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The Fight for Iraq; Bin Laden Hunter

Aired March 02, 2005 - 13:30   ET

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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now to Iraq where a grim milestone looms over U.S. troops, and another targeted assassination highlights the high-stakes balancing act between security and democracy. Retired Army General James "Spider" Marks joining us from Washington to talk about the new issues and the ongoing challenges on the ground there.
General, good to have you back with us.

MAJ. GEN. JAMES MARKS (RET)., U.S. ARMY: Good afternoon, Miles.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about Ukraine, first of all, Ukraine contingent in this coalition, all of 1,600 troops. The new president of Ukraine, Yushchenko, making good to the promise he made to the people, wildly unpopular deployment there, I think 17 deaths among them. How significant is that, at least symbolically, for the U.S. to see yet another member of that coalition leave?

MARKS: Well, miles, you hate to see a member of the coalition, which has been a real contributing member of the coalition, depart. But you have to view this on several levels.

First of all, let's take it at the very lowest level, at the tactical level. What do the Ukrainians, what did they bring to the fight in Iraq? And most of the nations like Ukraine bring some very capable, yet very niched capabilities, such as engineer capabilities, explosive ordinance demolition capabilities. So when you lose those at the tactical level, can you recover? The answer is yes, you sure can, and we can continue to drive one, and the coalition will.

O'BRIEN: Finish up.

MARKS: But -- I'm sorry, Miles. But when you look at it kind of from the alliance building or the policy level, you hate to see that erosion take place. Everyone in the uniform in the United States today is an alliance service member. So they are trained and they grow up in the building of coalitions and fighting alongside partner. So it's unfortunate that they have to depart.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about security on the ground for just a moment. Amid all of this violence -- and it's really hard to keep track of it. It's a daily stream of news about it, a judge on the Iraqi war crimes tribunal was singled out and shot dead. That is -- you know, of course, there has been so many acts of violence, it's hard to single one out and say that one crosses a line. But it does have an ominous tinge to it, given the fact that this country is struggling to come up with some sort of way of achieving justice and freedom. MARKS: Miles, this is very difficult for the Iraqi people and for this burgeoning democracy that's under way in Iraq. But these kinds of setbacks will occur. But the way you have to view it is, you -- there is a construct by which the United States -- and all nations -- try to interact. And Iraq is one of those, and that's along a political, and a military and economic line, a or societal, or infrastructure or informational line. Along each one of those, you need to apply resources.

And what you see in Iraq right now is a very large military operation to achieve security. But there is a growing political application. There is, in fact, a societal application. The Iraqis are going to step up -- and they will step up and they're starting to step up -- to take charge of each one of these issues across each one of those what we would call line of influence, so you can achieve a desired state, a desired in-state, a condition so that you can move forward. It's a tragedy to have what happened to the judge, but the Iraqis will recover, and they'll have to.

O'BRIEN: Of course, it's very hard to strike that balance between security and affording those freedoms.

MARKS: It is. And, in fact, you can't simply have a security element, Miles. There must be this growing political, societal and economic growth so that there can -- so they can achieve those desired states within Iraq.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's talk about that very grim milestone, and this brings it all back to the cost of all of this, 1500 now, the death toll, as we approach that number. And surely it will go beyond that number. And you can multiply that out, 1,500 families affected one way or another here in the United States. Can you look them in the eye if you had to and talk to them and say, this is worth the cost?

MARKS: Miles, you have to. Without making this personally, I've had to a number of times as a former soldier in the United States Army. I had to look about 10 families in the eye. These were sisters, and husbands in some cases, these were moms and dads, and you had to tell them, thank you for the sacrifices that your family member has made, and that's always very, very difficult, and it's always personal.

And in fact, you know, one lost soldier, or Marine or any service member is far too many. But there's no cost you can put to this, and nobody is suggesting that there is a number that is too many. That would belittle their contributions, and nobody is suggesting there should be a number. But it's very, very tough. One is too many.

On an additional, personal note. I've been married for 28 great years, and my bride's father, who is a general officer himself, a professional soldier on his fourth tour in Vietnam, was killed in 1972. Now this was the end the war. He had been there three times before. And every morning, for the past 32 year, we think about that lost great soldier. And you look in the eyes of his 24 grandchildren, soon to be 25, and you see his -- his focus, his generosity, and so family implication of the lost soldier lives on forever and ever, and the focus really must be on the families.

O'BRIEN: A lot of great soldiers leave great voids in those families, and it lasts a long time.

General "Spider" Marks, thanks for sharing your thoughts, especially on a personal level, we appreciate it -- Kyra.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Miles.

Near misses, miscalculations, contradictory intelligence, all are blamed for the fact that Osama bin Laden, the world's No. 1 terrorist, is still on the loose.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick talked exclusively to the FBI's former pointman on bin Laden about the hunt and the critical mistakes that have been made along the way.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Thirty years in the FBI.

DAN COLEMAN, FORMER FBI AGENT: It's a part of the house that bin Laden occupied in Kabul when he lived there.

FEYERICK: And Dan Coleman's biggest regret...

COLEMAN: Too bad he wasn't there when it happened.

FEYERICK: ... is that the terrorist he spent a decade hunting is still on the loose.

COLEMAN: It's disappointing to me that he hasn't been killed. It would be like capturing Hitler. Why? Why would you want to?

FEYERICK: Coleman retired last summer, his health not what it used to be. FBI buddies call him the professor. Anything you want to know about Osama bin Laden, Coleman has some of the best insights.

COLEMAN: A lot of his stories that he has about himself is made up, in terms of his background and his relationship with his father.

FEYERICK: Back in 1995, Osama bin Laden was relatively unknown to most Americans. But Coleman and other agents from the FBI and CIA had the Saudi son of privilege very much on their radar screens.

COLEMAN: He was picked as a target for a joint FBI/CIA task force. In December of '95, the CIA started to set it up. And by March of '96, I was assigned to it in Washington.

FEYERICK: Bin Laden had set up operations in Sudan, a dangerous country for American agents but at least a place where they could keep an eye on him. Then, pressured by the United States, Sudanese officials kicked bin Laden and his followers out of the country.

COLEMAN: By making him leave the Sudan, we took him from a somewhat controllable environment to Afghanistan, where it's a completely uncontrolled environment.

FEYERICK (on camera): So was that a miscalculation?

COLEMAN: It was horrible miscalculation. They might as well have been on the moon.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Bin Laden and his network thrived, setting up training camps, declaring war on America and, authorities say, making plans, plans to bomb U.S. embassies in East Africa and attack U.S. warships in Yemen.

COLEMAN: How much clearer did he have to make it that he has declared, he had declared -- not only declared war on the United States but was trying to carry it out?

And then he attacks, you know, the United States. It shouldn't have come as a surprise.

FEYERICK: What did surprise Coleman is what happened after 9/11.

COLEMAN: It was astounding to me that after the first -- the attack on September 11, that we were so ready to give up, you know, our laws, our values, everything, in order to defend ourselves.

FEYERICK: Coleman is a skilled interrogator. Part of his job at the FBI had been persuading terror suspects to cooperate and give up information. And he didn't use force.

COLEMAN: The point is to get them to a point where they, in the intelligence world, where they commit treason.

FEYERICK: In other words, by treating them with dignity, he got them to betray their cause.

COLEMAN: You got them to go over the line with a smile on their face.

FEYERICK: Since 9/11, hundreds, if not thousands of terror suspects have been detained by U.S. authorities around the world. Coleman's appalled by methods reportedly used at detention centers like the one at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

COLEMAN: What has come out of Guantanamo that's worth anything to anybody? Almost nothing. There's no reason for those people to cooperate. None. Why should they?

FEYERICK: The Defense Department disagrees, saying detainees are providing valuable information.

Coleman, who is 54, has five children. His wife teaches kindergarten. He could have retired four years ago. He stayed because of his oldest son, an Army Ranger who is on the ground in Afghanistan, hunting bin Laden.

(on camera) When you thought of him on the ground, did you think, get him, get him for me, get him? COLEMAN: No. Please don't get hurt. That's what I thought about. I did tell him, you know, if you get a hold of people or if you're trying to talk to people, treat them decently and you'll get what you want.

FEYERICK (voice-over): His son came home safely last year.

Looking back on his 30-year career, Dan Coleman defends the FBI and questions anyone who says bin Laden could have been stopped.

COLEMAN: The FBI had quite a lot of problems, and we do. We still do. But that doesn't mean that people weren't actively trying to resolve this problem. And to say anything else is just flat out wrong.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Up next on LIVE FROM, why wear clothing that just sits there when you can go high tech and impress your friends, maybe even save their life? We'll show you the future of couture for le gadget le gerre (ph).

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: He was the first American to orbit the earth and in 1998, he became the world's oldest astronaut. As part of CNN's anniversary series "Then and Now, we take a look back at the remarkable story of John Glenn and where is he today?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Godspeed, John Glenn.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): He's got the right stuff. The first American to orbit the earth, John Glenn became an instant American hero. Later, inspired by Bobby Kennedy, he ran for political office, becoming a U.S. senator from Ohio. He served for 24 years until 1998. Glenn left Capitol Hill and the surly bonds of earth one more time. At the age of 77, he became the oldest person ever to go into space. Now 83, Glenn is far from retired, dividing his time between Ohio and Washington, where he serves on a NASA advisory board.

JOHN GLENN, ASTRONAUT: I don't think retirement would be much fun anyway.

O'BRIEN: He and his wife Annie have founded the John Glenn Institute for Public Service at Ohio State University, where he serves as an adjunct professor.

GLENN: Mainly involved with letting students know the value of public service and public participation in politics.

O'BRIEN: Glenn is also still involved in politics, serving as a delegate at the 2004 Democratic Convention.

GLENN: It's been a very active life and one that I could not have foreseen at all when I was a kid growing up back in New Concord, Ohio.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Move over Maxwell Smart. Thanks to high tech, well, we've come a long way from shoe phones. We'll tell you where 86 and 99 are in a minute, but Miles has got it online.

O'BRIEN: I'm pulling it up on the web. Actually, I was going to pick up my shoe-phone and call, get the scoop.

KAGAN: When it comes down to it, here, we're talking about Andy Serwer. He's got, I guess a little too much of New York Fashion Week on his mind. But he insisted on modeling some of these new styles for you, whether it's the shoe or not, for the home viewer. So stand back, because here's some geek chic.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDY SERWER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're here on the streets of New York, checking out one of the hottest new trends -- that is wearable technology. Now I may be kind of stylin' here in this vest and jacket combination by Alexandra Faday (ph), but let me tell you something: this, according to the manufacturers, is bulletproof and stab-proof. I got some slugs here that were actually fired at this jacket, according to the manufacturers. I don't think I get paid enough to do that. But I do have a knife here. So maybe we can check it out a little bit, at least from a butter knife perspective. And you know, ow.

Sitting here in the middle of Broadway in the sun is a time- honored tradition in Manhattan. But I bet you I'm one of the first people to be wearing these Oakley Thump mp3 glasses with tunes coming right in here.

("WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE" PLAYS)

SERWER: Hey, easy, easy, now, I'm charging here, I'm charging! That's right, this jacket is actually a solar panel jacket. On the back there are actual solar panels. This jacket's made by Scott E. Vest (ph). And the panels connect to a battery charger here so that if your cell phone runs out during the day, you can actually just hook it right up here and then you can turn your back to sun and charge it. Charge!

So at the end of the day, I'm thinking, why don't I kick back and watch a little TV? And then I think, why watch TV when you can wear it? I'm going to crank up my iTop DVD sunglasses. Check this out. Take this DVD, this is "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle," a fine film. Just me, myself and I.

(voice-over): Andy Serwer, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE) (STOCK MARKET REPORT)

O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's already week seven in the "New You Revolution." We hope you have a new you. Our senior medical -- well, if you need a new you, that is. Maybe if you don't.

PHILLIPS: Do we have a new you?

O'BRIEN: No, same old me. I didn't even try.

Our senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta take a look at how the five participants are doing as they head into the homestretch of their eight-week makeover.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, all five appear to be well on their way to breaking bad health habits. Now, for Leigh Ann, Jonathan and Sandra, there have been some unexpected developments.

LEIGH ANN RAYNOR, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: My goal was to lose weight, to start exercising and to learn to cook.

GUPTA (voice over): But Leigh Ann has one other bad habit we really want her to tackle.

RAYNOR: Y'all won't leave me alone about the smoking.

GUPTA: So, we introduced her to her neighbor, who just happens to be the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld.

RAYNOR: I mean, I've been smoking since I was 18, and I'm 49. And in terms of getting emphysema or heart disease, is it too late?

DR. LEN LICHTENFELD, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The answer is it's never too late.

GUPTA: She's already taking steps towards quitting. She tried hypnosis again, and she's come up with her own unique nicotine cessation program.

RAYNOR: My little baggy of cigarettes instead of carrying them in the pack. This way, I can keep count of exactly how many I smoke. And each day, I take one away. So, I have you know, one less each day until I get down to about 10. And then we'll see.

GUPTA: She's already smoking half a pack less than she used to.

Jonathan only wanted to stop biting his nails, something he's been quite successful at so far. But exercise and diet was not part of his "New You Revolution." And yet, he's eating better and exercising more. Why?

JONATHAN KARP, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Just because everybody else is, you know, doing it.

GUPTA: Watching the others made an impression on him.

KARP: I heard Sandra's clip, you know, her battling with depression.

GUPTA: She also suffers from depression.

SANDRA GARTH, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: I was diagnosed with it in 2002.

KARP: You know, I know about depression, too. So I know that that's just good to do. I've been down her road, and something that I didn't want to take pills either. You know, you've got to get out there and be just strong by being active.

GUPTA: Telling a national audience that she suffers from depression was a big step for Sandra, something we didn't know at the beginning of the "New You Revolution." We did, however, know about her son, Casey, and daughter-in-law, Teresa, who are stationed in Iraq. It was a big motivator for Sandra to get healthy. Now, she has more motivation.

GARTH: I got a phone call from Iraq. It was Casey. I knew from his e-mails that Teresa may be back to Germany last week. She is there safe and sound, thank God. And he's going to be leaving the 3rd or the 5th of March.

GUPTA: She'll lose her exercise buddy when grandson, Shannon, returns to his parents. But it's a sacrifice she's happy to make.

(on camera): And we just learned that Sandra's daughter-in-law, who you just met there, is now back in Detroit and has been reunited with her son. So some good news there.

Now, for Thekla and Harold, we thought they might benefit from some encouragement from a couple of last year's "New You" participants.

(voice-over): Thekla Fischer has come a long way in her "New You Revolution." But seven weeks into this she still has some anxiety about starting a family. So we introduced her to one of last year's new you participant, Michael Kirkbride.

His wife and fellow "New You-er," Pam, was on a business trip. But daughter Olivia joined her dad in sharing some "New You" wisdom.

THEKLA FISCHER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: The thing that scares me the most is just the time commitment.

MICHAEL KIRKBRIDE, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: It's a constant struggle.

FISCHER: So, how long did it take before she started sleeping through the night?

KIRKBRIDE: I think she was six or seven months.

GUPTA: Thekla admits she's more comfortable with children that are old enough to carry on a conversation, but little Olivia found a way to lessen Thekla's fear and open her heart.

2004 "New You-er" Kim Everett and this year participant Harald Fricker joined for the same reasons: lose weight and get healthy.

We thought she might have some words of encouragement for him, so we hooked them up by phone.

KIM EVERETT, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: So, I heard you lost 20 pounds. Congratulations on that.

HARALD FRICKER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Thank you very much. Yes. It feels great.

GUPTA: Kim is still sticking to her "New You" new habits. She lost 10 pounds last year and has kept it off.

EVERETT: The "New You" just a year ago changed my life. So it's definitely going to change theirs.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, for the "New You Revolution."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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Aired March 2, 2005 - 13:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now to Iraq where a grim milestone looms over U.S. troops, and another targeted assassination highlights the high-stakes balancing act between security and democracy. Retired Army General James "Spider" Marks joining us from Washington to talk about the new issues and the ongoing challenges on the ground there.
General, good to have you back with us.

MAJ. GEN. JAMES MARKS (RET)., U.S. ARMY: Good afternoon, Miles.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about Ukraine, first of all, Ukraine contingent in this coalition, all of 1,600 troops. The new president of Ukraine, Yushchenko, making good to the promise he made to the people, wildly unpopular deployment there, I think 17 deaths among them. How significant is that, at least symbolically, for the U.S. to see yet another member of that coalition leave?

MARKS: Well, miles, you hate to see a member of the coalition, which has been a real contributing member of the coalition, depart. But you have to view this on several levels.

First of all, let's take it at the very lowest level, at the tactical level. What do the Ukrainians, what did they bring to the fight in Iraq? And most of the nations like Ukraine bring some very capable, yet very niched capabilities, such as engineer capabilities, explosive ordinance demolition capabilities. So when you lose those at the tactical level, can you recover? The answer is yes, you sure can, and we can continue to drive one, and the coalition will.

O'BRIEN: Finish up.

MARKS: But -- I'm sorry, Miles. But when you look at it kind of from the alliance building or the policy level, you hate to see that erosion take place. Everyone in the uniform in the United States today is an alliance service member. So they are trained and they grow up in the building of coalitions and fighting alongside partner. So it's unfortunate that they have to depart.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about security on the ground for just a moment. Amid all of this violence -- and it's really hard to keep track of it. It's a daily stream of news about it, a judge on the Iraqi war crimes tribunal was singled out and shot dead. That is -- you know, of course, there has been so many acts of violence, it's hard to single one out and say that one crosses a line. But it does have an ominous tinge to it, given the fact that this country is struggling to come up with some sort of way of achieving justice and freedom. MARKS: Miles, this is very difficult for the Iraqi people and for this burgeoning democracy that's under way in Iraq. But these kinds of setbacks will occur. But the way you have to view it is, you -- there is a construct by which the United States -- and all nations -- try to interact. And Iraq is one of those, and that's along a political, and a military and economic line, a or societal, or infrastructure or informational line. Along each one of those, you need to apply resources.

And what you see in Iraq right now is a very large military operation to achieve security. But there is a growing political application. There is, in fact, a societal application. The Iraqis are going to step up -- and they will step up and they're starting to step up -- to take charge of each one of these issues across each one of those what we would call line of influence, so you can achieve a desired state, a desired in-state, a condition so that you can move forward. It's a tragedy to have what happened to the judge, but the Iraqis will recover, and they'll have to.

O'BRIEN: Of course, it's very hard to strike that balance between security and affording those freedoms.

MARKS: It is. And, in fact, you can't simply have a security element, Miles. There must be this growing political, societal and economic growth so that there can -- so they can achieve those desired states within Iraq.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's talk about that very grim milestone, and this brings it all back to the cost of all of this, 1500 now, the death toll, as we approach that number. And surely it will go beyond that number. And you can multiply that out, 1,500 families affected one way or another here in the United States. Can you look them in the eye if you had to and talk to them and say, this is worth the cost?

MARKS: Miles, you have to. Without making this personally, I've had to a number of times as a former soldier in the United States Army. I had to look about 10 families in the eye. These were sisters, and husbands in some cases, these were moms and dads, and you had to tell them, thank you for the sacrifices that your family member has made, and that's always very, very difficult, and it's always personal.

And in fact, you know, one lost soldier, or Marine or any service member is far too many. But there's no cost you can put to this, and nobody is suggesting that there is a number that is too many. That would belittle their contributions, and nobody is suggesting there should be a number. But it's very, very tough. One is too many.

On an additional, personal note. I've been married for 28 great years, and my bride's father, who is a general officer himself, a professional soldier on his fourth tour in Vietnam, was killed in 1972. Now this was the end the war. He had been there three times before. And every morning, for the past 32 year, we think about that lost great soldier. And you look in the eyes of his 24 grandchildren, soon to be 25, and you see his -- his focus, his generosity, and so family implication of the lost soldier lives on forever and ever, and the focus really must be on the families.

O'BRIEN: A lot of great soldiers leave great voids in those families, and it lasts a long time.

General "Spider" Marks, thanks for sharing your thoughts, especially on a personal level, we appreciate it -- Kyra.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Miles.

Near misses, miscalculations, contradictory intelligence, all are blamed for the fact that Osama bin Laden, the world's No. 1 terrorist, is still on the loose.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick talked exclusively to the FBI's former pointman on bin Laden about the hunt and the critical mistakes that have been made along the way.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Thirty years in the FBI.

DAN COLEMAN, FORMER FBI AGENT: It's a part of the house that bin Laden occupied in Kabul when he lived there.

FEYERICK: And Dan Coleman's biggest regret...

COLEMAN: Too bad he wasn't there when it happened.

FEYERICK: ... is that the terrorist he spent a decade hunting is still on the loose.

COLEMAN: It's disappointing to me that he hasn't been killed. It would be like capturing Hitler. Why? Why would you want to?

FEYERICK: Coleman retired last summer, his health not what it used to be. FBI buddies call him the professor. Anything you want to know about Osama bin Laden, Coleman has some of the best insights.

COLEMAN: A lot of his stories that he has about himself is made up, in terms of his background and his relationship with his father.

FEYERICK: Back in 1995, Osama bin Laden was relatively unknown to most Americans. But Coleman and other agents from the FBI and CIA had the Saudi son of privilege very much on their radar screens.

COLEMAN: He was picked as a target for a joint FBI/CIA task force. In December of '95, the CIA started to set it up. And by March of '96, I was assigned to it in Washington.

FEYERICK: Bin Laden had set up operations in Sudan, a dangerous country for American agents but at least a place where they could keep an eye on him. Then, pressured by the United States, Sudanese officials kicked bin Laden and his followers out of the country.

COLEMAN: By making him leave the Sudan, we took him from a somewhat controllable environment to Afghanistan, where it's a completely uncontrolled environment.

FEYERICK (on camera): So was that a miscalculation?

COLEMAN: It was horrible miscalculation. They might as well have been on the moon.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Bin Laden and his network thrived, setting up training camps, declaring war on America and, authorities say, making plans, plans to bomb U.S. embassies in East Africa and attack U.S. warships in Yemen.

COLEMAN: How much clearer did he have to make it that he has declared, he had declared -- not only declared war on the United States but was trying to carry it out?

And then he attacks, you know, the United States. It shouldn't have come as a surprise.

FEYERICK: What did surprise Coleman is what happened after 9/11.

COLEMAN: It was astounding to me that after the first -- the attack on September 11, that we were so ready to give up, you know, our laws, our values, everything, in order to defend ourselves.

FEYERICK: Coleman is a skilled interrogator. Part of his job at the FBI had been persuading terror suspects to cooperate and give up information. And he didn't use force.

COLEMAN: The point is to get them to a point where they, in the intelligence world, where they commit treason.

FEYERICK: In other words, by treating them with dignity, he got them to betray their cause.

COLEMAN: You got them to go over the line with a smile on their face.

FEYERICK: Since 9/11, hundreds, if not thousands of terror suspects have been detained by U.S. authorities around the world. Coleman's appalled by methods reportedly used at detention centers like the one at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

COLEMAN: What has come out of Guantanamo that's worth anything to anybody? Almost nothing. There's no reason for those people to cooperate. None. Why should they?

FEYERICK: The Defense Department disagrees, saying detainees are providing valuable information.

Coleman, who is 54, has five children. His wife teaches kindergarten. He could have retired four years ago. He stayed because of his oldest son, an Army Ranger who is on the ground in Afghanistan, hunting bin Laden.

(on camera) When you thought of him on the ground, did you think, get him, get him for me, get him? COLEMAN: No. Please don't get hurt. That's what I thought about. I did tell him, you know, if you get a hold of people or if you're trying to talk to people, treat them decently and you'll get what you want.

FEYERICK (voice-over): His son came home safely last year.

Looking back on his 30-year career, Dan Coleman defends the FBI and questions anyone who says bin Laden could have been stopped.

COLEMAN: The FBI had quite a lot of problems, and we do. We still do. But that doesn't mean that people weren't actively trying to resolve this problem. And to say anything else is just flat out wrong.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Up next on LIVE FROM, why wear clothing that just sits there when you can go high tech and impress your friends, maybe even save their life? We'll show you the future of couture for le gadget le gerre (ph).

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: He was the first American to orbit the earth and in 1998, he became the world's oldest astronaut. As part of CNN's anniversary series "Then and Now, we take a look back at the remarkable story of John Glenn and where is he today?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Godspeed, John Glenn.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): He's got the right stuff. The first American to orbit the earth, John Glenn became an instant American hero. Later, inspired by Bobby Kennedy, he ran for political office, becoming a U.S. senator from Ohio. He served for 24 years until 1998. Glenn left Capitol Hill and the surly bonds of earth one more time. At the age of 77, he became the oldest person ever to go into space. Now 83, Glenn is far from retired, dividing his time between Ohio and Washington, where he serves on a NASA advisory board.

JOHN GLENN, ASTRONAUT: I don't think retirement would be much fun anyway.

O'BRIEN: He and his wife Annie have founded the John Glenn Institute for Public Service at Ohio State University, where he serves as an adjunct professor.

GLENN: Mainly involved with letting students know the value of public service and public participation in politics.

O'BRIEN: Glenn is also still involved in politics, serving as a delegate at the 2004 Democratic Convention.

GLENN: It's been a very active life and one that I could not have foreseen at all when I was a kid growing up back in New Concord, Ohio.

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PHILLIPS: Move over Maxwell Smart. Thanks to high tech, well, we've come a long way from shoe phones. We'll tell you where 86 and 99 are in a minute, but Miles has got it online.

O'BRIEN: I'm pulling it up on the web. Actually, I was going to pick up my shoe-phone and call, get the scoop.

KAGAN: When it comes down to it, here, we're talking about Andy Serwer. He's got, I guess a little too much of New York Fashion Week on his mind. But he insisted on modeling some of these new styles for you, whether it's the shoe or not, for the home viewer. So stand back, because here's some geek chic.

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ANDY SERWER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're here on the streets of New York, checking out one of the hottest new trends -- that is wearable technology. Now I may be kind of stylin' here in this vest and jacket combination by Alexandra Faday (ph), but let me tell you something: this, according to the manufacturers, is bulletproof and stab-proof. I got some slugs here that were actually fired at this jacket, according to the manufacturers. I don't think I get paid enough to do that. But I do have a knife here. So maybe we can check it out a little bit, at least from a butter knife perspective. And you know, ow.

Sitting here in the middle of Broadway in the sun is a time- honored tradition in Manhattan. But I bet you I'm one of the first people to be wearing these Oakley Thump mp3 glasses with tunes coming right in here.

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SERWER: Hey, easy, easy, now, I'm charging here, I'm charging! That's right, this jacket is actually a solar panel jacket. On the back there are actual solar panels. This jacket's made by Scott E. Vest (ph). And the panels connect to a battery charger here so that if your cell phone runs out during the day, you can actually just hook it right up here and then you can turn your back to sun and charge it. Charge!

So at the end of the day, I'm thinking, why don't I kick back and watch a little TV? And then I think, why watch TV when you can wear it? I'm going to crank up my iTop DVD sunglasses. Check this out. Take this DVD, this is "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle," a fine film. Just me, myself and I.

(voice-over): Andy Serwer, CNN, New York.

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O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's already week seven in the "New You Revolution." We hope you have a new you. Our senior medical -- well, if you need a new you, that is. Maybe if you don't.

PHILLIPS: Do we have a new you?

O'BRIEN: No, same old me. I didn't even try.

Our senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta take a look at how the five participants are doing as they head into the homestretch of their eight-week makeover.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, all five appear to be well on their way to breaking bad health habits. Now, for Leigh Ann, Jonathan and Sandra, there have been some unexpected developments.

LEIGH ANN RAYNOR, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: My goal was to lose weight, to start exercising and to learn to cook.

GUPTA (voice over): But Leigh Ann has one other bad habit we really want her to tackle.

RAYNOR: Y'all won't leave me alone about the smoking.

GUPTA: So, we introduced her to her neighbor, who just happens to be the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld.

RAYNOR: I mean, I've been smoking since I was 18, and I'm 49. And in terms of getting emphysema or heart disease, is it too late?

DR. LEN LICHTENFELD, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The answer is it's never too late.

GUPTA: She's already taking steps towards quitting. She tried hypnosis again, and she's come up with her own unique nicotine cessation program.

RAYNOR: My little baggy of cigarettes instead of carrying them in the pack. This way, I can keep count of exactly how many I smoke. And each day, I take one away. So, I have you know, one less each day until I get down to about 10. And then we'll see.

GUPTA: She's already smoking half a pack less than she used to.

Jonathan only wanted to stop biting his nails, something he's been quite successful at so far. But exercise and diet was not part of his "New You Revolution." And yet, he's eating better and exercising more. Why?

JONATHAN KARP, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Just because everybody else is, you know, doing it.

GUPTA: Watching the others made an impression on him.

KARP: I heard Sandra's clip, you know, her battling with depression.

GUPTA: She also suffers from depression.

SANDRA GARTH, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: I was diagnosed with it in 2002.

KARP: You know, I know about depression, too. So I know that that's just good to do. I've been down her road, and something that I didn't want to take pills either. You know, you've got to get out there and be just strong by being active.

GUPTA: Telling a national audience that she suffers from depression was a big step for Sandra, something we didn't know at the beginning of the "New You Revolution." We did, however, know about her son, Casey, and daughter-in-law, Teresa, who are stationed in Iraq. It was a big motivator for Sandra to get healthy. Now, she has more motivation.

GARTH: I got a phone call from Iraq. It was Casey. I knew from his e-mails that Teresa may be back to Germany last week. She is there safe and sound, thank God. And he's going to be leaving the 3rd or the 5th of March.

GUPTA: She'll lose her exercise buddy when grandson, Shannon, returns to his parents. But it's a sacrifice she's happy to make.

(on camera): And we just learned that Sandra's daughter-in-law, who you just met there, is now back in Detroit and has been reunited with her son. So some good news there.

Now, for Thekla and Harold, we thought they might benefit from some encouragement from a couple of last year's "New You" participants.

(voice-over): Thekla Fischer has come a long way in her "New You Revolution." But seven weeks into this she still has some anxiety about starting a family. So we introduced her to one of last year's new you participant, Michael Kirkbride.

His wife and fellow "New You-er," Pam, was on a business trip. But daughter Olivia joined her dad in sharing some "New You" wisdom.

THEKLA FISCHER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: The thing that scares me the most is just the time commitment.

MICHAEL KIRKBRIDE, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: It's a constant struggle.

FISCHER: So, how long did it take before she started sleeping through the night?

KIRKBRIDE: I think she was six or seven months.

GUPTA: Thekla admits she's more comfortable with children that are old enough to carry on a conversation, but little Olivia found a way to lessen Thekla's fear and open her heart.

2004 "New You-er" Kim Everett and this year participant Harald Fricker joined for the same reasons: lose weight and get healthy.

We thought she might have some words of encouragement for him, so we hooked them up by phone.

KIM EVERETT, FMR. "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: So, I heard you lost 20 pounds. Congratulations on that.

HARALD FRICKER, "NEW YOU" PARTICIPANT: Thank you very much. Yes. It feels great.

GUPTA: Kim is still sticking to her "New You" new habits. She lost 10 pounds last year and has kept it off.

EVERETT: The "New You" just a year ago changed my life. So it's definitely going to change theirs.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, for the "New You Revolution."

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PHILLIPS: And coming up in the second hour of LIVE FROM, outrage in Washington, some U.N. peacekeepers in the Congo are accused of sexually exploiting the very people they're supposed to protect. We're going to talk about it with one congressman who's taking action.

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