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Iraqi Expatriates Vote; The History of Paparazzi

Aired January 28, 2005 - 14:31   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: A federal appeals court has cleared the way for the execution of a serial killer in Connecticut. Michael Ross would be the first person executed in New England in 45 years. He says he wants to die, but the appeals court is giving his father one last chance to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to halt the execution. The arraignment of the man who police say caused Wednesday's deadly train crash in Glendale, California has been delayed.
11 people were killed, nearly 200 injured when that commuter train smashed into his SUV and then plowed into two other trains. Police say Juan Manuel Alvarez parked the cars in the tracks in an aborted attempt to commit suicide. He was in court today, but the arraignment was delayed for further medical evaluation.

A formal swearing in for nation's new Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the State Department this morning in a ceremonial event witnessed by President Bush. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg administered the oath of office. Rice is the 66th secretary of state, and the first black woman to hold that post.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, the Iraqi elections are our focus today. Literally people all around the world are voting today, Iraqi expatriates, as they begin the process in Iraq of elections free and fair elections, or so it is hoped, the first time in decades. Joining us now from New Carrolton, Maryland, the Iraqi ambassador to the United States, Shamir Shakir Sumadaie, who went New Carrolton because that's the closest place to vote from New York City. He joins us having just voted.

And, Mr. Ambassador, first of all, congratulations on being able to exercise that right. It must be a gratifying moment for you.

SAMIR SHAKIR SUMADAIE, IRAQI AMB. TO U.N.: Thank you. It's great, it's very exhilarating and very exciting. I've just voted, and I've got my finger to prove it.

O'BRIEN: I see that. And that is a bit of dye on the finger to be proud of.

What does this mean for Iraqis after so many decades under the oppressive rule of Saddam Hussein?

SUMADAIE: Well, we have fought for many, many years to get to this point. And I think for Iraq, it's a rebirth. It is -- it doesn't mean that we've now got full democracy, but this is the first important stepping stone towards full democracy, and we are all very proud and very happy. O'BRIEN: Proud and happy, and going to New Carrolton is a relatively safe trip from New York City.

SUMADAIE: Yes. Yes, indeed.

O'BRIEN: Many of your fellow countrymen and women in Iraq don't have that advantage. They will be perhaps voting under great duress, potentially the threat of violence there. How concerned are you that the outcome will be tainted by all of that?

SUMADAIE: Well, you are absolutely right. I made only a minor effort. I came today from New York. But the real heroes will be on Sunday in Iraq, who will be defying the terrorists and going to vote. There will be millions of them, and they are the real heroes.

And I think every Iraqi who will participate in the elections will be proud and will relay that later to his children and perhaps grandchildren, to say that he was one of those who defied the terrorists, and took the risk and helped to build the new Iraq.

O'BRIEN: The concern, of course, is mostly focused on the Sunnis, where, of course, the origin of a lost this violence is believed to be. How concerned are you that the Sunnis, essentially, will disenfranchise themselves from the process, and thus whatever outcome that occurs as we move to next week and beyond with the Sunnis not as participant just lays the groundwork for additional violence?

SUMADAIE: Well, I don't think the Sunnis have disenfranchises themselves. A lot of them do want to vote, but they have been intimidated and subjected to intolerable threats and risks by the terrorists. Sunnis, like others, will continue to contribute, and I think the majority of Sunnis, given the chance, will be part of this process, and we will see that in the future.

O'BRIEN: The Iraqi ambassador to the United Nations is Samir Shakir Sumadaie, who proudly has a stained forefinger today having voted for the first time in a real election many decades in or out of Iraq. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it.

SUMADAIE: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right, so where will those hotspots be? What happens in and amidst Baghdad in particular. There is a lot of concern, of course, about violence. That violence focused on many of those polling stations and on specific neighborhoods, particularly neighborhoods where there is strong Sunni influence.

Joining us to talk a little bit about that and sort of give us, literally, the lay of the land in and around Baghdad is Major General Don Shepperd, our military analyst, retired U.S. Air Force.

General Shepperd, Let's go to the map. I want to just get people down on the ground from high above space, down on the ground to the area of Baghdad we want to talk about. If we could go to that map, I'd like to zoom in on it, and first of all, want to take people to Sadr City. Let's zoom in. Tell us about Sadr City. This is clearly an area that will be a focus of a lot of attention on the part of Iraqi security forces, as well as the U.S. military.

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes, we're looking at downtown Baghdad, and we're looking at the eastern bank of the Tigris River in downtown Baghdad. This is the redoubt, if you will, of Muqtada Al Sadr, the cleric, the radical cleric from the Najaf area that we've heard so much about with his Mehdi army. It's an area of poor people, and there are going be to lots of attacks probably against these people, attempted attacks by the Sunnis to prevent them from voting and intimidate them.

O'BRIEN: All right, one area of focus. Let's go across the area to Katimiya (ph), another little neighborhood, not so little actually, a neighborhood that is a focus of attention as well.

SHEPPERD: Indeed, this is on the western bank of the Tigris River. It's north of the Green Zone in downtown Baghdad, but again a poor area, an area of Shia there, in proximity to the Sunni areas, and it's going to be an area of potential problem, probably a lost attacks will take place in this area to prevent the voting.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's move south, and we're going to go into the area that we say it frequently, but let's remind people what the Green Zone is all about here, why that is a focus of concern as well.

SHEPPERD: Yes, the Green Zone basically is this area right here. It's on the western bank of the Tigris River, inside the loop, and it's the area where we saw all of the bombing during the war, the former Republican Guard area. It's the area where the interim government has its ministries and stuff now, and again, it's connected by several bridges across -- key bridges across the river, across the Tigris River, and we can expect a lot of action, perhaps rocket and mortar attacks into this area during the voting.

O'BRIEN: And about the middle of our screen we take you right down this road is Haifah (ph) Street, and this is also an area that will be a focus potentially. Tell us about that.

SHEPPERD: Indeed. It's a large street that goes from the Green Zone. It runs parallel to the Tigris River, carries a lot of traffic, and basically what you can expect to see is attacks against the vehicular traffic in the area here, lots of traffic, pedestrian traffic. The traffic is going to be limited, because vehicles are banned, except for government vehicles, but you can expect attacks and action in this area just to disrupt and instill mayhem.

O'BRIEN: All right, now, we've been talking about some Sunni neighborhoods. Let's talk about a Shia neighborhood and why we would be concerned about this one.

SHEPPERD: Yes, there's a Shia neighborhood. Again, it's southwest of the loop and the river, right down here. And again, it's a poor area. In proximity to it, over here, you've got Sunni neighborhoods, and this being the Shia area right here, you're going to get and expect a lot of attacks in there, again, trying to keep the people from voting, trying to instill mayhem, trying to get the U.S. and coalition forces blamed for the mayhem during the elections.

O'BRIEN: As we fly via the keyhole.com Digital Globe Software. You're looking here. I'm just showing in the foreground here. This is the airport, Baghdad's International Airport, and that main road which goes right out of it, straight into Baghdad, that's a dangerous road, isn't it?

SHEPPERD: It is indeed. That road is called the Al Dawalli (ph) Airport Road, and its called the "road of death" by some of the people that work there, using a term. North of that is the Abu Ghraib Expressway.

But this is very dangerous. I've been told that people have been there recently, that contractors are charging as much as $5,000 to $6,000 to get people from the airport into the town, along the airport -- Al Dawalli Airport Road.

O'BRIEN: All right. Well, that gives you a sense of what is on the minds of military leaders as they try to make preparations for all this. As we said, Don Shepperd, the U.S. is there really to back up the Iraqi forces as they focus on these areas. The hope is that they won't have much to do, but, unfortunately, I think the thinking is they will be really busy all throughout the weekend.

SHEPPERD: I think it's going to be a busy weekend. Some of the attacks are going to be successful, people are going to be killed, but we're going to do everything we can. It's an Iraqi show, we're in the backup role as U.S. forces. Hopefully it will work and hopefully the turnout in all areas will be larger than expected -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. Major General Don Shepperd, our military analyst. We'll get back with more in just a moment.

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PHILLIPS: They caught Jackie O. sunbathing in the nude. They dressed up as doctors to get pictures of Kate Hudson's newborn. They stalked Princess Di on her final and fatal limo ride in Paris 1997. We're talking about paparazzi, the relentless privacy-invaders that play to the public's insatiable addiction to the rich and famous' most personal moments.

Well, now, the tawdry trade is the subject before the camera in a new documentary airing this weekend on the Discovery Times' channel. Andrew Morton, Princess Diana's biographer, is the host of "Snap!: A History of the Paparazzi." Andrew joins us live from New York. Good to see you, Andrew.

ANDREW MORTON, HOST, "SNAP!": Hi, nice to see you.

PHILLIPS: Take us back to 1958 Rome. The camera in the Vespa.

MORTON: Yes. What happened is, in the '30s and '40s, the studio system, the Hollywood studio system, would control every picture taken of the stars. Now, the stars became independent in the '50s, they went to play in Rome, went there for the cheap studios. And the Vespas were ridden by the freelance photographers. Freelance photographers went down to Via Venato (ph), which is this wonderful Beverly Hills-type place, Beverly (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in Rome, caught the celebrities, snapped them.

And they were all watched by a film director, Fellini, Federico Fellini. And he coined the phrase paparazzi because he said that they were like mosquitoes, they were stinging, hovering, irritating. So -- and that's how it all started. Way back, just some 50 years ago. And then the paparazzi had to get very up close and impersonal and they used to like to cause confrontation between themselves and the stars because they get a lot more money for it.

PHILLIPS: Of course. And then, of course, the long lens came into play. And we saw the camera on the Vespa. Things definitely change. And then it was that photo, right? Of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton that just shocked everybody and, boy, it was off and running, right?

MORTON: Absolutely. That picture, these days, is pretty tame stuff. But then, Liz and Richard Burton were married to different people. So the Vatican were outraged. They call it erotic vagrancy. And the paparazzi who took it took it using a long lens, a new invention in those days. So it meant that stars could be photographed without even knowing about it so that on one occasion, for example, Princess Diana, when she was pregnant, was taken in her bikini from one island one and half miles away.

PHILLIPS: Well, one of the famous paparazzi with whom you interview in this documentary, Ron Gallela -- it started with Marlon Brando. He kind of developed a friendship with him, right, and then they had this conversation and Marlon said, well, what do you want?

MORTON: Well, with friends like Marlon Brando, who needs enemies? Ron saw Brando after a TV show. He started taking pictures. Brando gestured towards him and then punched him in the face. He lost four or five teeth. He ended up with a lawsuit, which Gallela won and he got $40,000 compensation. And a year later, he turned up again, this time wearing, as you see in the picture, an American football hat.

PHILLIPS: Yes, that was the picture before.

MORTON: To protect himself, yes.

PHILLIPS: I think we can bring it up again. I think that's what was so funny is, even though he got socked by Marlon Brando, he wasn't giving up. He knew the public wanted these pictures so he would wear this football helmet and still, would Marlon Brando knock at him?

MORTON: Well, then he just -- he looked very stoney-faced and didn't say a word.

PHILLIPS: So much for the conversation, right? MORTON: Yes, exactly. But Gallela, he's one of these characters who never gave up. He had the real tenacity and determination of a paparazzi. But having said that, he was also a -- and still is -- a very good photographer.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's talk about Jackie O. He captured some amazing pictures of her later on in life. This one crossing the street. I mean, just so raw. She was always so poised and sophisticated and this one is just really relaxed and beautiful.

MORTON: Yes. I mean, as I say on the Discovery Times documentary, there's the kind of Mona Lisa moment. You've got the beginnings of a smile, you got the hair disheveled. She looks very relaxed, very -- you know, just very casual. And it's -- I think it's a quite beautiful picture. And in a way, that epitomizes the best features of paparazzi shot. You're capturing people off-duty, off- guard and you're, in a way, capturing parts of their soul.

PHILLIPS: Yes. In an innocent way versus a -- the way Liz Taylor, Richard Burton were captured. Well, then there was the photo that just rocked the world, selling more "National Enquirer" papers in history, that picture of Elvis in the coffin. Tell us how this picture was captured again by the paparazzi and how it really took paparazzi to a different level and the controversy over what's ethical and what's not?

MORTON: Well, this is what they -- this is this a milestone in the development of paparazzi because they now call it the coffin shot. The celebrities were hounded in life, now they're being hounded in death. And what happened was that the supermarket tabloid, the "National Enquirer," they sent a team of paparazzi down there to try and get pictures of Elvis at Graceland. The security was so tight, but they ended up bribing a member of the Presley family to take in a miniature camera and he snatched that picture up.

And that gave the "National Enquirer" the biggest-ever circulation in their history, something like 6.5 million. I mean, what I love about the "National Enquirer," you know, forget about the ethics, is that they just never gave up. When Michael J. Fox...

PHILLIPS: They still don't give up.

MORTON: When Michael J. Fox was being -- was getting married in Vermont, there's a llama farm nearby. And what the "Enquirer" did was dress all their photographers as llamas in llama suits. These South American animals. So that they could get pictures.

PHILLIPS: Unbelievable how creative they get, right? Or how crazy.

MORTON: I mean, they'll hire submarines, they'll hire helicopters. I'm not just talking about "The Enquirer," but all these paparazzi.

PHILLIPS: We got to go, but I just got to mention Princess Diana real quickly, because you are the biographer, also. She didn't like it, then she manipulated these photographers and then, unfortunately, many say it's the paparazzi that took her life.

MORTON: Well, yes. I mean, as I say in the Discovery Times' documentary, the pictures you'll never see are pictures of Diana dying in the car crash in Paris. And the irony of that is that she lived her life in the lens and she died in a hail of flashbulbs. And those pictures were on the desks of picture editors in New York, in London...

PHILLIPS: And nobody ran them.

MORTON: Even before she was taken to the hospital. I find that utterly extraordinary.

PHILLIPS: Wow. That's a huge statement. Andrew Morton, incredible. Snap. A history of the paparazzi. Great stuff. This Sunday, right? On the Discovery Times Channel?

MORTON: 8:00, Discovery Times. Be there or be square.

PHILLIPS: Come back, will you, Andrew?

MORTON: Nice to talk to you. Bye-bye.

PHILLIPS: Thank you. Pleasure.

O'BRIEN: Wouldn't you love to see one of their expense reports? One llama costume, one submarine. But hey, I got this shot, right?

PHILLIPS: Does it matter?

O'BRIEN: Yes. Well, from the paparazzi to something celebrities don't want to hear about, a vanity tax. It may not get past California lawmakers but some states are saying yes to taxes on Botox.

PHILLIPS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to be beautiful.

O'BRIEN: Little pain in the Botox there I should say. Cosmetic enhancements. Up next, the ugly news on getting pretty.

PHILLIPS: And would you even believe that Ronald McDonald is signing up for an extreme makeover? Say it isn't so! Our next hour of LIVE FROM going from purveyor of French fries to fitness coach. I'm not sure what that Hamburglar's role in all this is. I guess we'll investigate that.

O'BRIEN: Ronald is looking a little dated, don't you think? He needs to update.

PHILLIPS: It's those lips. He brought Botox to the forefront.

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PHILLIPS: Well, will democracy catch on in Iraq and Afghanistan? Coming up we're going to talk to Tennessee Congressman Harold Ford about his plans to visit both nations to see for himself.

O'BRIEN: And how do you prepare for a political and historical sea change? Christiane Amanpour reports from Baghdad where excitement is mixed with anxiety for citizens as they prepare for Sunday's vote in a number of ways.

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Aired January 28, 2005 - 14:31   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: A federal appeals court has cleared the way for the execution of a serial killer in Connecticut. Michael Ross would be the first person executed in New England in 45 years. He says he wants to die, but the appeals court is giving his father one last chance to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to halt the execution. The arraignment of the man who police say caused Wednesday's deadly train crash in Glendale, California has been delayed.
11 people were killed, nearly 200 injured when that commuter train smashed into his SUV and then plowed into two other trains. Police say Juan Manuel Alvarez parked the cars in the tracks in an aborted attempt to commit suicide. He was in court today, but the arraignment was delayed for further medical evaluation.

A formal swearing in for nation's new Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the State Department this morning in a ceremonial event witnessed by President Bush. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg administered the oath of office. Rice is the 66th secretary of state, and the first black woman to hold that post.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, the Iraqi elections are our focus today. Literally people all around the world are voting today, Iraqi expatriates, as they begin the process in Iraq of elections free and fair elections, or so it is hoped, the first time in decades. Joining us now from New Carrolton, Maryland, the Iraqi ambassador to the United States, Shamir Shakir Sumadaie, who went New Carrolton because that's the closest place to vote from New York City. He joins us having just voted.

And, Mr. Ambassador, first of all, congratulations on being able to exercise that right. It must be a gratifying moment for you.

SAMIR SHAKIR SUMADAIE, IRAQI AMB. TO U.N.: Thank you. It's great, it's very exhilarating and very exciting. I've just voted, and I've got my finger to prove it.

O'BRIEN: I see that. And that is a bit of dye on the finger to be proud of.

What does this mean for Iraqis after so many decades under the oppressive rule of Saddam Hussein?

SUMADAIE: Well, we have fought for many, many years to get to this point. And I think for Iraq, it's a rebirth. It is -- it doesn't mean that we've now got full democracy, but this is the first important stepping stone towards full democracy, and we are all very proud and very happy. O'BRIEN: Proud and happy, and going to New Carrolton is a relatively safe trip from New York City.

SUMADAIE: Yes. Yes, indeed.

O'BRIEN: Many of your fellow countrymen and women in Iraq don't have that advantage. They will be perhaps voting under great duress, potentially the threat of violence there. How concerned are you that the outcome will be tainted by all of that?

SUMADAIE: Well, you are absolutely right. I made only a minor effort. I came today from New York. But the real heroes will be on Sunday in Iraq, who will be defying the terrorists and going to vote. There will be millions of them, and they are the real heroes.

And I think every Iraqi who will participate in the elections will be proud and will relay that later to his children and perhaps grandchildren, to say that he was one of those who defied the terrorists, and took the risk and helped to build the new Iraq.

O'BRIEN: The concern, of course, is mostly focused on the Sunnis, where, of course, the origin of a lost this violence is believed to be. How concerned are you that the Sunnis, essentially, will disenfranchise themselves from the process, and thus whatever outcome that occurs as we move to next week and beyond with the Sunnis not as participant just lays the groundwork for additional violence?

SUMADAIE: Well, I don't think the Sunnis have disenfranchises themselves. A lot of them do want to vote, but they have been intimidated and subjected to intolerable threats and risks by the terrorists. Sunnis, like others, will continue to contribute, and I think the majority of Sunnis, given the chance, will be part of this process, and we will see that in the future.

O'BRIEN: The Iraqi ambassador to the United Nations is Samir Shakir Sumadaie, who proudly has a stained forefinger today having voted for the first time in a real election many decades in or out of Iraq. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it.

SUMADAIE: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right, so where will those hotspots be? What happens in and amidst Baghdad in particular. There is a lot of concern, of course, about violence. That violence focused on many of those polling stations and on specific neighborhoods, particularly neighborhoods where there is strong Sunni influence.

Joining us to talk a little bit about that and sort of give us, literally, the lay of the land in and around Baghdad is Major General Don Shepperd, our military analyst, retired U.S. Air Force.

General Shepperd, Let's go to the map. I want to just get people down on the ground from high above space, down on the ground to the area of Baghdad we want to talk about. If we could go to that map, I'd like to zoom in on it, and first of all, want to take people to Sadr City. Let's zoom in. Tell us about Sadr City. This is clearly an area that will be a focus of a lot of attention on the part of Iraqi security forces, as well as the U.S. military.

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes, we're looking at downtown Baghdad, and we're looking at the eastern bank of the Tigris River in downtown Baghdad. This is the redoubt, if you will, of Muqtada Al Sadr, the cleric, the radical cleric from the Najaf area that we've heard so much about with his Mehdi army. It's an area of poor people, and there are going be to lots of attacks probably against these people, attempted attacks by the Sunnis to prevent them from voting and intimidate them.

O'BRIEN: All right, one area of focus. Let's go across the area to Katimiya (ph), another little neighborhood, not so little actually, a neighborhood that is a focus of attention as well.

SHEPPERD: Indeed, this is on the western bank of the Tigris River. It's north of the Green Zone in downtown Baghdad, but again a poor area, an area of Shia there, in proximity to the Sunni areas, and it's going to be an area of potential problem, probably a lost attacks will take place in this area to prevent the voting.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's move south, and we're going to go into the area that we say it frequently, but let's remind people what the Green Zone is all about here, why that is a focus of concern as well.

SHEPPERD: Yes, the Green Zone basically is this area right here. It's on the western bank of the Tigris River, inside the loop, and it's the area where we saw all of the bombing during the war, the former Republican Guard area. It's the area where the interim government has its ministries and stuff now, and again, it's connected by several bridges across -- key bridges across the river, across the Tigris River, and we can expect a lot of action, perhaps rocket and mortar attacks into this area during the voting.

O'BRIEN: And about the middle of our screen we take you right down this road is Haifah (ph) Street, and this is also an area that will be a focus potentially. Tell us about that.

SHEPPERD: Indeed. It's a large street that goes from the Green Zone. It runs parallel to the Tigris River, carries a lot of traffic, and basically what you can expect to see is attacks against the vehicular traffic in the area here, lots of traffic, pedestrian traffic. The traffic is going to be limited, because vehicles are banned, except for government vehicles, but you can expect attacks and action in this area just to disrupt and instill mayhem.

O'BRIEN: All right, now, we've been talking about some Sunni neighborhoods. Let's talk about a Shia neighborhood and why we would be concerned about this one.

SHEPPERD: Yes, there's a Shia neighborhood. Again, it's southwest of the loop and the river, right down here. And again, it's a poor area. In proximity to it, over here, you've got Sunni neighborhoods, and this being the Shia area right here, you're going to get and expect a lot of attacks in there, again, trying to keep the people from voting, trying to instill mayhem, trying to get the U.S. and coalition forces blamed for the mayhem during the elections.

O'BRIEN: As we fly via the keyhole.com Digital Globe Software. You're looking here. I'm just showing in the foreground here. This is the airport, Baghdad's International Airport, and that main road which goes right out of it, straight into Baghdad, that's a dangerous road, isn't it?

SHEPPERD: It is indeed. That road is called the Al Dawalli (ph) Airport Road, and its called the "road of death" by some of the people that work there, using a term. North of that is the Abu Ghraib Expressway.

But this is very dangerous. I've been told that people have been there recently, that contractors are charging as much as $5,000 to $6,000 to get people from the airport into the town, along the airport -- Al Dawalli Airport Road.

O'BRIEN: All right. Well, that gives you a sense of what is on the minds of military leaders as they try to make preparations for all this. As we said, Don Shepperd, the U.S. is there really to back up the Iraqi forces as they focus on these areas. The hope is that they won't have much to do, but, unfortunately, I think the thinking is they will be really busy all throughout the weekend.

SHEPPERD: I think it's going to be a busy weekend. Some of the attacks are going to be successful, people are going to be killed, but we're going to do everything we can. It's an Iraqi show, we're in the backup role as U.S. forces. Hopefully it will work and hopefully the turnout in all areas will be larger than expected -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. Major General Don Shepperd, our military analyst. We'll get back with more in just a moment.

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PHILLIPS: They caught Jackie O. sunbathing in the nude. They dressed up as doctors to get pictures of Kate Hudson's newborn. They stalked Princess Di on her final and fatal limo ride in Paris 1997. We're talking about paparazzi, the relentless privacy-invaders that play to the public's insatiable addiction to the rich and famous' most personal moments.

Well, now, the tawdry trade is the subject before the camera in a new documentary airing this weekend on the Discovery Times' channel. Andrew Morton, Princess Diana's biographer, is the host of "Snap!: A History of the Paparazzi." Andrew joins us live from New York. Good to see you, Andrew.

ANDREW MORTON, HOST, "SNAP!": Hi, nice to see you.

PHILLIPS: Take us back to 1958 Rome. The camera in the Vespa.

MORTON: Yes. What happened is, in the '30s and '40s, the studio system, the Hollywood studio system, would control every picture taken of the stars. Now, the stars became independent in the '50s, they went to play in Rome, went there for the cheap studios. And the Vespas were ridden by the freelance photographers. Freelance photographers went down to Via Venato (ph), which is this wonderful Beverly Hills-type place, Beverly (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in Rome, caught the celebrities, snapped them.

And they were all watched by a film director, Fellini, Federico Fellini. And he coined the phrase paparazzi because he said that they were like mosquitoes, they were stinging, hovering, irritating. So -- and that's how it all started. Way back, just some 50 years ago. And then the paparazzi had to get very up close and impersonal and they used to like to cause confrontation between themselves and the stars because they get a lot more money for it.

PHILLIPS: Of course. And then, of course, the long lens came into play. And we saw the camera on the Vespa. Things definitely change. And then it was that photo, right? Of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton that just shocked everybody and, boy, it was off and running, right?

MORTON: Absolutely. That picture, these days, is pretty tame stuff. But then, Liz and Richard Burton were married to different people. So the Vatican were outraged. They call it erotic vagrancy. And the paparazzi who took it took it using a long lens, a new invention in those days. So it meant that stars could be photographed without even knowing about it so that on one occasion, for example, Princess Diana, when she was pregnant, was taken in her bikini from one island one and half miles away.

PHILLIPS: Well, one of the famous paparazzi with whom you interview in this documentary, Ron Gallela -- it started with Marlon Brando. He kind of developed a friendship with him, right, and then they had this conversation and Marlon said, well, what do you want?

MORTON: Well, with friends like Marlon Brando, who needs enemies? Ron saw Brando after a TV show. He started taking pictures. Brando gestured towards him and then punched him in the face. He lost four or five teeth. He ended up with a lawsuit, which Gallela won and he got $40,000 compensation. And a year later, he turned up again, this time wearing, as you see in the picture, an American football hat.

PHILLIPS: Yes, that was the picture before.

MORTON: To protect himself, yes.

PHILLIPS: I think we can bring it up again. I think that's what was so funny is, even though he got socked by Marlon Brando, he wasn't giving up. He knew the public wanted these pictures so he would wear this football helmet and still, would Marlon Brando knock at him?

MORTON: Well, then he just -- he looked very stoney-faced and didn't say a word.

PHILLIPS: So much for the conversation, right? MORTON: Yes, exactly. But Gallela, he's one of these characters who never gave up. He had the real tenacity and determination of a paparazzi. But having said that, he was also a -- and still is -- a very good photographer.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's talk about Jackie O. He captured some amazing pictures of her later on in life. This one crossing the street. I mean, just so raw. She was always so poised and sophisticated and this one is just really relaxed and beautiful.

MORTON: Yes. I mean, as I say on the Discovery Times documentary, there's the kind of Mona Lisa moment. You've got the beginnings of a smile, you got the hair disheveled. She looks very relaxed, very -- you know, just very casual. And it's -- I think it's a quite beautiful picture. And in a way, that epitomizes the best features of paparazzi shot. You're capturing people off-duty, off- guard and you're, in a way, capturing parts of their soul.

PHILLIPS: Yes. In an innocent way versus a -- the way Liz Taylor, Richard Burton were captured. Well, then there was the photo that just rocked the world, selling more "National Enquirer" papers in history, that picture of Elvis in the coffin. Tell us how this picture was captured again by the paparazzi and how it really took paparazzi to a different level and the controversy over what's ethical and what's not?

MORTON: Well, this is what they -- this is this a milestone in the development of paparazzi because they now call it the coffin shot. The celebrities were hounded in life, now they're being hounded in death. And what happened was that the supermarket tabloid, the "National Enquirer," they sent a team of paparazzi down there to try and get pictures of Elvis at Graceland. The security was so tight, but they ended up bribing a member of the Presley family to take in a miniature camera and he snatched that picture up.

And that gave the "National Enquirer" the biggest-ever circulation in their history, something like 6.5 million. I mean, what I love about the "National Enquirer," you know, forget about the ethics, is that they just never gave up. When Michael J. Fox...

PHILLIPS: They still don't give up.

MORTON: When Michael J. Fox was being -- was getting married in Vermont, there's a llama farm nearby. And what the "Enquirer" did was dress all their photographers as llamas in llama suits. These South American animals. So that they could get pictures.

PHILLIPS: Unbelievable how creative they get, right? Or how crazy.

MORTON: I mean, they'll hire submarines, they'll hire helicopters. I'm not just talking about "The Enquirer," but all these paparazzi.

PHILLIPS: We got to go, but I just got to mention Princess Diana real quickly, because you are the biographer, also. She didn't like it, then she manipulated these photographers and then, unfortunately, many say it's the paparazzi that took her life.

MORTON: Well, yes. I mean, as I say in the Discovery Times' documentary, the pictures you'll never see are pictures of Diana dying in the car crash in Paris. And the irony of that is that she lived her life in the lens and she died in a hail of flashbulbs. And those pictures were on the desks of picture editors in New York, in London...

PHILLIPS: And nobody ran them.

MORTON: Even before she was taken to the hospital. I find that utterly extraordinary.

PHILLIPS: Wow. That's a huge statement. Andrew Morton, incredible. Snap. A history of the paparazzi. Great stuff. This Sunday, right? On the Discovery Times Channel?

MORTON: 8:00, Discovery Times. Be there or be square.

PHILLIPS: Come back, will you, Andrew?

MORTON: Nice to talk to you. Bye-bye.

PHILLIPS: Thank you. Pleasure.

O'BRIEN: Wouldn't you love to see one of their expense reports? One llama costume, one submarine. But hey, I got this shot, right?

PHILLIPS: Does it matter?

O'BRIEN: Yes. Well, from the paparazzi to something celebrities don't want to hear about, a vanity tax. It may not get past California lawmakers but some states are saying yes to taxes on Botox.

PHILLIPS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to be beautiful.

O'BRIEN: Little pain in the Botox there I should say. Cosmetic enhancements. Up next, the ugly news on getting pretty.

PHILLIPS: And would you even believe that Ronald McDonald is signing up for an extreme makeover? Say it isn't so! Our next hour of LIVE FROM going from purveyor of French fries to fitness coach. I'm not sure what that Hamburglar's role in all this is. I guess we'll investigate that.

O'BRIEN: Ronald is looking a little dated, don't you think? He needs to update.

PHILLIPS: It's those lips. He brought Botox to the forefront.

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