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Michael Jackson on Trial; The Hunt for Rick Sanchez

Aired May 05, 2005 - 13:33   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: More now on the story that we've been following throughout the day, those small explosions that shattered a few windows and definitely frayed many nerves at a building housing the British consulate in New York.
Richard Roth joining us live from the U.N. now.

Evidently, somebody now being questioned, Richard.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Kyra.

A United Nations' employee is being questioned. He's been detained in connection with the early-morning explosions outside a building housing the British consulate. This United Nations' employee is a Dutch citizen who is an employee at the United Nations agency called UNMOVIC, which many of our viewers may remember because UNMOVIC, which handles weapons inspections for the United Nations, was heavily involved in probing Saddam Hussein's weapons capabilities before the Gulf War.

Now this man has not been charged with anything yet. They are not officially giving outed name, but he is described as an analyst for the UNMOVIC agency.

Now one official did tell me that if he was charged in connection with the blast, he would not be covered by diplomatic immunity. The immunity offered by his U.N. service would only be in place if he was carrying out duties on behalf of the United Nations.

But we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. All we know so far is that this Dutch citizen is being questioned. He's a U.N. employee, and he's currently being questioned now. There are various U.N. meetings going on. Security was tightened here at the United Nations, but no other threats were received, according to a spokesman from the U.N. -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right, Richard Roth, we'll continue to check in with you. Thank you -- Miles.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, after 10 weeks of testimony that, in many cases, sounded like it would have been good for the defense, the prosecution in the Michael Jackson case has finished, and finished with a whimper. Some are calling it a disaster.

Joining us to talk a little bit about it and give us a sense of what is going on is longtime trial county, former superior court Judge in Dekalb County, Keegan Federal. Keegan, good to have you with us.

KEEGAN FEDERAL, FMR. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE: Nice to be back, Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right, disastrous case for the prosecution?

FEDERAL: No question. If it's not in shambles, it's certainly in disarray.

O'BRIEN: What happened? How did they make so many errors along the way? That old bromide about an attorney should never ask a question which he doesn't know the answer to.

FEDERAL: Absolutely, and that happened repeatedly to the prosecution throughout this case. Another bromide is that you should always end on a high note. And they ended yesterday with a witness who was apparently testifying to things that they never expected him to testify to. And as a result, they end up on a very low note once again.

O'BRIEN: We're watching Tom Sneddon there, the prosecutor there, in that part of the world. There are some -- a lot have written stories about how he might have taken this particular case very personally, and that might in some way have failed the case. Is that possible?

FEDERAL: I suppose it's possible. Tom Sneddon's a career prosecutor. He's done nothing since he finished law school but prosecute cases. He's been re-elected, believe, it's six times by the citizens of Santa Barbara.

On the other hand, I have to say with all that experience and insight that he has in the prosecution, in the criminal justice system, I'm amazed that this case fell apart for him the way it did. I'm concerned now that he -- for his sake, he need to stop worrying about how he's going to win the Jackson case and start worrying about how he's going to win re-election.

O'BRIEN: That's really what's at stake I suppose at this point. OK, there will be routine defense motions for acquittal, to end the trial now. Those probably won't be honored.

FEDERAL: I wouldn't be surprised to see the judge grant perhaps the motion to dismiss the conspiracy count.

O'BRIEN: Well, that case was pretty weak.

FEDERAL: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: And there was an awful lot of time spent on that whole conspiracy notion, you know, hot air balloon ride to Oz or something, I don't know.

FEDERAL: And so what?

O'BRIEN: Truly bizarre stuff, and it doesn't have anything to do with the case at hand.

FEDERAL: Right.

O'BRIEN: OK, so that portion might be taken out of it. Nevertheless, the rest of it will press on. I suppose as a defense attorney, you might be tempted to do nothing, to say, we rest.

FEDERAL: I think that's a possibility. They've been talking about how Tom Mesereau, the defense attorney would take six to eight weeks to put on his defense. I don't believe that. I think it's gone so well for him and as bright as he is -- he's got an excellent record as a defense attorney -- I think you're going to see him cut very short, maybe a maximum of a week or two weeks at the most, to present just enough evidence to prove that the major contentions against Jackson simply aren't true. I think that you're going to see a very abbreviated case now by the defense attorneys.

O'BRIEN: Because he can afford to do that.

FEDERAL: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: Of course the big question, is he in such a good shape right now that he doesn't have to contemplate putting Michael Jackson on stand?

FEDERAL: Absolutely. I don't think he needs to, I don't think he should, and I don't think he will.

O'BRIEN: All right. But I suspect there might be an upside to all of that, potentially.

FEDERAL: To putting him on the stand?

O'BRIEN: Yes, yes, wouldn't there?

FEDERAL: There's always a theory that the jury likes to hear from the defendant, but we do live in America. Juries do take the presumption of innocence very seriously in my experience, and I've seen juries on many occasions acquit people of very serious crimes when they did not take the witness stand in their own defense.

O'BRIEN: So your prediction, Michael Jackson walks.

FEDERAL: Exactly, and without taking the witness stand.

O'BRIEN: All right, final thought here, let's shift gears, let's talk about the runaway bride here for just a moment.

FEDERAL: Of course.

O'BRIEN: It appears -- of course, naturally. We feel compelled. She is going to talk today, 4:00 p.m. Eastern, or her representative will. And we're seeing dribs and drab coming out of Duluth, Georgia, which appears to indicate they're heading toward some sort of deal to avoid a criminal case. Does this case belong in a criminal courtroom? FEDERAL: I don't think so. I don't think anybody's calling for the criminal prosecution of her. There is a theory, of course, and the prosecutor, Danny Porter, mentioned this the other day, that in order to have some control over her, to be sure that she does do the community service, that she does pay some restitution to the taxpayers, to the city of Duluth, that they may need her under the control of a probation sentence to make that a condition of the probation or require her to do those things.

But as a practical matter, these sorts deals are cut all the time. The police make decisions whether or not to arrest people, even though there's clear evidence of a crime. The district attorney makes decisions whether or not to prosecute people, even though there's clear evidence of a crime. And they're simply doing this deal in public, if you will, because the public's very interested in this case.

O'BRIEN: To say the least. The lime light can change some things, though, but we'll watch it.

FEDERAL: Absolutely.

O'BRIEN: All right, look for a deal in that one, I guess.

Keegan Federal, thank you for dropping by.

FEDERAL: My pleasure. Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Coming up next if you loved it when he got tasered, you're going to love this even more.

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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: I'll try to separate myself. And the best you can do...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: All right, Rick, you got to get on the treadmill a little more often there. He's on the run from the cops, and he's trying to fool the amazing of Lola the bloodhound. You know you can't outrun a woman. Why is this reporter hoofing it though the Georgia pines? Find out next.

O'BRIEN: My money's on Lola.

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O'BRIEN: I'm sorry, I'm just a little winded. I've been running from the law. I'm hiding out here at the CNN Center. I'm going to change my identity right now. There. How's that?

PHILLIPS: Proof that CNN reporters make lousy fugitives from the law. O'BRIEN: All right, Rick Sanchez -- and we're having a little fun at his expense. But he did try a little experiment. He tried to run from the law, and he met up with Lola.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good girl.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Welcome to Man Tracker 2005 in the woods of Coweta County, Georgia, where local police and state agencies brush up every year on the very techniques that could save lives, maybe their own. Among the techniques, tracking and finding a fugitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We call it a traffic stop just like a normal traffic stop would be. At the point we get stopped, once I step out of the vehicle to make contact with the driver, you guys will bail out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USB-589, Kelly command post. (ph)

SANCHEZ: In Georgia law enforcement terms, what you are about to see is called a "bush bomb," a routine traffic stop that suddenly turns into a man hunt when the suspects bolt. Trooper Tony Hightower (ph) says it happens more often than we think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know why they are running, number one. It may be a murder suspect. It may be they don't have driver's license. They may have beer in the car. It may be something as simple as that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wayne, could you -- get you about two or 300 feet above.

SANCHEZ: The exercise is going to be conducted just like the real thing. There will be two suspects. The first, Phil Kirksy (ph) who happens to be a real corrections officer and experienced tracker. The second, the next person they could find, me, a television correspondent with a bit of curiosity and a willingness to not take himself too seriously.

After getting pulled, over the troopers mounted camera catches us making a run for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's haul ass.

SANCHEZ: My handycam recorded the get away. The dense Georgia woods would seem to any suspect, a perfect hiding place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two white males, bush bomb.

SANCHEZ: As we run through the woods, Trooper Hightower does not give chase. Experience and training tell him that would be the wrong thing to do. His job is to set up a perimeter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. 10-4. You got 10-77? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10-4, 911 (INAUDIBLE) county unit in the area.

SANCHEZ: He calls for more units, a helicopter and, what may be the best weapon of all, a bloodhound.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And also need any K-9 units in the area.

SANCHEZ: Back in the woods, we're still running. The feeling of being hunted creates a sensation of both desperation and confusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the things that comes to mind right away is, you figure they're looking at you, and they got a good look at you when you tried to get out of the car. So, if you could somehow change your appearance, you might be able to throw them off. One of the keys is to just take off whatever clothes you have, and just leave it behind, and take off.

SANCHEZ: After running through the woods and into a clearing, we hear the first sounds of the helicopter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear the chopper. We want to stay out of this clearing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, girl.

SANCHEZ: While we're looking for another place to hide, the tracking team arrives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The dog will find him within 20.

SANCHEZ: As we run, we're shedding millions of cells. Think of it as a constant trail of microscopic pieces of your own skin. It is undetectable to us, but for Lola -- she's the bloodhound -- it is easy pickings.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right through there.

SANCHEZ: And she picks up our scent almost immediately. But it's a helicopter that still has us worried at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to find our way to an area over here that is covered. We think they won't be ale to see us here, because there's no way the helicopter can spot us. This looks open here, but the tree cover above us might possibly block out the helicopter. This would be the best bet right here.

SANCHEZ: So the idea then is to try to hunker down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hunker down and wait it out.

SANCHEZ: That's when Phil spots the tracking team on our heels.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see the dogs coming. Get down. They are coming to us. We got nowhere to go. SANCHEZ: What I'm going to do now is try and separate myself from the other suspect, figuring, by separating the scents, the dogs that are chasing us will get confused, and they won't be bale to find me.

Heading off on my own turns out to be the right move. Phil is immediately captured.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see your hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I give up!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down. Good girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't shoot, I give up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him, girl. You can get up, boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, don't shoot. I'm getting up.

SANCHEZ: It's taken Lola just six minutes to find her first fugitive. And, now, she has picked up the next human scent: mine.

I'm figuring they already got the other suspect. I'm going to see how long I can stay on the run before they find me.

By continuing to run I seem to be able to stay ahead of the trackers, but what I can't do is run away from the sound of the helicopter blades.

They are in the woods. You know you are being hunted. You really don't know which direction to go in. You just -- your instincts will tell you, don't go in a clearing because they'll see you, and the best you can do is try and confuse the dogs so they can't pick up your scent.

Figuring if I can get away across this creek, I might be able to...

But it's probably me who is confused. I follow some railroad tracks hoping to find a way out. Instead, I spot what I think will be a decent hiding place.

I found a highway overpass. I figure if I can get a little slot underneath this thing, the helicopter won't be able to see me.

But Lola is relentless. I don't realize it but she is getting closer. Now I've hunkered down, hoping to wait them out.

Here's a little corner I'm tucked into. Nothing but concrete barriers and dirtdaubers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show your hands! Good girl.

SANCHEZ: You found my spot, huh? Well, I guess this is where guys would normally hide out, right? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yes, this and anywhere else they can. As long as we keep tracking you, and they keep you pinned down as a team effort, it's hard to get away.

SANCHEZ: My brief career as a fugitive is over. Fifteen to 20 minutes after finding Phil, Lola's nose and trainer Matt Gorely's (ph) experience proved unbeatable. Even my tricks didn't work, not even crossing the creek. I'm told it was neither deep enough nor wide enough to hide my scent.

SANCHEZ: So, no matter how many circles I did out there in the woods, eventually these bloodhounds are going to get my scent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. (INAUDIBLE) stay with it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to stay out there with them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, they never give up. That's the thing about them. They run. They run until we get tired.

SANCHEZ: Lola goes back in her cage, and if I had been a real fugitive, I would be off to jail.

Rick Sanchez, CNN, Newnan, Georgia.

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O'BRIEN: I hope Lola got a little treat there. You know, one thing Rick should not do on the Coolhand Rick do, he shouldn't do that hard-boiled egg eating contest. I don't think that would be very good for him.

PHILLIPS: Got to give credit to the photographer. We forgot to do that.

O'BRIEN: Rick. He shot it him himself.

PHILLIPS: He was holding the camera the whole time?

O'BRIEN: Well, a lot of that was just him doing this, you know, yes.

PHILLIPS: Really. That's the next part. Well, that's the best line was, "My days of being a fugitive are over."

O'BRIEN: Well, I was thinking a next assignment for him would be to put him in a chain gang and see if he could escape. Maybe we can do that. We'll keep you posted. Time for us to take a break.

PHILLIPS: We'll be right back.

O'BRIEN: Don't be fugitive to us now. Come back.

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PHILLIPS: These live pictures coming in to us from KCAL, one of our affiliates in Los Angeles, California. This is the aftermath of an L.A. City fire truck that got into an accident with an oncoming car. We're told that one fatality has been called out on this accident. It occurred near the University of Southern California, in Los Angeles. The fatality is the individual that was in vehicle that actually went underneath this fire truck when they collided.

Two other passengers were transported with serious to moderate injuries. Four firefighters were on this engine and have serious to moderate injuries. We're going to keep you posted on what we find out, as soon as we get more information on this collision that has taken place. Once again, the L.A. City fire truck and an oncoming vehicle there in the USC area of Los Angeles. One fatality at this point. We'll continue to update you.

O'BRIEN: All right. And a sad passing to tell you about. A giant in the military and also a giant among those who were early opponents of the Vietnam War. David Hackworth, a retired army colonel, has passed away at the age of 74. Apparently had bladder cancer, according to his wife. His wife saying, he died in my arms yesterday morning. And he went -- 1971 as the army's youngest colonel, spoke out on national television, calling the Vietnam War a bad war and, thus, coalescing a group around him of people who were that war. David Hackworth, dead at the age of 74. Back with more in a moment.

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O'BRIEN: Tony Blair going for a three-peat. I wonder if they call it that over there? Pat Riley (ph) is trying to get proceeds from that. Anyway, elections today in Great Britain, results pending.

PHILLIPS: Also coming up in the second hour of LIVE FROM, CNN's own Bill Schneider is in the swing in London -- is in London, swinging.

O'BRIEN: Right. That's on the till there. You probably want to talk about that.

PHILLIPS: Not matching up very well. This, actually, much more serious story. It's a story that we've been on actually for more than a year. We're talking about opening up the forensic file here. A civil rights era murder victim. We're talking about Emmett Till. His remains will be exhumed. What do investigators hope to find? Well, our guest has answers. We'll talk about it.

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Aired May 5, 2005 - 13:33   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: More now on the story that we've been following throughout the day, those small explosions that shattered a few windows and definitely frayed many nerves at a building housing the British consulate in New York.
Richard Roth joining us live from the U.N. now.

Evidently, somebody now being questioned, Richard.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Kyra.

A United Nations' employee is being questioned. He's been detained in connection with the early-morning explosions outside a building housing the British consulate. This United Nations' employee is a Dutch citizen who is an employee at the United Nations agency called UNMOVIC, which many of our viewers may remember because UNMOVIC, which handles weapons inspections for the United Nations, was heavily involved in probing Saddam Hussein's weapons capabilities before the Gulf War.

Now this man has not been charged with anything yet. They are not officially giving outed name, but he is described as an analyst for the UNMOVIC agency.

Now one official did tell me that if he was charged in connection with the blast, he would not be covered by diplomatic immunity. The immunity offered by his U.N. service would only be in place if he was carrying out duties on behalf of the United Nations.

But we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. All we know so far is that this Dutch citizen is being questioned. He's a U.N. employee, and he's currently being questioned now. There are various U.N. meetings going on. Security was tightened here at the United Nations, but no other threats were received, according to a spokesman from the U.N. -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right, Richard Roth, we'll continue to check in with you. Thank you -- Miles.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, after 10 weeks of testimony that, in many cases, sounded like it would have been good for the defense, the prosecution in the Michael Jackson case has finished, and finished with a whimper. Some are calling it a disaster.

Joining us to talk a little bit about it and give us a sense of what is going on is longtime trial county, former superior court Judge in Dekalb County, Keegan Federal. Keegan, good to have you with us.

KEEGAN FEDERAL, FMR. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE: Nice to be back, Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right, disastrous case for the prosecution?

FEDERAL: No question. If it's not in shambles, it's certainly in disarray.

O'BRIEN: What happened? How did they make so many errors along the way? That old bromide about an attorney should never ask a question which he doesn't know the answer to.

FEDERAL: Absolutely, and that happened repeatedly to the prosecution throughout this case. Another bromide is that you should always end on a high note. And they ended yesterday with a witness who was apparently testifying to things that they never expected him to testify to. And as a result, they end up on a very low note once again.

O'BRIEN: We're watching Tom Sneddon there, the prosecutor there, in that part of the world. There are some -- a lot have written stories about how he might have taken this particular case very personally, and that might in some way have failed the case. Is that possible?

FEDERAL: I suppose it's possible. Tom Sneddon's a career prosecutor. He's done nothing since he finished law school but prosecute cases. He's been re-elected, believe, it's six times by the citizens of Santa Barbara.

On the other hand, I have to say with all that experience and insight that he has in the prosecution, in the criminal justice system, I'm amazed that this case fell apart for him the way it did. I'm concerned now that he -- for his sake, he need to stop worrying about how he's going to win the Jackson case and start worrying about how he's going to win re-election.

O'BRIEN: That's really what's at stake I suppose at this point. OK, there will be routine defense motions for acquittal, to end the trial now. Those probably won't be honored.

FEDERAL: I wouldn't be surprised to see the judge grant perhaps the motion to dismiss the conspiracy count.

O'BRIEN: Well, that case was pretty weak.

FEDERAL: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: And there was an awful lot of time spent on that whole conspiracy notion, you know, hot air balloon ride to Oz or something, I don't know.

FEDERAL: And so what?

O'BRIEN: Truly bizarre stuff, and it doesn't have anything to do with the case at hand.

FEDERAL: Right.

O'BRIEN: OK, so that portion might be taken out of it. Nevertheless, the rest of it will press on. I suppose as a defense attorney, you might be tempted to do nothing, to say, we rest.

FEDERAL: I think that's a possibility. They've been talking about how Tom Mesereau, the defense attorney would take six to eight weeks to put on his defense. I don't believe that. I think it's gone so well for him and as bright as he is -- he's got an excellent record as a defense attorney -- I think you're going to see him cut very short, maybe a maximum of a week or two weeks at the most, to present just enough evidence to prove that the major contentions against Jackson simply aren't true. I think that you're going to see a very abbreviated case now by the defense attorneys.

O'BRIEN: Because he can afford to do that.

FEDERAL: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: Of course the big question, is he in such a good shape right now that he doesn't have to contemplate putting Michael Jackson on stand?

FEDERAL: Absolutely. I don't think he needs to, I don't think he should, and I don't think he will.

O'BRIEN: All right. But I suspect there might be an upside to all of that, potentially.

FEDERAL: To putting him on the stand?

O'BRIEN: Yes, yes, wouldn't there?

FEDERAL: There's always a theory that the jury likes to hear from the defendant, but we do live in America. Juries do take the presumption of innocence very seriously in my experience, and I've seen juries on many occasions acquit people of very serious crimes when they did not take the witness stand in their own defense.

O'BRIEN: So your prediction, Michael Jackson walks.

FEDERAL: Exactly, and without taking the witness stand.

O'BRIEN: All right, final thought here, let's shift gears, let's talk about the runaway bride here for just a moment.

FEDERAL: Of course.

O'BRIEN: It appears -- of course, naturally. We feel compelled. She is going to talk today, 4:00 p.m. Eastern, or her representative will. And we're seeing dribs and drab coming out of Duluth, Georgia, which appears to indicate they're heading toward some sort of deal to avoid a criminal case. Does this case belong in a criminal courtroom? FEDERAL: I don't think so. I don't think anybody's calling for the criminal prosecution of her. There is a theory, of course, and the prosecutor, Danny Porter, mentioned this the other day, that in order to have some control over her, to be sure that she does do the community service, that she does pay some restitution to the taxpayers, to the city of Duluth, that they may need her under the control of a probation sentence to make that a condition of the probation or require her to do those things.

But as a practical matter, these sorts deals are cut all the time. The police make decisions whether or not to arrest people, even though there's clear evidence of a crime. The district attorney makes decisions whether or not to prosecute people, even though there's clear evidence of a crime. And they're simply doing this deal in public, if you will, because the public's very interested in this case.

O'BRIEN: To say the least. The lime light can change some things, though, but we'll watch it.

FEDERAL: Absolutely.

O'BRIEN: All right, look for a deal in that one, I guess.

Keegan Federal, thank you for dropping by.

FEDERAL: My pleasure. Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Coming up next if you loved it when he got tasered, you're going to love this even more.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: I'll try to separate myself. And the best you can do...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: All right, Rick, you got to get on the treadmill a little more often there. He's on the run from the cops, and he's trying to fool the amazing of Lola the bloodhound. You know you can't outrun a woman. Why is this reporter hoofing it though the Georgia pines? Find out next.

O'BRIEN: My money's on Lola.

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O'BRIEN: I'm sorry, I'm just a little winded. I've been running from the law. I'm hiding out here at the CNN Center. I'm going to change my identity right now. There. How's that?

PHILLIPS: Proof that CNN reporters make lousy fugitives from the law. O'BRIEN: All right, Rick Sanchez -- and we're having a little fun at his expense. But he did try a little experiment. He tried to run from the law, and he met up with Lola.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good girl.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Welcome to Man Tracker 2005 in the woods of Coweta County, Georgia, where local police and state agencies brush up every year on the very techniques that could save lives, maybe their own. Among the techniques, tracking and finding a fugitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We call it a traffic stop just like a normal traffic stop would be. At the point we get stopped, once I step out of the vehicle to make contact with the driver, you guys will bail out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USB-589, Kelly command post. (ph)

SANCHEZ: In Georgia law enforcement terms, what you are about to see is called a "bush bomb," a routine traffic stop that suddenly turns into a man hunt when the suspects bolt. Trooper Tony Hightower (ph) says it happens more often than we think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know why they are running, number one. It may be a murder suspect. It may be they don't have driver's license. They may have beer in the car. It may be something as simple as that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wayne, could you -- get you about two or 300 feet above.

SANCHEZ: The exercise is going to be conducted just like the real thing. There will be two suspects. The first, Phil Kirksy (ph) who happens to be a real corrections officer and experienced tracker. The second, the next person they could find, me, a television correspondent with a bit of curiosity and a willingness to not take himself too seriously.

After getting pulled, over the troopers mounted camera catches us making a run for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's haul ass.

SANCHEZ: My handycam recorded the get away. The dense Georgia woods would seem to any suspect, a perfect hiding place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two white males, bush bomb.

SANCHEZ: As we run through the woods, Trooper Hightower does not give chase. Experience and training tell him that would be the wrong thing to do. His job is to set up a perimeter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. 10-4. You got 10-77? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10-4, 911 (INAUDIBLE) county unit in the area.

SANCHEZ: He calls for more units, a helicopter and, what may be the best weapon of all, a bloodhound.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And also need any K-9 units in the area.

SANCHEZ: Back in the woods, we're still running. The feeling of being hunted creates a sensation of both desperation and confusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the things that comes to mind right away is, you figure they're looking at you, and they got a good look at you when you tried to get out of the car. So, if you could somehow change your appearance, you might be able to throw them off. One of the keys is to just take off whatever clothes you have, and just leave it behind, and take off.

SANCHEZ: After running through the woods and into a clearing, we hear the first sounds of the helicopter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear the chopper. We want to stay out of this clearing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, girl.

SANCHEZ: While we're looking for another place to hide, the tracking team arrives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The dog will find him within 20.

SANCHEZ: As we run, we're shedding millions of cells. Think of it as a constant trail of microscopic pieces of your own skin. It is undetectable to us, but for Lola -- she's the bloodhound -- it is easy pickings.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right through there.

SANCHEZ: And she picks up our scent almost immediately. But it's a helicopter that still has us worried at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to find our way to an area over here that is covered. We think they won't be ale to see us here, because there's no way the helicopter can spot us. This looks open here, but the tree cover above us might possibly block out the helicopter. This would be the best bet right here.

SANCHEZ: So the idea then is to try to hunker down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hunker down and wait it out.

SANCHEZ: That's when Phil spots the tracking team on our heels.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see the dogs coming. Get down. They are coming to us. We got nowhere to go. SANCHEZ: What I'm going to do now is try and separate myself from the other suspect, figuring, by separating the scents, the dogs that are chasing us will get confused, and they won't be bale to find me.

Heading off on my own turns out to be the right move. Phil is immediately captured.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see your hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I give up!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down. Good girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't shoot, I give up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him, girl. You can get up, boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, don't shoot. I'm getting up.

SANCHEZ: It's taken Lola just six minutes to find her first fugitive. And, now, she has picked up the next human scent: mine.

I'm figuring they already got the other suspect. I'm going to see how long I can stay on the run before they find me.

By continuing to run I seem to be able to stay ahead of the trackers, but what I can't do is run away from the sound of the helicopter blades.

They are in the woods. You know you are being hunted. You really don't know which direction to go in. You just -- your instincts will tell you, don't go in a clearing because they'll see you, and the best you can do is try and confuse the dogs so they can't pick up your scent.

Figuring if I can get away across this creek, I might be able to...

But it's probably me who is confused. I follow some railroad tracks hoping to find a way out. Instead, I spot what I think will be a decent hiding place.

I found a highway overpass. I figure if I can get a little slot underneath this thing, the helicopter won't be able to see me.

But Lola is relentless. I don't realize it but she is getting closer. Now I've hunkered down, hoping to wait them out.

Here's a little corner I'm tucked into. Nothing but concrete barriers and dirtdaubers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show your hands! Good girl.

SANCHEZ: You found my spot, huh? Well, I guess this is where guys would normally hide out, right? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yes, this and anywhere else they can. As long as we keep tracking you, and they keep you pinned down as a team effort, it's hard to get away.

SANCHEZ: My brief career as a fugitive is over. Fifteen to 20 minutes after finding Phil, Lola's nose and trainer Matt Gorely's (ph) experience proved unbeatable. Even my tricks didn't work, not even crossing the creek. I'm told it was neither deep enough nor wide enough to hide my scent.

SANCHEZ: So, no matter how many circles I did out there in the woods, eventually these bloodhounds are going to get my scent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. (INAUDIBLE) stay with it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to stay out there with them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, they never give up. That's the thing about them. They run. They run until we get tired.

SANCHEZ: Lola goes back in her cage, and if I had been a real fugitive, I would be off to jail.

Rick Sanchez, CNN, Newnan, Georgia.

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O'BRIEN: I hope Lola got a little treat there. You know, one thing Rick should not do on the Coolhand Rick do, he shouldn't do that hard-boiled egg eating contest. I don't think that would be very good for him.

PHILLIPS: Got to give credit to the photographer. We forgot to do that.

O'BRIEN: Rick. He shot it him himself.

PHILLIPS: He was holding the camera the whole time?

O'BRIEN: Well, a lot of that was just him doing this, you know, yes.

PHILLIPS: Really. That's the next part. Well, that's the best line was, "My days of being a fugitive are over."

O'BRIEN: Well, I was thinking a next assignment for him would be to put him in a chain gang and see if he could escape. Maybe we can do that. We'll keep you posted. Time for us to take a break.

PHILLIPS: We'll be right back.

O'BRIEN: Don't be fugitive to us now. Come back.

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PHILLIPS: These live pictures coming in to us from KCAL, one of our affiliates in Los Angeles, California. This is the aftermath of an L.A. City fire truck that got into an accident with an oncoming car. We're told that one fatality has been called out on this accident. It occurred near the University of Southern California, in Los Angeles. The fatality is the individual that was in vehicle that actually went underneath this fire truck when they collided.

Two other passengers were transported with serious to moderate injuries. Four firefighters were on this engine and have serious to moderate injuries. We're going to keep you posted on what we find out, as soon as we get more information on this collision that has taken place. Once again, the L.A. City fire truck and an oncoming vehicle there in the USC area of Los Angeles. One fatality at this point. We'll continue to update you.

O'BRIEN: All right. And a sad passing to tell you about. A giant in the military and also a giant among those who were early opponents of the Vietnam War. David Hackworth, a retired army colonel, has passed away at the age of 74. Apparently had bladder cancer, according to his wife. His wife saying, he died in my arms yesterday morning. And he went -- 1971 as the army's youngest colonel, spoke out on national television, calling the Vietnam War a bad war and, thus, coalescing a group around him of people who were that war. David Hackworth, dead at the age of 74. Back with more in a moment.

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O'BRIEN: Tony Blair going for a three-peat. I wonder if they call it that over there? Pat Riley (ph) is trying to get proceeds from that. Anyway, elections today in Great Britain, results pending.

PHILLIPS: Also coming up in the second hour of LIVE FROM, CNN's own Bill Schneider is in the swing in London -- is in London, swinging.

O'BRIEN: Right. That's on the till there. You probably want to talk about that.

PHILLIPS: Not matching up very well. This, actually, much more serious story. It's a story that we've been on actually for more than a year. We're talking about opening up the forensic file here. A civil rights era murder victim. We're talking about Emmett Till. His remains will be exhumed. What do investigators hope to find? Well, our guest has answers. We'll talk about it.

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