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Michael Jackson and Judicial Wheels Spin Again Today Ahead of Jury Selection; Mosul Continues to be a City on Edge

Aired January 21, 2005 - 01:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now in the news, fighting the fire from within. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas puts 2,000 security forces around northern Gaza today. His office says it is a move to stop militant rocket and mortar attacks aimed at Israel. Abbas continues to pressure Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups, arguing that Israel will not pull out of Gaza while under attack.
Iraq's insurgency claims 14 more lives in its bloody campaign to squelch the elections that are just days away. This is the aftermath of a car bombing today near a Shiite mosque in southern Baghdad. At least 14 congregants died and 42 others were wounded as they gathered for the Muslim Feast of Sacrifice, which marks the end of pilgrimage, or hajj, to Mecca.

Also, just a few minutes ago the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission confirmed he is resigning. Michael Powell issued a statement saying he told President Bush he will depart in march. During four years at the FCC helm, Powell cracked down on Janet Jackson's breast and Howard Stern's mouth. On his show today, Stern said news of Powell's planned departure made it, quote, "a great day in broadcasting."

And Michael Jackson and the judicial wheels, they spin again today, ahead of jury selection for his child molestation trial. A judge today is hearing several requests from both sides of the case.

Covering the proceedings for us is Miguel Marquez in Santa Maria, California.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): The trial of Michael Jackson still expected to get under way January 31st. Mr. Jackson is expected to be here. That would be jury selection, and that's expected to take between three and four weeks, and then the actual trial will get under way, and that's supposed to take several more months.

Today, we'll hear a prosecution motion. Prosecutors want experts to testify during the trial of Mr. Jackson on child abuse trauma and what they say are misconceptions to how children react to having been molested. Those misconceptions, they say, is that children will often disclose all the information about the molestation to friends or to family, and that the children who are molested don't still love the person who molested them. They talk a lot in court documents about the grooming process that occurs in child-molestation cases.

We'll also hear about Mr. Jackson's personal assistant's office. It was searched last September, and Mr. Jackson's attorneys want a file, a single file that was labeled Mesereau, for Thomas Mesereau Jr., Mr. Jackson's attorney, they want that file to be kept under attorney-client privilege and kept from prosecutors.

We'll also hear questions of the jury questionnaire today. They want to settle what that questionnaire will look like, what will be in that questionnaire, what will be asked of the jurors, and they also want to discuss procedures for the jury selection process. The process is expected to take three, maybe four weeks, and then the trial of Michael Jackson will get under way.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The war in Iraq is looming large in the president's second term, just as it did in the first. With just nine days left until the Iraqi election, the violence continues. An ambulance drove into a wedding party south of Baghdad. Police say the crash killed several people. Meanwhile, the Iraqi who was famous before the start of the war, and then became infamous afterwards, is speaking out about the election, Ahmad Chalabi, who provided some of the faulty intelligence that lead to war, is now running for office in Iraq. He tells CNN's Christiane Amanpour he wants U.S. troops to stay in the country, with conditions.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AHMAD CHALABI, UNITED IRAQI ALLIANCE: No. We're not call fog withdrawal of American forces. The people are angry. They people are upset about the presence of American forces. But we believe that if the American forces are regulated by a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government, then their situation in the minds of the people will improve considerably, because they will not be in your face. They will not be present at street corners. They will not be compelled to shoot people, because the American forces now believe, feel that almost everybody they come in contact with is potentially hostile.

So there is this tension, this tension between the Iraqi people and American forces which we need to diffuse.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: In the meantime, Mosul continues to be a city on edge. For the second day, insurgents are shelling a hospital where U.S. and Iraqi forces have taken up positions, but the city is also getting ready for the upcoming elections.

CNN's Nic Robertson joins us now form Mosul, via videophone, with details of the security preparation -- Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Tony, there have been more U.S. troops brought in to Mosul, as well as more Iraqi forces. The plan is that on the day and the two days before the elections, there will be no vehicular traffic allow in Mosul. The plan is that the U.S. troops will essentially potentially provide a level of security that won't be seen by Iraqis, and that the Iraqis will see around the polling stations, the Iraqi forces, the Iraqi National Guard and other Iraqi forces. There have been -- there's been a huge effort in the last few weeks, and really stepped up in the last week or so, a real campaign to convince Iraqis that on the day of the election, that it will be safe to come out to vote.

Iraqis I've talked to have said that they do want to vote. One Iraqi man told me 85 percent of people in Mosul did want to vote. But almost all people I've talked to say the security is their biggest concern. U.S. officials and Iraqi officials have been going to telephone radio call-in shows to try to get the message out to the people, that it will be safe vote. They've been going to mosque to talk with the preachers at the mosque, the imams, to convince them to convince the prayergoers there that they should come and vote.

And also there's a huge effort under way to replace the electoral commission, the 700 people who resigned here just a few weeks ago, because of intimidations, to replace them to get the electoral officials back in place so that elections can be held, so that there will be people at the polling stations, so that the ballot papers will be sorted out and delivered to the right polling stations. Everyone we're talking to is saying that the elections will go ahead. However, all the officials also say that there still is, and they do expect very realistic possibility of violence come the day of the elections -- Tony.

HARRIS: Nic, there just still seems to be so much to do. For example, do we have ballots? Do we have ballot boxes, do we have voter roles, do we have polling places yet?

ROBERTSON: Polling places have yet to be announced. That's because of concerns -- of security concerns. Voter registration, some of that has been put in place. Very little of it has actually happened in Mosul, because of the intimidation by insurgents against the population. People will be able to turn up on the day of elections and register, once they show up to a polling station. Ballot papers, balloting boxes, the cardboard stands that will form those small booths that they go into, have all begun to arrive. They've been stored under a very high level of security. Just a month or so ago, insurgents managed to burn down a warehouse containing election material then, so that this new material has been placed under very, very tight security.

The operation to get that out to the polling station, to get the people who can help run the elections is really very much up against this short time space. There's a huge pressure on those few election officials who are actually in place so far. The emphasis really here, Tony, is a lot of work yet to be done, with the expectation it will happen.

HARRIS: OK, Nic Robertson in Mosul. Nic, we appreciate it. Thank you. NGUYEN: And you're going to want to hang on for a real nail biter as our new year, "New You Revolution" continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Let's go off-topic for a minute -- actually a couple of minutes, with one desperate housewife, one world changer and one beefed up governor.

It can only mean Carlos Watson is back this weekend with another installment of "Off Topic." Carlos is here with us. Carlos, where are you? You were in Chicago the other day, you (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Where are you today?

CARLOS WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, I'm earning my frequent flier miles. I'm in New York, New York City, the big apple.

HARRIS: Wherever. It's good to see you, my friend.

WATSON: Good to see you.

HARRIS: Eva Longoria. Let's start with the beauty, why not? You know, she's having this tremendous success with this "Desperate Housewives" show. And I guess I'm the only one on the planet who hasn't seen it. Where did she come from? She seems to have appeared, thankfully. Did she have much of a career before this show?

WATSON: She did, actually. She's been in acting for six or seven years, was on the "The Young and the Restless," was on "L.A. Dragnet," which was a short-lived primetime show. But really, if you think about primetime television, she's a new face and she's arguably the hottest new face on primetime television this year.

HARRIS: Yes, you make a good point there. Does she understand -- the ratings for this show, they just keep going up. The thing isn't falling off at all. Does she understand why this show is so hot?

WATSON: You know what's so interesting -- she thinks, in part, because network TV, in particular, hasn't had that kind of "Sex and the City" show yet and what they're offering is really kind of new television, if you will, for network TV. She thinks that's part of it.

The other very interesting thing is that a lot of the women who star in this, in contrast to, say, "Sex and the City" are in their 40s, as opposed to their 30s. And they think that's offering a broader audience. That these are married women in their 40s and in the suburbs instead of single women in their 30s in the city.

HARRIS: Eva Longoria actually said to you that there was a time when she was considered an ugly duckling?

WATSON: Can you believe that? What a great -- not only that, check this out, Tony. What book is she reading right now?

HARRIS: What was she reading?

WATSON: And remember, she's on the cover of "Maxim, on the cover of "Rolling Stone."

HARRIS: She's on the cover of "Maxim"?

WATSON: The cover of "Maxim." "TV Guide." And what is she is reading. She's reading "He's Just Not That Into You."

HARRIS: Oh, come on!

WATSON: No. She's reading it. So she's a really interesting woman. Making documentary films in addition to acting.

HARRIS: Really?

WATSON: Also, by the way, has been involved in presidential campaigns since high school. Began working on presidential campaigns early on and wouldn't dismiss the idea that she might run for office herself one day.

HARRIS: Whoa. Let's talk about Creflo Dollar. You feature him in the show "Off Topic" this Sunday night. He is the leader of a huge church conglomerate. Describe that for us.

WATSON: You know, Tony, there's a phrase that a lot of people are beginning to use called the mega church. It means that instead of churches having 200 or maybe 2,000 parishioners, they might have 20,000. And Creflo Dollar's church, the World Changers Church, is based in Atlanta but operates around the world, is one such church, one of the largest.

It's an $80 million a year operation, larger than most corporations, if you think, and most businesses in the U.S. But at the same time, in at least the case of Creflo Dollar, he strictly hews to the biblical line, strict Christianity. But at the same time, you might see him appear in a Ludacris video. In fact, I think we may have an interesting clip where you hear him talk about one of the controversies that surrounds how and other churches think about money.

HARRIS: Let's listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WATSON (on camera): Given the importance you just placed on social gospel, why do you have a Rolls Royce? Why do you have a private plane?

REV. CREFLO DOLLAR, WORLD CHANGERS CHURCH, INTL: First of all, I would never spend that amount of money for a Rolls Royce. But when you take a group of people, and I'm speaking of this local church, and 25,000 came together and said we want our pastor to ride in this car, and it was a pastor's appreciation gift, then you receive that gift. And I don't know anybody would turn that type of a gift down.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARRIS: Well, I don't know, Carlos.

WATSON: You know, there's more to that conversation. Remember, this is a pastor who has a very active social gospel, meaning lots of mentoring, lots of work with children, lots of work with homeless and others. But this is also a real part of the controversy, how the church relates to money. So you'll see a lot of this, as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger, this Sunday at 10 p.m. Eastern.

HARRIS: Good to see you, my friend.

WATSON: Good to join you.

HARRIS: All right. See you next time, Carlos.

WATSON: Have a great weekend.

HARRIS: Have a great weekend. OK, you too.

NGUYEN: That's some good stuff. Looking forward to that. Well, all week long, our Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been rolling his "New You Revolution." He's introduced us to five people who want to live healthier lives in 2005. And today we are going to meet our final participant. It is someone with a different bad habit and that is biting those nails.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Jonathan Karp has a habit that's shared by many, but rarely talked about. He's been biting his nails as long as he can remember and now he hopes being part of the "New You Revolution" will finally enable him to stop.

GUPTA (voice over): Meet Jonathan Karp.

JONATHAN KARP, NEW YOU REVOLUTION PARTICIPANT: Looking to follow up with you ...

GUPTA: A typical workday for Jonathan Karp looks a little something like this. A few cold calls, a quick glance at his lovely bride-to-be. More calls. And for lunch? A quick nibble on his nails.

KARP: Could be up to like 40 to 50 percent of the day. My hand would be in my mouth. Then I'd go through all kinds of fingers like enjoy them.

GUPTA: Sounds like a funny habit. Who doesn't know a nail biter?

KARP: It is kind of like, oh, I bite my nails. And then I'll be like, yeah are they this bad? And they're like -- ooh, no. You win. So it's like, if that were a competition or that were in the Olympics, I'd get a gold every time.

GUPTA: Except is it not a competition, it is a serious habit. Jonathan's nail biting puts him at high risk for infection. A lifetime of biting could have damaged his nail bed for good. And 28 years later Jonathan looks back to see this one habit consuming him almost every day since he was a kid.

KARP: The hardest part is when you're consciously saying I need to quit. And what happens is you start feeling these like little prickly spots.

GUPTA: The prickly, the nagging, the biting often happens in secret, at home when no one's looking, or in traffic on the way home.

KARP: I don't want to bite it, but I don't want to bite it.

(LAUGHTER)

I keep putzing with it.

GUPTA: While it all seems like a joke, make no mistake, those nails are getting in the way of his day-to-day life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm always just yelling at him about it.

GUPTA: His "New You" goal, to curb the nail nibbling before his wedding later this year.

KARP: Nice nails, and right at the tip, just that perfect white. If I see that, it is just like filet mignon.

(LAUGHTER)

GUPTA (on camera): The gold medalist of nail biting he calls himself.

Well, to help you break this bad habit, we've consulted a psychologist and other therapists as well. Here's their prescription for a new you.

KARP: You see me biting, just smack my hand right out of my face. That can get violent.

GUPTA: You've tried everything to stop. Hot sauce on your nails, bribery, even getting a slap on the hand. It is time for some new tactics. First a psychologist will help you explore your habit. Step one, self-monitoring.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Save whatever he bites off, even if it's just skin and cuticle.

GUPTA: It may be the key to figuring out when and why you're prone to biting.

Step two, relaxation training. Acupuncture, meditation, even hypnosis. Two steps in eight weeks could mean a new you and a new set of nails.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, for "The New You Revolution."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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NGUYEN: We are 25 this year, the Cable News Network, brainchild of Ted Turner was modestly launched back in 1980 right here in Atlanta, and look at us now.

HARRIS: Who would have thunk it. During this, our silver anniversary year, we're revisiting the people and events on our timeline that helped shape history. Today it's former independent counsel Ken Starr, then and now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

KEN STARR: I do.

UNIDENTIFIED CORRESPONDENT: Special prosecutor Ken Starr spent five years and $50 million investigating President Clinton. What started out as a probe into the Whitewater land deal culminated in the 445-page Starr report, detailing a salacious relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and other allegations.

STARR: The president chose deception, a pattern of calculated behavior over a span of months.

UNIDENTIFIED CORRESPONDENT: President Clinton survived the results impeachment. Starr stepped into private life and out of the beltway. He and his wife, Alice, now live in Southern California. They have three children. Star is the dean of the Pepperdine University Law School and practices law in L.A. Starr says very little about the Clinton investigation, but in a recent interview, he called it challenging times that made his faith deeper.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HARRIS: The Secret Service guard against bullets and brute force against the president.

NGUYEN: But we found the guy whose protect and defend against botulism and deliberate poisoning. We'll show you what is cooking behind the scenes to keep the president safe. LIVE FROM's hour of power begins after this.

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Aired January 21, 2005 - 01:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now in the news, fighting the fire from within. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas puts 2,000 security forces around northern Gaza today. His office says it is a move to stop militant rocket and mortar attacks aimed at Israel. Abbas continues to pressure Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups, arguing that Israel will not pull out of Gaza while under attack.
Iraq's insurgency claims 14 more lives in its bloody campaign to squelch the elections that are just days away. This is the aftermath of a car bombing today near a Shiite mosque in southern Baghdad. At least 14 congregants died and 42 others were wounded as they gathered for the Muslim Feast of Sacrifice, which marks the end of pilgrimage, or hajj, to Mecca.

Also, just a few minutes ago the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission confirmed he is resigning. Michael Powell issued a statement saying he told President Bush he will depart in march. During four years at the FCC helm, Powell cracked down on Janet Jackson's breast and Howard Stern's mouth. On his show today, Stern said news of Powell's planned departure made it, quote, "a great day in broadcasting."

And Michael Jackson and the judicial wheels, they spin again today, ahead of jury selection for his child molestation trial. A judge today is hearing several requests from both sides of the case.

Covering the proceedings for us is Miguel Marquez in Santa Maria, California.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): The trial of Michael Jackson still expected to get under way January 31st. Mr. Jackson is expected to be here. That would be jury selection, and that's expected to take between three and four weeks, and then the actual trial will get under way, and that's supposed to take several more months.

Today, we'll hear a prosecution motion. Prosecutors want experts to testify during the trial of Mr. Jackson on child abuse trauma and what they say are misconceptions to how children react to having been molested. Those misconceptions, they say, is that children will often disclose all the information about the molestation to friends or to family, and that the children who are molested don't still love the person who molested them. They talk a lot in court documents about the grooming process that occurs in child-molestation cases.

We'll also hear about Mr. Jackson's personal assistant's office. It was searched last September, and Mr. Jackson's attorneys want a file, a single file that was labeled Mesereau, for Thomas Mesereau Jr., Mr. Jackson's attorney, they want that file to be kept under attorney-client privilege and kept from prosecutors.

We'll also hear questions of the jury questionnaire today. They want to settle what that questionnaire will look like, what will be in that questionnaire, what will be asked of the jurors, and they also want to discuss procedures for the jury selection process. The process is expected to take three, maybe four weeks, and then the trial of Michael Jackson will get under way.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The war in Iraq is looming large in the president's second term, just as it did in the first. With just nine days left until the Iraqi election, the violence continues. An ambulance drove into a wedding party south of Baghdad. Police say the crash killed several people. Meanwhile, the Iraqi who was famous before the start of the war, and then became infamous afterwards, is speaking out about the election, Ahmad Chalabi, who provided some of the faulty intelligence that lead to war, is now running for office in Iraq. He tells CNN's Christiane Amanpour he wants U.S. troops to stay in the country, with conditions.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AHMAD CHALABI, UNITED IRAQI ALLIANCE: No. We're not call fog withdrawal of American forces. The people are angry. They people are upset about the presence of American forces. But we believe that if the American forces are regulated by a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government, then their situation in the minds of the people will improve considerably, because they will not be in your face. They will not be present at street corners. They will not be compelled to shoot people, because the American forces now believe, feel that almost everybody they come in contact with is potentially hostile.

So there is this tension, this tension between the Iraqi people and American forces which we need to diffuse.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: In the meantime, Mosul continues to be a city on edge. For the second day, insurgents are shelling a hospital where U.S. and Iraqi forces have taken up positions, but the city is also getting ready for the upcoming elections.

CNN's Nic Robertson joins us now form Mosul, via videophone, with details of the security preparation -- Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Tony, there have been more U.S. troops brought in to Mosul, as well as more Iraqi forces. The plan is that on the day and the two days before the elections, there will be no vehicular traffic allow in Mosul. The plan is that the U.S. troops will essentially potentially provide a level of security that won't be seen by Iraqis, and that the Iraqis will see around the polling stations, the Iraqi forces, the Iraqi National Guard and other Iraqi forces. There have been -- there's been a huge effort in the last few weeks, and really stepped up in the last week or so, a real campaign to convince Iraqis that on the day of the election, that it will be safe to come out to vote.

Iraqis I've talked to have said that they do want to vote. One Iraqi man told me 85 percent of people in Mosul did want to vote. But almost all people I've talked to say the security is their biggest concern. U.S. officials and Iraqi officials have been going to telephone radio call-in shows to try to get the message out to the people, that it will be safe vote. They've been going to mosque to talk with the preachers at the mosque, the imams, to convince them to convince the prayergoers there that they should come and vote.

And also there's a huge effort under way to replace the electoral commission, the 700 people who resigned here just a few weeks ago, because of intimidations, to replace them to get the electoral officials back in place so that elections can be held, so that there will be people at the polling stations, so that the ballot papers will be sorted out and delivered to the right polling stations. Everyone we're talking to is saying that the elections will go ahead. However, all the officials also say that there still is, and they do expect very realistic possibility of violence come the day of the elections -- Tony.

HARRIS: Nic, there just still seems to be so much to do. For example, do we have ballots? Do we have ballot boxes, do we have voter roles, do we have polling places yet?

ROBERTSON: Polling places have yet to be announced. That's because of concerns -- of security concerns. Voter registration, some of that has been put in place. Very little of it has actually happened in Mosul, because of the intimidation by insurgents against the population. People will be able to turn up on the day of elections and register, once they show up to a polling station. Ballot papers, balloting boxes, the cardboard stands that will form those small booths that they go into, have all begun to arrive. They've been stored under a very high level of security. Just a month or so ago, insurgents managed to burn down a warehouse containing election material then, so that this new material has been placed under very, very tight security.

The operation to get that out to the polling station, to get the people who can help run the elections is really very much up against this short time space. There's a huge pressure on those few election officials who are actually in place so far. The emphasis really here, Tony, is a lot of work yet to be done, with the expectation it will happen.

HARRIS: OK, Nic Robertson in Mosul. Nic, we appreciate it. Thank you. NGUYEN: And you're going to want to hang on for a real nail biter as our new year, "New You Revolution" continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Let's go off-topic for a minute -- actually a couple of minutes, with one desperate housewife, one world changer and one beefed up governor.

It can only mean Carlos Watson is back this weekend with another installment of "Off Topic." Carlos is here with us. Carlos, where are you? You were in Chicago the other day, you (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Where are you today?

CARLOS WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, I'm earning my frequent flier miles. I'm in New York, New York City, the big apple.

HARRIS: Wherever. It's good to see you, my friend.

WATSON: Good to see you.

HARRIS: Eva Longoria. Let's start with the beauty, why not? You know, she's having this tremendous success with this "Desperate Housewives" show. And I guess I'm the only one on the planet who hasn't seen it. Where did she come from? She seems to have appeared, thankfully. Did she have much of a career before this show?

WATSON: She did, actually. She's been in acting for six or seven years, was on the "The Young and the Restless," was on "L.A. Dragnet," which was a short-lived primetime show. But really, if you think about primetime television, she's a new face and she's arguably the hottest new face on primetime television this year.

HARRIS: Yes, you make a good point there. Does she understand -- the ratings for this show, they just keep going up. The thing isn't falling off at all. Does she understand why this show is so hot?

WATSON: You know what's so interesting -- she thinks, in part, because network TV, in particular, hasn't had that kind of "Sex and the City" show yet and what they're offering is really kind of new television, if you will, for network TV. She thinks that's part of it.

The other very interesting thing is that a lot of the women who star in this, in contrast to, say, "Sex and the City" are in their 40s, as opposed to their 30s. And they think that's offering a broader audience. That these are married women in their 40s and in the suburbs instead of single women in their 30s in the city.

HARRIS: Eva Longoria actually said to you that there was a time when she was considered an ugly duckling?

WATSON: Can you believe that? What a great -- not only that, check this out, Tony. What book is she reading right now?

HARRIS: What was she reading?

WATSON: And remember, she's on the cover of "Maxim, on the cover of "Rolling Stone."

HARRIS: She's on the cover of "Maxim"?

WATSON: The cover of "Maxim." "TV Guide." And what is she is reading. She's reading "He's Just Not That Into You."

HARRIS: Oh, come on!

WATSON: No. She's reading it. So she's a really interesting woman. Making documentary films in addition to acting.

HARRIS: Really?

WATSON: Also, by the way, has been involved in presidential campaigns since high school. Began working on presidential campaigns early on and wouldn't dismiss the idea that she might run for office herself one day.

HARRIS: Whoa. Let's talk about Creflo Dollar. You feature him in the show "Off Topic" this Sunday night. He is the leader of a huge church conglomerate. Describe that for us.

WATSON: You know, Tony, there's a phrase that a lot of people are beginning to use called the mega church. It means that instead of churches having 200 or maybe 2,000 parishioners, they might have 20,000. And Creflo Dollar's church, the World Changers Church, is based in Atlanta but operates around the world, is one such church, one of the largest.

It's an $80 million a year operation, larger than most corporations, if you think, and most businesses in the U.S. But at the same time, in at least the case of Creflo Dollar, he strictly hews to the biblical line, strict Christianity. But at the same time, you might see him appear in a Ludacris video. In fact, I think we may have an interesting clip where you hear him talk about one of the controversies that surrounds how and other churches think about money.

HARRIS: Let's listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WATSON (on camera): Given the importance you just placed on social gospel, why do you have a Rolls Royce? Why do you have a private plane?

REV. CREFLO DOLLAR, WORLD CHANGERS CHURCH, INTL: First of all, I would never spend that amount of money for a Rolls Royce. But when you take a group of people, and I'm speaking of this local church, and 25,000 came together and said we want our pastor to ride in this car, and it was a pastor's appreciation gift, then you receive that gift. And I don't know anybody would turn that type of a gift down.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARRIS: Well, I don't know, Carlos.

WATSON: You know, there's more to that conversation. Remember, this is a pastor who has a very active social gospel, meaning lots of mentoring, lots of work with children, lots of work with homeless and others. But this is also a real part of the controversy, how the church relates to money. So you'll see a lot of this, as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger, this Sunday at 10 p.m. Eastern.

HARRIS: Good to see you, my friend.

WATSON: Good to join you.

HARRIS: All right. See you next time, Carlos.

WATSON: Have a great weekend.

HARRIS: Have a great weekend. OK, you too.

NGUYEN: That's some good stuff. Looking forward to that. Well, all week long, our Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been rolling his "New You Revolution." He's introduced us to five people who want to live healthier lives in 2005. And today we are going to meet our final participant. It is someone with a different bad habit and that is biting those nails.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Jonathan Karp has a habit that's shared by many, but rarely talked about. He's been biting his nails as long as he can remember and now he hopes being part of the "New You Revolution" will finally enable him to stop.

GUPTA (voice over): Meet Jonathan Karp.

JONATHAN KARP, NEW YOU REVOLUTION PARTICIPANT: Looking to follow up with you ...

GUPTA: A typical workday for Jonathan Karp looks a little something like this. A few cold calls, a quick glance at his lovely bride-to-be. More calls. And for lunch? A quick nibble on his nails.

KARP: Could be up to like 40 to 50 percent of the day. My hand would be in my mouth. Then I'd go through all kinds of fingers like enjoy them.

GUPTA: Sounds like a funny habit. Who doesn't know a nail biter?

KARP: It is kind of like, oh, I bite my nails. And then I'll be like, yeah are they this bad? And they're like -- ooh, no. You win. So it's like, if that were a competition or that were in the Olympics, I'd get a gold every time.

GUPTA: Except is it not a competition, it is a serious habit. Jonathan's nail biting puts him at high risk for infection. A lifetime of biting could have damaged his nail bed for good. And 28 years later Jonathan looks back to see this one habit consuming him almost every day since he was a kid.

KARP: The hardest part is when you're consciously saying I need to quit. And what happens is you start feeling these like little prickly spots.

GUPTA: The prickly, the nagging, the biting often happens in secret, at home when no one's looking, or in traffic on the way home.

KARP: I don't want to bite it, but I don't want to bite it.

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I keep putzing with it.

GUPTA: While it all seems like a joke, make no mistake, those nails are getting in the way of his day-to-day life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm always just yelling at him about it.

GUPTA: His "New You" goal, to curb the nail nibbling before his wedding later this year.

KARP: Nice nails, and right at the tip, just that perfect white. If I see that, it is just like filet mignon.

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GUPTA (on camera): The gold medalist of nail biting he calls himself.

Well, to help you break this bad habit, we've consulted a psychologist and other therapists as well. Here's their prescription for a new you.

KARP: You see me biting, just smack my hand right out of my face. That can get violent.

GUPTA: You've tried everything to stop. Hot sauce on your nails, bribery, even getting a slap on the hand. It is time for some new tactics. First a psychologist will help you explore your habit. Step one, self-monitoring.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Save whatever he bites off, even if it's just skin and cuticle.

GUPTA: It may be the key to figuring out when and why you're prone to biting.

Step two, relaxation training. Acupuncture, meditation, even hypnosis. Two steps in eight weeks could mean a new you and a new set of nails.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, for "The New You Revolution."

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