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WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "NEWS FROM CNN": I'll be back later today, every weekday, 5 p.m. Eastern for "WOLF BLITZER REPORTS." The Conclave of the Cardinals, selecting the next pope. We'll have extensive coverage. Until then, thanks for watching "NEWS FROM CNN." I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. LIVE FROM with Kyra Phillips starts right now.
KYRA PHILLIPS, HOST: Live pictures from the Vatican. The chimney everyone is watching for white smoke, the signal that Catholics have a new pope.
This is the last we saw of the cardinals. Right now they're locked in and sworn to secrecy this hour. What they told our Vatican analysts about who should be the next pope.
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CARLA BURGESS, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGER: Children were screaming. We were all in our life jackets. We didn't know what was coming next.
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PHILLIPS: A freak wave rocks the boat. A cruise ship nightmare. The passengers tell their stories.
And a surrogate mom gets five times what she bargained for. She's carrying quintuplets and now plans to give up her fee.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles worked the early shift today. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
Unprecedented openness, unparalleled ceremony, unconditional secrecy. Sixteen days after the death of Pope John Paul II, the conclave to choose a successor is underway.
So far, as we know, the 115 voting cardinals have yet to cast their first ballots, but they've already been a part of history. Never before has the world watched live on television the prayers and processions and professions leading up to the locking of the doors of the Sistine Chapel.
At that point, the eyes of the world moved to the Sistine chimney, which we'll show you continually in the corner of your screen. While we wait for the first puffs of smoke, let's turn to CNN Alessio Vinci. He's in St. Peter's Square. An amazing time, Alessio.
ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Amazing times, Kyra, and we don't even know whether there will be a vote, indeed, tonight or not. What we do know is that if the cardinals decide to vote, there will be, of course, smoke coming out of the chimney atop of the Sistine Chapel.
What is incredible here in St. Peter's Square is that, while we do not know even if the smoke will take place, thousands upon thousands of people have already gathered here, waiting for that moment. The crowd has doubled in the last hour or so. Around 7 in time -- 7 p.m., here in Rome at this time. That is when the Vatican had originally said the smoke could eventually come out.
Of course, white smoke, there is no pope. Black smoke, there is -- sorry. White smoke there is a pope. Black smoke there is no pope.
But nevertheless here, literally thousands of people are filling up quickly the square, because they want to be a part of this historical moment of an election of Pope John Paul II.
Several pilgrims telling us, for example, that they were too old and they didn't want to miss the election of this pope because an election like this comes up every 25 years or so. They didn't want to miss it. And therefore, they made the trip all the way from Cameron, for example, to be able to be here on this very historical day.
Now awaiting the results, of course, they were able to watch the procession live on television on these giant television screens set up here in St. Peter's Square as 115 cardinals, electors made their way to the palace from the Hall of the Blessing in the Apostolic Palace all the way down to the Sistine Chapel.
Broadcast live around the world but also here in St. Peter's Square as the cardinals took their oath, of course, an oath of secrecy because the vote has to remain secret, but also a vote and an oath to maintain and to fulfill the requirements of the Apostolic Constitution as set by Pope John Paul II as he revised the rules and regulations of this very complex vote that is taking place beginning, basically, now.
Now, we do not know, as I said, if there is a vote tonight, but we do know that, beginning tomorrow there will be two votes in the morning and two votes in the afternoon, and around 12 local time here in Rome, 6 a.m. Eastern and around 7 a.m. local time, 1 p.m. Eastern, that is when we expect the burning of the ballots of the first and possibly the second vote of each half day. That is when we're going to know whether the pope has been elected or not here.
PHILLIPS: All right, Alessio Vinci, we'll be in touch on a regular basis. Thank you so much.
Well, technology keeps Vatican in communion with its worldwide flock like never before, but it's also used like never before to keep the papal conclave airtight. We get some insights on the world's most secrets of elections from the man who wrote the book, really. John Allen is Rome correspondent for the "National Catholic Reporter," author of the 2002 book "Conclave" and a CNN Vatican analyst. He joins me live from Vatican City, along with Monsignor Kevin McCoy of the Pontifical North American College.
Great to have you both. John, let's start with you. I understand you've been talking with the cardinals. Is it fair to say, maybe they told you some things they weren't supposed to, or am I going a little too far there?
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Well, I think that's probably pushing it a little too far. The cardinals obviously take very seriously the promises of confidentially and secrecy they've made.
But on the other hand the cardinals recognize that the election of the next pope is an event of extraordinary global importance, not just for the 1.1 billion Roman Catholics in the world, but for people of other faiths or of no faith who understand that the papacy is nevertheless an enormously consequential position.
And in light of that, the cardinals have been willing to talk to us, not so much about who they're going to vote for but about the kind of profile of man that they're looking for and also some of the issues that they see facing the church.
And I think among many of the cardinals there is general agreement on what some of those front burner issues would be. Things like the challenge of secularism in Western Europe and north America; the relationship with Islam and where the next pope should take that relationship; the growing problem of the gap between rich and poor in the world; and, also, the question of governance within the church and whether or not the current system is working or whether, perhaps, there ought to be something of a decentralization of power from Rome to the local churches and the bishop conferences. That's called, in Catholic parlance, collegiality.
These are all things certainly the cardinals have been talking about. They would see them as serious challenges awaiting the next pope. And obviously, Kyra, they understand this choice they are making for, potentially beginning right now as we speak, is the most monumental choice they will make in their careers as cardinals. To some extent, it is the moment their entire careers have been preparing them for. And so obviously, they're taking this very, very seriously.
PHILLIPS: All right. Let's talk more about that profile. I'll just pick out a couple of things that you mentioned, and we'll bring in Monsignor McCoy on this, too. I'll let you two just decide who wants to say what when we talk about, say, the profile of an optimistic pope, a media savvy pope, a pope that will reach out and identify with all faiths and individuals in his flock.
Reading about cardinals Tettamanzi and Demiles (ph), and I hope I am pronouncing these properly -- I know you guys will help me with that -- what do you think? These are two cardinals I've been reading about that definitely, Monsignor, are media savvy.
MONSIGNOR KEVIN MCCOY: Certainly. I mean, both of those cardinals would be men who are media savvy. But a particular recommendation for Cardinal Tettamanzi, in my opinion, as one who's taught theology here in Italy before he was ever moved on to the episcopacy. He's just an extremely intelligent man.
I think some of those issues that John pointed out just a -- just a while ago, he would be a particular leader who, in many respects, could bring the faith of the church to bear in these particular issues, whether it be the relation with other religions, non-Catholic, non -- and we might say that relationship with Islam, or whether it be a matter of the whole idea of the haves and the have-nots, the rich and the poor.
He's going to bring a real insight of the faith to bear in those, and find and look for solutions that aren't necessarily political solutions.
PHILLIPS: And also, John, you mentioned dealing with Europe. Interesting point. If you want to talk about Cardinal Scola, he's definitely known for making the attempt to heal that division between church and culture. Would this be someone who would be quite savvy when -- when dealing with Europe?
ALLEN: Yes, I think so. I mean, Cardinal Angelo Scola of Venice comes out of a theological school in Roman Catholicism known as the Camudial (ph) School. He is therefore something of a disciple of one of the most famous theologians of the 20th Century, Hans Urs von Balthasar.
And there's a lot of reflection inside that movement on precisely this question. How does the church engage? How does it -- to use a church word -- how does it evangelize? That is, take the gospel to contemporary secular culture.
And I think Cardinal Scola is someone who has an interesting combination of a very strong, almost tenacious commitment to the traditional doctrines of the church and yet at the same time, a great commitment to translating those doctrines into language that makes sense to modern men and women.
He is a widely published theologian in his own right. He was also a colleague of Kevin's as a rector of one of the Roman universities here for a number of years, the Lateran University, the pope's university in Rome. And I think that universally high marks for his administrative skills and also the vision he brought to that position.
I think he would be somebody that a lot of cardinals would look at as potentially holding, if not the answer, at least the beginnings of an answer to the question of how does the church get its message across in this very secularized, almost post-religious culture that sometimes seems to turn a deaf ear to a spiritual message.
PHILLIPS: All right. Both of you talked about the challenge of Islam. So I want you both to respond to this. Monsignor McCoy, let's start with you. Pope John Paul, you know, he went to Nigeria, where there are bitter and violent divisions. He has addressed Muslim Central Asia. He's been to that area. Sudan also, the civil war. Looking at the Nigerian connection, is this where Cardinal Arinze might come into play?
MCCOY: Well, he -- he certainly could. He would be one who, for the next pope, if it's not Cardinal Arinze himself, he might be able to provide him with a great insight into Nigeria and how he might well approach the people of that land and particularly, the various religious groups within that land.
But, again, I think the next pope is certainly going to be one who's inspired by the gospel and wants to see those, really, spears turned into plowshares. He doesn't want to see war reign any longer. He wants to promote peace and he wants to -- people to realize and to recognize who they need to be in terms of the respect for human -- for human beings, for human dignity.
And those are people in the Muslim faith who have a belief in God, just as Catholics and Christians in our western world. And, of course, I come from a little town of Sioux City, Iowa, and we have many Muslims there as well. And we've -- we've been able to live quite peacefully and support one another in terms of, you know, really, the human support that needs to be done.
PHILLIPS: Monsignor Kevin McCoy, our Vatican analyst John Allen. We're going to talk more. Thank you so much. We'll continue to address those issues, and, of course, in the corner of our screen we watch that chimney.
And throughout the day we're going to be keeping a watch on that chimney at the Vatican in that box at the bottom of the screen that I told you. We're watching for the signal that the cardinals have picked a new pope. It's the white smoke that means the decision.
Also ahead on LIVE FROM, a police chase reaches the tipping point. We're going to show you what happened next. Oh!
And live pictures now of the New York Stock Exchange. Take a look at the big board here. After a big dive last week. Will Wall Street have a rebound today?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And we're live here in Oklahoma City where a week-long series of remembrances, commemorating the tenth anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing is underway. When we come back, we'll have the story of one of the most popular symbols here at this memorial.
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(WEATHER REPORT) SARAH DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Now, Onstott allegedly confessed to strangling and killing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde and then dumping her body in a fish pond only a half mile from her home.
Today investigators drained that pond, searching for any more evidence that could possibly be in there.
This murder, allegedly committed by a convicted sex offender, comes only two months after Jessica Lunsford's case in Homosassa, Florida, a very similar one, that has people and politicians in this state questioning the system. Mark Ober, he state's attorney here, addressed those questions.
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MIKE OBER, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY: I don't think the system fails. We have the best system -- the state attorneys, you know, we had almost 90,000 cases come through this office last year. We try over 500 jury trials.
You've been in court this morning. You've seen what the courtrooms look like. We're not making excuses. We're accountable for what we do but the system has not failed. And we're going to make certain that it doesn't fail today on Onstott. We're going forward with him and we're going to be aggressive in the prosecution of that case.
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DORSEY: And the medical examiner's office said a partial autopsy has been completed on Sarah Lunde, but there are still further tests to be done. We could get a final, official cause of death later today -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right. Sarah Dorsey, thanks so much.
Well, a jailhouse shooting in Rhode Island. A detective shot and killed with his own gun by a suspect. We've just got the chilling pictures of that suspect in the shooting. He's now charged with murder.
Reporter Delia Goncalves with our affiliate WPRI in Providence has more on what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God!
DELIA GONCALVES, WPRI REPORTER (voice-over): As badly injured Esteban Carpio walked into his arraignment, his family members absolutely lose it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quiet.
GONCALVES: The accused shooter barely able to talk, bloody, bruised. His face swollen, eyes nearly shut. A plastic mask covering most of his face and his family members led out of the courtroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son (ph) is not guilty! Not guilty! Not guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His face is massacred. They massacred him! I'm surprised he's still alive the way he looked.
GONCALVES: Providence police say the 26-year-old shot and killed 27-year veteran detective James Allen early Sunday morning as he was being interviewed about a stabbing.
Police say when a second officer stepped out of a conference room, Carpio stole the detective's service gun and shot him twice. Then they say he shot through a double paned glass window, jumping three stories to the ground. Carpio was arrested a short distance away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're sorry about what happened. We tried to get this boy hospital help, psychiatric help, and he was released a number of times in the last 30 days, but we are very sorry about what happened. But he obviously has been beaten very badly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Initially when we went to the hospital, we talked to the police. They said he only had a leg injury and some minor lacerations. They wouldn't let us see him. Seeing him now, his whole face is just -- massacred!
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PHILLIPS: That report once again from Delia Goncalves with our affiliate WPRI in Providence.
Well, candlelight and tears continue in Oklahoma City as residents prepare to mark a devastating anniversary. CNN's Ed Lavandera now with more on the scars that remain just 10 years later -- Ed.
LAVANDERA: Hi, Kyra.
Well, we expect thousands of people to make their way to Oklahoma City to be involved in this memorial service. It's not just today and tomorrow. It's part of a week-long process of events that are scheduled here, some thousands of people streaming through here over the weekend.
They come not only to the memorial but also to the museum here. Some three million people since all of this opened five years ago.
But there's one symbol here that attracts the most attention. It's actually become the symbol of the memorial, and that's what's known as the survivor tree. This is a tree that is more than 80 years old. It's an American elm tree. And before the bombing it somehow survived in a parking lot, and many people came here and found shade underneath there.
But the day of the bombing, the tree took quite a hit. Many pieces of debris came flying from the building and landed in the tree. At some point, investigators almost chopped down this tree. But instead, they starting chopped down branches to collect evidence from the tree.
But over the years the tree has fought its way back, and you can see a live picture of it now, the tree blooming. And I can tell you that this is one well-taken care of tree. A special irrigation system, and it's a nice place. From there it sits a little bit higher above the memorial. And you see many people who gather underneath the tree there on the hot days that you can find here in Oklahoma.
And from there you can kind of look down over the reflection pond and see the chairs of the -- the chairs that have been put in the memorial for each of the 168 victims.
There's an inscription around the tree that reads, "The spirit of this city and this nation will not be defeated. Our deeply rooted faith sustains us." And this is a symbol of resilience, they like to say here, and one that they're very proud of.
Memorial services will continue throughout the day. The main part, the signature event, tomorrow as 168 seconds of silence are observed here, and many dignitaries will come to speak as well as many of the survivors and the victims who were involved in that deadly day 10 years ago.
As they like to say here, this is an anniversary of looking forward, not necessarily looking back, but they want the world to know that they have sustained a lot here and they've dealt with a lot here and that they are moving forward -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right. Ed Lavandera, thank you so much.
In other news across America now, one child is dead and 14 other elementary students are injured in a school bus accident this morning in a Washington suburb. It happened when the bus collided with a garbage truck as the bus was apparently trying to make a left turn at a busy intersection. Both drivers are critically injured.
Wild pictures from Clayton County, Georgia. A so-called slow- speed chase ends up with the quarry running of the road and overturning. The case began when the truck was reported stolen and continued for about 40 minutes. No immediate word on the injuries.
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PHILLIPS (voice-over): Next on LIVE FROM...
BURGESS: It was absolutely horrible. I was trembling for my life.
PHILLIPS: Cruise in chaos. A freak wave seven stories high washes away plans for smooth sailing. Survivors share stories.
Later on LIVE FROM, a soldier loses his foot in battle, but not his will to fight. Captain David Rozelle returns to action. We'll talk to him in Baghdad.
Later on LIVE FROM, he's taught us to live strong. But is Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong pedaling off into the sunset? A big career announcement expected today.
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JAMES FRALEY, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGER: The main wave that was 70 foot, they hit between 6 and 6:30 in the morning, at that time, that's what caused damage in the front of the ship. But the damage on the inside of the ship, excuse me, was prior to that. That was -- we were at sea for 24 hours, at the mercy of the sea. Restaurants were destroyed inside there, antique stores, Jacuzzis off the 12th floor, in the ocean.
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PHILLIPS: Wow. Not so bon voyage after all. The tempest tossed passengers of the Norwegian Dawn returned to safe harbor in New York just a few hours ago with a boat-load of harrowing tales. Despite crew efforts to calm and appease passengers in the aftermath of the foul weather, about 300 of them abandoned ship when the Dawn checked in for repairs in Charleston, South Carolina.
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BURGESS: When we were going through all of this, they offered free drinks. Free drinks. Can you believe that? They want people drunk while we're going through all of this mess? And then they offered 25 percent off of your next cruise. Who wants to go on a next cruise? I sure don't!
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PHILLIPS: Mary Snow, live in New York where the ship just docked.
I don't know. I don't know if you want to go aboard and do any kind of inside report on the condition of the ship, Mary?
MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'll tell you, Kyra. That was just some of the reaction. We also met up with a couple that just came back from their honeymoon. The husband was afraid to fly. They took this cruise. He says never again.
We're going to show you some video from inside the cruise, when the cruise line says early Saturday morning this ship hit a freak wave. The cruise line saying that the captain saying that he hasn't seen a wave like this in 17 years. The cruise line saying this was clearly unsettling.
Some passengers, though, walked off the ship saying, you know, it wasn't all that bad. Others said that they really feared for their lives.
The cruise line said at no point did anyone put on life -- were told to put on life vests, but some people voluntarily did so early Saturday morning, that there was rocky seas and that at one point this tidal -- this big wave hit. And Bill Hamlin of fleet operations says, though, at no time was the ship in any danger.
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BILL HAMLIN, NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINE: This was a freak wave that we had no control over. I think the ship handled it very well. The ship is built to withstand waves, withstand storm conditions. But as I said, we were never in an unsafe situation.
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SNOW: Now, this wave coming right after 6 a.m. on Saturday morning. Showing you some pictures of a funnel that some people caught on tape on this ship.
Four people were injured. The cruise line saying these injuries were not serious, that they were mostly cuts and bruises and that when the ship was diverted to South Carolina yesterday, more than 300 people decided to get off. The others came here this morning.
About 62 cabins had been flooded. The cruise line saying, though, that the Coast Guard did inspect the ship as you see behind me, and it is slated to leave here New York later this afternoon for its next cruise -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: So Mary, has anyone come forward and just talked about this freak wave and the whole scientific explanation behind how it happened?
SNOW: But you know, everybody everyone we've been talking to really saying that, you know, the boat had been rocking for several hours all night long. We talked to one couple who said that they had been in their cabin throughout the night and that they really saw things in their cabin moving back and forth for several hours, and nobody could really explain it. But the people were also watching weather reports, and knew that it was going to be rough seas.
PHILLIPS: All right. We'll throw it down to the weather folks, see if they can explain it for us. Mary Snow, thanks so much.
Well, the stock market at its lowest level of the year, and a growing number of investors don't see a recovery any time soon. Why are the investors in such a funk? Let's go to Susan Lisovicz. She's live from the New York Stock Exchange.
Hi, Susan.
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THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "NEWS FROM CNN": I'll be back later today, every weekday, 5 p.m. Eastern for "WOLF BLITZER REPORTS." The Conclave of the Cardinals, selecting the next pope. We'll have extensive coverage. Until then, thanks for watching "NEWS FROM CNN." I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. LIVE FROM with Kyra Phillips starts right now.
KYRA PHILLIPS, HOST: Live pictures from the Vatican. The chimney everyone is watching for white smoke, the signal that Catholics have a new pope.
This is the last we saw of the cardinals. Right now they're locked in and sworn to secrecy this hour. What they told our Vatican analysts about who should be the next pope.
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CARLA BURGESS, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGER: Children were screaming. We were all in our life jackets. We didn't know what was coming next.
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PHILLIPS: A freak wave rocks the boat. A cruise ship nightmare. The passengers tell their stories.
And a surrogate mom gets five times what she bargained for. She's carrying quintuplets and now plans to give up her fee.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. Miles worked the early shift today. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
Unprecedented openness, unparalleled ceremony, unconditional secrecy. Sixteen days after the death of Pope John Paul II, the conclave to choose a successor is underway.
So far, as we know, the 115 voting cardinals have yet to cast their first ballots, but they've already been a part of history. Never before has the world watched live on television the prayers and processions and professions leading up to the locking of the doors of the Sistine Chapel.
At that point, the eyes of the world moved to the Sistine chimney, which we'll show you continually in the corner of your screen. While we wait for the first puffs of smoke, let's turn to CNN Alessio Vinci. He's in St. Peter's Square. An amazing time, Alessio.
ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Amazing times, Kyra, and we don't even know whether there will be a vote, indeed, tonight or not. What we do know is that if the cardinals decide to vote, there will be, of course, smoke coming out of the chimney atop of the Sistine Chapel.
What is incredible here in St. Peter's Square is that, while we do not know even if the smoke will take place, thousands upon thousands of people have already gathered here, waiting for that moment. The crowd has doubled in the last hour or so. Around 7 in time -- 7 p.m., here in Rome at this time. That is when the Vatican had originally said the smoke could eventually come out.
Of course, white smoke, there is no pope. Black smoke, there is -- sorry. White smoke there is a pope. Black smoke there is no pope.
But nevertheless here, literally thousands of people are filling up quickly the square, because they want to be a part of this historical moment of an election of Pope John Paul II.
Several pilgrims telling us, for example, that they were too old and they didn't want to miss the election of this pope because an election like this comes up every 25 years or so. They didn't want to miss it. And therefore, they made the trip all the way from Cameron, for example, to be able to be here on this very historical day.
Now awaiting the results, of course, they were able to watch the procession live on television on these giant television screens set up here in St. Peter's Square as 115 cardinals, electors made their way to the palace from the Hall of the Blessing in the Apostolic Palace all the way down to the Sistine Chapel.
Broadcast live around the world but also here in St. Peter's Square as the cardinals took their oath, of course, an oath of secrecy because the vote has to remain secret, but also a vote and an oath to maintain and to fulfill the requirements of the Apostolic Constitution as set by Pope John Paul II as he revised the rules and regulations of this very complex vote that is taking place beginning, basically, now.
Now, we do not know, as I said, if there is a vote tonight, but we do know that, beginning tomorrow there will be two votes in the morning and two votes in the afternoon, and around 12 local time here in Rome, 6 a.m. Eastern and around 7 a.m. local time, 1 p.m. Eastern, that is when we expect the burning of the ballots of the first and possibly the second vote of each half day. That is when we're going to know whether the pope has been elected or not here.
PHILLIPS: All right, Alessio Vinci, we'll be in touch on a regular basis. Thank you so much.
Well, technology keeps Vatican in communion with its worldwide flock like never before, but it's also used like never before to keep the papal conclave airtight. We get some insights on the world's most secrets of elections from the man who wrote the book, really. John Allen is Rome correspondent for the "National Catholic Reporter," author of the 2002 book "Conclave" and a CNN Vatican analyst. He joins me live from Vatican City, along with Monsignor Kevin McCoy of the Pontifical North American College.
Great to have you both. John, let's start with you. I understand you've been talking with the cardinals. Is it fair to say, maybe they told you some things they weren't supposed to, or am I going a little too far there?
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Well, I think that's probably pushing it a little too far. The cardinals obviously take very seriously the promises of confidentially and secrecy they've made.
But on the other hand the cardinals recognize that the election of the next pope is an event of extraordinary global importance, not just for the 1.1 billion Roman Catholics in the world, but for people of other faiths or of no faith who understand that the papacy is nevertheless an enormously consequential position.
And in light of that, the cardinals have been willing to talk to us, not so much about who they're going to vote for but about the kind of profile of man that they're looking for and also some of the issues that they see facing the church.
And I think among many of the cardinals there is general agreement on what some of those front burner issues would be. Things like the challenge of secularism in Western Europe and north America; the relationship with Islam and where the next pope should take that relationship; the growing problem of the gap between rich and poor in the world; and, also, the question of governance within the church and whether or not the current system is working or whether, perhaps, there ought to be something of a decentralization of power from Rome to the local churches and the bishop conferences. That's called, in Catholic parlance, collegiality.
These are all things certainly the cardinals have been talking about. They would see them as serious challenges awaiting the next pope. And obviously, Kyra, they understand this choice they are making for, potentially beginning right now as we speak, is the most monumental choice they will make in their careers as cardinals. To some extent, it is the moment their entire careers have been preparing them for. And so obviously, they're taking this very, very seriously.
PHILLIPS: All right. Let's talk more about that profile. I'll just pick out a couple of things that you mentioned, and we'll bring in Monsignor McCoy on this, too. I'll let you two just decide who wants to say what when we talk about, say, the profile of an optimistic pope, a media savvy pope, a pope that will reach out and identify with all faiths and individuals in his flock.
Reading about cardinals Tettamanzi and Demiles (ph), and I hope I am pronouncing these properly -- I know you guys will help me with that -- what do you think? These are two cardinals I've been reading about that definitely, Monsignor, are media savvy.
MONSIGNOR KEVIN MCCOY: Certainly. I mean, both of those cardinals would be men who are media savvy. But a particular recommendation for Cardinal Tettamanzi, in my opinion, as one who's taught theology here in Italy before he was ever moved on to the episcopacy. He's just an extremely intelligent man.
I think some of those issues that John pointed out just a -- just a while ago, he would be a particular leader who, in many respects, could bring the faith of the church to bear in these particular issues, whether it be the relation with other religions, non-Catholic, non -- and we might say that relationship with Islam, or whether it be a matter of the whole idea of the haves and the have-nots, the rich and the poor.
He's going to bring a real insight of the faith to bear in those, and find and look for solutions that aren't necessarily political solutions.
PHILLIPS: And also, John, you mentioned dealing with Europe. Interesting point. If you want to talk about Cardinal Scola, he's definitely known for making the attempt to heal that division between church and culture. Would this be someone who would be quite savvy when -- when dealing with Europe?
ALLEN: Yes, I think so. I mean, Cardinal Angelo Scola of Venice comes out of a theological school in Roman Catholicism known as the Camudial (ph) School. He is therefore something of a disciple of one of the most famous theologians of the 20th Century, Hans Urs von Balthasar.
And there's a lot of reflection inside that movement on precisely this question. How does the church engage? How does it -- to use a church word -- how does it evangelize? That is, take the gospel to contemporary secular culture.
And I think Cardinal Scola is someone who has an interesting combination of a very strong, almost tenacious commitment to the traditional doctrines of the church and yet at the same time, a great commitment to translating those doctrines into language that makes sense to modern men and women.
He is a widely published theologian in his own right. He was also a colleague of Kevin's as a rector of one of the Roman universities here for a number of years, the Lateran University, the pope's university in Rome. And I think that universally high marks for his administrative skills and also the vision he brought to that position.
I think he would be somebody that a lot of cardinals would look at as potentially holding, if not the answer, at least the beginnings of an answer to the question of how does the church get its message across in this very secularized, almost post-religious culture that sometimes seems to turn a deaf ear to a spiritual message.
PHILLIPS: All right. Both of you talked about the challenge of Islam. So I want you both to respond to this. Monsignor McCoy, let's start with you. Pope John Paul, you know, he went to Nigeria, where there are bitter and violent divisions. He has addressed Muslim Central Asia. He's been to that area. Sudan also, the civil war. Looking at the Nigerian connection, is this where Cardinal Arinze might come into play?
MCCOY: Well, he -- he certainly could. He would be one who, for the next pope, if it's not Cardinal Arinze himself, he might be able to provide him with a great insight into Nigeria and how he might well approach the people of that land and particularly, the various religious groups within that land.
But, again, I think the next pope is certainly going to be one who's inspired by the gospel and wants to see those, really, spears turned into plowshares. He doesn't want to see war reign any longer. He wants to promote peace and he wants to -- people to realize and to recognize who they need to be in terms of the respect for human -- for human beings, for human dignity.
And those are people in the Muslim faith who have a belief in God, just as Catholics and Christians in our western world. And, of course, I come from a little town of Sioux City, Iowa, and we have many Muslims there as well. And we've -- we've been able to live quite peacefully and support one another in terms of, you know, really, the human support that needs to be done.
PHILLIPS: Monsignor Kevin McCoy, our Vatican analyst John Allen. We're going to talk more. Thank you so much. We'll continue to address those issues, and, of course, in the corner of our screen we watch that chimney.
And throughout the day we're going to be keeping a watch on that chimney at the Vatican in that box at the bottom of the screen that I told you. We're watching for the signal that the cardinals have picked a new pope. It's the white smoke that means the decision.
Also ahead on LIVE FROM, a police chase reaches the tipping point. We're going to show you what happened next. Oh!
And live pictures now of the New York Stock Exchange. Take a look at the big board here. After a big dive last week. Will Wall Street have a rebound today?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And we're live here in Oklahoma City where a week-long series of remembrances, commemorating the tenth anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing is underway. When we come back, we'll have the story of one of the most popular symbols here at this memorial.
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(WEATHER REPORT) SARAH DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Now, Onstott allegedly confessed to strangling and killing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde and then dumping her body in a fish pond only a half mile from her home.
Today investigators drained that pond, searching for any more evidence that could possibly be in there.
This murder, allegedly committed by a convicted sex offender, comes only two months after Jessica Lunsford's case in Homosassa, Florida, a very similar one, that has people and politicians in this state questioning the system. Mark Ober, he state's attorney here, addressed those questions.
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MIKE OBER, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY: I don't think the system fails. We have the best system -- the state attorneys, you know, we had almost 90,000 cases come through this office last year. We try over 500 jury trials.
You've been in court this morning. You've seen what the courtrooms look like. We're not making excuses. We're accountable for what we do but the system has not failed. And we're going to make certain that it doesn't fail today on Onstott. We're going forward with him and we're going to be aggressive in the prosecution of that case.
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DORSEY: And the medical examiner's office said a partial autopsy has been completed on Sarah Lunde, but there are still further tests to be done. We could get a final, official cause of death later today -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right. Sarah Dorsey, thanks so much.
Well, a jailhouse shooting in Rhode Island. A detective shot and killed with his own gun by a suspect. We've just got the chilling pictures of that suspect in the shooting. He's now charged with murder.
Reporter Delia Goncalves with our affiliate WPRI in Providence has more on what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God!
DELIA GONCALVES, WPRI REPORTER (voice-over): As badly injured Esteban Carpio walked into his arraignment, his family members absolutely lose it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quiet.
GONCALVES: The accused shooter barely able to talk, bloody, bruised. His face swollen, eyes nearly shut. A plastic mask covering most of his face and his family members led out of the courtroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son (ph) is not guilty! Not guilty! Not guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His face is massacred. They massacred him! I'm surprised he's still alive the way he looked.
GONCALVES: Providence police say the 26-year-old shot and killed 27-year veteran detective James Allen early Sunday morning as he was being interviewed about a stabbing.
Police say when a second officer stepped out of a conference room, Carpio stole the detective's service gun and shot him twice. Then they say he shot through a double paned glass window, jumping three stories to the ground. Carpio was arrested a short distance away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're sorry about what happened. We tried to get this boy hospital help, psychiatric help, and he was released a number of times in the last 30 days, but we are very sorry about what happened. But he obviously has been beaten very badly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Initially when we went to the hospital, we talked to the police. They said he only had a leg injury and some minor lacerations. They wouldn't let us see him. Seeing him now, his whole face is just -- massacred!
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PHILLIPS: That report once again from Delia Goncalves with our affiliate WPRI in Providence.
Well, candlelight and tears continue in Oklahoma City as residents prepare to mark a devastating anniversary. CNN's Ed Lavandera now with more on the scars that remain just 10 years later -- Ed.
LAVANDERA: Hi, Kyra.
Well, we expect thousands of people to make their way to Oklahoma City to be involved in this memorial service. It's not just today and tomorrow. It's part of a week-long process of events that are scheduled here, some thousands of people streaming through here over the weekend.
They come not only to the memorial but also to the museum here. Some three million people since all of this opened five years ago.
But there's one symbol here that attracts the most attention. It's actually become the symbol of the memorial, and that's what's known as the survivor tree. This is a tree that is more than 80 years old. It's an American elm tree. And before the bombing it somehow survived in a parking lot, and many people came here and found shade underneath there.
But the day of the bombing, the tree took quite a hit. Many pieces of debris came flying from the building and landed in the tree. At some point, investigators almost chopped down this tree. But instead, they starting chopped down branches to collect evidence from the tree.
But over the years the tree has fought its way back, and you can see a live picture of it now, the tree blooming. And I can tell you that this is one well-taken care of tree. A special irrigation system, and it's a nice place. From there it sits a little bit higher above the memorial. And you see many people who gather underneath the tree there on the hot days that you can find here in Oklahoma.
And from there you can kind of look down over the reflection pond and see the chairs of the -- the chairs that have been put in the memorial for each of the 168 victims.
There's an inscription around the tree that reads, "The spirit of this city and this nation will not be defeated. Our deeply rooted faith sustains us." And this is a symbol of resilience, they like to say here, and one that they're very proud of.
Memorial services will continue throughout the day. The main part, the signature event, tomorrow as 168 seconds of silence are observed here, and many dignitaries will come to speak as well as many of the survivors and the victims who were involved in that deadly day 10 years ago.
As they like to say here, this is an anniversary of looking forward, not necessarily looking back, but they want the world to know that they have sustained a lot here and they've dealt with a lot here and that they are moving forward -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right. Ed Lavandera, thank you so much.
In other news across America now, one child is dead and 14 other elementary students are injured in a school bus accident this morning in a Washington suburb. It happened when the bus collided with a garbage truck as the bus was apparently trying to make a left turn at a busy intersection. Both drivers are critically injured.
Wild pictures from Clayton County, Georgia. A so-called slow- speed chase ends up with the quarry running of the road and overturning. The case began when the truck was reported stolen and continued for about 40 minutes. No immediate word on the injuries.
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BURGESS: It was absolutely horrible. I was trembling for my life.
PHILLIPS: Cruise in chaos. A freak wave seven stories high washes away plans for smooth sailing. Survivors share stories.
Later on LIVE FROM, a soldier loses his foot in battle, but not his will to fight. Captain David Rozelle returns to action. We'll talk to him in Baghdad.
Later on LIVE FROM, he's taught us to live strong. But is Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong pedaling off into the sunset? A big career announcement expected today.
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JAMES FRALEY, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGER: The main wave that was 70 foot, they hit between 6 and 6:30 in the morning, at that time, that's what caused damage in the front of the ship. But the damage on the inside of the ship, excuse me, was prior to that. That was -- we were at sea for 24 hours, at the mercy of the sea. Restaurants were destroyed inside there, antique stores, Jacuzzis off the 12th floor, in the ocean.
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PHILLIPS: Wow. Not so bon voyage after all. The tempest tossed passengers of the Norwegian Dawn returned to safe harbor in New York just a few hours ago with a boat-load of harrowing tales. Despite crew efforts to calm and appease passengers in the aftermath of the foul weather, about 300 of them abandoned ship when the Dawn checked in for repairs in Charleston, South Carolina.
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BURGESS: When we were going through all of this, they offered free drinks. Free drinks. Can you believe that? They want people drunk while we're going through all of this mess? And then they offered 25 percent off of your next cruise. Who wants to go on a next cruise? I sure don't!
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PHILLIPS: Mary Snow, live in New York where the ship just docked.
I don't know. I don't know if you want to go aboard and do any kind of inside report on the condition of the ship, Mary?
MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'll tell you, Kyra. That was just some of the reaction. We also met up with a couple that just came back from their honeymoon. The husband was afraid to fly. They took this cruise. He says never again.
We're going to show you some video from inside the cruise, when the cruise line says early Saturday morning this ship hit a freak wave. The cruise line saying that the captain saying that he hasn't seen a wave like this in 17 years. The cruise line saying this was clearly unsettling.
Some passengers, though, walked off the ship saying, you know, it wasn't all that bad. Others said that they really feared for their lives.
The cruise line said at no point did anyone put on life -- were told to put on life vests, but some people voluntarily did so early Saturday morning, that there was rocky seas and that at one point this tidal -- this big wave hit. And Bill Hamlin of fleet operations says, though, at no time was the ship in any danger.
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BILL HAMLIN, NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINE: This was a freak wave that we had no control over. I think the ship handled it very well. The ship is built to withstand waves, withstand storm conditions. But as I said, we were never in an unsafe situation.
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SNOW: Now, this wave coming right after 6 a.m. on Saturday morning. Showing you some pictures of a funnel that some people caught on tape on this ship.
Four people were injured. The cruise line saying these injuries were not serious, that they were mostly cuts and bruises and that when the ship was diverted to South Carolina yesterday, more than 300 people decided to get off. The others came here this morning.
About 62 cabins had been flooded. The cruise line saying, though, that the Coast Guard did inspect the ship as you see behind me, and it is slated to leave here New York later this afternoon for its next cruise -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: So Mary, has anyone come forward and just talked about this freak wave and the whole scientific explanation behind how it happened?
SNOW: But you know, everybody everyone we've been talking to really saying that, you know, the boat had been rocking for several hours all night long. We talked to one couple who said that they had been in their cabin throughout the night and that they really saw things in their cabin moving back and forth for several hours, and nobody could really explain it. But the people were also watching weather reports, and knew that it was going to be rough seas.
PHILLIPS: All right. We'll throw it down to the weather folks, see if they can explain it for us. Mary Snow, thanks so much.
Well, the stock market at its lowest level of the year, and a growing number of investors don't see a recovery any time soon. Why are the investors in such a funk? Let's go to Susan Lisovicz. She's live from the New York Stock Exchange.
Hi, Susan.
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