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Police Reopen Atlanta Child Murder Cases; Real Life CSI

Aired May 10, 2005 - 14:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now in the news, a developing story to tell you about as you look at live picture from our affiliate in Southern California, KTTV. This is a house in Riverside County, California, significantly east of Los Angeles proper. The sheriff there is confirming a multiple homicide in this particular house. Six are known dead. One of the deceased is an investigator for the Riverside County District Attorney's office. Some of this information, the number dead, coming from one of our affiliates there on the scene. Obviously, this is an emerging story. We're watching it closely. More details as we get them.
Brian Nichols returns to court in Atlanta on charges connected to his alleged reign of terror. It began with killings at the courthouse. The judge in the case set Nichols' arraignment for a week from today. Nichols faces 54 counts, including four murder charges and possible death penalty.

Law enforcement officials say police have questioned the father of one of the two slain girls in Zion, Illinois. It's the father of Laura Hobbs, whose body was found in the park with that of her best friend, Krystal Tobias. "The Chicago Tribune" is quoting police sources, signaling possible charges later today against an unidentified suspect.

In Iraq, a demand to halt the U.S. offensive in Anbar province. Tribal sources say unknown assailants have kidnapped the province's governor on the offense's third day. The military says no deal.

Also today, the arrest in New York...

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: We'll get to that story in just a moment, Miles. Right now, the child murders that sent shockwaves through Atlanta 25 years ago -- they are back in the news, now that a local police chief has announced he is reopening four of the cases. Dekalb County police chief, Louis Graham, says he is not convinced Wayne Williams is responsible. Williams was the only person ever convicted in the murders.

Now, in an exclusive jailhouse interview, Williams recently spoke to Atlanta radio personality Frank Ski of station V-103.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

FRANK SKI, V-103 RADIO HOST: The reality still stands. There were many, victims.

WAYNE WILLIAMS, CONVICTED MURDERER: That's correct. SKI: And you were convicted of two.

WILLIAMS: That's right.

SKI: But the perception is that you did them all.

WILLIAMS: I think that is the perception of certain parts of the community. I don't think that is the perception at the grass roots level. The (INAUDIBLE) you see sitting right here today is just as much a victim of what happened as anybody else.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: All right, and Frank Ski joins us now in Atlanta with more on this exclusive interview. The first thing I want to ask you, though -- you did this about two months ago, before the reopening of this investigation.

SKI: Yes.

NGUYEN: Did you know it was going to be reopened?

SKI: Well, that was our hopes. And actually, after we did the Wayne Williams interview, we went and spoke with Chief Graham.

NGUYEN: So you did it with the intent of trying to get it reopened?

SKI: Yes, that was our intent, to kind of help bring closure to a lot of these families that live in Atlanta still who have never found out who the actual murderer of their children was.

NGUYEN: Even though he was linked to those murders, convicted on just two of them. Now, did he write you a letter? Why did you get this jailhouse interview?

SKI: Well, he wrote me a letter and he asked that I come and do this interview. It's been since -- almost 20 years since he's talked to anyone. And he kind of felt that, for whatever his reason was, that I would give him the benefit of the doubt and the time to give him an opportunity to truly explain his story from his point of view and give him the time and respect to do it.

NGUYEN: Let's talk about explaining a story, because we want to listen to an excerpt from that interview where you ask him about exactly what happened. Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

SKI: From my position, looking from the outside, I find it very hard to believe that you, as a single person, you being Wayne Williams, were railroaded and put in this position. And if you were, why you?

WILLIAMS: That's a question that every night before I get to sleep, that's a question I ask in prayer. Why? Because after all this time, I can't give you the answers for that.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Are you surprised that, along with others, he still doesn't have an answer to that question?

SKI: Yes, and the thing about is, I think what he meant when he can't give an answer is there are is many different conspiracy theories that were out there about why he was the one. But interesting enough, as he goes on in his interview, which -- a lot of it will finish playing tomorrow -- he begins to explain timelines and how he was the perfect candidate because of the way Atlanta was at the time.

If you remember, back at that time in 1981, Atlanta was in the position of almost being in a race riot. Because many of the people -- all the kids that were killed were black. And a lot of black folk thought there was some element of the Ku Klux Klan or some white supremacy group that was doing this because Atlanta has gotten their first black mayor, they were coming into prominence. You know, black folk were start to take over the city, in a manner.

NGUYEN: But then Williams was arrested and convicted of it.

WILLIAMS: He was arrested and convicted. And when you hear his interview about why he was put in that position and how they kind of, like, fabricated -- interesting enough, you know, Wayne Williams was never interviewed by any of the local authorities. So this -- these stretches of murders stretched from Dekalb to Fulton, all around Atlanta, and no local folk ever investigated him. But when the FBI took over -- the FBI came in, tagged Wayne Williams, and that was the beginning of the end for him.

NGUYEN: When the finger was pointed at Wayne Williams, like you said, there were a lot of conspiracy theories. And you asked him about one of those. Let's take a listen to that.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

SKI: Some people say Wayne Williams was a pedophile.

WILLIAMS: That's not true.

SKI: Wayne liked little boys.

WILLIAMS: I've heard all that garbage. And again, I go back to the best evidence that speaks for me is the people who know me. And not a single person can tell you Wayne ever acted improperly with any kid.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: So, in speaking with him, how did he appear to you? Did he appear angry, frustrated, all together? What did he seem like to you? SKI: You know, I thought he was going to be that way. I really thought. I thought he was going to be angry and frustrated. I thought he was going to be somebody who had been locked up for 20 years, screaming for help. And really, he was a very cool, calm, very collected, seemed very intelligent, and he knew what he was talking about.

But what struck me the most out of this whole interview -- when I walked into the jailhouse and I walked into the room to see him, I didn't think he was him. It was this little...

NGUYEN: Why?

SKI: It was this little short man standing there that...

NGUYEN: But you'd seen the pictures, you'd seen the video.

SKI: I didn't know he was that little. But he was convicted of killing two grown men that weighed over 200 pounds and throwing them over a bridge. And that was the first thing that struck me when I first met him.

NGUYEN: And he has no idea, according to this interview, of who may have killed these people?

SKI: He does, and in tomorrow's interview, we're going to talk about that.

NGUYEN: Going to give us a hint?

SKI: No.

NGUYEN: Oh, come on, Frank. All right. Has he written you since this interview? Have you spoken with him?

SKI: Yes, every day.

NGUYEN: And what does he say?

SKI: He's very happy that finally he's got a chance to tell his story and he's very happy that it hasn't been edited or changed in any way. He thinks now that the truth is finally coming out, that he's going to be able to be vindicated of this, when it comes out.

NGUYEN: So he thinks in reopening this investigation, that he will be set free?

SKI: Yes. . He believes he will be set free, and so does the Chief Louis Graham.

NGUYEN: OK. Thanks, Ski. We're interested in hearing that other portion of it. Too bad you can't give us a little snippet today, but we'll be listening. Thank you so much.

SKI: Thank you so much. NGUYEN: Next, the real-life CSI. CNN's Dr. Gupta shows us the real world of homicide detective. See what the number one difference is between this world and what you see on television.

And rich, but not very happy about it. Why the newly-minted millionaire would rather give back all that money.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(WEATHER REPORT)

O'BRIEN: Shows like "CSI" and the seemingly countless spin-offs -- "CSI: New York," "CSI: Miami" -- who knows what's next, have focused a lot of attention on the use of forensic science in crime- fighting. But real-life CSI is a lot less flash and glitz than the TV versions, naturally.

CNN senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta with that.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOSEPH SCHILLACI, MIAMI POLICE DEPT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR: When I look at his nails, I see his nails are long, how they're not broken. We look for obvious signs of trauma.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For "CSI: Miami" there's a lot of snapshots and flashlights at murder scenes.

SCHILLACI: OK, you got it.

GUPTA: But, in the real world, a homicide detective has a variety of duties from the exciting to the mundane.

Sergeant Joe Schillaci of the Miami city homicide takes us through on a routine ride through the Overton (ph) area of Miami. In real life, CSI investigators learn the streets.

SCHILLACI: She is coming in the area to buy. Right now. Yes. Look at this. This kills me. I'm getting out on this one.

GUPTA: Suddenly, Schillaci, a father of two himself, stops, not to arrest, but to counsel a teenage heroin user.

SCHILLACI: You are a very pretty young lady. I hate to see you in the mix. How long have you been using?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three years, on and off.

SCHILLACI: Listen, I handled 10, 10 overdoses, in this area in the last six months. If you don't do something, you are going to be 11.

Just that one person, if I can make a difference in that one person's life, then I achieved my ultimate goal out here.

OK, you got it, I'll be there in a minute.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

SCHILLACI: We got a case. It's a death investigation.

GUPTA: Next stop, an apartment. An elderly man is found dead on his couch.

SCHILLACI: When was the last time he was scene alive?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just took him some food yesterday. He didn't say anything to me that he was -- he didn't feel good.

GUPTA: In Miami, detectives don't just investigate homicides. They cover natural deaths, as well, and they make sure there's no foul play involved.

SCHILLACI: Poor guy went to sleep and...

GUPTA: A little different than on the CSI shows, where solving dramatic murders is all there is.

SCHILLACI: I need you to come to the office. Can you come to the office?

GUPTA: Back in Miami, Schillaci gets a phone call that changes his life.

SCHILLACI: I'm going to interrupt you. It's official. I've been made.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's been made! He's a lieutenant!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love it! Congratulations. Are you serious?

GUPTA: A call to his wife.

SCHILLACI: You are now Mrs. Lieutenant Joseph Schillaci.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Already?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!

GUPTA: As the day winds down, Schillaci and his wife Evelyn toast the promotion, but remember the tough times in real life CSI, the dangerous cases, sudden calls and long waits.

Schillaci says the biggest difference between "CSI," the TV show, and reality, is real life.

SCHILLACI: It's not the same, when you are on the scene, trying to console a mother of a child that's been murdered. That's reality. That's what we, the real investigators, have to live with. There's no turning it off. There's no changing the channel if you don't like what you're seeing.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Sunday night, CNN will air a primetime special, "Anatomy of a Murder." Join our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta as he goes behind-the-scenes of dual investigations in Miami, one for the TV show and one for a real life homicide. It begins at 10:00 p.m. Eastern time, Sunday, here on CNN.

NGUYEN: Ahead a LIVE FROM follow-up report on a dog that saved a little baby. That's right, man's best friend plays hero and makes headlines all around the world.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: Well, the -- I guess you could say, the fickle finger of fate pointed at Wendy's for a little while there, but they managed to rise above it all. Right?

NGUYEN: Yes, and we are talking about another little surprise, but this time, it's free and it's a good one, right, Susan?

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. I just lost my appetite on that one, thank you, Miles and Betty. Mark it on your calendar: Wendy's will be giving away free Frosties this weekend. That's to thank customers who remained loyal even after a woman claimed she found a severed human finger in a bowl of Wendy's chili -- hence that fickle finger of fate that Miles was referring to.

The woman was later arrested and charged with attempted grand theft. The incident hurt Wendy's business, particularly on the West Coast. The chain estimated sales took a 2 percent hit in the quarter. Wednesday -- Wendy's plans to give away 14 million junior Frosties during -- from Friday through Sunday. No other purchase is required. Betty and Miles.

O'BRIEN: OK, wow.

NGUYEN: Frosties.

O'BRIEN: Yes, Frosties will make your fingers kind of chubby...

NGUYEN: Will you just stop it?

O'BRIEN: ...if you eat too many of them. They're bad for you, bad.

Let's move a few aisles down, now that we've lost our appetite.

NGUYEN: Yeah, really.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about tuna, shall we?

LISOVICZ: Yes, let's talk about supplements. That is so tasty, isn't it? The nutritional supplement market is red-hard -- red-hot -- I can't even say it right now -- and Bumblebee, a well known name in the tuna fish aisle, wants to get in on the action. Bumble Bee fish oil supplements will hit supermarkets nationwide beginning in July. A bottle of soft gels will retail for about $7 and for a couple bucks extra, you can get vanilla flavored capsules that mask the fishy odor and aftertaste. Omega-3 fatty acids contained in fish oil have long been linked to good heart health.

The market may need some supplements today, though. Stocks are sinking. Look at that! The Dow Industrials posted their lows, triple-digit losses, 106 -- minus 106 right now. And, the NASDAQ, meanwhile, is losing more than 1 percent. And that is the latest from Wall Street. Let's hope those supplements taste better than cod liver oil.

NGUYEN: Just the thought of it -- blech!

O'BRIEN: Makes me want a Frosty, I'll tell you that. Why don't you give Frosties to all those traders here. Maybe that'll spur -- send the market up.

NGUYEN: Yes, send the market back up. Thanks, Susan.

O'BRIEN: All right, up next, the unhappy millionaire...

NGUYEN: What?

O'BRIEN: Could there be such a thing? Well, you'll hear his story next, and then you can decide.

NGUYEN: And a messy crisis resolved, all thanked to a pizza. We'll serve up those details just ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Florida swamp land used to be a joke. Well, there is no reason anyone would buy it, the thinking went, but that's because it was a worthless piece of land, everybody thought. Well, a man in Florida is proof that's not the case.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down this winding gravel road, past the pine trees and palms, out here in the middle of nowhere, lives a man worth millions, a 69-year-old man named Jesse James Hardy, who doesn't want the money.

JESSE JAMES HARDY, FORCED TO SELL LAND: I don't want the damn money. Please, please take the money back.

ZARRELLA: Thirty-two years ago, Hardy paid $60,000 for 160 acres of rock, scrub brush and mosquitoes, nestled in southwest Florida, not too far from Naples.

(on camera): Did you build all this by yourself?

HARDY: Yes, I did. It ain't much. I went to Miami and I got that tin for the roof.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): But by the end of November, Hardy has to move. The state of Florida wants his land. They call it the hole in the doughnut of the massive $8 billion Everglades Restoration Project.

HARDY: Please, don't B.S. me. I might -- I didn't fall off that turnip truck yesterday, you know?

ZARRELLA: Hardy doesn't believe his land will ever be used for restoration. But after years of fighting, Hardy agreed last month to take $4.95 million from the state. Under its eminent-domain authority, he ultimately had no choice but to sell. Now he's rich, but miserable.

(on camera): The one thing, obviously, when people see this, they're going to say -- people are going to say, Jesse, what do you want to be out here for?

HARDY: Oh, I love it.

ZARRELLA: You have a great place.

HARDY: For what? You tell me, what do you do in town? What do you do, sit around and watch TV?

ZARRELLA (voice-over): Jesse James Hardy would give anything to get out of the deal. He just wants too stay here. No electricity service, never had any. A generator runs the A/C.

HARDY: There's the motor. That's a nice (INAUDIBLE).

ZARRELLA: His first phone was a cell phone.

HARDY: Technology -- technology put me in touch with the whole world.

ZARRELLA: Hardy has no idea where he's going to live, but one thing is for sure, he's not leaving one minute before he has to.

HARDY: Thirty-two years shot to hell. (LAUGHING) 32 years shot to hell, you know?

ZARRELLA: And all he's got to show for it is about $5 million.

John Zarrella, CNN, Collier County, Florida.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: "Now in the News," this developing story. Police in Riverside County, California, are investigating a multiple homicide. Six bodies were found in a ranch home in the southeast part of the county, which is about 100 miles southeast of Los Angeles. Now, there's no word yet on cause of death. We'll keep following this story for you.

Also, the investigation into the stabbing deaths of two girls in Zion, Illinois, may soon lead to an arrest. "The Chicago Tribute" quotes police sources who say a suspect could be charged later today. The bodies of the girls, aged eight and nine, were found in a park yesterday. Police say the father of Laura Hobbs is, quote, "a person of interest." The girls were classmates and school officials are in shock.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CONSTANCE COLLINS, SUPT. ZION SCHOOLS: It's very difficult to begin to understand something like this. It's something that was not expected in a community like this. We have never had this type of experience. So, it's been very difficult for everyone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: CNN will keep you posted on this developing story.

Also, fierce fighting and a reported abduction in Iraq's Anbar province. Tribal sources tell CNN the governor of that region has been kidnapped and his abductors are demanding an end to the U.S. offensive there. That offensive is now in its third day. U.S. military officials say at least 100 insurgents have been killed, as well as three Marines.

Homeward bound, President and Laura Bush ended their trip to Europe with a fond farewell in Tbilisi. The Georgian capital was their last stop on a five-day, four-nation tour marking the end of the World War II -- of World War II -- in Europe. Mr. Bush praised Georgians for their contributions to freedom.

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Aired May 10, 2005 - 14:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Now in the news, a developing story to tell you about as you look at live picture from our affiliate in Southern California, KTTV. This is a house in Riverside County, California, significantly east of Los Angeles proper. The sheriff there is confirming a multiple homicide in this particular house. Six are known dead. One of the deceased is an investigator for the Riverside County District Attorney's office. Some of this information, the number dead, coming from one of our affiliates there on the scene. Obviously, this is an emerging story. We're watching it closely. More details as we get them.
Brian Nichols returns to court in Atlanta on charges connected to his alleged reign of terror. It began with killings at the courthouse. The judge in the case set Nichols' arraignment for a week from today. Nichols faces 54 counts, including four murder charges and possible death penalty.

Law enforcement officials say police have questioned the father of one of the two slain girls in Zion, Illinois. It's the father of Laura Hobbs, whose body was found in the park with that of her best friend, Krystal Tobias. "The Chicago Tribune" is quoting police sources, signaling possible charges later today against an unidentified suspect.

In Iraq, a demand to halt the U.S. offensive in Anbar province. Tribal sources say unknown assailants have kidnapped the province's governor on the offense's third day. The military says no deal.

Also today, the arrest in New York...

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: We'll get to that story in just a moment, Miles. Right now, the child murders that sent shockwaves through Atlanta 25 years ago -- they are back in the news, now that a local police chief has announced he is reopening four of the cases. Dekalb County police chief, Louis Graham, says he is not convinced Wayne Williams is responsible. Williams was the only person ever convicted in the murders.

Now, in an exclusive jailhouse interview, Williams recently spoke to Atlanta radio personality Frank Ski of station V-103.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

FRANK SKI, V-103 RADIO HOST: The reality still stands. There were many, victims.

WAYNE WILLIAMS, CONVICTED MURDERER: That's correct. SKI: And you were convicted of two.

WILLIAMS: That's right.

SKI: But the perception is that you did them all.

WILLIAMS: I think that is the perception of certain parts of the community. I don't think that is the perception at the grass roots level. The (INAUDIBLE) you see sitting right here today is just as much a victim of what happened as anybody else.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: All right, and Frank Ski joins us now in Atlanta with more on this exclusive interview. The first thing I want to ask you, though -- you did this about two months ago, before the reopening of this investigation.

SKI: Yes.

NGUYEN: Did you know it was going to be reopened?

SKI: Well, that was our hopes. And actually, after we did the Wayne Williams interview, we went and spoke with Chief Graham.

NGUYEN: So you did it with the intent of trying to get it reopened?

SKI: Yes, that was our intent, to kind of help bring closure to a lot of these families that live in Atlanta still who have never found out who the actual murderer of their children was.

NGUYEN: Even though he was linked to those murders, convicted on just two of them. Now, did he write you a letter? Why did you get this jailhouse interview?

SKI: Well, he wrote me a letter and he asked that I come and do this interview. It's been since -- almost 20 years since he's talked to anyone. And he kind of felt that, for whatever his reason was, that I would give him the benefit of the doubt and the time to give him an opportunity to truly explain his story from his point of view and give him the time and respect to do it.

NGUYEN: Let's talk about explaining a story, because we want to listen to an excerpt from that interview where you ask him about exactly what happened. Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

SKI: From my position, looking from the outside, I find it very hard to believe that you, as a single person, you being Wayne Williams, were railroaded and put in this position. And if you were, why you?

WILLIAMS: That's a question that every night before I get to sleep, that's a question I ask in prayer. Why? Because after all this time, I can't give you the answers for that.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Are you surprised that, along with others, he still doesn't have an answer to that question?

SKI: Yes, and the thing about is, I think what he meant when he can't give an answer is there are is many different conspiracy theories that were out there about why he was the one. But interesting enough, as he goes on in his interview, which -- a lot of it will finish playing tomorrow -- he begins to explain timelines and how he was the perfect candidate because of the way Atlanta was at the time.

If you remember, back at that time in 1981, Atlanta was in the position of almost being in a race riot. Because many of the people -- all the kids that were killed were black. And a lot of black folk thought there was some element of the Ku Klux Klan or some white supremacy group that was doing this because Atlanta has gotten their first black mayor, they were coming into prominence. You know, black folk were start to take over the city, in a manner.

NGUYEN: But then Williams was arrested and convicted of it.

WILLIAMS: He was arrested and convicted. And when you hear his interview about why he was put in that position and how they kind of, like, fabricated -- interesting enough, you know, Wayne Williams was never interviewed by any of the local authorities. So this -- these stretches of murders stretched from Dekalb to Fulton, all around Atlanta, and no local folk ever investigated him. But when the FBI took over -- the FBI came in, tagged Wayne Williams, and that was the beginning of the end for him.

NGUYEN: When the finger was pointed at Wayne Williams, like you said, there were a lot of conspiracy theories. And you asked him about one of those. Let's take a listen to that.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

SKI: Some people say Wayne Williams was a pedophile.

WILLIAMS: That's not true.

SKI: Wayne liked little boys.

WILLIAMS: I've heard all that garbage. And again, I go back to the best evidence that speaks for me is the people who know me. And not a single person can tell you Wayne ever acted improperly with any kid.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NGUYEN: So, in speaking with him, how did he appear to you? Did he appear angry, frustrated, all together? What did he seem like to you? SKI: You know, I thought he was going to be that way. I really thought. I thought he was going to be angry and frustrated. I thought he was going to be somebody who had been locked up for 20 years, screaming for help. And really, he was a very cool, calm, very collected, seemed very intelligent, and he knew what he was talking about.

But what struck me the most out of this whole interview -- when I walked into the jailhouse and I walked into the room to see him, I didn't think he was him. It was this little...

NGUYEN: Why?

SKI: It was this little short man standing there that...

NGUYEN: But you'd seen the pictures, you'd seen the video.

SKI: I didn't know he was that little. But he was convicted of killing two grown men that weighed over 200 pounds and throwing them over a bridge. And that was the first thing that struck me when I first met him.

NGUYEN: And he has no idea, according to this interview, of who may have killed these people?

SKI: He does, and in tomorrow's interview, we're going to talk about that.

NGUYEN: Going to give us a hint?

SKI: No.

NGUYEN: Oh, come on, Frank. All right. Has he written you since this interview? Have you spoken with him?

SKI: Yes, every day.

NGUYEN: And what does he say?

SKI: He's very happy that finally he's got a chance to tell his story and he's very happy that it hasn't been edited or changed in any way. He thinks now that the truth is finally coming out, that he's going to be able to be vindicated of this, when it comes out.

NGUYEN: So he thinks in reopening this investigation, that he will be set free?

SKI: Yes. . He believes he will be set free, and so does the Chief Louis Graham.

NGUYEN: OK. Thanks, Ski. We're interested in hearing that other portion of it. Too bad you can't give us a little snippet today, but we'll be listening. Thank you so much.

SKI: Thank you so much. NGUYEN: Next, the real-life CSI. CNN's Dr. Gupta shows us the real world of homicide detective. See what the number one difference is between this world and what you see on television.

And rich, but not very happy about it. Why the newly-minted millionaire would rather give back all that money.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(WEATHER REPORT)

O'BRIEN: Shows like "CSI" and the seemingly countless spin-offs -- "CSI: New York," "CSI: Miami" -- who knows what's next, have focused a lot of attention on the use of forensic science in crime- fighting. But real-life CSI is a lot less flash and glitz than the TV versions, naturally.

CNN senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta with that.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOSEPH SCHILLACI, MIAMI POLICE DEPT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR: When I look at his nails, I see his nails are long, how they're not broken. We look for obvious signs of trauma.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For "CSI: Miami" there's a lot of snapshots and flashlights at murder scenes.

SCHILLACI: OK, you got it.

GUPTA: But, in the real world, a homicide detective has a variety of duties from the exciting to the mundane.

Sergeant Joe Schillaci of the Miami city homicide takes us through on a routine ride through the Overton (ph) area of Miami. In real life, CSI investigators learn the streets.

SCHILLACI: She is coming in the area to buy. Right now. Yes. Look at this. This kills me. I'm getting out on this one.

GUPTA: Suddenly, Schillaci, a father of two himself, stops, not to arrest, but to counsel a teenage heroin user.

SCHILLACI: You are a very pretty young lady. I hate to see you in the mix. How long have you been using?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three years, on and off.

SCHILLACI: Listen, I handled 10, 10 overdoses, in this area in the last six months. If you don't do something, you are going to be 11.

Just that one person, if I can make a difference in that one person's life, then I achieved my ultimate goal out here.

OK, you got it, I'll be there in a minute.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

SCHILLACI: We got a case. It's a death investigation.

GUPTA: Next stop, an apartment. An elderly man is found dead on his couch.

SCHILLACI: When was the last time he was scene alive?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just took him some food yesterday. He didn't say anything to me that he was -- he didn't feel good.

GUPTA: In Miami, detectives don't just investigate homicides. They cover natural deaths, as well, and they make sure there's no foul play involved.

SCHILLACI: Poor guy went to sleep and...

GUPTA: A little different than on the CSI shows, where solving dramatic murders is all there is.

SCHILLACI: I need you to come to the office. Can you come to the office?

GUPTA: Back in Miami, Schillaci gets a phone call that changes his life.

SCHILLACI: I'm going to interrupt you. It's official. I've been made.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's been made! He's a lieutenant!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love it! Congratulations. Are you serious?

GUPTA: A call to his wife.

SCHILLACI: You are now Mrs. Lieutenant Joseph Schillaci.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Already?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!

GUPTA: As the day winds down, Schillaci and his wife Evelyn toast the promotion, but remember the tough times in real life CSI, the dangerous cases, sudden calls and long waits.

Schillaci says the biggest difference between "CSI," the TV show, and reality, is real life.

SCHILLACI: It's not the same, when you are on the scene, trying to console a mother of a child that's been murdered. That's reality. That's what we, the real investigators, have to live with. There's no turning it off. There's no changing the channel if you don't like what you're seeing.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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O'BRIEN: Sunday night, CNN will air a primetime special, "Anatomy of a Murder." Join our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta as he goes behind-the-scenes of dual investigations in Miami, one for the TV show and one for a real life homicide. It begins at 10:00 p.m. Eastern time, Sunday, here on CNN.

NGUYEN: Ahead a LIVE FROM follow-up report on a dog that saved a little baby. That's right, man's best friend plays hero and makes headlines all around the world.

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O'BRIEN: Well, the -- I guess you could say, the fickle finger of fate pointed at Wendy's for a little while there, but they managed to rise above it all. Right?

NGUYEN: Yes, and we are talking about another little surprise, but this time, it's free and it's a good one, right, Susan?

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. I just lost my appetite on that one, thank you, Miles and Betty. Mark it on your calendar: Wendy's will be giving away free Frosties this weekend. That's to thank customers who remained loyal even after a woman claimed she found a severed human finger in a bowl of Wendy's chili -- hence that fickle finger of fate that Miles was referring to.

The woman was later arrested and charged with attempted grand theft. The incident hurt Wendy's business, particularly on the West Coast. The chain estimated sales took a 2 percent hit in the quarter. Wednesday -- Wendy's plans to give away 14 million junior Frosties during -- from Friday through Sunday. No other purchase is required. Betty and Miles.

O'BRIEN: OK, wow.

NGUYEN: Frosties.

O'BRIEN: Yes, Frosties will make your fingers kind of chubby...

NGUYEN: Will you just stop it?

O'BRIEN: ...if you eat too many of them. They're bad for you, bad.

Let's move a few aisles down, now that we've lost our appetite.

NGUYEN: Yeah, really.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about tuna, shall we?

LISOVICZ: Yes, let's talk about supplements. That is so tasty, isn't it? The nutritional supplement market is red-hard -- red-hot -- I can't even say it right now -- and Bumblebee, a well known name in the tuna fish aisle, wants to get in on the action. Bumble Bee fish oil supplements will hit supermarkets nationwide beginning in July. A bottle of soft gels will retail for about $7 and for a couple bucks extra, you can get vanilla flavored capsules that mask the fishy odor and aftertaste. Omega-3 fatty acids contained in fish oil have long been linked to good heart health.

The market may need some supplements today, though. Stocks are sinking. Look at that! The Dow Industrials posted their lows, triple-digit losses, 106 -- minus 106 right now. And, the NASDAQ, meanwhile, is losing more than 1 percent. And that is the latest from Wall Street. Let's hope those supplements taste better than cod liver oil.

NGUYEN: Just the thought of it -- blech!

O'BRIEN: Makes me want a Frosty, I'll tell you that. Why don't you give Frosties to all those traders here. Maybe that'll spur -- send the market up.

NGUYEN: Yes, send the market back up. Thanks, Susan.

O'BRIEN: All right, up next, the unhappy millionaire...

NGUYEN: What?

O'BRIEN: Could there be such a thing? Well, you'll hear his story next, and then you can decide.

NGUYEN: And a messy crisis resolved, all thanked to a pizza. We'll serve up those details just ahead.

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NGUYEN: Florida swamp land used to be a joke. Well, there is no reason anyone would buy it, the thinking went, but that's because it was a worthless piece of land, everybody thought. Well, a man in Florida is proof that's not the case.

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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down this winding gravel road, past the pine trees and palms, out here in the middle of nowhere, lives a man worth millions, a 69-year-old man named Jesse James Hardy, who doesn't want the money.

JESSE JAMES HARDY, FORCED TO SELL LAND: I don't want the damn money. Please, please take the money back.

ZARRELLA: Thirty-two years ago, Hardy paid $60,000 for 160 acres of rock, scrub brush and mosquitoes, nestled in southwest Florida, not too far from Naples.

(on camera): Did you build all this by yourself?

HARDY: Yes, I did. It ain't much. I went to Miami and I got that tin for the roof.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): But by the end of November, Hardy has to move. The state of Florida wants his land. They call it the hole in the doughnut of the massive $8 billion Everglades Restoration Project.

HARDY: Please, don't B.S. me. I might -- I didn't fall off that turnip truck yesterday, you know?

ZARRELLA: Hardy doesn't believe his land will ever be used for restoration. But after years of fighting, Hardy agreed last month to take $4.95 million from the state. Under its eminent-domain authority, he ultimately had no choice but to sell. Now he's rich, but miserable.

(on camera): The one thing, obviously, when people see this, they're going to say -- people are going to say, Jesse, what do you want to be out here for?

HARDY: Oh, I love it.

ZARRELLA: You have a great place.

HARDY: For what? You tell me, what do you do in town? What do you do, sit around and watch TV?

ZARRELLA (voice-over): Jesse James Hardy would give anything to get out of the deal. He just wants too stay here. No electricity service, never had any. A generator runs the A/C.

HARDY: There's the motor. That's a nice (INAUDIBLE).

ZARRELLA: His first phone was a cell phone.

HARDY: Technology -- technology put me in touch with the whole world.

ZARRELLA: Hardy has no idea where he's going to live, but one thing is for sure, he's not leaving one minute before he has to.

HARDY: Thirty-two years shot to hell. (LAUGHING) 32 years shot to hell, you know?

ZARRELLA: And all he's got to show for it is about $5 million.

John Zarrella, CNN, Collier County, Florida.

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NGUYEN: "Now in the News," this developing story. Police in Riverside County, California, are investigating a multiple homicide. Six bodies were found in a ranch home in the southeast part of the county, which is about 100 miles southeast of Los Angeles. Now, there's no word yet on cause of death. We'll keep following this story for you.

Also, the investigation into the stabbing deaths of two girls in Zion, Illinois, may soon lead to an arrest. "The Chicago Tribute" quotes police sources who say a suspect could be charged later today. The bodies of the girls, aged eight and nine, were found in a park yesterday. Police say the father of Laura Hobbs is, quote, "a person of interest." The girls were classmates and school officials are in shock.

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CONSTANCE COLLINS, SUPT. ZION SCHOOLS: It's very difficult to begin to understand something like this. It's something that was not expected in a community like this. We have never had this type of experience. So, it's been very difficult for everyone.

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NGUYEN: CNN will keep you posted on this developing story.

Also, fierce fighting and a reported abduction in Iraq's Anbar province. Tribal sources tell CNN the governor of that region has been kidnapped and his abductors are demanding an end to the U.S. offensive there. That offensive is now in its third day. U.S. military officials say at least 100 insurgents have been killed, as well as three Marines.

Homeward bound, President and Laura Bush ended their trip to Europe with a fond farewell in Tbilisi. The Georgian capital was their last stop on a five-day, four-nation tour marking the end of the World War II -- of World War II -- in Europe. Mr. Bush praised Georgians for their contributions to freedom.

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