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'The Beatles Are Coming' Again; Bonobos Face Extinction

Aired November 16, 2004 - 14:33   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: In the news now, Congress is back in action this week, trying to resolve legislation on reshaping the intelligence agencies. That comes in the wake of recommendations from the 9/11 Commission. This afternoon a number of 9/11 family members are on Capitol Hill pushing for final passage.
There has been a guilty plea in the Madrid train bombing trial. A 16-year-old boy admits to helping transport dynamite for the attack. He's getting six years in the juvenile detention center. The attack killed 191 people.

U.S. intelligence says it is likely the voice of Abu Musab al- Zarqawi on that recent audiotape that was posted on an Islamic Web site telling insurgents in Iraq to keep on fighting.

HARRIS: Big, big changes in the Bush administration with the nomination of a new secretary of state by President Bush. Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport has been taking the pulse of the public on that and more, and he has got the latest from Princeton, New Jersey.

Hi, Frank.

FRANK NEWPORT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, GALLUP POLL: Hello, Tony. Indeed, Condoleeza Rice has a hard role to follow with the outgoing secretary of state, Colin Powell. Let me show you in context over the years, we've asked a lot of people about a lot of people. Favorable, unfavorable opinions. Colin Powell is right up there at the top.

We tried to find others in that range, and here's the top five that we can find in our Gallup archives. Look at that, Colin Powell right up there with Tiger Woods, high favorable ratings, with Bush right after 9/11, with the pope, and with Chicago Cubs hitter Sammy Sosa back in 1998. That just shows you how well-regarded Powell was.

Now let's look at Condoleeza Rice. Dr. Rice will be stepping into Powell's shoes, as I mentioned. Here's the trends. Notice her favorables have been all right in the 50 percent range going back to 2003. Her unfavorables have actually gone up, part of that probably was concomitant with her publicity and testimony on the 9/11 committee hearings.

On the right hand side, 59 favorable, 24 unfavorable in our last readings, not up there in the range at all of Colin Powell. Break it out by party. Unlike Powell, who had a high rating across all party identifications, that is Republicans, independents and Democrats, Dr. Rice does have a more political profile to her. Notice that among Republicans, 86 percent favorable, independents more mixed, and same thing for Democrats. Again, Colin Powell had high favorables across all party identification. So Condoleeza Rice at this point not going into her job with nearly the high ratings that her predecessor, Colin Powell, had.

HARRIS: I see. OK. Frank, you know, we're starting to see some new ads calling for a change to the Constitution to allow foreign-born citizens like Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president. Is that something the public would support?

NEWPORT: No, in a shorthand. Now, maybe these ads are going to make a difference, but the last time we asked about it, it was 70 to 28 Americans said, leave the Constitution along. And remember, you have got to get three-quarters of the state legislatures plus two- thirds of the Congress and Senate to pass it if this is going to be an amendment. So it looks like to us if these institutions follow public opinion, it's not going to happen any time soon -- Tony.

HARRIS: Frank Newport, good to see you, thank you, sir.

Kyra.

PHILLIPS: In news across America, the NASA scramjet is ready to scramble. The unmanned hypersonic jet is set for a final test flight later today in California after yesterday's flight was scrubbed. NASA hopes to crank it up to 10 times the speed of sound.

The right stuff was torn down on the shores of Lake Michigan. A beat up beach house designed by famed architect Frank Lloyd Wright was demolished to make way for a new home. Conservation group heard about it, a little too late. About 350 of Wright-designed homes still exist.

More architecture news. After a two-year facelift, the Museum of Modern Art is reopening in New York. The architect who redesigned it, Yoshio Taniguchi, compares it to pouring tea in a Japanese teacup. When you put the art inside, he says, the combination works well. Critics agree, giving it rave reviews.

HARRIS: Hunting for Ginger's replacement. Catch the latest on who will be boarding the SS Minnow for a new three-hour tour.

Now, how does a 10-year-old half eaten sandwich manage to net a $22,000 bid on eBay?

And it won't be long, yeah, yeah, yeah, until we tell you how you can hear the Beatles just like the kids back in the day.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: The date was February 7, 1964. We remember that well, don't we, Tony? The day American music and four lads from Liverpool would never be the same. The Beatles landed at New York's JFK airport to screaming fans and a media throng. Their manager Brian Epstein even said the band knew America would either make or break the Beatles as world stars.

Today the Beatles are set to conquer the continent again. Capitol Records is releasing a box set of the original American edition of the first four Beatles albums, and even the most ardent Beatles fan will hear some new things. Beatles historian and author of "The Beatles Are Coming," Bruce Spizer joins me from New York to rock and roll through this new release.

Good to see you, Bruce.

Try not to start dancing. Why is this a big deal?

BRUCE SPIZER, AUTHOR, "THE BEATLES ARE COMING": These are the albums Americans grew up with and the things we remember. The British albums didn't have the 45 hit singles on them, whereas Capital to market the Beatles in America put the hit singles on it, songs like, "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" which weren't on those British albums or on albums like "Meet the Beatles" and the Beatles' second album.

PHILLIPS: Now, to give fans a difference and to explain what we're talking about here, 32 songs in stereo for the first time. Let's take a listen to "Things We Said Today."

All right, so listening to this, why should this make us appreciate the abilities of the fab four even more?

SPIZER: When the British catalog came out in 1987, the first albums were only in mono. Whereas when we hear a song like "Things We Said Today" in stereo, you can hear the brilliant harmonies by Paul and John, how beautiful they really are.

PHILLIPS: And there were some changes. Capitol Records added, deleted, emphasized here, did a little switchy changey. Let's take a listen to "Roll Over Beethoven."

Now, you said Capital actually gave a little extra echo in this version?

SPIZER: Yes, when they dubbed it from the original mixer, they punched it with extra echo on it to give it a more brighter sound, more energetic, and thinking that this would be something Americans would appreciate. And, yes, admittedly it's a little bit hokey, but you know it's wonderful to hear it like this way again.

PHILLIPS: Interesting. You say something Americans would appreciate. Do you think, though, when you look at the package this comes in that it gives the American perspective or is it more the British perspective?

SPIZER: I think because they use the original Capital masters from a sound standpoint, it's right on target. This is the albums that we all grew up with and loved. I think the great thing about it, when I sat down and listened to these CDs, I really felt that it was like I had gotten together with a group of old friends I hadn't heard from in a while. The running order of the songs was what I was used to and the bright sound of everything. They did a fabulous job in mastering these CDs.

PHILLIPS: And, you know, when you listen to the songs before hearing them, obviously like this, you remember these songs a certain way. Do you think the Beatles wanted -- would want everyone to hear the songs this way?

SPIZER: Well, I think this was not what they intended, but what you have to realize is America was their biggest market, and still is, and the way that "I Want To Hold Your Hand" was added to the album "Meet the Beatles" helped sell that album, and at the time, rock albums only sold 200,000 or 300,000 units but "Meet the Beatles" sold 3.6 million units in just two month's time. So obviously Capital was doing something right.

PHILLIPS: And within this box set too, there are a lot of quotes and sort of personal comments from the Beatles. Paul McCartney saying, yes, it's pretty funny, I remember when dads were telling their kids, oh, they're just weird guys wearing wigs. You sort of get this human insight into the Beatles that maybe we haven't had...

SPIZER: It was a very innocent time, and I think the book was great. It had wonderful pictures and images from the timeframe, a good essay by Mark Lewis who is a leading Beatles expert, and it's a very good package. And to complement it, I wrote an essay for -- which is from an American perspective, which I have on my website, www.Beatle.net. That gives -- it's from an American slant. The package is superb, and the music is superb. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't view this as a cause for celebration hearing these albums again on CD.

PHILLIPS: You've probably been asked this a million times, but why do you think that even kids that are 12, 13 love the Beatles?

SPIZER: It's the quality of the music. I know that sounds like a silly trite answer, but it's so true, and because of the outstanding song-writing abilities of John and Paul and later on George. These are classics songs. We're talking about it 40 years later, and 40 years from now hopefully we'll still be around talking about it some more.

PHILLIPS: I have no doubt that we will be. Bruce Spizer. Go get it if you haven't gotten it. It's the new release, "The Beatles, the Capital Album's Volume I." I know there's a Volume II headed our way also. Bruce, thanks.

SPIZER: Thanks. Glad to be here.

HARRIS: Giving a whole new meaning to Motor City. We've got the top cities where you will want to watch your wheels. Plus, why is someone willing to pay $22,000 for grilled cheese sandwich? Now, that's a LIVE FROM story.

JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Jeff Koinange in the Democrat Republic of Congo. Coming up we meet our closest cousins deep in the African bush. That's all next on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: OK, we've got to blame it on something, so we'll just blame it on the sunny...

PHILLIPS: Blame it on me.

HARRIS: On the sunny weather because California is stolen car central.

PHILLIPS: Not fun. I remember back in college, my ride, my hooptie getting stolen.

HARRIS: Your hooptie.

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

HARRIS: The most human-like great apes are close to vanishing from the Earth.

CNN's Jeff Koinange reports now from Congo.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KOINANGE (voice-over): They are survivors of a dying specious. Kicongo (ph) and Kisengani (ph) and Kasongo (ph) are bonobos, a member of the ape family found only in the dense forests of the Congo. They are orphans. Their parents killed for meat amid a brutal human civil war that has cost not only millions of human lives, but also countless bonobos.

Until they are 8 years old, the young require almost constant parental attention. They survive in the sanctuary only because their closest relatives are taking care of them. Traumatized by their experiences in the bush, these young bonobos are initially wary of our camera equipment.

It doesn't take long for them to adjust.

(on camera): Very much like chimps and gorillas, the bonobos are said to be extremely intelligent.

(voice-over): In fact, scientists say their genes are very similar to humans. Claudine Andre (ph) has made it her mission to be stepmother to the bonobos. She first arrived in the Congo more than 40 years ago from Belgium. This mother of five now grown children says she's passionate about saving the next generation of bonobos.

CLAUDINE ANDRE, SANCTUARY DES BONOBOS: Deep in my heart I know we already lost the battle. This makes me sad, but I think we have to try. If we don't try, who will try?

KOINANGE: She tries by making regular trips to the meat market, and with the help of Congolese officials, she confiscates chained bonobos about to be sold alongside other exotic meats.

ANDRE: But bush meat, it is very popular. It's a job now all over central Africa. And strangely, this meat is very expensive for the people. But it's a new phenomenon.

KOINANGE: Andre has plowed her savings into buying this modest farm as a sanctuary. From sympathetic donors she gets some help to cover the $100,000 a year operational costs. She says she's managed to save 38 bonobos so far, but she warns there may not be too many more still alive in the bush.

ANDRE: Perhaps we will have some good surprise. But I don't know. I'm not sure.

KOINANGE (on camera): Not optimistic.

ANDRE: No. I'm very afraid for this species.

KOINANGE (voice-over): Studying bonobo behavior she says may provide important clues to why humans can be so violent and why these great apes are not.

ANDRE: We have two things very important. You have no propriety of territory. And you have no propriety -- sexual propriety. So it's two important reasons to have no conflict in a group.

KOINANGE: Andre says her next steps are to try to breed the species and eventually release some back into the wild. But that will all depend on the safety and security of a country that has known little but human violence for nearly four decades.

Jeff Koinange, CNN, Lolayabonobo Sanctuary, Congo.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Passionate little animals there. Bonobo sanctuary in the Congo is seeking donations and members. If you would like to help the cause, here's the e-mail. Check out the Web site, too, it's pretty cool.

HARRIS: Save them. Do your part, right?

PHILLIPS: They're so cute.

HARRIS: Right, aren't they cute?

PHILLIPS: All right, in the next hour of LIVE FROM, more on the nomination of Condoleeza Rice for secretary of state.

HARRIS: And sorry, Condi, a grilled cheese sandwich featuring the face of the Virgin Mary, believe it or not, the owner of the saintly sandwich speaks. LIVE FROM's half hour of power coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Grim news regarding Margaret Hassan, the director of CARE International in Iraq apparently has been killed by her captors. She was kidnapped in Baghdad last month. Al Jazeera says it has a videotape of her execution. And the British embassy in Baghdad says it is probably genuine.

New York State's attorney general says the federal government may need to get involved in setting basic standards of accountability in the insurance industry. Eliot Spitzer told a Senate subcommittee that some state regulators are not aggressive enough and he questioned the industry's traditional exemption from federal and state antitrust laws. Spitzer recently investigated bid rigging in the insurance field.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is resigning. The former U.S. Navy officer has closely managed the department's day to day operations. Diplomats and lawmakers respected his candor. Armitage is considered strongly loyal to Colin Powell and he was expected to leave with him.

TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com


Aired November 16, 2004 - 14:33   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: In the news now, Congress is back in action this week, trying to resolve legislation on reshaping the intelligence agencies. That comes in the wake of recommendations from the 9/11 Commission. This afternoon a number of 9/11 family members are on Capitol Hill pushing for final passage.
There has been a guilty plea in the Madrid train bombing trial. A 16-year-old boy admits to helping transport dynamite for the attack. He's getting six years in the juvenile detention center. The attack killed 191 people.

U.S. intelligence says it is likely the voice of Abu Musab al- Zarqawi on that recent audiotape that was posted on an Islamic Web site telling insurgents in Iraq to keep on fighting.

HARRIS: Big, big changes in the Bush administration with the nomination of a new secretary of state by President Bush. Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport has been taking the pulse of the public on that and more, and he has got the latest from Princeton, New Jersey.

Hi, Frank.

FRANK NEWPORT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, GALLUP POLL: Hello, Tony. Indeed, Condoleeza Rice has a hard role to follow with the outgoing secretary of state, Colin Powell. Let me show you in context over the years, we've asked a lot of people about a lot of people. Favorable, unfavorable opinions. Colin Powell is right up there at the top.

We tried to find others in that range, and here's the top five that we can find in our Gallup archives. Look at that, Colin Powell right up there with Tiger Woods, high favorable ratings, with Bush right after 9/11, with the pope, and with Chicago Cubs hitter Sammy Sosa back in 1998. That just shows you how well-regarded Powell was.

Now let's look at Condoleeza Rice. Dr. Rice will be stepping into Powell's shoes, as I mentioned. Here's the trends. Notice her favorables have been all right in the 50 percent range going back to 2003. Her unfavorables have actually gone up, part of that probably was concomitant with her publicity and testimony on the 9/11 committee hearings.

On the right hand side, 59 favorable, 24 unfavorable in our last readings, not up there in the range at all of Colin Powell. Break it out by party. Unlike Powell, who had a high rating across all party identifications, that is Republicans, independents and Democrats, Dr. Rice does have a more political profile to her. Notice that among Republicans, 86 percent favorable, independents more mixed, and same thing for Democrats. Again, Colin Powell had high favorables across all party identification. So Condoleeza Rice at this point not going into her job with nearly the high ratings that her predecessor, Colin Powell, had.

HARRIS: I see. OK. Frank, you know, we're starting to see some new ads calling for a change to the Constitution to allow foreign-born citizens like Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president. Is that something the public would support?

NEWPORT: No, in a shorthand. Now, maybe these ads are going to make a difference, but the last time we asked about it, it was 70 to 28 Americans said, leave the Constitution along. And remember, you have got to get three-quarters of the state legislatures plus two- thirds of the Congress and Senate to pass it if this is going to be an amendment. So it looks like to us if these institutions follow public opinion, it's not going to happen any time soon -- Tony.

HARRIS: Frank Newport, good to see you, thank you, sir.

Kyra.

PHILLIPS: In news across America, the NASA scramjet is ready to scramble. The unmanned hypersonic jet is set for a final test flight later today in California after yesterday's flight was scrubbed. NASA hopes to crank it up to 10 times the speed of sound.

The right stuff was torn down on the shores of Lake Michigan. A beat up beach house designed by famed architect Frank Lloyd Wright was demolished to make way for a new home. Conservation group heard about it, a little too late. About 350 of Wright-designed homes still exist.

More architecture news. After a two-year facelift, the Museum of Modern Art is reopening in New York. The architect who redesigned it, Yoshio Taniguchi, compares it to pouring tea in a Japanese teacup. When you put the art inside, he says, the combination works well. Critics agree, giving it rave reviews.

HARRIS: Hunting for Ginger's replacement. Catch the latest on who will be boarding the SS Minnow for a new three-hour tour.

Now, how does a 10-year-old half eaten sandwich manage to net a $22,000 bid on eBay?

And it won't be long, yeah, yeah, yeah, until we tell you how you can hear the Beatles just like the kids back in the day.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: The date was February 7, 1964. We remember that well, don't we, Tony? The day American music and four lads from Liverpool would never be the same. The Beatles landed at New York's JFK airport to screaming fans and a media throng. Their manager Brian Epstein even said the band knew America would either make or break the Beatles as world stars.

Today the Beatles are set to conquer the continent again. Capitol Records is releasing a box set of the original American edition of the first four Beatles albums, and even the most ardent Beatles fan will hear some new things. Beatles historian and author of "The Beatles Are Coming," Bruce Spizer joins me from New York to rock and roll through this new release.

Good to see you, Bruce.

Try not to start dancing. Why is this a big deal?

BRUCE SPIZER, AUTHOR, "THE BEATLES ARE COMING": These are the albums Americans grew up with and the things we remember. The British albums didn't have the 45 hit singles on them, whereas Capital to market the Beatles in America put the hit singles on it, songs like, "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" which weren't on those British albums or on albums like "Meet the Beatles" and the Beatles' second album.

PHILLIPS: Now, to give fans a difference and to explain what we're talking about here, 32 songs in stereo for the first time. Let's take a listen to "Things We Said Today."

All right, so listening to this, why should this make us appreciate the abilities of the fab four even more?

SPIZER: When the British catalog came out in 1987, the first albums were only in mono. Whereas when we hear a song like "Things We Said Today" in stereo, you can hear the brilliant harmonies by Paul and John, how beautiful they really are.

PHILLIPS: And there were some changes. Capitol Records added, deleted, emphasized here, did a little switchy changey. Let's take a listen to "Roll Over Beethoven."

Now, you said Capital actually gave a little extra echo in this version?

SPIZER: Yes, when they dubbed it from the original mixer, they punched it with extra echo on it to give it a more brighter sound, more energetic, and thinking that this would be something Americans would appreciate. And, yes, admittedly it's a little bit hokey, but you know it's wonderful to hear it like this way again.

PHILLIPS: Interesting. You say something Americans would appreciate. Do you think, though, when you look at the package this comes in that it gives the American perspective or is it more the British perspective?

SPIZER: I think because they use the original Capital masters from a sound standpoint, it's right on target. This is the albums that we all grew up with and loved. I think the great thing about it, when I sat down and listened to these CDs, I really felt that it was like I had gotten together with a group of old friends I hadn't heard from in a while. The running order of the songs was what I was used to and the bright sound of everything. They did a fabulous job in mastering these CDs.

PHILLIPS: And, you know, when you listen to the songs before hearing them, obviously like this, you remember these songs a certain way. Do you think the Beatles wanted -- would want everyone to hear the songs this way?

SPIZER: Well, I think this was not what they intended, but what you have to realize is America was their biggest market, and still is, and the way that "I Want To Hold Your Hand" was added to the album "Meet the Beatles" helped sell that album, and at the time, rock albums only sold 200,000 or 300,000 units but "Meet the Beatles" sold 3.6 million units in just two month's time. So obviously Capital was doing something right.

PHILLIPS: And within this box set too, there are a lot of quotes and sort of personal comments from the Beatles. Paul McCartney saying, yes, it's pretty funny, I remember when dads were telling their kids, oh, they're just weird guys wearing wigs. You sort of get this human insight into the Beatles that maybe we haven't had...

SPIZER: It was a very innocent time, and I think the book was great. It had wonderful pictures and images from the timeframe, a good essay by Mark Lewis who is a leading Beatles expert, and it's a very good package. And to complement it, I wrote an essay for -- which is from an American perspective, which I have on my website, www.Beatle.net. That gives -- it's from an American slant. The package is superb, and the music is superb. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't view this as a cause for celebration hearing these albums again on CD.

PHILLIPS: You've probably been asked this a million times, but why do you think that even kids that are 12, 13 love the Beatles?

SPIZER: It's the quality of the music. I know that sounds like a silly trite answer, but it's so true, and because of the outstanding song-writing abilities of John and Paul and later on George. These are classics songs. We're talking about it 40 years later, and 40 years from now hopefully we'll still be around talking about it some more.

PHILLIPS: I have no doubt that we will be. Bruce Spizer. Go get it if you haven't gotten it. It's the new release, "The Beatles, the Capital Album's Volume I." I know there's a Volume II headed our way also. Bruce, thanks.

SPIZER: Thanks. Glad to be here.

HARRIS: Giving a whole new meaning to Motor City. We've got the top cities where you will want to watch your wheels. Plus, why is someone willing to pay $22,000 for grilled cheese sandwich? Now, that's a LIVE FROM story.

JEFF KOINANGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Jeff Koinange in the Democrat Republic of Congo. Coming up we meet our closest cousins deep in the African bush. That's all next on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: OK, we've got to blame it on something, so we'll just blame it on the sunny...

PHILLIPS: Blame it on me.

HARRIS: On the sunny weather because California is stolen car central.

PHILLIPS: Not fun. I remember back in college, my ride, my hooptie getting stolen.

HARRIS: Your hooptie.

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

HARRIS: The most human-like great apes are close to vanishing from the Earth.

CNN's Jeff Koinange reports now from Congo.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KOINANGE (voice-over): They are survivors of a dying specious. Kicongo (ph) and Kisengani (ph) and Kasongo (ph) are bonobos, a member of the ape family found only in the dense forests of the Congo. They are orphans. Their parents killed for meat amid a brutal human civil war that has cost not only millions of human lives, but also countless bonobos.

Until they are 8 years old, the young require almost constant parental attention. They survive in the sanctuary only because their closest relatives are taking care of them. Traumatized by their experiences in the bush, these young bonobos are initially wary of our camera equipment.

It doesn't take long for them to adjust.

(on camera): Very much like chimps and gorillas, the bonobos are said to be extremely intelligent.

(voice-over): In fact, scientists say their genes are very similar to humans. Claudine Andre (ph) has made it her mission to be stepmother to the bonobos. She first arrived in the Congo more than 40 years ago from Belgium. This mother of five now grown children says she's passionate about saving the next generation of bonobos.

CLAUDINE ANDRE, SANCTUARY DES BONOBOS: Deep in my heart I know we already lost the battle. This makes me sad, but I think we have to try. If we don't try, who will try?

KOINANGE: She tries by making regular trips to the meat market, and with the help of Congolese officials, she confiscates chained bonobos about to be sold alongside other exotic meats.

ANDRE: But bush meat, it is very popular. It's a job now all over central Africa. And strangely, this meat is very expensive for the people. But it's a new phenomenon.

KOINANGE: Andre has plowed her savings into buying this modest farm as a sanctuary. From sympathetic donors she gets some help to cover the $100,000 a year operational costs. She says she's managed to save 38 bonobos so far, but she warns there may not be too many more still alive in the bush.

ANDRE: Perhaps we will have some good surprise. But I don't know. I'm not sure.

KOINANGE (on camera): Not optimistic.

ANDRE: No. I'm very afraid for this species.

KOINANGE (voice-over): Studying bonobo behavior she says may provide important clues to why humans can be so violent and why these great apes are not.

ANDRE: We have two things very important. You have no propriety of territory. And you have no propriety -- sexual propriety. So it's two important reasons to have no conflict in a group.

KOINANGE: Andre says her next steps are to try to breed the species and eventually release some back into the wild. But that will all depend on the safety and security of a country that has known little but human violence for nearly four decades.

Jeff Koinange, CNN, Lolayabonobo Sanctuary, Congo.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Passionate little animals there. Bonobo sanctuary in the Congo is seeking donations and members. If you would like to help the cause, here's the e-mail. Check out the Web site, too, it's pretty cool.

HARRIS: Save them. Do your part, right?

PHILLIPS: They're so cute.

HARRIS: Right, aren't they cute?

PHILLIPS: All right, in the next hour of LIVE FROM, more on the nomination of Condoleeza Rice for secretary of state.

HARRIS: And sorry, Condi, a grilled cheese sandwich featuring the face of the Virgin Mary, believe it or not, the owner of the saintly sandwich speaks. LIVE FROM's half hour of power coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Grim news regarding Margaret Hassan, the director of CARE International in Iraq apparently has been killed by her captors. She was kidnapped in Baghdad last month. Al Jazeera says it has a videotape of her execution. And the British embassy in Baghdad says it is probably genuine.

New York State's attorney general says the federal government may need to get involved in setting basic standards of accountability in the insurance industry. Eliot Spitzer told a Senate subcommittee that some state regulators are not aggressive enough and he questioned the industry's traditional exemption from federal and state antitrust laws. Spitzer recently investigated bid rigging in the insurance field.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is resigning. The former U.S. Navy officer has closely managed the department's day to day operations. Diplomats and lawmakers respected his candor. Armitage is considered strongly loyal to Colin Powell and he was expected to leave with him.

TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com