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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures from the Vatican. Millions of people in Rome to pay respects to the pope. This hour, John Paul II's final thoughts revealed in his will.
Gas prices going up. Why are they so high? The scoop on what's fueling the rise.
Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles set to wed. Our CNN cameras go to Cornwall, where some of the locals are less than thrilled by their new duchess.
A crusty conservative has a change of heart. CNN "CROSSFIRE" co- host Robert Novak opens up about the moment he found a new faith.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles is off today. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
Five days after his death, one day before his funeral, Pope John Paul II in his own words. The late pontiff's reflections, devotions, intentions are spelled out in a captivating detail in his 15-page spiritual testament made public in Vatican City. In essence, it's John Paul's will, something else for the pilgrims to ponder while they push with a now-or-never urgency into St. Peter's Basilica.
The pope writes that the church's jubilee year of 2000 gave him pause to wonder how much longer god wanted him to go on. Early in his papacy, he writes that he considered requesting burial in his beloved Poland, but later he decided to live that up to the College of Cardinals. They, as you know, sided with tradition. And since John Paul isn't coming to them, some two million Poles are coming to John Paul.
Time is running out to pay respects. We just heard the line is closed two hours before the basilica closes to prepare for tomorrow.
CNN's Jennifer Eccleston has the latest now from St. Peter's Square.
Hi, Jen.
JENNIFER ECCLESTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Kyra.
Well, that's right, about an hour ago, they announced that the line was closed, that no more pilgrims would be able to get on that line to go into the basilica and see the body of Pope John Paul II to say their final farewell. So, as you can see, I'm going to ask the cameraman to pan over to the crowd. These people who are along the line, some several thousand will be the only ones allowed, the last ones allowed to go through the door of St. Peter's Basilica and view the body of Pope John Paul II.
Now, they had announced last night that they closed the line at 10:00 p.m. because the logistics of getting the people inside were just too impossible before preparations for the funeral tomorrow were under way. Now, they said at that stage, from the back of the line, it was taking 12 to 15 hours to get into the basilica. Somewhere over the night that changed, because people were going home when they announced they had to close the line at 10:00.
And they realized that it was now taking people only about five or six hours to get into the basilica. So they opened up the line, and that was a great relief to the hundreds of thousand, some say millions, of Polish pilgrims that had been coming into Rome to say their final farewell to their native son, Pope John Paul II. They have been able to stream through these lines.
And if you can see behind me, there are countless Polish flags, from their national flag to their state flags, holding up signs of adoration and affection to Pope John Paul II. But as we know, that line is coming to an end. And in about two hours, the doors of St. Peter's will close and the final preparations will be under way to make way for tomorrow's 10:00 a.m. funeral mass -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Jen, just real quickly, did you get to talk with any of those Poles? And how did they feel about the fact that the pope -- and there's of course talk about his heart possibly going back to Poland to be buried there in the cathedral. Are they comfortable with that, that tradition has now taken over what will happen?
ECCLESTON: Well, it's a mixed view, actually. Those that I've spoken to earlier, the earlier people that got on the line, were -- basically told me it really was up to the pope.
If the pope had laid out a plan that he wanted to be buried with tradition with the other popes in the grotto beneath St. Peter's Basilica, then they would absolutely respect that wish. But then there were those, others who said as he is the native son, as he is revered so much in Poland, as he is not only a great figure the of church, but also a political figure, that they thought it would be fitting for him to come home.
And some of them even said they don't care what part of him comes home, as long as some part remains in Poland. And that remains to be seen -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, it's got to be amazing for them to even be there. Now, I've got to ask you, Jen, once the door closes, what happens to all these thousands and thousands of people outside the basilica? Will they stay there, will they gather, will they watch the ceremony on a big screen? I know there were some set up there in the square.
ECCLESTON: That's a good question. We were wondering the same thing ourselves, because even though this line is closed, there are thousands of people off on the side streets here on the Vatican.
We do understand that many of those people have put up their sleeping bags, they're planning to spend the night so they can be here when the mass starts at 10:00 a.m. in the morning. Now, it's unclear whether the security concerns, given the fact that there are so many dignitaries, so many heads of state, kings, queens, and so many presidents and prime ministers who will be coming from Mexico to Malaysia, it's not clear whether they'll actually let them stay there. But they're putting up their tents, they're putting up their sleeping bags, they're planning to spend the night.
But officials are asking them -- it's gone over every media outlet in this country, through the papers, through the television, and also through text messages, that they would need to leave this area and go to a place where they can watch it on those big screen TVs. There's several of them throughout the Vatican area.
There are also many that that have been put up around Rome so that the millions of people they're expecting tomorrow -- they may not be able to be here to experience the event, but they will also able to take part of it, outside of the Vatican center -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, it's beautiful inside and outside there in St. Peter's Square. Jennifer Eccleston, thanks so much.
President Bush has been in Rome for almost a day now. He and his two immediate predecessors paid courtesy calls today on the president and prime minister of Italy, having bypassed the lines late yesterday to visit the remains of the pope.
Many members of Congress have traveled to Rome as well, including the Catholic whom Mr. Bush defeated in the 2004 election. John Kerry arrived on crutches, having recently undergone surgery on his right knee. You can see Senator Kennedy right next to him, too.
Well, more particulars today on the proceedings that will follow John Paul's burial. The cardinals decided the disgraced American cardinal, Bernard Law, former archbishop of Boston, will celebrate one of nine masses in the late pope's honor before the conclave to choose a successor.
That's not likely to sit well with the many in Boston and beyond who accused Law of deliberately ignoring decades of sexual abuse of children perpetrated by priests under his command. CNN's Gary Tuchman reports that some blame John Paul as well.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They had all come to Boston's Cathedral of the Holy Cross for the same reason, to honor, remember and pray for Pope John Paul II.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We loved him. And we had to honor him by being here.
TUCHMAN: But among some at the mass, an sense of confusion and disappointment still lingers about why more was not done about the clergy sexual abuse scandal that still deeply affects Boston.
(on camera): Does that bother you at all that the pope didn't speak out more about it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, sure. Yes.
TUCHMAN: Tell me why.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he was in a position to have possibly done more about it.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Bernie McDaid watches the TV coverage. Asked this former altar boy his feelings about the pope and he'll say his pontiff was...
BERNIE MCDAID, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: A good man. He's obviously done good things in the world. I see that.
TUCHMAN: But McDaid also says he was repeatedly molested as a boy by a priest who used to pick him up at home. Reverend Joseph Birmingham was accused of molesting dozen of boys. He died in 1989. McDaid is one of more than 500 people who've received a financial settlement from the Boston church.
MCDAID: I remember my poor mother catching me hiding in the back yard, going, "How dare you hide from a priest?" And I couldn't tell her. And I was made to go off in the car. I'm like, "Oh, here we go." You know?
TUCHMAN: McDaid says his life has never been the same. And it's colored his view of the man who led the Catholic Church.
MCDAID : He didn't come out with what I consider a full apology of this issue and to promote any awareness of the damage that had occurred through his church.
TUCHMAN: Many believe the Vatican response to the problem was too little, too late. After the former Boston archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law was forced to resign over the far-reaching impact of clergy sexual abuse in his archdiocese, there were hard feelings in Boston that the pope gave him a comparable position in Rome, in which he'll still participate in the conclave to select a new pope.
PROF. THOMAS GROOME, BOSTON COLLEGE: The perception I think would be as well that he himself was not proactive in his response to it. No, I think a lot of that was because he was sick and elderly, and maybe his lieutenants weren't giving him full reports and so on. But there is a sense the Boston Catholics have that the pope never quite got it.
TUCHMAN: John Paul II is loved in Boston.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think after Christ and the Virgin Mary, he was the third.
TUCHMAN: But for some, that love is complex. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Boston.
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PHILLIPS: Well, for the millions of people who flocked to Rome, this journey amounts to a mission. Especially for the 100-plus men who will elect the pope's successor, the cardinals. More on them now from CNN's Jim Bittermann.
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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's not easy to become a member of this club, the cardinals, who are the pope's closest associates in life and elect his successor when he dies. All started as priests.
The Catholic Church has more than 400,000 priests. Most all cardinals also were once bishops. But you can't become a bishop without the personal approval of the pope. There are more than 4,000 bishops.
And to become a cardinal, you've got to be a bishop who has caught the eye of the pope in one way or another. All but three of the cardinals eligible to vote for his replacement were named by Pope John Paul II. But does that mean they had to share the pope's views on key issues to get the promotion? The cardinal from London thinks not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So there's a lot we have in common, but we have -- we're different, different kind of characters. And that's the great thing, the church is united, and yet there's great diversity, both in the characters that inhabit it...
BITTERMANN: The fact is the cardinals vary widely in their backgrounds, experience and their opinions. Pastoral cardinals, those who work out in the real world with its real problems, tend to see things differently from those working in the Vatican bureaucracy.
A cardinal from AIDS-stricken South Africa, for instance, always maintained the pope's line on the use of condoms, but looks the other way when his flock practices so-called safe sex anyway.
The cardinal from Belgium believes it's time for another churchwide council like Vatican II to look at all sorts of issues that have cropped up since.
The cardinal from Vienna thinks the church needs to look again at issues like the role of women in the church and celibacy.
Everyone is coming to Rome with a different agenda.
REV. THOMAS REESE, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Different parts of the world are coming with different issues trying to find one man who can fulfill this whole big job description.
BITTERMANN: The man who filled it last time was himself a surprise, at least in part because he did tolerate some diversity. Some of the pope's men are more hard-lined than the pope was himself.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger called homosexuality an intrinsic moral evil, whereas someone like this California-based Cardinal Roger Mahony has established an outreach ministries for homosexuals.
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: On many, many questions these people just simply don't think alike. You have to remember, Jim, that the College of Cardinals is not an organism that has a single will and intellect.
BITTERMANN: And so, if while they might all look alike in their red (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the looks can deceive. Many cardinals have towed the line and bided their time, waiting for exactly this moment.
(on camera): One American priest used to say, "There's nothing deader than a dead pope." Meaning that when a pope passes away, no one feels any obligation to follow the wishes or echo the views of the previous pope when it comes to evaluating what the church may need from the next one.
Jim Bittermann, CNN, Rome.
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PHILLIPS: Straight ahead, graphic allegations in the Michael Jackson case. A former security guard testifies about what he saw the pop singer do. We're going to have a live report from the courthouse later on LIVE FROM.
Actress Jane Fonda opens up to CNN's Larry King about life and a marriage to Ted Turner.
PATRICK SNELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And I'm Patrick Snell at Augusta National, as the 69th Masters finally get under way after a five-hour rain delay. I'll have that when LIVE FROM continues.
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PHILLIPS: Forgive the pun, but gas prices have just hit another milestone. The numbers at the pump went up again today.
And those in the know tell us they're set to rise even further. With summer just around the corner, that's not good news at all.
So what's behind the rapid rise? Let's bring in Chris Huntington, live from New York. He's going to tear up more $2 bills for us.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra, I'm all out of $2 bills today. They've been torn up long before.
You know, it's not a surprise that gas prices are continuing to move higher. We've been hearing this now for several months. It is surprising, though, by how much more the Department of Energy is now predicting those prices will move in the next month or so.
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HUNTINGTON (voice-over): Prepare to pump up your wallet with even more cash for gas this summer. The Department of Energy now predicts nationwide gas prices will average $2.35 for a gallon of unleaded regular next month, up 20 cents from the DOE's last forecast and up 40 cent from last year.
For the entire summer driving season, April through September, the DOE predicts unleaded regular will average $2.28 a gallon, 38 cents more than a year ago. Almost of that rise is due to the sharply higher cost of crude oil, which the Energy Department figures is up 37 cents a gallon from last year, mostly due to strong demand from China and the United States.
But the DOE also says that American drivers are to blame for shrugging off the high prices and chugging more gas than ever in big and thirsty vehicles.
GUY CARUSO, EIA ADMINISTRATOR: Every year, the average vehicle's weight and horsepower have been increasing over the last five to 10 years. And that's contributing to the combination of heavier vehicles, more horsepower, and increased highway travel.
HUNTINGTON: Crude oil stockpiles are actually higher than they were a year ago, but the Department of Energy says the nation's oil refineries are already producing as much gasoline as possible. It's a bottleneck problem that is the talk of the trading pits.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fear is, even though gasoline has showed some weakness and we've seen inventories not be too terribly low, the fear is a strong demand for gasoline will out-pace what the refining capacity of this country is able to pump.
HUNTINGTON: While the cost of crude accounts for more than 50 percent of the price of gas at the pumps, oil companies certainly play a role, using so-called zone pricing to get the most out of each and every gas station. Finally, there is the price momentum, created by investors flooding into the hottest market on Wall Street.
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HUNTINGTON: And we called the folks at AAA and asked them what they thought it might mean in terms of a cost increase for a summer vacation driving trip across country. And here are the numbers, Kyra, that they gave us.
If you are lucky enough to have a car that can average 25 miles a gallon and you want to take a trip cross country, LA to New York, or vice versa, you're going to pay about $519 for gasoline. That's up about 90 bucks from the same time a year ago. That's using the price projection for May at $2.35 a gallon.
PHILLIPS: Oh, I guess in some cases a plane ticket would be cheaper. Chris Huntington, thanks.
Other news "Across America." We could soon see more daylight savings time. Congress is considering extending DST by two months, having it start on the first Sunday in March and end on the last Sunday in November. It's all part of a plan to save energy. One estimate puts the savings at 10,000 barrels of oil a day.
Discovery made a short but very slow trip, and is now at its launch pad. The space shuttle arrived early this morning. Its 10- hour trip from hangar to launch pad was briefly delayed after workers had discovered a tiny crack in the foam insulation on its fuel tank.
It's scheduled to lift off in May. That's the first shuttle mission since Columbia broke up in 2003.
Now watch this. Oh, yeah. That's professional gator hunting, Todd Hardwick. That's right, trying to subdue a 9-foot, 200-pound gator on the shore of a canal near Miami.
Well, you wouldn't think it, but he succeeded. Suffered an injury when he, I guess, was having a problem grappling with the hook. Yeah, kind of stuck him, got a little bloody. But they're both alive and well, thank goodness.
Well, a wet and late start to the 69th PGA Masters in Augusta, right here in Georgia. Players finally teed off under overcast skies after a 5.5 hour delay caused by severe thunderstorms.
We're going to get the latest now from our Patrick Snell. The show's always got to go on.
Hi, Patrick.
SNELL: Hi, Kyra. Thanks very much for joining us. Welcome to a soggy and rather downtrodden Augusta National.
Yes, the weather jinx here, the rain in particular, has struck once again. For four straight years now, this tournament has been affected in some form by the inclementant weather and, in principle, the precipitation that seems to blight this tournament year in, year out.
But thousands of fans were eager and champing at the bit to try to get into this 69th Masters, the first major of the 2005 golfing season. The rain certainly wasn't going to deter them. And they were poring in.
And as you say, play is under way. It got under way about 45 minutes ago. The players anxious to tee it off. And that they did, with the weather protective gear on.
As I say, those fans poring onto the course. It is going to get rather muddy underfoot.
A 5.5 hour delay in total before playing did get under way. And what the organizers have done here, basically they've introduced the two tee start system, whereby, to minimize disruption to this tournament, a bunch of players will basically tee it off from hole number one and concurrently from hole number 10 as well. The idea being that as much play can be got through as possible before more scheduled thunderstorms and rain do strike later this day. Of course, forecasters expect it to be also poor through Friday as well.
So how does this weather delay -- how does it affect the players? Well, all eyes, of course, many of them on the world number two. Yes, we have to say that Tiger Woods is no longer officially the world number one. And there's nothing that irks him more than being world number two, playing second fiddle to Vijay Singh.
Now, Woods, of course, has been spending much of the preparation build-up to this tournament talking about his game reconstruction. The reconstruction of his swing, which he believes will see him return eventually as a much bigger and better, more prolific golfer than ever before.
Now, somewhat of a slump for the Californian. And I say "slump" because by his very high standards, he is undergoing somewhat of a drought.
Would you believe he's now gone 10 major championships without a single victory? This would be the 11th. And he is determined, whether he admits it publicly or not, to try and prove some of the growing number of his critics wrong.
Let's quickly bring in Mike Weir. He's the 2003 champion from Canada. He's one of the players who is set to benefit from these conditions.
They reckon that the inclement weather will kind of level off this course and give other players, those of medium to long range after (ph) tee some sort of a chance. I think the weather conditions certainly open up this tournament. It should be a thrilling four days of golf -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: I'll tell you what, I'll be watching. Patrick Snell, thank you so much.
Well, straight ahead, Britain prepares for the wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles.
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LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": When you met Ted Turner, he even said he has friends who are communists, right? He thought you were a communist.
JANE FONDA, ACTRESS: Well, I don't know what he thought, Larry.
KING: Well, what did he say that for?
FONDA: Our very first date, we barely got in the car and sat down and he turned to me like a little boy bringing home good grades and said, "I have lots friends who are communists."
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PHILLIPS: Jane Fonda might admit that she's been called worse things. The actress spoke with Larry King about dating CNN founder Ted Turner. Fonda also revealed her relationship with Turner now after their divorce.
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KING: You still love him?
FONDA: I do. I do. We love each other. We see each other.
KING: You see each other? You date?
FONDA: Yes, we do. Kind of, you know. He's got girlfriends, and I sometimes see them and have dinner with them and give them points.
Women who loved him always love him. When I met him, his girlfriend had been a woman who -- her name was J.J. Is J.J.
KING: I know J.J.
FONDA: You know J.J.
KING: The pilot.
FONDA: And she wrote me a little manual called "Users Manual," and it was tips about how to handle him.
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PHILLIPS: The actress-activist also apologized once again for the infamous incident that earned her the moniker "Hanoi Jane." Fonda says that she sent the wrong message in her famous photos from Vietnam back in 1972.
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FONDA: I'm sorry that I was photographed sitting on an antiaircraft gun, me. That that image made soldiers think that I was against American soldiers. And I had spent two years prior to going there working with soldiers.
They brought me into the antiwar movement. It was what I had heard from them and learned from that that turned me against the war.
Because, before then, I came to the antiwar movement really late. You know, I thought that it was -- I neatly compartmentalized it, and not wanted to admit that it was very different than the war my father had fought in.
And I spent two years trying to help and support antiwar GIs and returning Vietnam veterans. And I opened an office in Washington called the GI Office, and then eventually I made "Coming Home."
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PHILLIPS: Jane Fonda with our Larry King. She's out with a new book.
Well, the FDA has told Pfizer to pull its painkiller Bextra off the market. Susan Lisovicz joins us now live from the New York Stock Exchange with more on this.
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures from the Vatican. Millions of people in Rome to pay respects to the pope. This hour, John Paul II's final thoughts revealed in his will.
Gas prices going up. Why are they so high? The scoop on what's fueling the rise.
Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles set to wed. Our CNN cameras go to Cornwall, where some of the locals are less than thrilled by their new duchess.
A crusty conservative has a change of heart. CNN "CROSSFIRE" co- host Robert Novak opens up about the moment he found a new faith.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles is off today. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
Five days after his death, one day before his funeral, Pope John Paul II in his own words. The late pontiff's reflections, devotions, intentions are spelled out in a captivating detail in his 15-page spiritual testament made public in Vatican City. In essence, it's John Paul's will, something else for the pilgrims to ponder while they push with a now-or-never urgency into St. Peter's Basilica.
The pope writes that the church's jubilee year of 2000 gave him pause to wonder how much longer god wanted him to go on. Early in his papacy, he writes that he considered requesting burial in his beloved Poland, but later he decided to live that up to the College of Cardinals. They, as you know, sided with tradition. And since John Paul isn't coming to them, some two million Poles are coming to John Paul.
Time is running out to pay respects. We just heard the line is closed two hours before the basilica closes to prepare for tomorrow.
CNN's Jennifer Eccleston has the latest now from St. Peter's Square.
Hi, Jen.
JENNIFER ECCLESTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Kyra.
Well, that's right, about an hour ago, they announced that the line was closed, that no more pilgrims would be able to get on that line to go into the basilica and see the body of Pope John Paul II to say their final farewell. So, as you can see, I'm going to ask the cameraman to pan over to the crowd. These people who are along the line, some several thousand will be the only ones allowed, the last ones allowed to go through the door of St. Peter's Basilica and view the body of Pope John Paul II.
Now, they had announced last night that they closed the line at 10:00 p.m. because the logistics of getting the people inside were just too impossible before preparations for the funeral tomorrow were under way. Now, they said at that stage, from the back of the line, it was taking 12 to 15 hours to get into the basilica. Somewhere over the night that changed, because people were going home when they announced they had to close the line at 10:00.
And they realized that it was now taking people only about five or six hours to get into the basilica. So they opened up the line, and that was a great relief to the hundreds of thousand, some say millions, of Polish pilgrims that had been coming into Rome to say their final farewell to their native son, Pope John Paul II. They have been able to stream through these lines.
And if you can see behind me, there are countless Polish flags, from their national flag to their state flags, holding up signs of adoration and affection to Pope John Paul II. But as we know, that line is coming to an end. And in about two hours, the doors of St. Peter's will close and the final preparations will be under way to make way for tomorrow's 10:00 a.m. funeral mass -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Jen, just real quickly, did you get to talk with any of those Poles? And how did they feel about the fact that the pope -- and there's of course talk about his heart possibly going back to Poland to be buried there in the cathedral. Are they comfortable with that, that tradition has now taken over what will happen?
ECCLESTON: Well, it's a mixed view, actually. Those that I've spoken to earlier, the earlier people that got on the line, were -- basically told me it really was up to the pope.
If the pope had laid out a plan that he wanted to be buried with tradition with the other popes in the grotto beneath St. Peter's Basilica, then they would absolutely respect that wish. But then there were those, others who said as he is the native son, as he is revered so much in Poland, as he is not only a great figure the of church, but also a political figure, that they thought it would be fitting for him to come home.
And some of them even said they don't care what part of him comes home, as long as some part remains in Poland. And that remains to be seen -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, it's got to be amazing for them to even be there. Now, I've got to ask you, Jen, once the door closes, what happens to all these thousands and thousands of people outside the basilica? Will they stay there, will they gather, will they watch the ceremony on a big screen? I know there were some set up there in the square.
ECCLESTON: That's a good question. We were wondering the same thing ourselves, because even though this line is closed, there are thousands of people off on the side streets here on the Vatican.
We do understand that many of those people have put up their sleeping bags, they're planning to spend the night so they can be here when the mass starts at 10:00 a.m. in the morning. Now, it's unclear whether the security concerns, given the fact that there are so many dignitaries, so many heads of state, kings, queens, and so many presidents and prime ministers who will be coming from Mexico to Malaysia, it's not clear whether they'll actually let them stay there. But they're putting up their tents, they're putting up their sleeping bags, they're planning to spend the night.
But officials are asking them -- it's gone over every media outlet in this country, through the papers, through the television, and also through text messages, that they would need to leave this area and go to a place where they can watch it on those big screen TVs. There's several of them throughout the Vatican area.
There are also many that that have been put up around Rome so that the millions of people they're expecting tomorrow -- they may not be able to be here to experience the event, but they will also able to take part of it, outside of the Vatican center -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, it's beautiful inside and outside there in St. Peter's Square. Jennifer Eccleston, thanks so much.
President Bush has been in Rome for almost a day now. He and his two immediate predecessors paid courtesy calls today on the president and prime minister of Italy, having bypassed the lines late yesterday to visit the remains of the pope.
Many members of Congress have traveled to Rome as well, including the Catholic whom Mr. Bush defeated in the 2004 election. John Kerry arrived on crutches, having recently undergone surgery on his right knee. You can see Senator Kennedy right next to him, too.
Well, more particulars today on the proceedings that will follow John Paul's burial. The cardinals decided the disgraced American cardinal, Bernard Law, former archbishop of Boston, will celebrate one of nine masses in the late pope's honor before the conclave to choose a successor.
That's not likely to sit well with the many in Boston and beyond who accused Law of deliberately ignoring decades of sexual abuse of children perpetrated by priests under his command. CNN's Gary Tuchman reports that some blame John Paul as well.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They had all come to Boston's Cathedral of the Holy Cross for the same reason, to honor, remember and pray for Pope John Paul II.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We loved him. And we had to honor him by being here.
TUCHMAN: But among some at the mass, an sense of confusion and disappointment still lingers about why more was not done about the clergy sexual abuse scandal that still deeply affects Boston.
(on camera): Does that bother you at all that the pope didn't speak out more about it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, sure. Yes.
TUCHMAN: Tell me why.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he was in a position to have possibly done more about it.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Bernie McDaid watches the TV coverage. Asked this former altar boy his feelings about the pope and he'll say his pontiff was...
BERNIE MCDAID, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: A good man. He's obviously done good things in the world. I see that.
TUCHMAN: But McDaid also says he was repeatedly molested as a boy by a priest who used to pick him up at home. Reverend Joseph Birmingham was accused of molesting dozen of boys. He died in 1989. McDaid is one of more than 500 people who've received a financial settlement from the Boston church.
MCDAID: I remember my poor mother catching me hiding in the back yard, going, "How dare you hide from a priest?" And I couldn't tell her. And I was made to go off in the car. I'm like, "Oh, here we go." You know?
TUCHMAN: McDaid says his life has never been the same. And it's colored his view of the man who led the Catholic Church.
MCDAID : He didn't come out with what I consider a full apology of this issue and to promote any awareness of the damage that had occurred through his church.
TUCHMAN: Many believe the Vatican response to the problem was too little, too late. After the former Boston archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law was forced to resign over the far-reaching impact of clergy sexual abuse in his archdiocese, there were hard feelings in Boston that the pope gave him a comparable position in Rome, in which he'll still participate in the conclave to select a new pope.
PROF. THOMAS GROOME, BOSTON COLLEGE: The perception I think would be as well that he himself was not proactive in his response to it. No, I think a lot of that was because he was sick and elderly, and maybe his lieutenants weren't giving him full reports and so on. But there is a sense the Boston Catholics have that the pope never quite got it.
TUCHMAN: John Paul II is loved in Boston.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think after Christ and the Virgin Mary, he was the third.
TUCHMAN: But for some, that love is complex. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Boston.
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PHILLIPS: Well, for the millions of people who flocked to Rome, this journey amounts to a mission. Especially for the 100-plus men who will elect the pope's successor, the cardinals. More on them now from CNN's Jim Bittermann.
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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's not easy to become a member of this club, the cardinals, who are the pope's closest associates in life and elect his successor when he dies. All started as priests.
The Catholic Church has more than 400,000 priests. Most all cardinals also were once bishops. But you can't become a bishop without the personal approval of the pope. There are more than 4,000 bishops.
And to become a cardinal, you've got to be a bishop who has caught the eye of the pope in one way or another. All but three of the cardinals eligible to vote for his replacement were named by Pope John Paul II. But does that mean they had to share the pope's views on key issues to get the promotion? The cardinal from London thinks not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So there's a lot we have in common, but we have -- we're different, different kind of characters. And that's the great thing, the church is united, and yet there's great diversity, both in the characters that inhabit it...
BITTERMANN: The fact is the cardinals vary widely in their backgrounds, experience and their opinions. Pastoral cardinals, those who work out in the real world with its real problems, tend to see things differently from those working in the Vatican bureaucracy.
A cardinal from AIDS-stricken South Africa, for instance, always maintained the pope's line on the use of condoms, but looks the other way when his flock practices so-called safe sex anyway.
The cardinal from Belgium believes it's time for another churchwide council like Vatican II to look at all sorts of issues that have cropped up since.
The cardinal from Vienna thinks the church needs to look again at issues like the role of women in the church and celibacy.
Everyone is coming to Rome with a different agenda.
REV. THOMAS REESE, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Different parts of the world are coming with different issues trying to find one man who can fulfill this whole big job description.
BITTERMANN: The man who filled it last time was himself a surprise, at least in part because he did tolerate some diversity. Some of the pope's men are more hard-lined than the pope was himself.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger called homosexuality an intrinsic moral evil, whereas someone like this California-based Cardinal Roger Mahony has established an outreach ministries for homosexuals.
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: On many, many questions these people just simply don't think alike. You have to remember, Jim, that the College of Cardinals is not an organism that has a single will and intellect.
BITTERMANN: And so, if while they might all look alike in their red (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the looks can deceive. Many cardinals have towed the line and bided their time, waiting for exactly this moment.
(on camera): One American priest used to say, "There's nothing deader than a dead pope." Meaning that when a pope passes away, no one feels any obligation to follow the wishes or echo the views of the previous pope when it comes to evaluating what the church may need from the next one.
Jim Bittermann, CNN, Rome.
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PHILLIPS: Straight ahead, graphic allegations in the Michael Jackson case. A former security guard testifies about what he saw the pop singer do. We're going to have a live report from the courthouse later on LIVE FROM.
Actress Jane Fonda opens up to CNN's Larry King about life and a marriage to Ted Turner.
PATRICK SNELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And I'm Patrick Snell at Augusta National, as the 69th Masters finally get under way after a five-hour rain delay. I'll have that when LIVE FROM continues.
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PHILLIPS: Forgive the pun, but gas prices have just hit another milestone. The numbers at the pump went up again today.
And those in the know tell us they're set to rise even further. With summer just around the corner, that's not good news at all.
So what's behind the rapid rise? Let's bring in Chris Huntington, live from New York. He's going to tear up more $2 bills for us.
CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra, I'm all out of $2 bills today. They've been torn up long before.
You know, it's not a surprise that gas prices are continuing to move higher. We've been hearing this now for several months. It is surprising, though, by how much more the Department of Energy is now predicting those prices will move in the next month or so.
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HUNTINGTON (voice-over): Prepare to pump up your wallet with even more cash for gas this summer. The Department of Energy now predicts nationwide gas prices will average $2.35 for a gallon of unleaded regular next month, up 20 cents from the DOE's last forecast and up 40 cent from last year.
For the entire summer driving season, April through September, the DOE predicts unleaded regular will average $2.28 a gallon, 38 cents more than a year ago. Almost of that rise is due to the sharply higher cost of crude oil, which the Energy Department figures is up 37 cents a gallon from last year, mostly due to strong demand from China and the United States.
But the DOE also says that American drivers are to blame for shrugging off the high prices and chugging more gas than ever in big and thirsty vehicles.
GUY CARUSO, EIA ADMINISTRATOR: Every year, the average vehicle's weight and horsepower have been increasing over the last five to 10 years. And that's contributing to the combination of heavier vehicles, more horsepower, and increased highway travel.
HUNTINGTON: Crude oil stockpiles are actually higher than they were a year ago, but the Department of Energy says the nation's oil refineries are already producing as much gasoline as possible. It's a bottleneck problem that is the talk of the trading pits.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fear is, even though gasoline has showed some weakness and we've seen inventories not be too terribly low, the fear is a strong demand for gasoline will out-pace what the refining capacity of this country is able to pump.
HUNTINGTON: While the cost of crude accounts for more than 50 percent of the price of gas at the pumps, oil companies certainly play a role, using so-called zone pricing to get the most out of each and every gas station. Finally, there is the price momentum, created by investors flooding into the hottest market on Wall Street.
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HUNTINGTON: And we called the folks at AAA and asked them what they thought it might mean in terms of a cost increase for a summer vacation driving trip across country. And here are the numbers, Kyra, that they gave us.
If you are lucky enough to have a car that can average 25 miles a gallon and you want to take a trip cross country, LA to New York, or vice versa, you're going to pay about $519 for gasoline. That's up about 90 bucks from the same time a year ago. That's using the price projection for May at $2.35 a gallon.
PHILLIPS: Oh, I guess in some cases a plane ticket would be cheaper. Chris Huntington, thanks.
Other news "Across America." We could soon see more daylight savings time. Congress is considering extending DST by two months, having it start on the first Sunday in March and end on the last Sunday in November. It's all part of a plan to save energy. One estimate puts the savings at 10,000 barrels of oil a day.
Discovery made a short but very slow trip, and is now at its launch pad. The space shuttle arrived early this morning. Its 10- hour trip from hangar to launch pad was briefly delayed after workers had discovered a tiny crack in the foam insulation on its fuel tank.
It's scheduled to lift off in May. That's the first shuttle mission since Columbia broke up in 2003.
Now watch this. Oh, yeah. That's professional gator hunting, Todd Hardwick. That's right, trying to subdue a 9-foot, 200-pound gator on the shore of a canal near Miami.
Well, you wouldn't think it, but he succeeded. Suffered an injury when he, I guess, was having a problem grappling with the hook. Yeah, kind of stuck him, got a little bloody. But they're both alive and well, thank goodness.
Well, a wet and late start to the 69th PGA Masters in Augusta, right here in Georgia. Players finally teed off under overcast skies after a 5.5 hour delay caused by severe thunderstorms.
We're going to get the latest now from our Patrick Snell. The show's always got to go on.
Hi, Patrick.
SNELL: Hi, Kyra. Thanks very much for joining us. Welcome to a soggy and rather downtrodden Augusta National.
Yes, the weather jinx here, the rain in particular, has struck once again. For four straight years now, this tournament has been affected in some form by the inclementant weather and, in principle, the precipitation that seems to blight this tournament year in, year out.
But thousands of fans were eager and champing at the bit to try to get into this 69th Masters, the first major of the 2005 golfing season. The rain certainly wasn't going to deter them. And they were poring in.
And as you say, play is under way. It got under way about 45 minutes ago. The players anxious to tee it off. And that they did, with the weather protective gear on.
As I say, those fans poring onto the course. It is going to get rather muddy underfoot.
A 5.5 hour delay in total before playing did get under way. And what the organizers have done here, basically they've introduced the two tee start system, whereby, to minimize disruption to this tournament, a bunch of players will basically tee it off from hole number one and concurrently from hole number 10 as well. The idea being that as much play can be got through as possible before more scheduled thunderstorms and rain do strike later this day. Of course, forecasters expect it to be also poor through Friday as well.
So how does this weather delay -- how does it affect the players? Well, all eyes, of course, many of them on the world number two. Yes, we have to say that Tiger Woods is no longer officially the world number one. And there's nothing that irks him more than being world number two, playing second fiddle to Vijay Singh.
Now, Woods, of course, has been spending much of the preparation build-up to this tournament talking about his game reconstruction. The reconstruction of his swing, which he believes will see him return eventually as a much bigger and better, more prolific golfer than ever before.
Now, somewhat of a slump for the Californian. And I say "slump" because by his very high standards, he is undergoing somewhat of a drought.
Would you believe he's now gone 10 major championships without a single victory? This would be the 11th. And he is determined, whether he admits it publicly or not, to try and prove some of the growing number of his critics wrong.
Let's quickly bring in Mike Weir. He's the 2003 champion from Canada. He's one of the players who is set to benefit from these conditions.
They reckon that the inclement weather will kind of level off this course and give other players, those of medium to long range after (ph) tee some sort of a chance. I think the weather conditions certainly open up this tournament. It should be a thrilling four days of golf -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: I'll tell you what, I'll be watching. Patrick Snell, thank you so much.
Well, straight ahead, Britain prepares for the wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles.
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LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": When you met Ted Turner, he even said he has friends who are communists, right? He thought you were a communist.
JANE FONDA, ACTRESS: Well, I don't know what he thought, Larry.
KING: Well, what did he say that for?
FONDA: Our very first date, we barely got in the car and sat down and he turned to me like a little boy bringing home good grades and said, "I have lots friends who are communists."
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PHILLIPS: Jane Fonda might admit that she's been called worse things. The actress spoke with Larry King about dating CNN founder Ted Turner. Fonda also revealed her relationship with Turner now after their divorce.
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KING: You still love him?
FONDA: I do. I do. We love each other. We see each other.
KING: You see each other? You date?
FONDA: Yes, we do. Kind of, you know. He's got girlfriends, and I sometimes see them and have dinner with them and give them points.
Women who loved him always love him. When I met him, his girlfriend had been a woman who -- her name was J.J. Is J.J.
KING: I know J.J.
FONDA: You know J.J.
KING: The pilot.
FONDA: And she wrote me a little manual called "Users Manual," and it was tips about how to handle him.
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PHILLIPS: The actress-activist also apologized once again for the infamous incident that earned her the moniker "Hanoi Jane." Fonda says that she sent the wrong message in her famous photos from Vietnam back in 1972.
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FONDA: I'm sorry that I was photographed sitting on an antiaircraft gun, me. That that image made soldiers think that I was against American soldiers. And I had spent two years prior to going there working with soldiers.
They brought me into the antiwar movement. It was what I had heard from them and learned from that that turned me against the war.
Because, before then, I came to the antiwar movement really late. You know, I thought that it was -- I neatly compartmentalized it, and not wanted to admit that it was very different than the war my father had fought in.
And I spent two years trying to help and support antiwar GIs and returning Vietnam veterans. And I opened an office in Washington called the GI Office, and then eventually I made "Coming Home."
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PHILLIPS: Jane Fonda with our Larry King. She's out with a new book.
Well, the FDA has told Pfizer to pull its painkiller Bextra off the market. Susan Lisovicz joins us now live from the New York Stock Exchange with more on this.
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