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Jackson Defense Rests; Bill Goldberg in "The Longest Yard"
Aired May 25, 2005 - 14:29 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures there of the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy. New York proudly welcoming a parade of Navy and Coast Guard ships. It is the 18th annual Fleet Week. The weeklong event honors the U.S. military. And if you're in Manhattan and you see someone in uniform, you are obliged to buy them a beer. That's the rule.
More than 6,000 service members from around the world will be in the Big Apple to participate in Memorial Day parades, other activities and a few adult beverages, as they say.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Then if you buy them a beer, you get a coin? Is that right?
O'BRIEN: Well, I think there's usually some kind of quid pro quo. I don't know how...
PHILLIPS: There better be.
O'BRIEN: ... that works. But maybe you should go up and check it out.
PHILLIPS: Here we go. Coins and beers. All right, 2004 to 2005 TV season ends tonight and it might be the best season in more than a decade for the broadcast networks.
O'BRIEN: Susan Lisovicz with that and more for us. Hello, Susan.
SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN FINANCIAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Miles and Kyra. That's right, this season is shaping up to be a good one for the broadcast networks. The "Wall Street Journal" says that for the first time in more than a decade, the broadcast networks gained viewers and the demographic sector most prized by Madison Avenue, compared to the year before.
"Variety" reports are CBS will lead the pack in terms of total viewers. Fox, however, won the key 18-49-year-old bracket, thanks in part to what you're watching right now, "American Idol," which will have its two-hour finale tonight. This is the first time, according to the journal, in its 19-year history that Fox has won that bracket. And "The Desperate Housewives" from Wisteria Lane helped ABC move out of last place in that demographic, with a 16 percent increase from last year.
Kyra and Miles, back to you.
O'BRIEN: All right, the big question, Bo or Carrie for you?
LISOVICZ: I think Carrie.
O'BRIEN: You Carrie? Yes, I think we're going with Carrie in our household. As a matter of fact, my kids won't let me vote for Bo. They've become true Carrie (INAUDIBLE).
PHILLIPS: I feel out of it.
O'BRIEN: I'm sorry.
PHILLIPS: I better tune into this.
O'BRIEN: What you can do while you're watching TV is, and this is a great idea -- not! -- shop. Tell me about this.
LISOVICZ: Yes, that clicker can have all sorts of uses, Miles. Some networks are hoping that the remote might be the next big shopping tool. According to the "USA Today," a handful of cable networks, and not just the shopping channels, mind you, are trying some shopping technology called TCommerce. And it works like ordering a cable pay-per-view or video on demand movie. And it's coming soon to a home near you. It may be available to some cable and satellite customers within the next year.
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O'BRIEN: The defense rests in the Michael Jackson trial. It looks like the case will soon be in the hands of the jury.
Jim Moret, senior correspondent for "Inside Edition." He's covered the trial all along in Santa Maria. Jim, good to have you back with us.
JIM MORET, SR. CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Hi, Miles.
O'BRIEN: Let's talk about how they ended. It's always important to end strong, isn't it? And Chris Tucker sounds like a pretty good defense witness. What did you see in the courtroom today?
MORET: Well, you know, he is a good witness on several areas. First of all, he's a celebrity and when you bring in a celebrity, he has a likability factor. People know him. He came on with actual substantive evidence. He knew the accuser. He knew Michael Jackson.
As a matter of fact, the accuser introduced him to Michael Jackson. Chris Tucker said he gave the boy and his family $1,500, took them on a number of trips, including a flight to Miami aboard on his private jet, where they went to visit Michael Jackson.
This in 2002, 2003. And it was on that trip that Chris Tucker said he became suspicious of the family. He described the accuser and his brother on the stand as being smart and cunning. He described the mom, who's been vilified in this case, as being quote, "mentally not right."
And in Miami of February of 2003, Chris Tucker said he warned Michael Jackson to be careful of this family. And you know that the defense has put on a huge case where this mom is being portrayed as a grifter. And she, along with her son, have basically, according to the defense, been targeting Michael Jackson.
The only problem with Chris Tucker, frankly, was on cross- examination. He was evasive and he seemed to forget almost every detail. So it was a mixed bag with Chris Tucker, but he did end fairly strong for the defense.
O'BRIEN: All right. And so now we're go into this period of rebuttal, which is sort of like the things I forgot to ask in cross- examination or something. That's probably a lay-person's view of it, but that's essentially what it is, isn't it?
MORET: Well, the rebuttal case really is supposed to go to specific items that were raised in the defense case. What the prosecution wants to do now, they want to bring more of the so-called 1108 witnesses.
And in California, we have a rule of the evidence code which allows the prosecution in sexual molestation cases to bring up evidence of past bad acts. And we saw a parade of those witnesses in the prosecution's case in chief. They want to bring up three more of those witnesses to say that Michael Jackson allegedly did something else to other people.
The defense is crying foul. They're saying that would taint this case, it's not fair. And that's being argued right now outside of the presence of the jury.
O'BRIEN: All right, so to sum up the defense, though. Correct me if I'm wrong. You could sum it up as saying that their best defense is a very strong offense. In other words, going right after the accuser's credibility.
MORET: Not only the accuser, but his mom. Remember, there's not only a molestation claim here -- four of them, in fact -- but there's also a conspiracy charge, which talks about the family being held against their will, this false imprisonment. So they're trying to attack the credibility of the accuser, his brother, who was a witness to two of these alleged acts and also the mom, who throughout this case, by the defense, has been vilified as a grifter.
So you're right. The best defense is a good offense. And I think the defense gave it the best shot. Just remember, the defense does not have to prove Michael Jackson is not guilty. The prosecution has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael Jackson is guilty. What the defense tries to do, though, is kind of stir up the pot and cause some reasonable doubts to be raised.
O'BRIEN: And did they succeed on that front? Because that is, after all, what it's all about. Reasonable doubt.
MORET: That's what -- you want my take on it?
O'BRIEN: Yes, I do. Come on, give us your take. You've been there, you've watched it. What do you think?
MORET: You know...
O'BRIEN: From where I sit, just reading about it, I saw the prosecution witnesses helping the defense, the defense witnesses helping prosecution. My take on it is you got a jury that's a little bit confused.
MORET: You know, I think that's a very good -- you're absolutely right. I think it's 50-50 at this point. It depends on what day you think about this case, because some days are up, some days of down. And it's a close call. And I think that the jurors are going to have a lot of work in front of them.
You know, Michael Jackson admitted on national television that he shares his bed with boys who are not related to him. And we heard through testimony that he shared his bed with some children for as many nights as a year. You know, 365 nights. That's going to disturb people. The defense is trying to get these jurors to look at this case not through their eyes, but through Michael Jackson's eyes, which is clearly an alternate universe. The defense says yes, he's weird, but he's not a molester. I think it is a very close call -- Miles.
O'BRIEN: And we don't have much time, but just a final thought here. Obviously, it would have been a tremendous risk putting him on the stand. Did you see any chance of that happening at all?
MORET: I did until the judge allowed the defense to bring in the Bashir tape outtakes. And that basically allowed the defense to put Michael Jackson on the stand through this two-and-half hour videotape where Michael Jackson basically spoke to the jurors and yet there was no threat of cross-examination. So, that was a brilliant move by the defense and a lucky break for them as well, because, in effect, Michael -- Michael Jackson did testify, but was never under cross examination.
O'BRIEN: Interesting point. All right, Jim Moret, "Inside Edition" senior correspondent. Thanks very much for your time. Appreciate it.
MORET: Thanks, Miles.
O'BRIEN: Kyra?
PHILLIPS: All right, straight ahead, forget about fries. McDonald's may soon be offering up a bit of technology with your next Big Mac. That's still ahead on LIVE FROM....
And so is Bill Goldberg, actor, football player, wrestler extraordinare. He's in the house. He actually fits in that chair. I'm told he's going put Miles in a headlock and show him a few moves. What do you say, Bill?
BILL GOLDBERG, ACTOR: Yes.
PHILLIPS: Oh, yeah. Miles is now running. He's going to talk about his latest movie, "The Longest Yard." We'll be right back.
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PHILLIPS: All right, now to the big screen and Hollywood is reach into the old playbook for the remake of "The Longest Yard." Former football player turned wrestler turned actor Bill Goldberg straps on the pads for this special engagement, and he says it's bringing back old memories.
He joins me, now, live. Did it feel good to pack them on again and get out there and...
GOLDBERG: You know, it.'s...
PHILLIPS: ...plow some people?
GOLDBERG: It felt terrific except for the fact that I realized I wasn't 22-years-old anymore.
PHILLIPS: Were you a little sore?
GOLDBERG: Oh, I was real sore. I took on way more than I should've, believe me.
PHILLIPS: Well, this was one of your favorite movies growing up, right? GOLDBERG: Yes, it was an honor of mine to be involved with this cast, but it was a bigger honor to be able to be a part of the remake of my favorite movie of all time.
PHILLIPS: So what do you think of Adam Sandler and Chris..?
GOLDBERG: Chris Rock.
PHILLIPS: Chris Rock -- I was thinking Chris Tucker.
GOLDBERG: Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, yes.
PHILLIPS: I was thinking Chris Tucker because he had to go to the Michael Jackson trial.
GOLDBERG: He's all over the Michael Jackson thing. I totally understand that. Totally understand.
PHILLIPS: What'd you think? Was it fun? I mean, did you feel -- oh, boy, I hope I can be as funny as these guys.
GOLDBERG: Well, now, the good thing was is that they were there because they were funny and I was there because I could beat people up. Other than that I don't think I brought too much to the plate. But, you know, Chris Tuck -- you got me saying Chris Tucker now!
PHILLIPS: Oh, my gosh, don't get mad at me!
GOLDBERG: OK, that's all right. What's his name again?
PHILLIPS: Chris Rock.
GOLDBERG: Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, you know, Tracey Morgan, Joey Diaz (ph), Nic Turturro (ph)...
PHILLIPS: What a cast!
GOLDBERG: We had, you know, a plethora of standup comics and for a guy like me to get a word in, eh, it was hard. But it was a lot of fun.
PHILLIPS: You did get a few words in, but I think, probably people noticed something else a little bit more. Let's take a look at the most popular scene I'm told, especially among the women right now.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, here we go.
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GOLDBERG: Real football, against the guards (ph).
UM: Full contact.
GOLDBERG: Captain Canard's (ph) a quarterback?.
ADAM SANDLER: Yep. GOLDBERG: So I get to tackle him?
SANDLER: Yeah, you can either tackle or hit him over the head with that hammer.
GOLDBERG: I want to hurt him, not kill him.
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PHILLIPS: All right.
GOLDBERG: I'm glad that that brought some laughter to you.
PHILLIPS: Yes, as a matter of fact, it did. But, of course, everybody wants to know, were you fully naked?
GOLDBERG: Um, I was fully naked except for one of -- yes, kind of. Come on, you know, let's break away from that clip.
PHILLIPS: You didn't get nervous?
GOLDBERG: I'm embarrassed. Look at me, I'm red.
PHILLIPS: You shouldn't be -- you're not red.
GOLDBERG: No, wait, it was fun. It was a lot of fun. It was very embarrassing, OK? I was wearing a Christmas stocking. Other than that, that was it.
PHILLIPS: Really? Interesting.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
PHILLIPS: You have people thinking now.
So, was it fun interacting with the -- I mean, come on. Was it diff -- did they say anything afterwards, after you did the scene and you were thinking, all right, guys, cut me some slack?
GOLDBERG: Oh yeah, they did. No question. Oh, my god -- that's basically the reaction I got. On a positive note, though, to get to work with these guys and to be in a scene like that -- and they show it again. Hey, there you go.
PHILLIPS: Sorry. It is good promotion. It's good for us. We get to...
GOLDBERG: I don't know how good it is for me.
PHILLIPS: You've come a long way from a psychology degree in college, you know?
GOLDBERG: Yeah, no doubt.
PHILLIPS: It's amazing. GOLDBERG: I've come a long way. The fact is, I've had to reinvent myself many, many times, and thank god I have been in the right place at the right time a number of times. Can I say time a couple more times?
PHILLIPS: Sure, that's OK.
GOLDBERG: You know, I got a TV show coming out soon.
PHILLIPS: What's the TV show?
GOLDBERG: It is called "Auto Maniac," History Channel...
PHILLIPS: Really?
GOLDBERG: 10:00 Eastern.
PHILLIPS: Look at that, cause you're into cars...
GOLDBERG: Every Wednesday night.
PHILLIPS: ...and motorcycles.
GOLDBERG: Absolutely.
PHILLIPS: (INAUDIBLE) get the bad boy image.
GOLDBERG: Bad boy image? You and I know each other.
PHILLIPS: That is true.
GOLDBERG: I'm not that bad. I'm a nice guy.
PHILLIPS: I have been very lucky to know you for a few years.
GOLDBERG: I have a very soft side.
PHILLIPS: You do have a soft side.
GOLDBERG: I have a Make-a-Wish kid today. It's a soft side, come on.
PHILLIPS: Hey, I want to talk about Billy. Well, let's go ahead and talk about Billy. Billy Markham is here, you're right. The Make A Wish young man. Tell us about Billy. Oh, he's going to get shy. It's all right, Billy. We got to talk about this special time.
You really do take lot of time out to do charity work. You had told me about that a number of years ago, and you've sort of stuck with that. No matter what you've gotten involved with, you do remember people like Billy and why it is important to do this.
GOLDBERG: The fact is, you treat people how you'd like to be treated. You take it upon yourself to try to set a good example for the youth of America. You help the people that are less fortunate than you in situations, and wherever I go, there's no question that I try to seek out Make A Wish kids and see if we can kill two birds with one stone.
I came here to do the interview today. We brought him, and he's having a great time, smiling over there.
PHILLIPS: And he's getting a little embarrassed, right now.
GOLDBERG: Getting a little embarrassed. He's from Dublin, Georgia.
PHILLIPS: Dublin, and let's not forget, right next to him, OK. We got to talk about the new wife, Wanda.
GOLDBERG: Right next to him.
PHILLIPS: Holy, moley, there she is. Hi, Wanda.
GOLDBERG: The love of my life.
PHILLIPS: She is a knock-out, and she's a stunt woman, so I want to know if puts you in a headlock now and then and shows you a few moves.
GOLDBERG: Well, you know, she's the only one that I let put me in a headlock, because everyone else -- you know, I totally destroy. But she's a stuntwoman and she can take it, that's the good thing.
PHILLIPS: You also went out to the USS Ronald Reagan, visited the troops. That's pretty cool.
GOLDBERG: Yes, you know, I have to throw a shoot-out to the guys at the USS Ronald Reagan. And I have to thank Paramount and I have to thank Jack Jarapudo (ph). Those guys really made it happen. And it wasn't a publicity stunt because you guys are hearing about it for the first time and it happened last week. It was the fact that I, along with my two brothers, were invited to spend the night on the USS Ronald Reagan in the middle of the ocean. And there were 2,800 servicemen on board and we were able to -- oh my God!
PHILLIPS: You know, you mention servicemen. How about servicewomen? Master Chief Kathleen Hanson (ph) here. Yes, she took you down, didn't she?
GOLDBERG: Oh my God!
PHILLIPS: You don't miss with those sailors, now.
GOLDBERG: You guys are showing me naked, showing me getting beat up by women. What are you -- you're trying to kill Goldberg.
PHILLIPS: I'm just testing your ego, pal.
GOLDBERG: Come on.
PHILLIPS: I love you, Bill.
GOLDBERG: I love you, too. Very good to see you again. PHILLIPS: It's great to see you, too. And we'll be watching the long -- the...
GOLDBERG: See? I got you verklempt now.
PHILLIPS: You got me all verklempt. It's right here. It's "The Longest Yard." That's it. Go out and see it.
GOLDBERG: Hey, Bert, do me a favor. Keep your temper under control!
PHILLIPS: Stop slapping people around. We're going to take a quick break. LIVE FROM, right after this.
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O'BRIEN: Still ahead on LIVE FROM, opening the doors just a little wider. Well, a teeny little crack. At Washington's Reagan National Airport, general aviation gets a green light. Maybe it's amber, actually. But a lot of strings attached. Details on that coming up.
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O'BRIEN: Checking some stories "Now in the News." Signs of progress in the European effort to keep Iran from getting the bomb. High level talks in Geneva runs hour overtime and a key European negotiator says Iran renewed its pledge to confine its nuclear program to power production. Iran is angling hard for economic incentives, and the Europeans say they're putting a package together after four years of waiting.
In a near-political meltdown, the U.S. Senate confirms Priscilla Owen for a Federal Appeals Court judgeship. The vote follows the truce between Republicans and Democrats in the bitter struggle over disputed nominees to life-long judgeships.
And more allegations of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay. These come from detainees themselves in interviews conducted by the FBI and obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union. The FBI says they're only allegations. They include the now-familiar charge of defiling the Koran.
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Aired May 25, 2005 - 14:29 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Live pictures there of the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy. New York proudly welcoming a parade of Navy and Coast Guard ships. It is the 18th annual Fleet Week. The weeklong event honors the U.S. military. And if you're in Manhattan and you see someone in uniform, you are obliged to buy them a beer. That's the rule.
More than 6,000 service members from around the world will be in the Big Apple to participate in Memorial Day parades, other activities and a few adult beverages, as they say.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Then if you buy them a beer, you get a coin? Is that right?
O'BRIEN: Well, I think there's usually some kind of quid pro quo. I don't know how...
PHILLIPS: There better be.
O'BRIEN: ... that works. But maybe you should go up and check it out.
PHILLIPS: Here we go. Coins and beers. All right, 2004 to 2005 TV season ends tonight and it might be the best season in more than a decade for the broadcast networks.
O'BRIEN: Susan Lisovicz with that and more for us. Hello, Susan.
SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN FINANCIAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Miles and Kyra. That's right, this season is shaping up to be a good one for the broadcast networks. The "Wall Street Journal" says that for the first time in more than a decade, the broadcast networks gained viewers and the demographic sector most prized by Madison Avenue, compared to the year before.
"Variety" reports are CBS will lead the pack in terms of total viewers. Fox, however, won the key 18-49-year-old bracket, thanks in part to what you're watching right now, "American Idol," which will have its two-hour finale tonight. This is the first time, according to the journal, in its 19-year history that Fox has won that bracket. And "The Desperate Housewives" from Wisteria Lane helped ABC move out of last place in that demographic, with a 16 percent increase from last year.
Kyra and Miles, back to you.
O'BRIEN: All right, the big question, Bo or Carrie for you?
LISOVICZ: I think Carrie.
O'BRIEN: You Carrie? Yes, I think we're going with Carrie in our household. As a matter of fact, my kids won't let me vote for Bo. They've become true Carrie (INAUDIBLE).
PHILLIPS: I feel out of it.
O'BRIEN: I'm sorry.
PHILLIPS: I better tune into this.
O'BRIEN: What you can do while you're watching TV is, and this is a great idea -- not! -- shop. Tell me about this.
LISOVICZ: Yes, that clicker can have all sorts of uses, Miles. Some networks are hoping that the remote might be the next big shopping tool. According to the "USA Today," a handful of cable networks, and not just the shopping channels, mind you, are trying some shopping technology called TCommerce. And it works like ordering a cable pay-per-view or video on demand movie. And it's coming soon to a home near you. It may be available to some cable and satellite customers within the next year.
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O'BRIEN: The defense rests in the Michael Jackson trial. It looks like the case will soon be in the hands of the jury.
Jim Moret, senior correspondent for "Inside Edition." He's covered the trial all along in Santa Maria. Jim, good to have you back with us.
JIM MORET, SR. CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Hi, Miles.
O'BRIEN: Let's talk about how they ended. It's always important to end strong, isn't it? And Chris Tucker sounds like a pretty good defense witness. What did you see in the courtroom today?
MORET: Well, you know, he is a good witness on several areas. First of all, he's a celebrity and when you bring in a celebrity, he has a likability factor. People know him. He came on with actual substantive evidence. He knew the accuser. He knew Michael Jackson.
As a matter of fact, the accuser introduced him to Michael Jackson. Chris Tucker said he gave the boy and his family $1,500, took them on a number of trips, including a flight to Miami aboard on his private jet, where they went to visit Michael Jackson.
This in 2002, 2003. And it was on that trip that Chris Tucker said he became suspicious of the family. He described the accuser and his brother on the stand as being smart and cunning. He described the mom, who's been vilified in this case, as being quote, "mentally not right."
And in Miami of February of 2003, Chris Tucker said he warned Michael Jackson to be careful of this family. And you know that the defense has put on a huge case where this mom is being portrayed as a grifter. And she, along with her son, have basically, according to the defense, been targeting Michael Jackson.
The only problem with Chris Tucker, frankly, was on cross- examination. He was evasive and he seemed to forget almost every detail. So it was a mixed bag with Chris Tucker, but he did end fairly strong for the defense.
O'BRIEN: All right. And so now we're go into this period of rebuttal, which is sort of like the things I forgot to ask in cross- examination or something. That's probably a lay-person's view of it, but that's essentially what it is, isn't it?
MORET: Well, the rebuttal case really is supposed to go to specific items that were raised in the defense case. What the prosecution wants to do now, they want to bring more of the so-called 1108 witnesses.
And in California, we have a rule of the evidence code which allows the prosecution in sexual molestation cases to bring up evidence of past bad acts. And we saw a parade of those witnesses in the prosecution's case in chief. They want to bring up three more of those witnesses to say that Michael Jackson allegedly did something else to other people.
The defense is crying foul. They're saying that would taint this case, it's not fair. And that's being argued right now outside of the presence of the jury.
O'BRIEN: All right, so to sum up the defense, though. Correct me if I'm wrong. You could sum it up as saying that their best defense is a very strong offense. In other words, going right after the accuser's credibility.
MORET: Not only the accuser, but his mom. Remember, there's not only a molestation claim here -- four of them, in fact -- but there's also a conspiracy charge, which talks about the family being held against their will, this false imprisonment. So they're trying to attack the credibility of the accuser, his brother, who was a witness to two of these alleged acts and also the mom, who throughout this case, by the defense, has been vilified as a grifter.
So you're right. The best defense is a good offense. And I think the defense gave it the best shot. Just remember, the defense does not have to prove Michael Jackson is not guilty. The prosecution has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael Jackson is guilty. What the defense tries to do, though, is kind of stir up the pot and cause some reasonable doubts to be raised.
O'BRIEN: And did they succeed on that front? Because that is, after all, what it's all about. Reasonable doubt.
MORET: That's what -- you want my take on it?
O'BRIEN: Yes, I do. Come on, give us your take. You've been there, you've watched it. What do you think?
MORET: You know...
O'BRIEN: From where I sit, just reading about it, I saw the prosecution witnesses helping the defense, the defense witnesses helping prosecution. My take on it is you got a jury that's a little bit confused.
MORET: You know, I think that's a very good -- you're absolutely right. I think it's 50-50 at this point. It depends on what day you think about this case, because some days are up, some days of down. And it's a close call. And I think that the jurors are going to have a lot of work in front of them.
You know, Michael Jackson admitted on national television that he shares his bed with boys who are not related to him. And we heard through testimony that he shared his bed with some children for as many nights as a year. You know, 365 nights. That's going to disturb people. The defense is trying to get these jurors to look at this case not through their eyes, but through Michael Jackson's eyes, which is clearly an alternate universe. The defense says yes, he's weird, but he's not a molester. I think it is a very close call -- Miles.
O'BRIEN: And we don't have much time, but just a final thought here. Obviously, it would have been a tremendous risk putting him on the stand. Did you see any chance of that happening at all?
MORET: I did until the judge allowed the defense to bring in the Bashir tape outtakes. And that basically allowed the defense to put Michael Jackson on the stand through this two-and-half hour videotape where Michael Jackson basically spoke to the jurors and yet there was no threat of cross-examination. So, that was a brilliant move by the defense and a lucky break for them as well, because, in effect, Michael -- Michael Jackson did testify, but was never under cross examination.
O'BRIEN: Interesting point. All right, Jim Moret, "Inside Edition" senior correspondent. Thanks very much for your time. Appreciate it.
MORET: Thanks, Miles.
O'BRIEN: Kyra?
PHILLIPS: All right, straight ahead, forget about fries. McDonald's may soon be offering up a bit of technology with your next Big Mac. That's still ahead on LIVE FROM....
And so is Bill Goldberg, actor, football player, wrestler extraordinare. He's in the house. He actually fits in that chair. I'm told he's going put Miles in a headlock and show him a few moves. What do you say, Bill?
BILL GOLDBERG, ACTOR: Yes.
PHILLIPS: Oh, yeah. Miles is now running. He's going to talk about his latest movie, "The Longest Yard." We'll be right back.
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VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, DOT COM DESK: It is the fourth season of "American Idol." Is the hit TV talent show looking too much like a soap opera? At CNN.com, the details in "As The American Idol Turns."
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PHILLIPS: All right, now to the big screen and Hollywood is reach into the old playbook for the remake of "The Longest Yard." Former football player turned wrestler turned actor Bill Goldberg straps on the pads for this special engagement, and he says it's bringing back old memories.
He joins me, now, live. Did it feel good to pack them on again and get out there and...
GOLDBERG: You know, it.'s...
PHILLIPS: ...plow some people?
GOLDBERG: It felt terrific except for the fact that I realized I wasn't 22-years-old anymore.
PHILLIPS: Were you a little sore?
GOLDBERG: Oh, I was real sore. I took on way more than I should've, believe me.
PHILLIPS: Well, this was one of your favorite movies growing up, right? GOLDBERG: Yes, it was an honor of mine to be involved with this cast, but it was a bigger honor to be able to be a part of the remake of my favorite movie of all time.
PHILLIPS: So what do you think of Adam Sandler and Chris..?
GOLDBERG: Chris Rock.
PHILLIPS: Chris Rock -- I was thinking Chris Tucker.
GOLDBERG: Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, yes.
PHILLIPS: I was thinking Chris Tucker because he had to go to the Michael Jackson trial.
GOLDBERG: He's all over the Michael Jackson thing. I totally understand that. Totally understand.
PHILLIPS: What'd you think? Was it fun? I mean, did you feel -- oh, boy, I hope I can be as funny as these guys.
GOLDBERG: Well, now, the good thing was is that they were there because they were funny and I was there because I could beat people up. Other than that I don't think I brought too much to the plate. But, you know, Chris Tuck -- you got me saying Chris Tucker now!
PHILLIPS: Oh, my gosh, don't get mad at me!
GOLDBERG: OK, that's all right. What's his name again?
PHILLIPS: Chris Rock.
GOLDBERG: Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, you know, Tracey Morgan, Joey Diaz (ph), Nic Turturro (ph)...
PHILLIPS: What a cast!
GOLDBERG: We had, you know, a plethora of standup comics and for a guy like me to get a word in, eh, it was hard. But it was a lot of fun.
PHILLIPS: You did get a few words in, but I think, probably people noticed something else a little bit more. Let's take a look at the most popular scene I'm told, especially among the women right now.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, here we go.
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GOLDBERG: Real football, against the guards (ph).
UM: Full contact.
GOLDBERG: Captain Canard's (ph) a quarterback?.
ADAM SANDLER: Yep. GOLDBERG: So I get to tackle him?
SANDLER: Yeah, you can either tackle or hit him over the head with that hammer.
GOLDBERG: I want to hurt him, not kill him.
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PHILLIPS: All right.
GOLDBERG: I'm glad that that brought some laughter to you.
PHILLIPS: Yes, as a matter of fact, it did. But, of course, everybody wants to know, were you fully naked?
GOLDBERG: Um, I was fully naked except for one of -- yes, kind of. Come on, you know, let's break away from that clip.
PHILLIPS: You didn't get nervous?
GOLDBERG: I'm embarrassed. Look at me, I'm red.
PHILLIPS: You shouldn't be -- you're not red.
GOLDBERG: No, wait, it was fun. It was a lot of fun. It was very embarrassing, OK? I was wearing a Christmas stocking. Other than that, that was it.
PHILLIPS: Really? Interesting.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
PHILLIPS: You have people thinking now.
So, was it fun interacting with the -- I mean, come on. Was it diff -- did they say anything afterwards, after you did the scene and you were thinking, all right, guys, cut me some slack?
GOLDBERG: Oh yeah, they did. No question. Oh, my god -- that's basically the reaction I got. On a positive note, though, to get to work with these guys and to be in a scene like that -- and they show it again. Hey, there you go.
PHILLIPS: Sorry. It is good promotion. It's good for us. We get to...
GOLDBERG: I don't know how good it is for me.
PHILLIPS: You've come a long way from a psychology degree in college, you know?
GOLDBERG: Yeah, no doubt.
PHILLIPS: It's amazing. GOLDBERG: I've come a long way. The fact is, I've had to reinvent myself many, many times, and thank god I have been in the right place at the right time a number of times. Can I say time a couple more times?
PHILLIPS: Sure, that's OK.
GOLDBERG: You know, I got a TV show coming out soon.
PHILLIPS: What's the TV show?
GOLDBERG: It is called "Auto Maniac," History Channel...
PHILLIPS: Really?
GOLDBERG: 10:00 Eastern.
PHILLIPS: Look at that, cause you're into cars...
GOLDBERG: Every Wednesday night.
PHILLIPS: ...and motorcycles.
GOLDBERG: Absolutely.
PHILLIPS: (INAUDIBLE) get the bad boy image.
GOLDBERG: Bad boy image? You and I know each other.
PHILLIPS: That is true.
GOLDBERG: I'm not that bad. I'm a nice guy.
PHILLIPS: I have been very lucky to know you for a few years.
GOLDBERG: I have a very soft side.
PHILLIPS: You do have a soft side.
GOLDBERG: I have a Make-a-Wish kid today. It's a soft side, come on.
PHILLIPS: Hey, I want to talk about Billy. Well, let's go ahead and talk about Billy. Billy Markham is here, you're right. The Make A Wish young man. Tell us about Billy. Oh, he's going to get shy. It's all right, Billy. We got to talk about this special time.
You really do take lot of time out to do charity work. You had told me about that a number of years ago, and you've sort of stuck with that. No matter what you've gotten involved with, you do remember people like Billy and why it is important to do this.
GOLDBERG: The fact is, you treat people how you'd like to be treated. You take it upon yourself to try to set a good example for the youth of America. You help the people that are less fortunate than you in situations, and wherever I go, there's no question that I try to seek out Make A Wish kids and see if we can kill two birds with one stone.
I came here to do the interview today. We brought him, and he's having a great time, smiling over there.
PHILLIPS: And he's getting a little embarrassed, right now.
GOLDBERG: Getting a little embarrassed. He's from Dublin, Georgia.
PHILLIPS: Dublin, and let's not forget, right next to him, OK. We got to talk about the new wife, Wanda.
GOLDBERG: Right next to him.
PHILLIPS: Holy, moley, there she is. Hi, Wanda.
GOLDBERG: The love of my life.
PHILLIPS: She is a knock-out, and she's a stunt woman, so I want to know if puts you in a headlock now and then and shows you a few moves.
GOLDBERG: Well, you know, she's the only one that I let put me in a headlock, because everyone else -- you know, I totally destroy. But she's a stuntwoman and she can take it, that's the good thing.
PHILLIPS: You also went out to the USS Ronald Reagan, visited the troops. That's pretty cool.
GOLDBERG: Yes, you know, I have to throw a shoot-out to the guys at the USS Ronald Reagan. And I have to thank Paramount and I have to thank Jack Jarapudo (ph). Those guys really made it happen. And it wasn't a publicity stunt because you guys are hearing about it for the first time and it happened last week. It was the fact that I, along with my two brothers, were invited to spend the night on the USS Ronald Reagan in the middle of the ocean. And there were 2,800 servicemen on board and we were able to -- oh my God!
PHILLIPS: You know, you mention servicemen. How about servicewomen? Master Chief Kathleen Hanson (ph) here. Yes, she took you down, didn't she?
GOLDBERG: Oh my God!
PHILLIPS: You don't miss with those sailors, now.
GOLDBERG: You guys are showing me naked, showing me getting beat up by women. What are you -- you're trying to kill Goldberg.
PHILLIPS: I'm just testing your ego, pal.
GOLDBERG: Come on.
PHILLIPS: I love you, Bill.
GOLDBERG: I love you, too. Very good to see you again. PHILLIPS: It's great to see you, too. And we'll be watching the long -- the...
GOLDBERG: See? I got you verklempt now.
PHILLIPS: You got me all verklempt. It's right here. It's "The Longest Yard." That's it. Go out and see it.
GOLDBERG: Hey, Bert, do me a favor. Keep your temper under control!
PHILLIPS: Stop slapping people around. We're going to take a quick break. LIVE FROM, right after this.
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O'BRIEN: Still ahead on LIVE FROM, opening the doors just a little wider. Well, a teeny little crack. At Washington's Reagan National Airport, general aviation gets a green light. Maybe it's amber, actually. But a lot of strings attached. Details on that coming up.
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O'BRIEN: Checking some stories "Now in the News." Signs of progress in the European effort to keep Iran from getting the bomb. High level talks in Geneva runs hour overtime and a key European negotiator says Iran renewed its pledge to confine its nuclear program to power production. Iran is angling hard for economic incentives, and the Europeans say they're putting a package together after four years of waiting.
In a near-political meltdown, the U.S. Senate confirms Priscilla Owen for a Federal Appeals Court judgeship. The vote follows the truce between Republicans and Democrats in the bitter struggle over disputed nominees to life-long judgeships.
And more allegations of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay. These come from detainees themselves in interviews conducted by the FBI and obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union. The FBI says they're only allegations. They include the now-familiar charge of defiling the Koran.
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