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A Police Chase Ends in a Hail of Bullets in Compton, California; 'Podcasting'

Aired May 09, 2005 - 13:29   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Take a look at some live pictures now coming to us from Red Square, Moscow, as the celebration continues now, 60 years post-V.E. Day. Victory in Europe Day being celebrated there.
The president of the United States has been a part of all of this as he continues his tour through Eastern Europe, and the former Soviet Union. Georgia is on the president's mind today. And, of course, on his itinerary, as well. Stop four of that European tour, all about V.E. Day.

Mr. Bush caught the beat in Tbilisi after watching Russian soldiers strut their stuff in Red Square, the scene you saw live there. Mr. Bush not there at that moment.

CNN's Dana Bash reports it's time for politicians to tread lightly, letting the ceremony speak for itself.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cannons fire. The Soviet, now Russian anthem, plays. In Red Square, hundreds of soldiers march lockstep, carrying flags bearing the hammer and sickle.

Flower-holding veterans ride in vintage Soviet war vehicles, and next to Lenin's tomb in the reviewing stand, the American president, among the dozens of heads of state here paying tribute to the 27 million Soviets killed in World War II. An extraordinary gathering, sitting side by side, the victors of 60 years ago and the adversaries they defeated. Leaders from Germany, Japan and Italy. Open nostalgia for the Soviet war legacy, a seemingly awkward event for the president to attend, especially one hoping to make spreading democracy his legacy.

But he's here to honor Russia's incredible sacrifice and show respect for his friend, Vladimir Putin. Taking a seat of honor, Mr. Bush temporarily put aside increasingly public concern the Russian leader's retreating from Democratic ideals.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's a lot we can do together.

BASH: At one-on-one meetings the night before, Bush aides say he did press his fear Mr. Putin's backsliding on freedoms for Russians and trying to intimidate his neighbors moving toward democracy. But this was a day to put aside differences about the course of the future and, instead, honor the past. And the unknown soldiers who never returned from what the Russians call the great patriotic victory.

(on camera): Despite the public niceties, Russia's clearly irritated Mr. Bush is also visiting former Soviet states on the trip, publicly challenging Mr. Putin on Democratic reform. The White House notes the Russian leaders recently promised more freedoms, but one top official also admits he has yet to translate his words into deeds.

Dana Bash, CNN, Moscow.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Now back to a story that we told you about earlier. You've seen the videotape more than likely. A police chase ends in a hail of bullets in Compton, California. Did police handle the situation the way they should have? We want to bring in retired Major Howard Robertson, former SWAT commander for the New Orleans Police Department. He teaches police tactics across the country.

Good to see you, Howard.

HOWARD ROBERTSON, NEW ORLEANS POLICE (RET.): Good morning, Kyra. Good to see you.

PHILLIPS: Well, you've seen the tape. It goes on well for past 10 minutes. It started out with a slow-speed chase. What did you make of it at that point? And did police do the right thing by keeping it going at a slow pace and then cornering, obviously, the subject in a neighborhood area?

ROBERTSON: Well, you know, this case is going to be really, really complicated. The chase, from what I saw, went off in excess of 10 minutes, and the officers in pursuit followed standard procedure.

Now, I don't know if Compton Police Department, but it's pretty standard across the country, as far as policy goes, is that a supervisor is supposed to take control of the chase. And then set up a road block, maybe prevent him from getting away, set up the road strip so that the car will be disabled and allow them to apprehend the suspect.

Now one of the things the investigators are going to do are review the police tape to see -- you know, because every radio transmission is recorded. They will review those tapes, and see what, in fact, was said, to see whether in fact any officer saw the suspect with a weapon, and it will also record the speed of the suspect.

But the chase in itself, I thought they did a really good job.

PHILLIPS: OK, so they finally get him in to the neighborhood, and we see where the tape picks up from there.

ROBERTSON: Correct. PHILLIPS: And actually listened to the officers. And they did bring strips out, and they said, watch the strips, watch the strips. They dropped them. Actually at this point is when I heard it. But then you see the deputies and the cops going towards the car, which obviously isn't stopping. I could hear them giving verbal commands.

But then my question to you is, they have not said that he had a gun or opened fire on these officers. So if he indeed had a gun, wouldn't we know that by now? Wouldn't they want to know say he fired at us, so of course he fired back?

ROBERTSON: Well, as I said, that's one of the things the homicide investigators are going to have to determine. Normally if they see a gun, they would have put it out on the radio, you know, to use extreme caution. They assumed he had a weapon because the call they went on was, you know, suspect with a gun in the neighborhood, an area they've had trouble before. So that assumption is what they were going on.

The hardest thing to prove here is, an officer has a right to use deadly force to protect his life or the life of someone else. Now, the first officer who fired, it's my understanding, said that the suspect was coming at him with a vehicle, and he felt his life was in danger. Now, in that split second he has to make that decision, is what no rules, regulations or law can cover, is whether or not he really felt his life was in danger when he fired that first shot. The key is, every one of the other officers who fired has to be able to justify that same thing to use their firearm. When they fired their weapon, whose life was they protecting? And you had a lot of officers were firing with a lot of shots, and who was in control of that scene?

I think one of the things that the Compton Police Department will go back on, is what supervisor was in charge? Did he have control? And was discipline used there? I think that's a real important factor.

PHILLIPS: That's a good point, about whether a supervisor indeed was in charge of making the call. Well, if you look at all the different police officers and the deputies there, there were, I mean, a handful, if not more, that opened fire on this car.

Now, considering you're in a neighbor neighborhood, you're very close to folks that are more than likely sleeping their homes, what's policy at that point? I mean, is it OK to have gunfire going from all different areas in a tight area where you're close to homes, and possibly children and families?

ROBERTSON: It's not what you would want. It's not what you were trained. Most departments have a, you know, vehicle pursuit policy, and most departments around the country have a policy where you do not shoot at a moving vehicle, for that particular reason. If you miss, the vehicle keeps going. You could hit an innocent bystander. But in this case, an officer thought his life was in danger. That one officer thought his life was in danger and fired. The rest of the officers, I can't tell you why they fired, but they did expose a lot of people to danger. It's one of the reasons why normally why you try call in a SWAT team, people with a little better training, who have firing discipline, who may not have fired under the same circumstances.

PHILLIPS: Former Major Howard Robertson from the New Orleans Police Department, thanks so much for your insight today -- Miles.

ROBERTSON: Thanks, Kyra.

O'BRIEN: Well, in Texas, they don't do anything small, and that includes Texas-sized storms. One that rolled through yesterday left a bunch of big hail there in the Lone Star State. It's moving east. It's near the Mississippi, best I can tell right now.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Have you ever wanted to host your own talk show? Well, if you have enough friends with iPods you're one step away from your dream. Up next, a rise of pod casting!

And still to come in the next hour of LIVE FROM, the hours you waste sitting in traffic. Perhaps listening to your iPod, with the iTrip connection. Well, who's got the worst? Our new report is out. And we'll tell you who tops the list.

We've got a bumper-to-bumper show. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Well, this former butler and confidant of Princess Diana found himself at the center of a royal controversy.

As part of CNN's anniversary series "Then & Now," we take a look back at Paul Burrell and where he is today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Princess Diana called him her rock, but some consider former butler Paul Burrell the man who helped put the royal family's reputation on the rocks. Burrell was the princess' most trusted servant in the tumultuous years before her fatal car crash in 1997. He served the royal family for more than 21 years.

But in 2001, Burrell was arrested and accused of stealing property belonging to Diana. His trial ended dramatically when queen Elizabeth herself intervened on his behalf.

PAUL BURRELL, PRINCESS DIANA'S FMR. BUTLER: My name was cleared, bringing to an end 21 months of hell.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: No longer a butler, Burrell lives in Wales with his wife and two sons. He owns a florist shop, but has greater ambitions.

BURRELL: I'd like people to say, oh, there's Paul Burrell, not Princess Diana's butler. Eventually I'd like to become my own person. And I will do things on TV. I'm presenting roles, history, etiquette, manners, style, those things which I know so well.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: A regular on celebrity game shows, Burrell has also published a book, "A Royal Duty," about his life with Diana.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: When it comes to the nation's hottest zip codes, forget Beverly Hills, 90210. Some of the most desirable five digits across the country may surprise you. CNNmoney.com takes a look at why certain real estate in certain cities is sizzling.

First off, forget the glitz and glam. Some of the most alluring zip codes exist where yoga studios and martini bars are few and far between. The reason, well -- analysts say it's the following three trends driving up home prices. Number one, affordability. In the priciest cities, buyers are searching far and wide for something they can't afford. Number two, urban trumps suburban. It used to be buyers would head for the suburbs, but all that is changing, with more and more buyers opting to revitalize older neighborhoods. Number three, home buyers are going coastal. Not only are they buying closer to the city, but now, nabbing a waterfront home is becoming more and more popular.

So, where are the hottest zip codes across the country? This chart breaks down the top zips in 10 metro areas. And what do they look like? This interactive gallery spotlights what's on the market. And you find it all online at CNNmoney.com/zipcodes.

From the dot-com newsdesk, I'm Veronica De La Cruz.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, you ever dream of making it big? Now you can. The Internet and the iPod are making it possible for people to say what's on their minds and be heard by millions of people.

Technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg shows us what this craze is all about.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome to Grape Radio where an enthusiasm for wine gets personal.

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Grape Radio has mikes and a mixing board, all the tell-tale signs of a radio station, except for one minor detail, Grape Radio is not actually on the radio. MICHAEL GEOGHEGAN, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, GRAPE RADIO: The magic of the fact that once somebody puts a show up it's automatically downloaded to your computer, I just really found compelling.

SIEBERG: Meet Brian (ph)...

BRIAN: This is sweet. This is very nice.

SIEBERG: ... Lee (ph) and Jay (ph). Wine enthusiasts turned talk show hosts, not just in the studio, but also on the road.

RON TAMEZ, HAMILTON OAKS VINEYARD: And this is our Malan Desue (ph) that I was talking about.

SIEBERG: The show is recorded, then uploaded to the Internet and becomes a podcast, an audio file playable on any iPod or portable music device.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like a song, it's no different.

SIEBERG: They say they had 50 listeners for their first podcast in January. Five weeks later, the hosts say their 12th show was downloaded 3,000 times.

Web sites, like Podcast Alley, list scores of different shows, some produced with nothing more than a computer and a microphone. Favorite DVDs, "Geek Talk About Gadgets," college sports, even podcasts about podcasting and a racy talk show from a couple named Dawn and Drew in Wisconsin. It's ranked number one. Click on the number one you want, in this case, Grape Radio, and you're halfway there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If all you're looking for is this link right up here.

SIEBERG: Then you just have to copy and paste your link into a program like iPodder and your podcast is ready to roll.

(on camera): You may have heard of podcasting through the grapevine. What started as an experiment last summer has now grown to more than 3,000 podcasts online. The question is will podcasting give broadcasting a run for its money?

HARRY SHEARER, RADIO SHOW HOST: KCRW is handpicked music and NPR News streaming and now podcasting, imagine that.

SIEBERG (voice-over): Harry Shearer, a voice on "The Simpsons" and former cast member of "Saturday Night Live," has been on the radio since he was 7 years old. His weekly broadcast is now also a podcast.

SHEARER: There is a certain sadness to me that the broadcasting model we've known is dissolving. I think radio stations have to, and broadcasters generally, have to chase the audience. You know the audience is moving to different technologies that are more convenient.

SIEBERG: Shearer says podcasting lets the listener pick the time and place, a necessity in today's busy society. But the quality of podcasts, well, Shearer says the jury is still out.

SHEARER: What podcasting reminds me of is blogging five years ago, which started out as a very personal form of communication via the Internet and has now become a medium for its practitioners to declare their own self-importance.

Elvis from Holland (ph), hello.

SIEBERG: Back at Grape Radio, the guys say they just want to declare their passion for wine and have fun hobbying as talk show hosts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a blast. It is an absolute blast.

SIEBERG: Perhaps it's the 21st century equivalent of ham radio, talking to the void just to see if anyone can hear you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SIEBERG: And it seems that an increasing number of people can hear them. You know, we talked to the guys at Grape Radio since we did that story, and they say they get about 5,400 downloads per week now, and it's been approached by a traditional radio station. They're certainly getting a lot of attention, even if they are still just having fun, as they say.

PHILLIPS: I used to have a ham radio. When you said that, I started laughing.

Anyway, when you look at all the different shows, you were showing me the list, I mean, it seems like there's something for everyone. I mean, it's incredible how diverse...

(CROSSTALK)

SIEBERG: ... here online, at podcastalley.com. And there's just a huge range of different shows, everything from we talked about geek talk, we're talking about movie reviews, Catholic insider. This is a big one, where somebody's actually inside the Vatican, talking about what the Catholic Church is doing. So a real range of different shows, which is what they're trying to appeal this, this diverse mix of tastes.

PHILLIPS: So in other words, this experimentation that's going on, on whether people still are going to want that live element, that live feeling, or if they just -- it's going to come down to picking and choosing whatever you want at what time.

SIEBERG: Right. And of course, the beauty of an iPod is you can fit so much on it. So at least if you do have a lot of choices, you can pick and choose. We talked to Harry Shear (ph) about that, and he said that is changing the nature of broadcasting in that he doesn't know necessarily if his audience is live, if they're listening right at that moment. And he kind of enjoys that. He likes knowing that he can connect with them right at that moment, rather than listening to something he records later. So it's changing the way he's doing that. It's like somebody, you know, recording us and watching it later, and not them watching it low.

PHILLIPS: TiVo.

SIEBERG: TiVo.

PHILLIPS: That kind of thing.

SIEBERG: Yes, it's like TiVo for radio, a little bit.

PHILLIPS: All right. Thank you so much, Daniel. All right -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Just TiVoed a few choice moments of the president's trip, as he continues his journey through the former Soviet Union. The dateline on this one, Tbilisi, Georgia. The president of the United States -- it's about, a little before 10:00 p.m. right now. Take a look at some of the images as they come in. A little after- dinner fireworks there, as the president supped with the Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili. He's in office now for 18 months. Very pro-Western, fluent in English, educated in the United States.

Been at loggerheads with Vladimir Putin over the issue of about 3,000 troops still stationed in the former Soviet Republic, but none of that evident right now. I'm sure Vladimir Putin would prefer the president didn't visit Tbilisi, but there he is, enjoying the festivities on this V.E. plus 60 anniversary. We're watching the president every step of the way as he enjoys fireworks, political and otherwise. Oh, a quick live shot as we toss it to break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

O'BRIEN: Coming up also in our second hour of LIVE FROM, we'll show you how police investigators are learning a deep water way to catch future criminals. We'll explain. LIVE FROM'S hour of power begins shortly.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: The bodies of two girls found today in a park near Chicago. We're live with the latest on this investigation.

PHILLIPS: Miles, Democrats need to repent or resign. The caught-on-tape words of a pastor under fire for kicking out some of his congregation.

O'BRIEN: Who would abandon this beautiful little baby on a desolate road? Well, not the stray dog who may have saved her life. That is a LIVE FROM must this hour.

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Aired May 9, 2005 - 13:29   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Take a look at some live pictures now coming to us from Red Square, Moscow, as the celebration continues now, 60 years post-V.E. Day. Victory in Europe Day being celebrated there.
The president of the United States has been a part of all of this as he continues his tour through Eastern Europe, and the former Soviet Union. Georgia is on the president's mind today. And, of course, on his itinerary, as well. Stop four of that European tour, all about V.E. Day.

Mr. Bush caught the beat in Tbilisi after watching Russian soldiers strut their stuff in Red Square, the scene you saw live there. Mr. Bush not there at that moment.

CNN's Dana Bash reports it's time for politicians to tread lightly, letting the ceremony speak for itself.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cannons fire. The Soviet, now Russian anthem, plays. In Red Square, hundreds of soldiers march lockstep, carrying flags bearing the hammer and sickle.

Flower-holding veterans ride in vintage Soviet war vehicles, and next to Lenin's tomb in the reviewing stand, the American president, among the dozens of heads of state here paying tribute to the 27 million Soviets killed in World War II. An extraordinary gathering, sitting side by side, the victors of 60 years ago and the adversaries they defeated. Leaders from Germany, Japan and Italy. Open nostalgia for the Soviet war legacy, a seemingly awkward event for the president to attend, especially one hoping to make spreading democracy his legacy.

But he's here to honor Russia's incredible sacrifice and show respect for his friend, Vladimir Putin. Taking a seat of honor, Mr. Bush temporarily put aside increasingly public concern the Russian leader's retreating from Democratic ideals.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's a lot we can do together.

BASH: At one-on-one meetings the night before, Bush aides say he did press his fear Mr. Putin's backsliding on freedoms for Russians and trying to intimidate his neighbors moving toward democracy. But this was a day to put aside differences about the course of the future and, instead, honor the past. And the unknown soldiers who never returned from what the Russians call the great patriotic victory.

(on camera): Despite the public niceties, Russia's clearly irritated Mr. Bush is also visiting former Soviet states on the trip, publicly challenging Mr. Putin on Democratic reform. The White House notes the Russian leaders recently promised more freedoms, but one top official also admits he has yet to translate his words into deeds.

Dana Bash, CNN, Moscow.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Now back to a story that we told you about earlier. You've seen the videotape more than likely. A police chase ends in a hail of bullets in Compton, California. Did police handle the situation the way they should have? We want to bring in retired Major Howard Robertson, former SWAT commander for the New Orleans Police Department. He teaches police tactics across the country.

Good to see you, Howard.

HOWARD ROBERTSON, NEW ORLEANS POLICE (RET.): Good morning, Kyra. Good to see you.

PHILLIPS: Well, you've seen the tape. It goes on well for past 10 minutes. It started out with a slow-speed chase. What did you make of it at that point? And did police do the right thing by keeping it going at a slow pace and then cornering, obviously, the subject in a neighborhood area?

ROBERTSON: Well, you know, this case is going to be really, really complicated. The chase, from what I saw, went off in excess of 10 minutes, and the officers in pursuit followed standard procedure.

Now, I don't know if Compton Police Department, but it's pretty standard across the country, as far as policy goes, is that a supervisor is supposed to take control of the chase. And then set up a road block, maybe prevent him from getting away, set up the road strip so that the car will be disabled and allow them to apprehend the suspect.

Now one of the things the investigators are going to do are review the police tape to see -- you know, because every radio transmission is recorded. They will review those tapes, and see what, in fact, was said, to see whether in fact any officer saw the suspect with a weapon, and it will also record the speed of the suspect.

But the chase in itself, I thought they did a really good job.

PHILLIPS: OK, so they finally get him in to the neighborhood, and we see where the tape picks up from there.

ROBERTSON: Correct. PHILLIPS: And actually listened to the officers. And they did bring strips out, and they said, watch the strips, watch the strips. They dropped them. Actually at this point is when I heard it. But then you see the deputies and the cops going towards the car, which obviously isn't stopping. I could hear them giving verbal commands.

But then my question to you is, they have not said that he had a gun or opened fire on these officers. So if he indeed had a gun, wouldn't we know that by now? Wouldn't they want to know say he fired at us, so of course he fired back?

ROBERTSON: Well, as I said, that's one of the things the homicide investigators are going to have to determine. Normally if they see a gun, they would have put it out on the radio, you know, to use extreme caution. They assumed he had a weapon because the call they went on was, you know, suspect with a gun in the neighborhood, an area they've had trouble before. So that assumption is what they were going on.

The hardest thing to prove here is, an officer has a right to use deadly force to protect his life or the life of someone else. Now, the first officer who fired, it's my understanding, said that the suspect was coming at him with a vehicle, and he felt his life was in danger. Now, in that split second he has to make that decision, is what no rules, regulations or law can cover, is whether or not he really felt his life was in danger when he fired that first shot. The key is, every one of the other officers who fired has to be able to justify that same thing to use their firearm. When they fired their weapon, whose life was they protecting? And you had a lot of officers were firing with a lot of shots, and who was in control of that scene?

I think one of the things that the Compton Police Department will go back on, is what supervisor was in charge? Did he have control? And was discipline used there? I think that's a real important factor.

PHILLIPS: That's a good point, about whether a supervisor indeed was in charge of making the call. Well, if you look at all the different police officers and the deputies there, there were, I mean, a handful, if not more, that opened fire on this car.

Now, considering you're in a neighbor neighborhood, you're very close to folks that are more than likely sleeping their homes, what's policy at that point? I mean, is it OK to have gunfire going from all different areas in a tight area where you're close to homes, and possibly children and families?

ROBERTSON: It's not what you would want. It's not what you were trained. Most departments have a, you know, vehicle pursuit policy, and most departments around the country have a policy where you do not shoot at a moving vehicle, for that particular reason. If you miss, the vehicle keeps going. You could hit an innocent bystander. But in this case, an officer thought his life was in danger. That one officer thought his life was in danger and fired. The rest of the officers, I can't tell you why they fired, but they did expose a lot of people to danger. It's one of the reasons why normally why you try call in a SWAT team, people with a little better training, who have firing discipline, who may not have fired under the same circumstances.

PHILLIPS: Former Major Howard Robertson from the New Orleans Police Department, thanks so much for your insight today -- Miles.

ROBERTSON: Thanks, Kyra.

O'BRIEN: Well, in Texas, they don't do anything small, and that includes Texas-sized storms. One that rolled through yesterday left a bunch of big hail there in the Lone Star State. It's moving east. It's near the Mississippi, best I can tell right now.

(WEATHER REPORT)

Have you ever wanted to host your own talk show? Well, if you have enough friends with iPods you're one step away from your dream. Up next, a rise of pod casting!

And still to come in the next hour of LIVE FROM, the hours you waste sitting in traffic. Perhaps listening to your iPod, with the iTrip connection. Well, who's got the worst? Our new report is out. And we'll tell you who tops the list.

We've got a bumper-to-bumper show. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Well, this former butler and confidant of Princess Diana found himself at the center of a royal controversy.

As part of CNN's anniversary series "Then & Now," we take a look back at Paul Burrell and where he is today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Princess Diana called him her rock, but some consider former butler Paul Burrell the man who helped put the royal family's reputation on the rocks. Burrell was the princess' most trusted servant in the tumultuous years before her fatal car crash in 1997. He served the royal family for more than 21 years.

But in 2001, Burrell was arrested and accused of stealing property belonging to Diana. His trial ended dramatically when queen Elizabeth herself intervened on his behalf.

PAUL BURRELL, PRINCESS DIANA'S FMR. BUTLER: My name was cleared, bringing to an end 21 months of hell.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: No longer a butler, Burrell lives in Wales with his wife and two sons. He owns a florist shop, but has greater ambitions.

BURRELL: I'd like people to say, oh, there's Paul Burrell, not Princess Diana's butler. Eventually I'd like to become my own person. And I will do things on TV. I'm presenting roles, history, etiquette, manners, style, those things which I know so well.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: A regular on celebrity game shows, Burrell has also published a book, "A Royal Duty," about his life with Diana.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: When it comes to the nation's hottest zip codes, forget Beverly Hills, 90210. Some of the most desirable five digits across the country may surprise you. CNNmoney.com takes a look at why certain real estate in certain cities is sizzling.

First off, forget the glitz and glam. Some of the most alluring zip codes exist where yoga studios and martini bars are few and far between. The reason, well -- analysts say it's the following three trends driving up home prices. Number one, affordability. In the priciest cities, buyers are searching far and wide for something they can't afford. Number two, urban trumps suburban. It used to be buyers would head for the suburbs, but all that is changing, with more and more buyers opting to revitalize older neighborhoods. Number three, home buyers are going coastal. Not only are they buying closer to the city, but now, nabbing a waterfront home is becoming more and more popular.

So, where are the hottest zip codes across the country? This chart breaks down the top zips in 10 metro areas. And what do they look like? This interactive gallery spotlights what's on the market. And you find it all online at CNNmoney.com/zipcodes.

From the dot-com newsdesk, I'm Veronica De La Cruz.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, you ever dream of making it big? Now you can. The Internet and the iPod are making it possible for people to say what's on their minds and be heard by millions of people.

Technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg shows us what this craze is all about.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome to Grape Radio where an enthusiasm for wine gets personal.

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Grape Radio has mikes and a mixing board, all the tell-tale signs of a radio station, except for one minor detail, Grape Radio is not actually on the radio. MICHAEL GEOGHEGAN, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, GRAPE RADIO: The magic of the fact that once somebody puts a show up it's automatically downloaded to your computer, I just really found compelling.

SIEBERG: Meet Brian (ph)...

BRIAN: This is sweet. This is very nice.

SIEBERG: ... Lee (ph) and Jay (ph). Wine enthusiasts turned talk show hosts, not just in the studio, but also on the road.

RON TAMEZ, HAMILTON OAKS VINEYARD: And this is our Malan Desue (ph) that I was talking about.

SIEBERG: The show is recorded, then uploaded to the Internet and becomes a podcast, an audio file playable on any iPod or portable music device.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like a song, it's no different.

SIEBERG: They say they had 50 listeners for their first podcast in January. Five weeks later, the hosts say their 12th show was downloaded 3,000 times.

Web sites, like Podcast Alley, list scores of different shows, some produced with nothing more than a computer and a microphone. Favorite DVDs, "Geek Talk About Gadgets," college sports, even podcasts about podcasting and a racy talk show from a couple named Dawn and Drew in Wisconsin. It's ranked number one. Click on the number one you want, in this case, Grape Radio, and you're halfway there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If all you're looking for is this link right up here.

SIEBERG: Then you just have to copy and paste your link into a program like iPodder and your podcast is ready to roll.

(on camera): You may have heard of podcasting through the grapevine. What started as an experiment last summer has now grown to more than 3,000 podcasts online. The question is will podcasting give broadcasting a run for its money?

HARRY SHEARER, RADIO SHOW HOST: KCRW is handpicked music and NPR News streaming and now podcasting, imagine that.

SIEBERG (voice-over): Harry Shearer, a voice on "The Simpsons" and former cast member of "Saturday Night Live," has been on the radio since he was 7 years old. His weekly broadcast is now also a podcast.

SHEARER: There is a certain sadness to me that the broadcasting model we've known is dissolving. I think radio stations have to, and broadcasters generally, have to chase the audience. You know the audience is moving to different technologies that are more convenient.

SIEBERG: Shearer says podcasting lets the listener pick the time and place, a necessity in today's busy society. But the quality of podcasts, well, Shearer says the jury is still out.

SHEARER: What podcasting reminds me of is blogging five years ago, which started out as a very personal form of communication via the Internet and has now become a medium for its practitioners to declare their own self-importance.

Elvis from Holland (ph), hello.

SIEBERG: Back at Grape Radio, the guys say they just want to declare their passion for wine and have fun hobbying as talk show hosts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a blast. It is an absolute blast.

SIEBERG: Perhaps it's the 21st century equivalent of ham radio, talking to the void just to see if anyone can hear you.

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SIEBERG: And it seems that an increasing number of people can hear them. You know, we talked to the guys at Grape Radio since we did that story, and they say they get about 5,400 downloads per week now, and it's been approached by a traditional radio station. They're certainly getting a lot of attention, even if they are still just having fun, as they say.

PHILLIPS: I used to have a ham radio. When you said that, I started laughing.

Anyway, when you look at all the different shows, you were showing me the list, I mean, it seems like there's something for everyone. I mean, it's incredible how diverse...

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SIEBERG: ... here online, at podcastalley.com. And there's just a huge range of different shows, everything from we talked about geek talk, we're talking about movie reviews, Catholic insider. This is a big one, where somebody's actually inside the Vatican, talking about what the Catholic Church is doing. So a real range of different shows, which is what they're trying to appeal this, this diverse mix of tastes.

PHILLIPS: So in other words, this experimentation that's going on, on whether people still are going to want that live element, that live feeling, or if they just -- it's going to come down to picking and choosing whatever you want at what time.

SIEBERG: Right. And of course, the beauty of an iPod is you can fit so much on it. So at least if you do have a lot of choices, you can pick and choose. We talked to Harry Shear (ph) about that, and he said that is changing the nature of broadcasting in that he doesn't know necessarily if his audience is live, if they're listening right at that moment. And he kind of enjoys that. He likes knowing that he can connect with them right at that moment, rather than listening to something he records later. So it's changing the way he's doing that. It's like somebody, you know, recording us and watching it later, and not them watching it low.

PHILLIPS: TiVo.

SIEBERG: TiVo.

PHILLIPS: That kind of thing.

SIEBERG: Yes, it's like TiVo for radio, a little bit.

PHILLIPS: All right. Thank you so much, Daniel. All right -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Just TiVoed a few choice moments of the president's trip, as he continues his journey through the former Soviet Union. The dateline on this one, Tbilisi, Georgia. The president of the United States -- it's about, a little before 10:00 p.m. right now. Take a look at some of the images as they come in. A little after- dinner fireworks there, as the president supped with the Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili. He's in office now for 18 months. Very pro-Western, fluent in English, educated in the United States.

Been at loggerheads with Vladimir Putin over the issue of about 3,000 troops still stationed in the former Soviet Republic, but none of that evident right now. I'm sure Vladimir Putin would prefer the president didn't visit Tbilisi, but there he is, enjoying the festivities on this V.E. plus 60 anniversary. We're watching the president every step of the way as he enjoys fireworks, political and otherwise. Oh, a quick live shot as we toss it to break.

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