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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures once again from the Vatican as the world watches for smoke to come out of this chimney, signaling whether the cardinals have voted on a new pope. So what's going on behind these closed doors at the Sistine Chapel? We have extensive live coverage of what the cardinals are considering in their election.
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PHILLIPS: Terrifying times at sea. A freak 70-foot wave turns a vacation cruise into a nightmare.

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles worked the early shift today. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

The conclave convenes, and for the first time in history the whole world watches. Up to a point.

We saw the morning mass here, the solemn procession, the swearing of oaths. We heard the call to conservatism, the invocation of the spirit, the Litany of the Saints, and finally the cry of extra omnes, everybody out, at which point 115 cardinals from 52 countries left the world to watch the Sistine Chapel chimney for clues as to what's going on inside.

Well, no smoke yet, black or white or otherwise. But you'll see it first on the live picture. We're keeping it up continually in the corner of your screen. We're also checking in every few minutes with our team of correspondents and analysts. Among them, Delia Gallagher, CNN Vatican expert and contributing editor of the publication "Inside the Vatican."

Delia, good to see you. Where do we stand right now?

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Hi, Kyra.

Well, we're still waiting for the smoke. It's been three-and-a- half hours since they've entered into the conclave. Not three-and-a- half hours of voting. Let's be clear.

They had at least an hour which we saw the procession and the swearing, Then they will have had, once the doors close, behind those doors, we do know that they had a meditation, a speech given by one of the senior cardinals, and then the voting ballots were handed out.

Now, the tradition calls for the voting ballots to be handed out, each cardinal to hand write his choice, and then walk up to the altar and put it into the chalice. Then those votes have to be counted. So this is a process in itself which will take at least an hour and a half. So we are expecting momentarily to see some smoke.

Now, there is also the possibility, Kyra, that they didn't vote this afternoon. Because one of the things they do when they close the doors is the senior cardinal, Ratzinger, has to ask if there are any other matters which they would like to be addressed. So it's entirely possible, we don't know, that they wanted to clarify some matters and they didn't take a vote today. So this remains to be seen.

PHILLIPS: Well, speaking of clarifying matters, a lot of things have been clarified for us as we've been doing so much coverage on this process, just learning all little facts and details. Will you tell the story of conclave, the word "conclave," what it refers to?

GALLAGHER: Kyra, excuse me. I think...

PHILLIPS: Yes. Are we seeing smoke?

GALLAGHER: I think we're seeing some smoke. The crowd -- the crowd is cheering. And it looks -- it looks like we've got some -- I'm going to call it black. I hope that's right.

PHILLIPS: It looks black. Well, it looks like it from our screen.

GALLAGHER: It looks like it to me.

PHILLIPS: Well, it does look like it from our screen. Yes, it does. It does look like black smoke.

GALLAGHER: It looks like black to us.

PHILLIPS: All right. So, Delia, if indeed that was black smoke we just saw -- and we're working to confirm that, because I can never trust the video monitors -- and, of course, you're at a certain spot -- now, what does that mean? If indeed it's...

Oh, now, wait a minute. Now we're looking at another shot. Oh, boy. That's got to be clouds.

GALLAGHER: Yes.

PHILLIPS: Oh, wait a minute. There's the smoke again. Delia, it might have been...

GALLAGHER: Well, it's very tough to tell. We've got two monitors, and one is looking -- we're going to have to wait for a confirmation because...

PHILLIPS: It looks like white now.

GALLAGHER: ... this is the difficulty of calling the smoke.

PHILLIPS: No, now it looks black. OK, now that is black, Delia. We're not hearing bells either.

GALLAGHER: That looks -- we're not hearing the bells. So that gives us some idea. I think that's black smoke.

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PHILLIPS: No...

GALLAGHER: This is the tough call.

PHILLIPS: Delia, I can see this popping up on all the late night shows now, right? David Letterman, everybody else, "Is the smoke white? Is it black?"

GALLAGHER: Is it black, is it white?

PHILLIPS: Yes.

GALLAGHER: Well, you see, we joked about it beforehand because you think it's obvious, but it's not so simple, is it? Because that -- against that night sky is a tough call. But I think we can say that that's black. I don't have it confirmed, but I'm going to risk it and say it's black.

PHILLIPS: All right. I'm with you.

Now -- now, that we pretty much 99.9 percent are sure that that is black smoke, what does this mean? What do the cardinals do now? How do things resume come tonight, tomorrow, as we look at a live picture now from St. Peter's Square?

Beautiful night scene as the smoke comes out of the chimney and sort of veers off into the night. Tell us what's next.

GALLAGHER: Well, I have to say, Kyra, that thousands of people have come down to St. Peter's Square to see this. Earlier in the afternoon, when the cardinals went into the conclave, it wasn't so full. But they all came down for this moment.

They've been cheering wildly for this black smoke. But, of course, black smoke means no pope has been chosen. That's something which we pretty much expected for the first vote.

The first vote is really a chance for the cardinals to see where everybody is going. They have had a chance to talk privately about this, but not altogether, not collectively to see how the process is moving in a collective sense. So they've decided a no vote for tonight.

They go back to their hotel, as it were, the Casa Santa Marta, have a little dinner, talk about it some more. And this is really where it starts to get interesting for them, because they probably have an idea now who are the top candidates.

This is the thing that the cardinals know that we don't, the top candidates, one or two names, three or four, probably. And they will have a better idea where it's breaking down.

Now, one scenario you could say is that two candidates, a conservative and a liberal, let us say, for -- to explain it easier, would have had the majority of the votes. And what can happen now is either one of those candidates can get the backing of the rest because they say, well, anyway, it looks like it's going in this direction, or they can hold back and say, no, we want to go for the compromise candidate.

That's where you see the interesting sort of third tier candidates coming out. And that's where we may get a possible candidate from Latin America or from one of the countries not always discussed.

So this is where I think for the cardinals it will get interesting. They've got an idea now. They've got a first vote.

They themselves know who are the people that are the frontrunners. But it's not for sure that the frontrunners end up pope. That's historically been the case.

PHILLIPS: Now, Delia, when you say they'll know the frontrunners, tell me again how many cardinals count the votes. How many cardinals take a look at that count to make sure it's spot on? And then does -- do all 115 cardinals know what it's been whittled down to?

GALLAGHER: Yes, absolutely. When the cardinals drop their ballot into the urn, they're taken out by three scrutineers, three counters, who are also cardinals, voting cardinals themselves. They are chosen at the beginning of the event when the doors are closed. They are chosen, and those three count.

There are another through who control that, who double check the counting, and the names are read out as they are counted. So each cardinal can also keep a tally. Those tallies, by the way, also have to be burned at the end so there is no record from the cardinals. But there is one official record which gets placed in the papal archives.

So there is a record of all of the ballots that are taken, and the cardinals know all of the names. They, of course, do not know who voted for whom, but they know how many votes were received by cardinal A, by cardinal B, et cetera.

So in this first ballot, one could assume that there might be even sort of 10 names of cardinals, because it's not set yet that they have all gone behind one or two candidates. So that's why the first vote is so important, because you would have two top candidates getting the majority of the votes, presumably.

It's been talked a lot in these days, Cardinal Ratzinger, the German cardinal; Cardinal Martini, the Italian, a little bit more progressive; or Cardinal Tettamanzi, in a similar line. But there are individuals. They can vote for whomever they wish.

So you might end up with a list of 10 names. The cardinals inside know who those top 10 are. So there may be some interesting surprises there. And tonight they can talk about, do we want to get behind one of those surprise names, one of the names on the bottom of the list?

Karol Wojtyla was on the bottom of the list for his conclave. So you never know who could come up and who goes down.

So that's what's interesting to watch in the ballots. But, of course, the ballots are never made official. We do not officially ever know what the counts are.

That secret ballot is put into the papal archives, only opened by the pope or with authorization from the pope. So the best we get is some of the cardinals will tell us maybe later where the votes were headed.

PHILLIPS: Well, Delia, as you can imagine, I have a million questions for you. Stay with us.

We want to check in with Alessio Vinci, because he's down there in the square with all the thousands and thousands of people that have been waiting for this moment. If you're just tuning in, once again, live pictures.

You're looking at the Sistine Chapel chimney. Black smoke is what you're seeing, which, of course, means to this -- at this moment a pope has not been elected. The first vote completed. That means they'll go into the second round.

Alessio Vinci down there in the middle of all the people that have showed up to watch for this first moment, the first vote.

What's the reaction, Alessio? What's the talk around you? Give us a feel for what it's like in St. Peter's Square right now.

Alessio, can you hear me?

All right. We're still working on the section with Alessio.

Delia, can you hear me?

GALLAGHER: I'm here, also with Christiane Amanpour, who has been following this with me.

PHILLIPS: OK, very good.

Well, let me -- Christiane, we've got you and Delia. We'll try and get connected with Alessio Vinci down there in St. Peter's Square.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's just -- we can see -- we can see, Kyra, what is going on in St. Peter's Square. We're standing -- sitting right above it. And we can tell you... PHILLIPS: Can you hear?

AMANPOUR: ... that there are...

GALLAGHER: Oh, yes.

AMANPOUR: ... oh, yes, there's been huge applause. And what was really interesting -- in fact, we were just talking about it -- just before the smoke came out of the smokestack, I was thinking in my media kind of way that it's 8:00 in Italy, 8:00 is when news goes on in Italy and across Europe. And I was thinking maybe there will be smoke for the newscast.

Now, who knows why the smoke came at this time, but it certainly came at this time. And to be frank, the people in the square I'm sure saw something before this camera was able to. Because just before you saw the great billowing of smoke, we could already hear applause.

And we were scrutinizing the close-up on our screen, and couldn't yet see the smoke coming out. But we could hear the applause in the square.

And as you can see, perhaps on the wide shot that we have, there are lots of flashbulbs, there are lots of people taking pictures of this event. And, again, to reiterate, there are many, many more people down in that square now than there were earlier this morning, either for the initial mass that took place ahead of the beginning of the secret conclave, or, indeed, for the start of the secret conclave.

It just looks like people have come out of work, have come over here, and are looking for at least some movement on this first day. And now we can be in no doubt that they did, in fact, decide to cast a ballot on the first day, that they have issued so much smoke that there can be no doubt that the ballot was cast, that it is black.

And to be honest, even if it wasn't black, and we were in some doubt, we would have the added aid of bells. It was John Paul II who instituted a help aid for those watching, and that is to have bells ringing if indeed a pope was elected. So...

PHILLIPS: And to help with that moment of confusion, Christiane, as you were getting up there next to Delia, you know, she and I were trying to figure out, is it black, is it white, is it black, is it white? So we were waiting to hear those bells, we didn't hear the bells, so, of course, we know the first vote is being completed.

I'm being told right now we do have -- we have connected with Alessio Vinci. We'll come back to Christiane and Delia, of course. Many questions to ask you. We'll be right back.

But we want to check in with Alessio, as he is down there in St. Peter's Square.

Give us a feel for what people are saying and what it's like down there as the first vote has been completed -- Alessio. ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF: Well, Kyra, there were a few seconds of panic here because at the very beginning it looked like that the smoke was somewhat grayish white and, therefore, for a few seconds here the crowd sort of -- first we heard a timid cheer, and then eventually when the black smoke made its way up through the chimney from down below the Sistine Chapel, we heard a loud cheer.

One certainly got the feeling here in St. Peter's Square tonight that the tens of thousands who had gathered here, they came here just simply because they wanted to see smoke. They really didn't care whether it was going to be white or black. They knew that this was the first vote, the first smoke, and it was unlikely that a pope was going to be selected tonight. But nevertheless, they wanted to be here during this very historical moment.

Now, of course we should remind our viewers that if the smoke is white, simultaneously we are told we should hear the great bells of St. Peter's tolling. And that is a good way, perhaps, for us journalists and the people here in St. Peter's Square to realize that, indeed, if the smoke is not perhaps completely white, if we hear those bells tolling, that is the clearest indication that we're going to get that a pope will be -- actually has been selected, has been elected.

Now, the people are already fast returning home. They've been here for several hours now.

The square is fast emptying itself out. But I can tell you, I really got a feeling here that what it would be like the day actually white smoke will come out of here, because it was already very loud. And all we got tonight was indeed black smoke -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Alessio, are you close enough to the crowd there, to folks there that you might be able to grab a few people to talk to before they all leave the square? I can go back to Delia and Christiane for a moment. But are you able to do that if I give you a few minutes?

VINCI: Let mow try to see. A gentleman here, who has been here throughout this day...

PHILLIPS: Perfect.

VINCI: ... watching us, our position, he is an American. Let me just -- let's improvise a little bit here.

PHILLIPS: Thanks, Alessio.

VINCI: This is live television. Well, let's do it. We can do this. We've done this before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have.

VINCI: Hi. You've been here throughout this day.

First of all, tell me how was your waiting here? What was it like to be here in the square waiting for this puff of smoke coming out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it was wonderful. Some of the people were praying. My wife and I prayed the rosary to inspire the cardinals, and other people were just talking and visiting.

It was just a very wonderful opportunity, very (INAUDIBLE), hearing all the languages of the world here. And it was very exciting when we saw that smoke.

And I immediate thought, it's Cardinal Ratzinger. He did it on the first ballot. And then it turned black, and I thought, well at least we had some drama tonight. And it will be suspenseful, and we've got some -- we can look forward to it tomorrow, as well.

VINCI: Right. Are you going to spend the whole week here waiting for that white smoke?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope I don't have to wait two-and-a-half years, the way they did back in the 13th century. We're going to stay as long as it takes.

VINCI: All right. Well, listen, one more question. You obviously are a practicing Catholic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

VINCI: You were praying the rosary. But do you get a sense perhaps talking to some of the people in the crowd that they're here because this is an historic day, or because it is mainly a religious issue, really, the election of a new pope, or perhaps a mixture of both?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a mixture of both. I mean, we've met people here. We met an Islamic girl who's here, and she was just drawn to this. And she's questioning -- you know, she feels very drawn to the Catholic faith because of Pope John Paul II. And so I think it's just a real exciting time. It's religious, but it's historic also.

VINCI: Now, was there a lot of talk in the square about, you know, who the next pope may be? Were you guys in the square talking among yourselves, you know, this pope would be better, the other pope would be better? I mean, is there any campaigning going on here in the square?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I didn't hear any of that. It was really just small talk, really. Just waiting.

VINCI: I was myself amazed to hear and to see the people here in the square primarily being here because they were curious. I mean, they really didn't care who the next pope would be. They just wanted to be here on this historic day. I mean, it was really amazing to see how such a huge event, which obviously took place last time more than 25 years ago, has drawn so many people here who are not necessarily religious. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had that same sense, too. I thought it was probably two-thirds what I could see was people just kind of the curious, the tourists, and so forth. And then the other third who I think who are people -- they're here, as my wife and I are here, for a real spiritual purpose. And we could even see all the way down to (INAUDIBLE) that it was, you know...

VINCI: Packed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was packed. People walking in the streets.

VINCI: Right. Well, thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's my pleasure.

VINCI: And Kyra, I can tell you that as the voting progresses in the coming days, we do expect to see more people coming here in St. Peter's Square. Watching some footage from the old conclaves, I can tell you, this square behind me will be completely packed. And that was even before the live pictures of -- the television broadcast live pictures of the cardinals actually walking inside the Sistine Chapel just before the master of ceremonies, if you want, ordered everybody out of the room, and for the cardinals to begin their first vote.

So there is a great amount of expectation here in St. Peter's Square. We got black smoke tonight, but I can tell you that in the coming days this square will definitely be the center of the attention of the whole world, and, of course, the people here who are going to gather here to wait for that white smoke to appear from the Sistine Chapel's chimney, as well as, of course, the great bells of St. Peter's to toll.

Back to you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: It's an incredible -- oh, it's an incredible and exciting time. Alessio, stay there. We're going to come back to you. Looking forward to asking you more questions live from St. Peter's Square.

We're also talking with Delia Gallagher, our Vatican analyst, in addition to Christiane Amanpour. We're going to bring you more live coverage as we saw just moments ago the black smoke from the Sistine Chapel's chimney. It means the cardinals have not yet elected a new pope. But we can tell you some names have been called out.

It's gone from 114 cardinals to naming possibly at least 10 names, maybe, Delia Gallagher said, could have been called out. So cardinals know who is in the running and who may be the next pope.

We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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PHILLIPS: Don't let the bell confuse you. Just take a look at this picture from just a few moments ago. That is black smoke that you are seeing billowing out of the chimney there at the Sistine Chapel, which, of course, means the first vote is completed by the 115 cardinals. It also means we all still wait and wonder who the next pope will be. Of course, the election -- the second part of that vote will take place tomorrow.

And for more details of how it's sort of going to unfold from here, let's go back to Delia Gallagher and Christiane Amanpour, as they have been following the news for us.

We are waiting -- actually, I want to tell the you of two to talk with Bishop William Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Bishops. He's going to be joining us in just a moment from Spokane, Washington. But let me ask you both a couple of questions.

Delia, you said that within the 115 cardinals now they have heard actually the names of who may be the pope. Possibly 10 names called out. I can just imagine what's going through the individuals who heard their name, what they're thinking, that they could be the next pope.

GALLAGHER: Exactly.

PHILLIPS: Can you imagine?

GALLAGHER: Yes.

PHILLIPS: And then maybe the other folks thinking, oh, bummer, it's not me.

GALLAGHER: Well, they might be relieved it's not them. You know, it's often said that not many people want to be pope it's such a huge job.

But we don't want to make too much out of 10 names. I don't know, obviously, what the number could be. But I'm just giving an idea that in the first vote, there are usual usually a larger number of names before it has a chance to sort of narrow itself down.

And, you know, it was interesting. We heard with Alessio Vinci in the square, one of the people in the square saying, "Well, I thought it was Cardinal Ratzinger." So Cardinal Ratzinger is a name that a lot of people have talked about just because of his sort of stature in the church and his very obvious conservative stance.

He's an obvious candidate. He's very well respected by many of the cardinals. But he's a very conservative candidate. So we would assume that along with Cardinal Ratzinger there would be somebody to sort of balance that out, somebody a bit more progressive.

So these are just ideas that we were tossing around to give an idea of how it might shake out. But there are many, many other candidates, of course, and anybody can give in one vote for their favorite candidate.

But what happens tomorrow is that the guy that gave one vote tonight for his friend or for somebody he wanted will have to give that vote to somebody else tomorrow because they have to arrive at the 77 majority in order to elect. So at some stage it has to narrow itself down.

And that's why tonight's vote was so important, so they could hear who are the names being called out. And now can really begin discussions.

Because I think the interesting thing here, Kyra, is, amongst these cardinals, there is a lot of reserve. It's not as if they go up to each other and say, well, who are you going to vote for? I'm going to vote for so-and-so.

It's a very quiet and reserved process, even amongst themselves. So I think that they themselves had a lot of discovery, as it were, in tonight's vote.

PHILLIPS: So, Christiane -- and I can just imagine you would want to be sitting at the dinner table tonight with these cardinals as they get ready to go to sleep and get up tomorrow and start the process again -- what can they talk about now? How far can they go, and what is I guess legally right among the cardinals with regard to discussion?

AMANPOUR: Well, they are allowed to discuss. They're not allowed to talk to the outside world. So we will not know. And there doesn't seem to be any inclination towards loose lips to the press.

We'll never know exactly who voted for whom at what point. But what they are allowed to do is discuss amongst themselves.

And as we've been talking in any kind of -- and I hate to use this word, but it's true. In a kind of horse trading that will go on, once the initial vote has taken place and the broad parameters of who may be in the running, obvious then the blocs coalesce around each other. And it's, you know, anybody's guess as to whether one pope will get a two-thirds majority, as we've said, the 77-cardinal vote that is required for a two-thirds majority.

If that's not possible in several ballots, then according to John Paul II's rules, they go to a simple majority after a certain number of ballots. But clearly a lot of this talking, a lot of aligning people on your side has been going on, not just tonight and not just before today's conclave, but in the days ever since Pope John Paul died. All of that has been going on and has been discussed.

PHILLIPS: Christiane Amanpour, Delia Gallagher, they're in Rome following the latest news.

If you're just tuning in, we saw the black smoke within the last 15 minutes coming from the Sistine Chapel's chimney, which, of course, means that a pope has not yet been elected. The second vote will go into process come tomorrow, which should be an interesting evening tonight among the cardinals who voted today. Talking probably a lot about the challenges facing the men meeting right now to elect a new pope. Let's bring in Bishop William Skylstad. He's president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. He joins me now live from Spokane, Washington.

Bishop, pretty exciting moment right now.

BISHOP WILLIAM SKYLSTAD, PRESIDENT, USCCB: Oh, indeed. Just as I walked in the studio I saw the pictures of the black smoke coming from the chimney. Obviously, for the Catholic Church this a very, very significant moment, an historic moment. And I suppose we might say really an historic moment for the world as well as the cardinal electors elect a new pope.

PHILLIPS: I'm curious, Bishop, and I want to get your feeling on this. I asked Delia this, and also Christiane.

Just the fact that names have now been called out, that they are -- that the 115 cardinals have actually heard the names of the man that will be the next pope, a lot of relief in some ways, a lot of added pressure in some ways. What do you think, you know, when you think about the various cardinals, just the emotions that have probably been stirred up by now?

SKYLSTAD: Well, first of all, this is really a very, very important time for the church as we select a new pope. A challenging role to be sure of pastoral leadership in the church, but also dealing with a very complex world and a rapidly changing world in which we live.

I suspect that the -- whatever name surfaced in this first vote will be a matter of discussion or reflection, certainly, but perhaps a matter of discussion amongst the cardinals themselves as they continue their voting process.

PHILLIPS: You bring up a couple of wonderful points. Complex world, indeed, a rapidly changing world, indeed.

Let's talk about a couple of the issues that the new pope will face. And as a bishop, let me ask you this, there has been talk that the next pope, if he does not take I guess radical action, take -- or I guess sort of a radical view in some changes that need to be made, do you think that maybe bishops should be given more autonomy and not leave so much of the day-to-day operations to the Curia?

SKYLSTAD: Well, I think that's always a discussion in the church, to how we interrelate with one another. As we deal with more and more complexity in the church, as we look to instantaneous communication that we have within the church, I think those are issues that need continuing dialogue.

I just returned from Rome last week. Actually was there during the death of the Holy Father and his funeral liturgy. I spent a few sessions with some of the (INAUDIBLE) in discussing issues about the American church. This is a regular visit that we make to the Holy See to discuss these issues. So that discussion will continue. Most of all, I think, for us in the church, we need to be open to the guidance of the holy spirit as we look to the future.

PHILLIPS: And also looking to the future, the talk about attracting more priests, new priests. Looking at the shortage, it's reached epic proportions. If the clergy doesn't marry, if there are not changes made, women becoming priests, how will attracting new priests be tackled? How will this be dealt with? And will the next pope have to look at the 3,000 parishes or so that don't even have a priest at all and maybe look at more progressive ways to change the church?

SKYLSTAD: Well, I think we have to be careful about how we describe those parishes without a resident priest. I think more and more, we're finding a consolidation of parishes where there's need to do that. So, relatively small congregations and rural areas, for example, several parishes may be served by the same pastor. So even though they may not have a resident priest, though, they're well served. However, having said that, I think the church has certainly focused on the future, in terms of vocational enhancement and recruitment, looking to how we might encourage young men to respond to that call -- if God so calls them. That's, I think, an ongoing discussion in the church.

Having said that, there are certain parts of the world where vocations to priesthood have really exploded. When you take a look at, for example, some of the countries in Central and South America, when you look at Africa, for example, tremendous number of vocations.

Here in the United States, it's been a bit of a challenge for us, as we well know, but you know, we go through cycles, as well, and I think living in a very difficult, at times turbulent, moment in which we are, I think it's not unexpected that we go through those cycles of perhaps some scarcity.

But we look to the future certainly with hope and most of all, I think, depending upon how the spirit guides us in calling people to pass to leadership in the church.

PHILLIPS: Bishop William Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, joining us live from Spokane, Washington. Thank you, sir, so much for your time today.

SKYLSTAD: Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. If you're just tuning in, once again, the black smoke continues to rise from the chimney there at the Sistine Chapel. Still no pope elected, but we're following it. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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(STOCK MARKET) PHILLIPS: Boy, terror on the high seas. A Norwegian cruise line ship back in its home port today, after what some people are calling just a nightmare cruise. The seas were already rough when a freak seven-story-high wave tossed the boat about, shaking up those on board. Four passengers were injured and treated for minor cuts and bruises. Two windows were broken. 62 cabins were flooded and passengers say it was absolute chaos.

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ANNE MARIE MCELHAYTON, PASSENGER: It was absolutely the same as watching "The Perfect Storm." The waves were so high. It was scary. I think it was actually a nightmare. It was really, bad. People were with life jackets on the ship -- I would say probably 80 percent of the people thought they were going to die. It definitely went to that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There was major panic on the boat?

MCELHAYTON: There was total panic. People were screaming, shouting.

BRIAN FERGUSON, PASSENGER: We were in a different part of the ship from where that wave hit, so -- but it was like a roller coaster. I mean, that's pretty much the best way we can describe it. It was like being on a roller coaster at Great Adventures.

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PHILLIPS: An official with the Norwegian cruise line says that the safety of their passengers is always their top priority.

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BILL HAMLIN, NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINES: The ship was never in an unsafe situation. The integrity of the ship was in no way compromised by this incident. The ship's hull was not damaged, in spite of the strength of the wave. There was some damage to the superstructure. All repairs were completed and inspected by U.S. Coast Guard prior to departure in Charleston, where the ship was diverted for repairs.

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PHILLIPS: Hamlin says that the captain of the ship has spent 17 years at sea and he's never seen anything like that.

Well, as you can imagine, passengers are eager to share their stories of that stormy cruise. Ellen Tasauro is one of them. She's joining us live from New York. And Ellen, I'm taking it you are never going to go on a cruise again?

ELLEN TASAURO, PASSENGER: That's right, Kyra. Never, never. I could never go through this again.

PHILLIPS: All right, tell us what happened. Tell me where you were and what you started to feel and hear and kind of take us through what went down from there.

TASAURO: OK, well, about 11:30 the night before, which was Friday night, we went back up to our room. Friday morning, that morning it was rocky as could be. We left our room all day. At 11:30 we went up, we said, OK,let's try to go asleep. When we got -- we had a room on the tenth floor in the front of the ship. And all of our furniture was flying all over. Dishes were flying, glasses were flying and it was very dangerous. My husband said, look, we have to get out of this room.

I was hysterical. I didn't know what to do. So my husband said we're going to go to midship, we're going to go the reception area, and we'll see what's going on. We knew that there was a storm. We had seen it on CNN on the ship. You know, on the weather forecast.

PHILLIPS: Well, I'm glad you're watching -- I'm glad CNN was on the ship and you were watching CNN. That was nice. Thank you, Ellen. Go ahead.

TASAURO: Well, you know what, I woke up on Friday morning and I saw a funnel cloud out in the ocean and I woke my husband up and we put CNN on immediately and we saw that storm forecasted out there and I said, what is this captain doing? He's plowing us into the storm. Anyway, as the night went on, we went down to the middle of the ship, the reception area. It was horrendous. It was a nightmare. You were being banged all over. The ship was teetering up and down, up and down.

Then the captain made a left-hand turn. Once he made the left- hand turn, the ship was now rolling side to side. And I said to my husband, the ship's going to tip. We're going in this water. So the two of us said, look, we just have to keep our heads calm and cool and we better think about what we're going to do when we get in that water, because nobody on the ship was doing anything to prevent this. He wasn't slowing down.

And it wasn't just one freak wave, by the way. It was about two or three hours worth of 60-foot waves. It wasn't one just hitting the ship. That one broke the windows, yes. It didn't only break windows, it broke railings, it opened doors to rooms, steel doors, it made it look like tuna cans. We went -- finally on Saturday, we were able to go up to our room to get our belongings out and we saw the damage that was done, and it was horrendous.

PHILLIPS: So did -- well, Ellen, did you hear any type of announcement, any type of emergency procedures go into place? Because you would think when something like that would go down, immediately you'd be told what to do. I mean, every time you go on a cruise, you have to go through the emergency drills before you even take off.

TASAURO: The fierceness started about 2:00 in the morning, when it really started getting fierce and we never heard from the captain till 11:00 that morning. And all -- well, maybe it was 9:30. And he said, we are in no danger whatsoever. The winds are going to get worse, so hold on. And at 11:00 in the morning, he came on and told us, he's putting a conference call in at 11:30 to the Miami office and they'll get back to us with what they decide to do. We never heard from them again 'till about 1:00, I would say, and that's when they told us that we're now being diverted into Charleston. They were waiting for a pilot ship to bring them in.

PHILLIPS: OK. Well, there's got to be a piece of good news here, and that is that you're alive.

TASAURO: Yes.

PHILLIPS: No one has been killed, so that's...

TASAURO: Exactly.

PHILLIPS: So that's the good news here.

TASAURO: Yes, that -- you know what? Graciously, they flew 80 of us home to Newark Airport and my husband and I were hucky enough, because we didn't have a room to get that choice of being flown home. And when we got home, it was the best feeling. It just was.

PHILLIPS: I can just imagine. How about your next vacation? You come to Atlanta, Georgia, visit CNN, OK, take a tour. We have nice B & B's. It will be, you know, much more calm experience for you, Ellen.

TASAURO: You know, Kyra, my husband said, the next vacation, United States on land.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ellen Tasauro, bless you. Glad you're all in one piece. Thank you, Ellen, very much.

TASAURO: Thank you, thank you.

PHILLIPS: Well, straight ahead, wanted: full time couch potato. Boy, I know a lot of those. Must like to watch lots and lots of TV, have a good sense of humor and not mind gaining a few pounds. Well, we're live from L.A. with more details on this dream job. Jack Cafferty.

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PHILLIPS: So are you a professional couch potato? Well, we've got have the Hollywood job just for you.

And she's been missing on film. Now Jodie Foster is making a return to the big screen. CNN's Sibila Vargas, live from L.A., with all those stories and more. Hi, Sibila.

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Kyra.

That's right. It's been three years since Jodie Foster fans have seen their favorite Oscar-winner on the big screen, but soon the wait will be over. Universal Pictures has cast the 42-year-old actress to star opposite Denzel Washington and Clive Owen in "Inside Man." Now, this one's directed by Spike Lee. Foster will play a well-connected lawyer who complicates a hostage situation during a bank robbery. "Inside Man" starts shooting in early summer.

And are you one of the millions of Americans who loves to spend hours upon hours in front of the tube? You know you are. Well, do I have the job for you. Late night funny man Jimmy Kimmel is looking to hire a professional couch potato to watch TV all day long, looking for funny elements for his opening monologue. Now, Kimmel says that a college education and personal hygiene are not necessarily required for the job. Instead, applicants should possess a thumb and offbeat sense of humor. Get that. Thumb and the remote control.

And speaking of offbeat, you wonder how many Elvis impersonators it takes it to make it into the "Guinness Book of World Records"? Well, wonder no more.

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VARGAS: Apparently it takes about a hundred. And get this, Elvis not only left the building, he crossed the pond. These fans didn't set the record in Las Vegas, nope, they did it in London. A British department store was the spot where the group successfully became the most people to impersonate the King at the same time. Kyra, I bet you can guess what they said after setting the record?

PHILLIPS: And that would be?

VARGAS: Ah, thank you. Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: I knew it. I knew I was going to get an Elvis out of Sibila Vargas. All right, thank you, my dear.

VARGAS: Thank you.

PHILLIPS: She's here all week, folks.

All right. Well, have you ever wished that one of those home makeover shows would sweep in and remodel your abode? Well, some families find there's a downside to the TV magic.

PHILLIPS: All right.

Well, you ever wish one of those home makeover shows would sweep in and remodel your abode? Well, some families find there is a downside to the TV magic.

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PHILLIPS: And, taking it to the streets again. Thousands of runners pounding the pavement in the 109th Boston Marathon today. The 26-mile event attracts runners from all around the globe. It's the world's oldest annually contested race. Haliu Negussie from Ethiopia has won the men's division. It's the first time since the '80s that an Ethiopian runner has won the men's title. And Catherine Ndereba from Kenya, being called "Catherine the Great" today, she's the first women to ever win the marathon an unprecedented four times.

Well, many people dream of getting a home makeover on a reality TV show, but for many people that dream has turned into a nightmare. We haven't heard these stories very often. Susan Lisovicz, live from the New York Stock Exchange to explain that. What happened, Susan?

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it sounded great, right, Kyra? They were all smiles and tears of joy when they got their new homes on live TV. Well, guess what, then Uncle Sam came knocking on their doors. According to "Daily Variety," the families featured on the ABC hit show "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" and Fox's "Renovate My Family" got hit with massive tax bills this year, and it's not just about taxes. Some are also griping about high insurance rates, and high utility bills, as well.

This isn't the first time a TV show has had to deal with such problems. You might recall that Oprah Winfrey had similar trouble last year when she gave away all those free cars to everyone in her show's audience, but didn't take the tax bills into account. Maybe they should have a new reality show focusing on life after the giveaways. Kyra?

PHILLIPS: All right. We're going to switch gears here. Target clamping down on cold medicines. What's that about?

LISOVICZ: Well, it's actually a very important issue, Kyra. Target will no longer allow unrestricted access to some cold and allergy medicines and will sell them only from pharmacy counters. That's because some of those medications can be used to make the illegal stimulant methamphetamine. Restrictions apply to all over the counter drugs containing pseudo -- pseudoephdrine (sic). My gosh, I have a hard time with that. But it includes children's medicines, tablets, liquids and gel caps. Target says it's the first major retailer to take such a step.

PHILLIPS: All right, Susan, you're safe, because it's in every cold medicine, so we'll just say cold medicines and their ingredients.

LISOVICZ: Too many syllables. .

PHILLIPS: There you go. All right, thanks, Susan.

The day's top stories are up next.

Plus A-Rod is a-okay. For one young baseball fan, their chance encounter, just ahead on LIVE FROM, we finally get to hear from the little boy.

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PHILLIPS: "Now in the News," the cardinals call it a night. This is what it looked like atop the Sistine Chapel just about an hour ago. The black smoke means the cardinals cast the first ballot of the conclave but did not pick a new pope. More in a live report just ahead.

A Florida man is ordered held without bond in the death of 13- year-old Sarah Lunde. Authorities say that David Onstott confessed to killing Lunde during an argument. Her body was found in a pond Saturday, five days after she was reported missing. Onstott is a convicted sex offender who once dated the girl's mother.

The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser is back on the stand. She's facing more questions from the defense. The mother testified that she was sincere in an interview in which she praised Jackson as a father figure for her children. The pop star is accused of molesting the woman's son.

A possible attack is thwarted in Iraq. Thousands of Iraqi forces under the cover of US helicopters converged on the Salman Pak facility about 20 miles south of Baghdad. A coalition official tells CNN they found a number of weapons as well as a bomb making factory, and at least one 200 pound bomb.

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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures once again from the Vatican as the world watches for smoke to come out of this chimney, signaling whether the cardinals have voted on a new pope. So what's going on behind these closed doors at the Sistine Chapel? We have extensive live coverage of what the cardinals are considering in their election.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't know what was going to happen. I didn't know if we were going under, over.

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PHILLIPS: Terrifying times at sea. A freak 70-foot wave turns a vacation cruise into a nightmare.

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles worked the early shift today. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

The conclave convenes, and for the first time in history the whole world watches. Up to a point.

We saw the morning mass here, the solemn procession, the swearing of oaths. We heard the call to conservatism, the invocation of the spirit, the Litany of the Saints, and finally the cry of extra omnes, everybody out, at which point 115 cardinals from 52 countries left the world to watch the Sistine Chapel chimney for clues as to what's going on inside.

Well, no smoke yet, black or white or otherwise. But you'll see it first on the live picture. We're keeping it up continually in the corner of your screen. We're also checking in every few minutes with our team of correspondents and analysts. Among them, Delia Gallagher, CNN Vatican expert and contributing editor of the publication "Inside the Vatican."

Delia, good to see you. Where do we stand right now?

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Hi, Kyra.

Well, we're still waiting for the smoke. It's been three-and-a- half hours since they've entered into the conclave. Not three-and-a- half hours of voting. Let's be clear.

They had at least an hour which we saw the procession and the swearing, Then they will have had, once the doors close, behind those doors, we do know that they had a meditation, a speech given by one of the senior cardinals, and then the voting ballots were handed out.

Now, the tradition calls for the voting ballots to be handed out, each cardinal to hand write his choice, and then walk up to the altar and put it into the chalice. Then those votes have to be counted. So this is a process in itself which will take at least an hour and a half. So we are expecting momentarily to see some smoke.

Now, there is also the possibility, Kyra, that they didn't vote this afternoon. Because one of the things they do when they close the doors is the senior cardinal, Ratzinger, has to ask if there are any other matters which they would like to be addressed. So it's entirely possible, we don't know, that they wanted to clarify some matters and they didn't take a vote today. So this remains to be seen.

PHILLIPS: Well, speaking of clarifying matters, a lot of things have been clarified for us as we've been doing so much coverage on this process, just learning all little facts and details. Will you tell the story of conclave, the word "conclave," what it refers to?

GALLAGHER: Kyra, excuse me. I think...

PHILLIPS: Yes. Are we seeing smoke?

GALLAGHER: I think we're seeing some smoke. The crowd -- the crowd is cheering. And it looks -- it looks like we've got some -- I'm going to call it black. I hope that's right.

PHILLIPS: It looks black. Well, it looks like it from our screen.

GALLAGHER: It looks like it to me.

PHILLIPS: Well, it does look like it from our screen. Yes, it does. It does look like black smoke.

GALLAGHER: It looks like black to us.

PHILLIPS: All right. So, Delia, if indeed that was black smoke we just saw -- and we're working to confirm that, because I can never trust the video monitors -- and, of course, you're at a certain spot -- now, what does that mean? If indeed it's...

Oh, now, wait a minute. Now we're looking at another shot. Oh, boy. That's got to be clouds.

GALLAGHER: Yes.

PHILLIPS: Oh, wait a minute. There's the smoke again. Delia, it might have been...

GALLAGHER: Well, it's very tough to tell. We've got two monitors, and one is looking -- we're going to have to wait for a confirmation because...

PHILLIPS: It looks like white now.

GALLAGHER: ... this is the difficulty of calling the smoke.

PHILLIPS: No, now it looks black. OK, now that is black, Delia. We're not hearing bells either.

GALLAGHER: That looks -- we're not hearing the bells. So that gives us some idea. I think that's black smoke.

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PHILLIPS: No...

GALLAGHER: This is the tough call.

PHILLIPS: Delia, I can see this popping up on all the late night shows now, right? David Letterman, everybody else, "Is the smoke white? Is it black?"

GALLAGHER: Is it black, is it white?

PHILLIPS: Yes.

GALLAGHER: Well, you see, we joked about it beforehand because you think it's obvious, but it's not so simple, is it? Because that -- against that night sky is a tough call. But I think we can say that that's black. I don't have it confirmed, but I'm going to risk it and say it's black.

PHILLIPS: All right. I'm with you.

Now -- now, that we pretty much 99.9 percent are sure that that is black smoke, what does this mean? What do the cardinals do now? How do things resume come tonight, tomorrow, as we look at a live picture now from St. Peter's Square?

Beautiful night scene as the smoke comes out of the chimney and sort of veers off into the night. Tell us what's next.

GALLAGHER: Well, I have to say, Kyra, that thousands of people have come down to St. Peter's Square to see this. Earlier in the afternoon, when the cardinals went into the conclave, it wasn't so full. But they all came down for this moment.

They've been cheering wildly for this black smoke. But, of course, black smoke means no pope has been chosen. That's something which we pretty much expected for the first vote.

The first vote is really a chance for the cardinals to see where everybody is going. They have had a chance to talk privately about this, but not altogether, not collectively to see how the process is moving in a collective sense. So they've decided a no vote for tonight.

They go back to their hotel, as it were, the Casa Santa Marta, have a little dinner, talk about it some more. And this is really where it starts to get interesting for them, because they probably have an idea now who are the top candidates.

This is the thing that the cardinals know that we don't, the top candidates, one or two names, three or four, probably. And they will have a better idea where it's breaking down.

Now, one scenario you could say is that two candidates, a conservative and a liberal, let us say, for -- to explain it easier, would have had the majority of the votes. And what can happen now is either one of those candidates can get the backing of the rest because they say, well, anyway, it looks like it's going in this direction, or they can hold back and say, no, we want to go for the compromise candidate.

That's where you see the interesting sort of third tier candidates coming out. And that's where we may get a possible candidate from Latin America or from one of the countries not always discussed.

So this is where I think for the cardinals it will get interesting. They've got an idea now. They've got a first vote.

They themselves know who are the people that are the frontrunners. But it's not for sure that the frontrunners end up pope. That's historically been the case.

PHILLIPS: Now, Delia, when you say they'll know the frontrunners, tell me again how many cardinals count the votes. How many cardinals take a look at that count to make sure it's spot on? And then does -- do all 115 cardinals know what it's been whittled down to?

GALLAGHER: Yes, absolutely. When the cardinals drop their ballot into the urn, they're taken out by three scrutineers, three counters, who are also cardinals, voting cardinals themselves. They are chosen at the beginning of the event when the doors are closed. They are chosen, and those three count.

There are another through who control that, who double check the counting, and the names are read out as they are counted. So each cardinal can also keep a tally. Those tallies, by the way, also have to be burned at the end so there is no record from the cardinals. But there is one official record which gets placed in the papal archives.

So there is a record of all of the ballots that are taken, and the cardinals know all of the names. They, of course, do not know who voted for whom, but they know how many votes were received by cardinal A, by cardinal B, et cetera.

So in this first ballot, one could assume that there might be even sort of 10 names of cardinals, because it's not set yet that they have all gone behind one or two candidates. So that's why the first vote is so important, because you would have two top candidates getting the majority of the votes, presumably.

It's been talked a lot in these days, Cardinal Ratzinger, the German cardinal; Cardinal Martini, the Italian, a little bit more progressive; or Cardinal Tettamanzi, in a similar line. But there are individuals. They can vote for whomever they wish.

So you might end up with a list of 10 names. The cardinals inside know who those top 10 are. So there may be some interesting surprises there. And tonight they can talk about, do we want to get behind one of those surprise names, one of the names on the bottom of the list?

Karol Wojtyla was on the bottom of the list for his conclave. So you never know who could come up and who goes down.

So that's what's interesting to watch in the ballots. But, of course, the ballots are never made official. We do not officially ever know what the counts are.

That secret ballot is put into the papal archives, only opened by the pope or with authorization from the pope. So the best we get is some of the cardinals will tell us maybe later where the votes were headed.

PHILLIPS: Well, Delia, as you can imagine, I have a million questions for you. Stay with us.

We want to check in with Alessio Vinci, because he's down there in the square with all the thousands and thousands of people that have been waiting for this moment. If you're just tuning in, once again, live pictures.

You're looking at the Sistine Chapel chimney. Black smoke is what you're seeing, which, of course, means to this -- at this moment a pope has not been elected. The first vote completed. That means they'll go into the second round.

Alessio Vinci down there in the middle of all the people that have showed up to watch for this first moment, the first vote.

What's the reaction, Alessio? What's the talk around you? Give us a feel for what it's like in St. Peter's Square right now.

Alessio, can you hear me?

All right. We're still working on the section with Alessio.

Delia, can you hear me?

GALLAGHER: I'm here, also with Christiane Amanpour, who has been following this with me.

PHILLIPS: OK, very good.

Well, let me -- Christiane, we've got you and Delia. We'll try and get connected with Alessio Vinci down there in St. Peter's Square.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's just -- we can see -- we can see, Kyra, what is going on in St. Peter's Square. We're standing -- sitting right above it. And we can tell you... PHILLIPS: Can you hear?

AMANPOUR: ... that there are...

GALLAGHER: Oh, yes.

AMANPOUR: ... oh, yes, there's been huge applause. And what was really interesting -- in fact, we were just talking about it -- just before the smoke came out of the smokestack, I was thinking in my media kind of way that it's 8:00 in Italy, 8:00 is when news goes on in Italy and across Europe. And I was thinking maybe there will be smoke for the newscast.

Now, who knows why the smoke came at this time, but it certainly came at this time. And to be frank, the people in the square I'm sure saw something before this camera was able to. Because just before you saw the great billowing of smoke, we could already hear applause.

And we were scrutinizing the close-up on our screen, and couldn't yet see the smoke coming out. But we could hear the applause in the square.

And as you can see, perhaps on the wide shot that we have, there are lots of flashbulbs, there are lots of people taking pictures of this event. And, again, to reiterate, there are many, many more people down in that square now than there were earlier this morning, either for the initial mass that took place ahead of the beginning of the secret conclave, or, indeed, for the start of the secret conclave.

It just looks like people have come out of work, have come over here, and are looking for at least some movement on this first day. And now we can be in no doubt that they did, in fact, decide to cast a ballot on the first day, that they have issued so much smoke that there can be no doubt that the ballot was cast, that it is black.

And to be honest, even if it wasn't black, and we were in some doubt, we would have the added aid of bells. It was John Paul II who instituted a help aid for those watching, and that is to have bells ringing if indeed a pope was elected. So...

PHILLIPS: And to help with that moment of confusion, Christiane, as you were getting up there next to Delia, you know, she and I were trying to figure out, is it black, is it white, is it black, is it white? So we were waiting to hear those bells, we didn't hear the bells, so, of course, we know the first vote is being completed.

I'm being told right now we do have -- we have connected with Alessio Vinci. We'll come back to Christiane and Delia, of course. Many questions to ask you. We'll be right back.

But we want to check in with Alessio, as he is down there in St. Peter's Square.

Give us a feel for what people are saying and what it's like down there as the first vote has been completed -- Alessio. ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF: Well, Kyra, there were a few seconds of panic here because at the very beginning it looked like that the smoke was somewhat grayish white and, therefore, for a few seconds here the crowd sort of -- first we heard a timid cheer, and then eventually when the black smoke made its way up through the chimney from down below the Sistine Chapel, we heard a loud cheer.

One certainly got the feeling here in St. Peter's Square tonight that the tens of thousands who had gathered here, they came here just simply because they wanted to see smoke. They really didn't care whether it was going to be white or black. They knew that this was the first vote, the first smoke, and it was unlikely that a pope was going to be selected tonight. But nevertheless, they wanted to be here during this very historical moment.

Now, of course we should remind our viewers that if the smoke is white, simultaneously we are told we should hear the great bells of St. Peter's tolling. And that is a good way, perhaps, for us journalists and the people here in St. Peter's Square to realize that, indeed, if the smoke is not perhaps completely white, if we hear those bells tolling, that is the clearest indication that we're going to get that a pope will be -- actually has been selected, has been elected.

Now, the people are already fast returning home. They've been here for several hours now.

The square is fast emptying itself out. But I can tell you, I really got a feeling here that what it would be like the day actually white smoke will come out of here, because it was already very loud. And all we got tonight was indeed black smoke -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Alessio, are you close enough to the crowd there, to folks there that you might be able to grab a few people to talk to before they all leave the square? I can go back to Delia and Christiane for a moment. But are you able to do that if I give you a few minutes?

VINCI: Let mow try to see. A gentleman here, who has been here throughout this day...

PHILLIPS: Perfect.

VINCI: ... watching us, our position, he is an American. Let me just -- let's improvise a little bit here.

PHILLIPS: Thanks, Alessio.

VINCI: This is live television. Well, let's do it. We can do this. We've done this before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have.

VINCI: Hi. You've been here throughout this day.

First of all, tell me how was your waiting here? What was it like to be here in the square waiting for this puff of smoke coming out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it was wonderful. Some of the people were praying. My wife and I prayed the rosary to inspire the cardinals, and other people were just talking and visiting.

It was just a very wonderful opportunity, very (INAUDIBLE), hearing all the languages of the world here. And it was very exciting when we saw that smoke.

And I immediate thought, it's Cardinal Ratzinger. He did it on the first ballot. And then it turned black, and I thought, well at least we had some drama tonight. And it will be suspenseful, and we've got some -- we can look forward to it tomorrow, as well.

VINCI: Right. Are you going to spend the whole week here waiting for that white smoke?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope I don't have to wait two-and-a-half years, the way they did back in the 13th century. We're going to stay as long as it takes.

VINCI: All right. Well, listen, one more question. You obviously are a practicing Catholic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

VINCI: You were praying the rosary. But do you get a sense perhaps talking to some of the people in the crowd that they're here because this is an historic day, or because it is mainly a religious issue, really, the election of a new pope, or perhaps a mixture of both?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a mixture of both. I mean, we've met people here. We met an Islamic girl who's here, and she was just drawn to this. And she's questioning -- you know, she feels very drawn to the Catholic faith because of Pope John Paul II. And so I think it's just a real exciting time. It's religious, but it's historic also.

VINCI: Now, was there a lot of talk in the square about, you know, who the next pope may be? Were you guys in the square talking among yourselves, you know, this pope would be better, the other pope would be better? I mean, is there any campaigning going on here in the square?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I didn't hear any of that. It was really just small talk, really. Just waiting.

VINCI: I was myself amazed to hear and to see the people here in the square primarily being here because they were curious. I mean, they really didn't care who the next pope would be. They just wanted to be here on this historic day. I mean, it was really amazing to see how such a huge event, which obviously took place last time more than 25 years ago, has drawn so many people here who are not necessarily religious. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had that same sense, too. I thought it was probably two-thirds what I could see was people just kind of the curious, the tourists, and so forth. And then the other third who I think who are people -- they're here, as my wife and I are here, for a real spiritual purpose. And we could even see all the way down to (INAUDIBLE) that it was, you know...

VINCI: Packed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was packed. People walking in the streets.

VINCI: Right. Well, thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's my pleasure.

VINCI: And Kyra, I can tell you that as the voting progresses in the coming days, we do expect to see more people coming here in St. Peter's Square. Watching some footage from the old conclaves, I can tell you, this square behind me will be completely packed. And that was even before the live pictures of -- the television broadcast live pictures of the cardinals actually walking inside the Sistine Chapel just before the master of ceremonies, if you want, ordered everybody out of the room, and for the cardinals to begin their first vote.

So there is a great amount of expectation here in St. Peter's Square. We got black smoke tonight, but I can tell you that in the coming days this square will definitely be the center of the attention of the whole world, and, of course, the people here who are going to gather here to wait for that white smoke to appear from the Sistine Chapel's chimney, as well as, of course, the great bells of St. Peter's to toll.

Back to you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: It's an incredible -- oh, it's an incredible and exciting time. Alessio, stay there. We're going to come back to you. Looking forward to asking you more questions live from St. Peter's Square.

We're also talking with Delia Gallagher, our Vatican analyst, in addition to Christiane Amanpour. We're going to bring you more live coverage as we saw just moments ago the black smoke from the Sistine Chapel's chimney. It means the cardinals have not yet elected a new pope. But we can tell you some names have been called out.

It's gone from 114 cardinals to naming possibly at least 10 names, maybe, Delia Gallagher said, could have been called out. So cardinals know who is in the running and who may be the next pope.

We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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PHILLIPS: Don't let the bell confuse you. Just take a look at this picture from just a few moments ago. That is black smoke that you are seeing billowing out of the chimney there at the Sistine Chapel, which, of course, means the first vote is completed by the 115 cardinals. It also means we all still wait and wonder who the next pope will be. Of course, the election -- the second part of that vote will take place tomorrow.

And for more details of how it's sort of going to unfold from here, let's go back to Delia Gallagher and Christiane Amanpour, as they have been following the news for us.

We are waiting -- actually, I want to tell the you of two to talk with Bishop William Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Bishops. He's going to be joining us in just a moment from Spokane, Washington. But let me ask you both a couple of questions.

Delia, you said that within the 115 cardinals now they have heard actually the names of who may be the pope. Possibly 10 names called out. I can just imagine what's going through the individuals who heard their name, what they're thinking, that they could be the next pope.

GALLAGHER: Exactly.

PHILLIPS: Can you imagine?

GALLAGHER: Yes.

PHILLIPS: And then maybe the other folks thinking, oh, bummer, it's not me.

GALLAGHER: Well, they might be relieved it's not them. You know, it's often said that not many people want to be pope it's such a huge job.

But we don't want to make too much out of 10 names. I don't know, obviously, what the number could be. But I'm just giving an idea that in the first vote, there are usual usually a larger number of names before it has a chance to sort of narrow itself down.

And, you know, it was interesting. We heard with Alessio Vinci in the square, one of the people in the square saying, "Well, I thought it was Cardinal Ratzinger." So Cardinal Ratzinger is a name that a lot of people have talked about just because of his sort of stature in the church and his very obvious conservative stance.

He's an obvious candidate. He's very well respected by many of the cardinals. But he's a very conservative candidate. So we would assume that along with Cardinal Ratzinger there would be somebody to sort of balance that out, somebody a bit more progressive.

So these are just ideas that we were tossing around to give an idea of how it might shake out. But there are many, many other candidates, of course, and anybody can give in one vote for their favorite candidate.

But what happens tomorrow is that the guy that gave one vote tonight for his friend or for somebody he wanted will have to give that vote to somebody else tomorrow because they have to arrive at the 77 majority in order to elect. So at some stage it has to narrow itself down.

And that's why tonight's vote was so important, so they could hear who are the names being called out. And now can really begin discussions.

Because I think the interesting thing here, Kyra, is, amongst these cardinals, there is a lot of reserve. It's not as if they go up to each other and say, well, who are you going to vote for? I'm going to vote for so-and-so.

It's a very quiet and reserved process, even amongst themselves. So I think that they themselves had a lot of discovery, as it were, in tonight's vote.

PHILLIPS: So, Christiane -- and I can just imagine you would want to be sitting at the dinner table tonight with these cardinals as they get ready to go to sleep and get up tomorrow and start the process again -- what can they talk about now? How far can they go, and what is I guess legally right among the cardinals with regard to discussion?

AMANPOUR: Well, they are allowed to discuss. They're not allowed to talk to the outside world. So we will not know. And there doesn't seem to be any inclination towards loose lips to the press.

We'll never know exactly who voted for whom at what point. But what they are allowed to do is discuss amongst themselves.

And as we've been talking in any kind of -- and I hate to use this word, but it's true. In a kind of horse trading that will go on, once the initial vote has taken place and the broad parameters of who may be in the running, obvious then the blocs coalesce around each other. And it's, you know, anybody's guess as to whether one pope will get a two-thirds majority, as we've said, the 77-cardinal vote that is required for a two-thirds majority.

If that's not possible in several ballots, then according to John Paul II's rules, they go to a simple majority after a certain number of ballots. But clearly a lot of this talking, a lot of aligning people on your side has been going on, not just tonight and not just before today's conclave, but in the days ever since Pope John Paul died. All of that has been going on and has been discussed.

PHILLIPS: Christiane Amanpour, Delia Gallagher, they're in Rome following the latest news.

If you're just tuning in, we saw the black smoke within the last 15 minutes coming from the Sistine Chapel's chimney, which, of course, means that a pope has not yet been elected. The second vote will go into process come tomorrow, which should be an interesting evening tonight among the cardinals who voted today. Talking probably a lot about the challenges facing the men meeting right now to elect a new pope. Let's bring in Bishop William Skylstad. He's president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. He joins me now live from Spokane, Washington.

Bishop, pretty exciting moment right now.

BISHOP WILLIAM SKYLSTAD, PRESIDENT, USCCB: Oh, indeed. Just as I walked in the studio I saw the pictures of the black smoke coming from the chimney. Obviously, for the Catholic Church this a very, very significant moment, an historic moment. And I suppose we might say really an historic moment for the world as well as the cardinal electors elect a new pope.

PHILLIPS: I'm curious, Bishop, and I want to get your feeling on this. I asked Delia this, and also Christiane.

Just the fact that names have now been called out, that they are -- that the 115 cardinals have actually heard the names of the man that will be the next pope, a lot of relief in some ways, a lot of added pressure in some ways. What do you think, you know, when you think about the various cardinals, just the emotions that have probably been stirred up by now?

SKYLSTAD: Well, first of all, this is really a very, very important time for the church as we select a new pope. A challenging role to be sure of pastoral leadership in the church, but also dealing with a very complex world and a rapidly changing world in which we live.

I suspect that the -- whatever name surfaced in this first vote will be a matter of discussion or reflection, certainly, but perhaps a matter of discussion amongst the cardinals themselves as they continue their voting process.

PHILLIPS: You bring up a couple of wonderful points. Complex world, indeed, a rapidly changing world, indeed.

Let's talk about a couple of the issues that the new pope will face. And as a bishop, let me ask you this, there has been talk that the next pope, if he does not take I guess radical action, take -- or I guess sort of a radical view in some changes that need to be made, do you think that maybe bishops should be given more autonomy and not leave so much of the day-to-day operations to the Curia?

SKYLSTAD: Well, I think that's always a discussion in the church, to how we interrelate with one another. As we deal with more and more complexity in the church, as we look to instantaneous communication that we have within the church, I think those are issues that need continuing dialogue.

I just returned from Rome last week. Actually was there during the death of the Holy Father and his funeral liturgy. I spent a few sessions with some of the (INAUDIBLE) in discussing issues about the American church. This is a regular visit that we make to the Holy See to discuss these issues. So that discussion will continue. Most of all, I think, for us in the church, we need to be open to the guidance of the holy spirit as we look to the future.

PHILLIPS: And also looking to the future, the talk about attracting more priests, new priests. Looking at the shortage, it's reached epic proportions. If the clergy doesn't marry, if there are not changes made, women becoming priests, how will attracting new priests be tackled? How will this be dealt with? And will the next pope have to look at the 3,000 parishes or so that don't even have a priest at all and maybe look at more progressive ways to change the church?

SKYLSTAD: Well, I think we have to be careful about how we describe those parishes without a resident priest. I think more and more, we're finding a consolidation of parishes where there's need to do that. So, relatively small congregations and rural areas, for example, several parishes may be served by the same pastor. So even though they may not have a resident priest, though, they're well served. However, having said that, I think the church has certainly focused on the future, in terms of vocational enhancement and recruitment, looking to how we might encourage young men to respond to that call -- if God so calls them. That's, I think, an ongoing discussion in the church.

Having said that, there are certain parts of the world where vocations to priesthood have really exploded. When you take a look at, for example, some of the countries in Central and South America, when you look at Africa, for example, tremendous number of vocations.

Here in the United States, it's been a bit of a challenge for us, as we well know, but you know, we go through cycles, as well, and I think living in a very difficult, at times turbulent, moment in which we are, I think it's not unexpected that we go through those cycles of perhaps some scarcity.

But we look to the future certainly with hope and most of all, I think, depending upon how the spirit guides us in calling people to pass to leadership in the church.

PHILLIPS: Bishop William Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, joining us live from Spokane, Washington. Thank you, sir, so much for your time today.

SKYLSTAD: Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. If you're just tuning in, once again, the black smoke continues to rise from the chimney there at the Sistine Chapel. Still no pope elected, but we're following it. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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(STOCK MARKET) PHILLIPS: Boy, terror on the high seas. A Norwegian cruise line ship back in its home port today, after what some people are calling just a nightmare cruise. The seas were already rough when a freak seven-story-high wave tossed the boat about, shaking up those on board. Four passengers were injured and treated for minor cuts and bruises. Two windows were broken. 62 cabins were flooded and passengers say it was absolute chaos.

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ANNE MARIE MCELHAYTON, PASSENGER: It was absolutely the same as watching "The Perfect Storm." The waves were so high. It was scary. I think it was actually a nightmare. It was really, bad. People were with life jackets on the ship -- I would say probably 80 percent of the people thought they were going to die. It definitely went to that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There was major panic on the boat?

MCELHAYTON: There was total panic. People were screaming, shouting.

BRIAN FERGUSON, PASSENGER: We were in a different part of the ship from where that wave hit, so -- but it was like a roller coaster. I mean, that's pretty much the best way we can describe it. It was like being on a roller coaster at Great Adventures.

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PHILLIPS: An official with the Norwegian cruise line says that the safety of their passengers is always their top priority.

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BILL HAMLIN, NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINES: The ship was never in an unsafe situation. The integrity of the ship was in no way compromised by this incident. The ship's hull was not damaged, in spite of the strength of the wave. There was some damage to the superstructure. All repairs were completed and inspected by U.S. Coast Guard prior to departure in Charleston, where the ship was diverted for repairs.

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PHILLIPS: Hamlin says that the captain of the ship has spent 17 years at sea and he's never seen anything like that.

Well, as you can imagine, passengers are eager to share their stories of that stormy cruise. Ellen Tasauro is one of them. She's joining us live from New York. And Ellen, I'm taking it you are never going to go on a cruise again?

ELLEN TASAURO, PASSENGER: That's right, Kyra. Never, never. I could never go through this again.

PHILLIPS: All right, tell us what happened. Tell me where you were and what you started to feel and hear and kind of take us through what went down from there.

TASAURO: OK, well, about 11:30 the night before, which was Friday night, we went back up to our room. Friday morning, that morning it was rocky as could be. We left our room all day. At 11:30 we went up, we said, OK,let's try to go asleep. When we got -- we had a room on the tenth floor in the front of the ship. And all of our furniture was flying all over. Dishes were flying, glasses were flying and it was very dangerous. My husband said, look, we have to get out of this room.

I was hysterical. I didn't know what to do. So my husband said we're going to go to midship, we're going to go the reception area, and we'll see what's going on. We knew that there was a storm. We had seen it on CNN on the ship. You know, on the weather forecast.

PHILLIPS: Well, I'm glad you're watching -- I'm glad CNN was on the ship and you were watching CNN. That was nice. Thank you, Ellen. Go ahead.

TASAURO: Well, you know what, I woke up on Friday morning and I saw a funnel cloud out in the ocean and I woke my husband up and we put CNN on immediately and we saw that storm forecasted out there and I said, what is this captain doing? He's plowing us into the storm. Anyway, as the night went on, we went down to the middle of the ship, the reception area. It was horrendous. It was a nightmare. You were being banged all over. The ship was teetering up and down, up and down.

Then the captain made a left-hand turn. Once he made the left- hand turn, the ship was now rolling side to side. And I said to my husband, the ship's going to tip. We're going in this water. So the two of us said, look, we just have to keep our heads calm and cool and we better think about what we're going to do when we get in that water, because nobody on the ship was doing anything to prevent this. He wasn't slowing down.

And it wasn't just one freak wave, by the way. It was about two or three hours worth of 60-foot waves. It wasn't one just hitting the ship. That one broke the windows, yes. It didn't only break windows, it broke railings, it opened doors to rooms, steel doors, it made it look like tuna cans. We went -- finally on Saturday, we were able to go up to our room to get our belongings out and we saw the damage that was done, and it was horrendous.

PHILLIPS: So did -- well, Ellen, did you hear any type of announcement, any type of emergency procedures go into place? Because you would think when something like that would go down, immediately you'd be told what to do. I mean, every time you go on a cruise, you have to go through the emergency drills before you even take off.

TASAURO: The fierceness started about 2:00 in the morning, when it really started getting fierce and we never heard from the captain till 11:00 that morning. And all -- well, maybe it was 9:30. And he said, we are in no danger whatsoever. The winds are going to get worse, so hold on. And at 11:00 in the morning, he came on and told us, he's putting a conference call in at 11:30 to the Miami office and they'll get back to us with what they decide to do. We never heard from them again 'till about 1:00, I would say, and that's when they told us that we're now being diverted into Charleston. They were waiting for a pilot ship to bring them in.

PHILLIPS: OK. Well, there's got to be a piece of good news here, and that is that you're alive.

TASAURO: Yes.

PHILLIPS: No one has been killed, so that's...

TASAURO: Exactly.

PHILLIPS: So that's the good news here.

TASAURO: Yes, that -- you know what? Graciously, they flew 80 of us home to Newark Airport and my husband and I were hucky enough, because we didn't have a room to get that choice of being flown home. And when we got home, it was the best feeling. It just was.

PHILLIPS: I can just imagine. How about your next vacation? You come to Atlanta, Georgia, visit CNN, OK, take a tour. We have nice B & B's. It will be, you know, much more calm experience for you, Ellen.

TASAURO: You know, Kyra, my husband said, the next vacation, United States on land.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ellen Tasauro, bless you. Glad you're all in one piece. Thank you, Ellen, very much.

TASAURO: Thank you, thank you.

PHILLIPS: Well, straight ahead, wanted: full time couch potato. Boy, I know a lot of those. Must like to watch lots and lots of TV, have a good sense of humor and not mind gaining a few pounds. Well, we're live from L.A. with more details on this dream job. Jack Cafferty.

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PHILLIPS: So are you a professional couch potato? Well, we've got have the Hollywood job just for you.

And she's been missing on film. Now Jodie Foster is making a return to the big screen. CNN's Sibila Vargas, live from L.A., with all those stories and more. Hi, Sibila.

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Kyra.

That's right. It's been three years since Jodie Foster fans have seen their favorite Oscar-winner on the big screen, but soon the wait will be over. Universal Pictures has cast the 42-year-old actress to star opposite Denzel Washington and Clive Owen in "Inside Man." Now, this one's directed by Spike Lee. Foster will play a well-connected lawyer who complicates a hostage situation during a bank robbery. "Inside Man" starts shooting in early summer.

And are you one of the millions of Americans who loves to spend hours upon hours in front of the tube? You know you are. Well, do I have the job for you. Late night funny man Jimmy Kimmel is looking to hire a professional couch potato to watch TV all day long, looking for funny elements for his opening monologue. Now, Kimmel says that a college education and personal hygiene are not necessarily required for the job. Instead, applicants should possess a thumb and offbeat sense of humor. Get that. Thumb and the remote control.

And speaking of offbeat, you wonder how many Elvis impersonators it takes it to make it into the "Guinness Book of World Records"? Well, wonder no more.

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VARGAS: Apparently it takes about a hundred. And get this, Elvis not only left the building, he crossed the pond. These fans didn't set the record in Las Vegas, nope, they did it in London. A British department store was the spot where the group successfully became the most people to impersonate the King at the same time. Kyra, I bet you can guess what they said after setting the record?

PHILLIPS: And that would be?

VARGAS: Ah, thank you. Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: I knew it. I knew I was going to get an Elvis out of Sibila Vargas. All right, thank you, my dear.

VARGAS: Thank you.

PHILLIPS: She's here all week, folks.

All right. Well, have you ever wished that one of those home makeover shows would sweep in and remodel your abode? Well, some families find there's a downside to the TV magic.

PHILLIPS: All right.

Well, you ever wish one of those home makeover shows would sweep in and remodel your abode? Well, some families find there is a downside to the TV magic.

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PHILLIPS: And, taking it to the streets again. Thousands of runners pounding the pavement in the 109th Boston Marathon today. The 26-mile event attracts runners from all around the globe. It's the world's oldest annually contested race. Haliu Negussie from Ethiopia has won the men's division. It's the first time since the '80s that an Ethiopian runner has won the men's title. And Catherine Ndereba from Kenya, being called "Catherine the Great" today, she's the first women to ever win the marathon an unprecedented four times.

Well, many people dream of getting a home makeover on a reality TV show, but for many people that dream has turned into a nightmare. We haven't heard these stories very often. Susan Lisovicz, live from the New York Stock Exchange to explain that. What happened, Susan?

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it sounded great, right, Kyra? They were all smiles and tears of joy when they got their new homes on live TV. Well, guess what, then Uncle Sam came knocking on their doors. According to "Daily Variety," the families featured on the ABC hit show "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" and Fox's "Renovate My Family" got hit with massive tax bills this year, and it's not just about taxes. Some are also griping about high insurance rates, and high utility bills, as well.

This isn't the first time a TV show has had to deal with such problems. You might recall that Oprah Winfrey had similar trouble last year when she gave away all those free cars to everyone in her show's audience, but didn't take the tax bills into account. Maybe they should have a new reality show focusing on life after the giveaways. Kyra?

PHILLIPS: All right. We're going to switch gears here. Target clamping down on cold medicines. What's that about?

LISOVICZ: Well, it's actually a very important issue, Kyra. Target will no longer allow unrestricted access to some cold and allergy medicines and will sell them only from pharmacy counters. That's because some of those medications can be used to make the illegal stimulant methamphetamine. Restrictions apply to all over the counter drugs containing pseudo -- pseudoephdrine (sic). My gosh, I have a hard time with that. But it includes children's medicines, tablets, liquids and gel caps. Target says it's the first major retailer to take such a step.

PHILLIPS: All right, Susan, you're safe, because it's in every cold medicine, so we'll just say cold medicines and their ingredients.

LISOVICZ: Too many syllables. .

PHILLIPS: There you go. All right, thanks, Susan.

The day's top stories are up next.

Plus A-Rod is a-okay. For one young baseball fan, their chance encounter, just ahead on LIVE FROM, we finally get to hear from the little boy.

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PHILLIPS: "Now in the News," the cardinals call it a night. This is what it looked like atop the Sistine Chapel just about an hour ago. The black smoke means the cardinals cast the first ballot of the conclave but did not pick a new pope. More in a live report just ahead.

A Florida man is ordered held without bond in the death of 13- year-old Sarah Lunde. Authorities say that David Onstott confessed to killing Lunde during an argument. Her body was found in a pond Saturday, five days after she was reported missing. Onstott is a convicted sex offender who once dated the girl's mother.

The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser is back on the stand. She's facing more questions from the defense. The mother testified that she was sincere in an interview in which she praised Jackson as a father figure for her children. The pop star is accused of molesting the woman's son.

A possible attack is thwarted in Iraq. Thousands of Iraqi forces under the cover of US helicopters converged on the Salman Pak facility about 20 miles south of Baghdad. A coalition official tells CNN they found a number of weapons as well as a bomb making factory, and at least one 200 pound bomb.

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