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Fugitive Camps Out on Crane; Viagra Causes Blindness in Small Percentage of Users; Australian Woman Sentenced to 20 Years in Bali for Drugs
Aired May 27, 2005 - 13:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: An Australian woman caught in an international legal battle says she is not a drug trafficker.
TONY HARRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Three hundred fifty feet above the ground without a harness, without a net, hot, tired, hungry. What is Carl Roland going to do now? I'm Tony Harris, live from Atlanta with the latest.
MILES O'BRIEN, CO-HOST: Identity theft: just how easy is it for hackers to steal your information? A computer cop will show us how it happens in real time.
PHILLIPS: Listen up, Viagra users. Word of caution: some men are suffering a serious side effect.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips.
O'BRIEN: And I'm Miles O'Brien. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
It is a war of wills, a test of endurance and still, just a question of time. It's Carl Edward Roland, 350 feet above the see and be seen Buckhead district of Atlanta, now approaching 48 hours on the long metal arm of a construction crane with the long arm of the law just out of reach.
Roland is suspected of killing an ex-girlfriend in Florida before making what would seem to be his last stand in Atlanta. We get the latest from CNN's Tony Harris, just a few miles north of where you stand now -- Tony.
HARRIS: Well, Miles, no one can believe it. You're right: coming up on 48 hours now and Carl Roland is still on the construction crane, 350 feet above the ground, dangling at least a portion of the crane over Peachtree Road and the trendy Buckhead section of Atlanta. He's been there since Wednesday afternoon at about 4 p.m.
I've got to tell you, on the ground it has been a nightmare. Imagine if you're a resident of the area, if you're a commuter trying to get back and forth to work or a business owner in this area. It's been very difficult, for all the road closures, to get back and forth. If you're a business owner, you're not doing much business because people just can't seem to get to where you are.
And I've got to tell you, it has been this way since about 4, 4:30 on Wednesday afternoon. Police, on the other hand, their concern is to try to bring this to a successful conclusion, that means talking Carl Roland down.
To that end, Roland's sister has expressed a lot of frustration that she hasn't been allowed, in her words, to be more a part of the effort to talk her brother down. Let's hear first from Tiwana Roland and then from Roland's brother, John.
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TIWANA ROLAND, CARL ROLAND'S SISTER: I feel they won't let me talk to him because they think that -- you know, they don't want me to be the one that -- they don't me to be the one to get him down. They want to be the one to apprehend him. But I feel that I can get him down if they just let me converse with him and talk to him. I know I could. Ain't no doubt about that.
JOHN ROLAND, CARL ROLAND'S BROTHER: He ain't going to jump, because if he had, he would have did. Now I feel it's time for family to come in and try to help. And they won't let me on the scene.
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HARRIS: Well, I've got to tell you, John, in talking about his brother is making a point that has been part of a discussion on the ground here. I have to tell you, what is Carl Roland looking for? Is he looking for a reason to jump or for a reason to surrender to police?
What has he been doing up on that crane for, what, close to 48 hours now? A couple of things: resting at times. We understand that he has been given a jacket from the police department that he has taken. He's been offered food and water. He has declined that.
He has been engaged in animated conversations with police, but he has spent, Miles, most of his time deconstructing, if you will, the crane, knocking off as many pieces of the crane as he can, and that's where we stand right now, almost 48 hours into this ordeal -- Miles.
O'BRIEN: Well, Tony, just watching the scene this morning as we have, it appear there is no ongoing dialogue right now, correct?
HARRIS: Well, I've got to tell you, I can go into that in a little more detail.
For most of the morning we've been watching this bucket. It is a concrete, maybe slash water bucket, that's been attached to a pulley that's attached to a conveyer belt that's been moving back and forth along the arm of that crane. Whenever Roland would move right, the crane would move right. Whenever he would move left, the conveyer belt would move left. And when he would fake either way, it would do the same thing.
And in that bucket police placed a siren, and for much of the morning, that siren has been blaring. We're a few hundred yards away from the construction site. And I'll tell you, when that siren has been going, it's been loud. It has been annoying and agitating. I can't imagine what it's been like for Roland up there, close to 48 hours, without a harness, hot and hungry and tired. It has to be tremendously disorienting.
And to your point directly, when that siren has been blaring, there's been no conversation at all, no negotiations to bring this to a peaceful conclusion.
O'BRIEN: All right. Tony Harris, we will dissect the strategy a little later on LIVE FROM. Thank you very much -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, time would certainly seem to be on the side of police, but is waiting all they can do? Howard Robinson is a former SWAT commander and hostage negotiator with the New Orleans P.D. He joins us now from nearby Metarie (ph), Louisiana.
Good to see you, Howard.
HOWARD ROBINSON, FORMER SWAT COMMANDER: Good morning, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, a lot of people asking, of course, that don't have background in police tactics and negotiation, why not -- it's been two days now, why not go for him? Why not try and just grab him, bring him down, shoot him with a tranquilizer, put him to sleep? A lot of civilians asking these -- these questions.
ROBINSON: I could give you a lot of answers for that, but really, everything the police are doing right now is a positive thing to do. I know it's creating turmoil downtown, and people, even your reporters, are saying that restaurants are being affected and business is being affected.
But the thing that's on the police side right now is, this is the beginning of the holiday. And people are going to leave work early today. They're going to take off, which gives them, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday to bring this to an end without anyone getting hurt.
If they try a tactical move, which may be like you said, a beanbag gun, a dart sleep (ph), and something happens, then they're going to be the ones that forced that death. If he hasn't jumped at this time, chances are he's not going to. It's just a matter now of what's going to make him come down.
Now, you heard the family members saying, "Why don't they let me talk?" You know, the family members always feel like they can talk him down. Let's make it really clear to the family members. A lot of times somebody is waiting for the family members so that they can apologize to the family members for what they're going to do, and then they commit suicide.
That's why family members are usually not the ones that talk people down. Sometimes it works, but percentage-wise, they're the worst ones to talk. It's usually better to talk a complete stranger or negotiator talk. And you've got a much better chance for a positive ending.
PHILLIPS: Interesting. All right, Howard. Real quickly, just because we're watching a live shot right now of the crane.
ROBINSON: OK.
PHILLIPS: Just moments ago, I believe it was a police helicopter I saw airborne. I'm not sure how close it is to the crane or not, but it reminds me of a situation where there was a man at the top of a crane. I can't remember what state it was in. And they did launch a helicopter, and it freaked him out. He was mentally unstable, and he jumped.
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: So in this situation -- here we go. We've got the live picture now. The helicopter is just above the crane. Why would they do that?
ROBINSON: Well, I think what they're doing right now is, and this is just an educated guess, they're trying to make him uncomfortable in his surroundings. Now obviously, he's comfortable on that crane. If it were me on that crane, I'd be holding on and not moving. So he's obviously comfortable with heights.
But they put the siren on, and you know, a very successful tactic is music. A lot of times you put music to aggravate someone in the house to where they're not comfortable. Now, it may be rap music. It's got to be something that they don't like that's going to be really annoying to them.
That's what they're doing with the helicopter. They're trying to make him disoriented. They're trying to make, with the siren, make him disoriented. Until they say, "Hey, we'll stop this if you'll talk to us. If you'll seriously talk to us and start negotiating, we'll stop that."
That's what they're trying to do.
PHILLIPS: Well, he's been there now at 4 p.m. Eastern Time, it will be exactly 48 hours.
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: Could they be doing this to try to keep him awake? I know earlier they had a bucket swinging back and forth that was making some noise because they didn't want him to fall asleep.
ROBINSON: Absolutely.
PHILLIPS: Could this be part of -- is this another tactic? In addition to what you're saying, maybe trying to annoy him, but is it a tactic, possibly, to try and keep him awake?
ROBINSON: Absolutely. The longer he's awake, the more tired he becomes, the more apt he is to surrender. I mean, so far he's refused food and water. And the longer he continues that, you know, the weaker he becomes and the more chance he has of giving up. Now, you know, the negotiators are still trying to talk to him, trying to tell him he has a life, he still has a chance, that -- yes, he's going to jail. But with our American system, anything could happen. An appeal could happen. He could win his court case. He still has a chance.
He jumps off that crane, he has no chance. And that's what they're trying to tell him. They're trying to keep it very positive now.
PHILLIPS: All right. Let me ask you another question, because I know you and how you operate. It's the same way I'm sure these negotiators are thinking. Look, we can wait this out as long as he stays up here. We can wait days on end.
ROBINSON: Correct.
PHILLIPS: All right. But considering where this is, for example...
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: ... it takes 10 minutes for me to drive home. It's been taking up to an hour to an hour and a half. I mean, the perimeter, Howard...
ROBINSON: Correct.
PHILLIPS: ... from where this is taking place is huge. And it's blocked off major areas and a major part of downtown where a lot of people go and do business and go out in the evening.
So at what point do law enforcement officials say, "OK, this is affecting the city. It's affecting the economy. It's affecting business. We've got to do something, because it's disrupting city life and taxpayers are getting pretty upset"?
ROBINSON: Well, I can tell you from personal experience, that there are back room meetings going on right now that people might not admit to. But you can bet the politicians are calling the police chief, saying, "Hey, end this thing really quick, because we're getting calls from business owners."
But the police tactical commander is saying, "There's no hostage. There's no one's life at danger. Do I risk a police officer's life in an attempt to make a rescue, or do I wait it out?"
If it was me, I'm going to wait it out. I think I can still try and talk this guy out. There's nothing right now that would make me move forward, especially knowing that the weekend is coming.
Remember this also, Kyra, that there's lawyers in the background back there saying if the police make an attempt and they fail, the family is going to sue the police department and the city of Atlanta, saying that they forced him to jump off that crane, that they wouldn't wait long enough to get him off. That's going to be a big factor in what's coming on. And that's always in a tactical commander's head, the civil liability, as well as what's going on.
Is it worth risking a human life, because it's inconvenient for someone to drive home a couple -- you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes longer? I don't think so. Yes, it's inconvenient, but I think if you look at it in the long run, human life is more valuable.
PHILLIPS: Howard Robinson, former SWAT commander and negotiator there in New Orleans. Always appreciate your analysis and your time, Howard. Thank you so much.
ROBINSON: Thanks, Kyra. Good luck.
O'BRIEN: Well, you can almost hear the late night monologues writing themselves, but the FDA says it is serious about investigating more than three dozen reports of blindness among users of Viagra and some other wildly popular erectile dysfunction drugs, 43 to be precise, out of the millions of men who have used those drugs since '98.
Details now from CNN medical correspondent, Christy Feig.
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CHRISTY FEIG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The FDA says they are investigating about 38 cases of blindness in men taking Viagra. This type of blindness is called nonarteritic anterior ischemic optic neuropathy. It's basically a stroke of the eye. The blood flow is cut off to the optic nerve, injuring the nerve and causing permanent vision loss.
Researchers from the University of Minnesota say in 14 cases they've seen, the men were between the ages of 50 and 69 years old. And almost all of them had health problems like high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol or a history of smoking.
In those cases the men lost either the central part of their vision or their peripheral vision. It was not total vision loss, but it was permanent.
Pfizer, the maker of Viagra, released a statement saying, "There is no evidence that NAION occurred more frequently in men taking Viagra than in men of similar age and health of men who did not take Viagra."
In an FDA statement, they say, "Viagra is safe and effective as labeled. There are no changes to the overall risk-benefit profile. Patients should talk to their doctor about using the drug and whether the drug is right for them."
There are two other impotence drugs on the market, Cialis and Levitra. The makers of Cialis say they have had four cases of NAION and have already changed their labels. The makers of Levitra have reported one case.
Christy Feig, CNN, Washington.
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PHILLIPS: Bombshell in Bali: 20 years in prison for the Australian student beautician caught with nine pounds of marijuana on her arrival at Bali airport last October.
Well, under Indonesian law, Schapelle Corby could have faced death. Prosecutors pushed for life. But that's little comfort to Corby or her outraged fellow Australians, chief among them her mother and sister.
Correspondent Tim Palmer of Australian broadcasting was in the courtroom when the verdict and the sentence came down.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (speaking foreign language)
TIM PALMER, AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTER (voice-over): As the full wait of Indonesian law fell on Schapelle Corby, she appeared not to understand quite what had happened. Then, after checking with her interpreter, it began to sink in.
She turned to glare at prosecutors. Her only words, "Mom, it's OK." Looking a very long way from hope, Schapelle Corby cried at the prospect of jail until she's 47 years old.
At the back of the court, there was the same confusion at first, then bitter fury from Corby's sister and mother, directed squarely at the judges.
MERCEDES CORBY, SCHAPELLE'S SISTER: It's not all right! How dare you?
ROSE CORBY, SCHAPELLE'S MOTHER: We swore on the Bible to tell the truth, and your fellow lied!
PALMER: It was a hammer blow for a family that had held out hope against the seemingly inevitable even as they'd arrived at court.
R. CORBY: My daughter's coming home. She's coming home. OK? OK?
PALMER: There was little over the first hour and a half of the judgment to indicate which way the decision might flow. And Schapelle Corby even looked relaxed at times.
But that all fell away as the judges began to spell out how they judged the witnesses in the case. The Indonesian customs officials who'd found the marijuana in Schapelle Corby's bag were accepted as truthful.
Every single defense witness -- those who tried to suggest someone else planted the drugs -- were ruled as irrelevant to the judgment. Friends, relatives, a baggage handler and prisoner John Ford, none of them could prove who else had planted the drugs, the judges said. Then the judges turned to Corby herself, saying she was convincingly proved to have trafficked the drugs. "The actions of the accused were a danger to the community," the judges read. "This was a transnational crime that could damage the minds of young people." The die had been cast.
Before she was led away, Schapelle Corby fought past police to embrace her mother. Her last words before leaving court, sounding as if she was seeking spiritual solace.
R. CORBY: You will get what you want in time.
PALMER: Then, as she left for prison, a last exchange.
R. CORBY: Schapelle, you will come home!
PALMER: Left behind were her lawyers, castigated by the judges and deeply worried about their client.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think she can survive.
PALMER: But outside it was a far angrier mood.
M. CORBY: To all our family and friends, we love you all. Schapelle is innocent. This verdict is unjust! The case now is in a new phase, and we'll stand by her every step of the way. The lawyers have done their best, and with the support of all the Australians, thank you, Schapelle will be coming home soon. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
PALMER: And then it was all over. A last few scrambled seconds, and Schapelle Corby was spirited off to Prevacount (ph) prison, a media spectacle to the end.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Schapelle, would (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
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O'BRIEN: Live pictures now. This is Annapolis, Maryland. The president of the United States is addressing the class of 2005, midshipmen and midshipwomen. He spoke to them, 30-minute address just a little while ago.
And of course, now the ceremonies continue there, including the navy blue and gold singing and then, of course, the tossing of the caps. Let's listen for a moment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Classes of 2006, 2007, 2008, please be seated. You'll have to wait a little bit longer. Class of 2005, I propose three cheers for those we leave behind.
Hip hip...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hooray!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hooray!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hip hip...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hooray!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hip hip...
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O'BRIEN: All right. There's the spectacle.
Class of 2005 no longer midshipmen and midshipwomen. That's where the tradition began, tossing the midshipmen hats into the air. In exchange they receive officer caps.
In this case, 148 women, 828 men. Seven hundred and fifty become Navy ensigns, 270 Marine Corps second lieutenants, four Air Force second lieutenants. What are they doing there? Three Army second lieutenants. That does happen. One Coast Guard ensign and eight foreign officers.
Congratulations to the class of 2005. Back with more LIVE FROM in just a moment.
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O'BRIEN: Now that's a shot. That's a shot. Little better angle. Camera goes up to the sky with the caps.
The class of 2005, 976 strong, from the U.S. Naval Academy. There's the commander in chief up there in the blue and gold jacket, having addressed them. The last time he spoke, four years ago before 9/11. What a different world it is today which brings him to Annapolis.
Remember, Memorial Day weekend used to be the unofficial kickoff to the summer box office season. But increasingly, Hollywood is left holding the bag, thanks to small screen competition. And in many cases folks have real big screens at home now. And the fact that audiences, really, they've seen it all by now, or at least a lot of it before.
Ken and Daria Dolan joining us from New York City. That and some special bonus advice for the city of Atlanta. But first -- no pop and a lot of corn. And speaking of corn...
KEN DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": I got my popcorn.
DARIA DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": And I got my soda right here.
O'BRIEN: I detect -- I detect some product placement deals for the Dolans here. I noticed that. It's like watching "American Idol" and the Coca-Colas, you know?
D. DOLAN: We're going to stay home with the soda and -- soda pop and this popcorn, and we're going to watch either our DVDs...
K. DOLAN: Or TiVo.
D. DOLAN: ... or TiVo. And this is the problem.
O'BRIEN: Now, this is not a problem for us, of course. You probably have a wonderful home theater, because you guys, you know, are just rolling in dough.
K. DOLAN: Big time.
O'BRIEN: And so you've got the big screen, surround sound, all that stuff. And you probably have some people to wait on you there. So why would you go -- why would you ever go to a theater, right?
K. DOLAN: Miles, let me be honest with you. We are so rich that the people from the movie come and perform in our house, the actual movie itself.
O'BRIEN: They do it live. They have it live right there, yes. K. DOLAN: And "Star Wars" in a house is not easy with all -- with the thing.
O'BRIEN: Well, it doesn't work so well, special effects, the blue screens. It gets complicated.
K. DOLAN: It's a mess.
O'BRIEN: Well, you mentioned "Star Wars." Let's talk about "Star Wars." That is probably the only movie we've seen in awhile that actually sort of compels you to go out and buy the ticket. You know, the remake of "The Honeymooners"...
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: ... or whatever. Name the -- "The Longest Yard," for example.
K. DOLAN: "Herbie."
O'BRIEN: The great Herbie. On and on they go. It just doesn't do anything for me. You say to yourself, "I'll wait for the DVD," right?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
D. DOLAN: Well, you know, a lot of people are waiting for the DVD. Or what's happening, in the case of a "Star Wars," that's an abnormal situation for Hollywood, because it is a brand name. It's been around a long time. It was well anticipated. Everybody knows it's the last of the sequels and prequels. And so that will get and has gotten people out.
But what's happening is there are fewer releases across the board on the part of Hollywood, less marketing being spent. So when they get a big one like a "Star Wars," if they've a multiplex with 10, 12 screens, they're going to run it on eight of the screens. And it's leaving very little interest on the part of any other movie other than that.
And towards the end of that run, because of the number of screens it's been out on, the waning few days of it are showing -- nobody is showing up for.
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Well, they aren't any good new ideas out there. They're just knocking off things they've done before.
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Of course, that lowers your marketing budget, right?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: You do a remake, everybody knows what it is, right, Ken?
K. DOLAN: And you know, Miles, and you're a scientific guy, really. You're one of the tech guys here at CNN. And I think one of the biggest underlying problems about the movie business is not usual with music, with TiVo, with DVR, DVDs and with iPods, is that people want to do, especially recreation -- they want to do it. They want to hear it. They want to see it when they want to.
So this is part of a trend. It's not like -- I don't want to go to the movies when they show it.
O'BRIEN: Right.
K. DOLAN: What I want to do is I'll wait four months on average, Miles. New releases are out on DVDs, DVRs, in about four months after release. People are saying, "I don't want to go through it."
O'BRIEN: So what do you think? Will the theaters become kind of, you know, loss leaders, kind of thing? And the real -- of course, the real money is really being made in the after-market sales anyway. Right?
K. DOLAN: No doubt about it. Absolutely, Miles.
D. DOLAN: You know what's going to turn it around for them, and one of the studios will figure this out soon, after 13 consecutive weeks of lower revenue than they had in the previous year and three years of declining revenue.
They're going to come to the conclusion, some studio, "You know what? Maybe we should make more movies, give them more choice and spend a little bit more on marketing." And once one of them breaks through in that mode, the others will follow suit. Because they do tend to copy one another.
O'BRIEN: Yes.
D. DOLAN: That's going to turn it around
O'BRIEN: They copy one another. Is that it?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: That's it. I'm amazed. I'm shocked. Shocked that they're copying each other.
D. DOLAN: Well, you know...
K. DOLAN: I love it when you say "shocked," Miles.
D. DOLAN: The interesting thing here is the domestic market, in the eyes of Hollywood encompasses both the U.S. and Canada, which enables them to have the possibility of 300 million people, 300 million pairs of eyes.
Well, you figure a good grossing movie right now is $150 million gross, domestically. That means, at the average ticket price of $6.12 only, only 24 million pairs of eyes are going to these movies. So they've got a huge audience out there they've yet to tap.
O'BRIEN: All right. We've got to move o, because I know you have advice for us on this crane thing.
K. DOLAN: You know...
O'BRIEN: From "The Longest Yard" to the longest crane. Let's go -- let's get the live picture, delayed.
K. DOLAN: Atlanta, yes.
O'BRIEN: There it is. And we were thinking about some solutions, and one of our favorite little pieces of tape came to mind. I'm interested in your thoughts.
K. DOLAN: That's called the Atlanta trampoline effect, after you drop, and they're perfectly safe. And then he lands right back on the trampoline.
O'BRIEN: Kids, don't try it at home, but it's just a thought
K. DOLAN: Don't try that in your yard.
D. DOLAN: You know, but as a resident of the state of Florida, I really apologize. I think we have more fruits and nuts coming out of our state now than California could dream of.
K. DOLAN: And address your hate mail to Daria. That's D-A-R-I- A.
O'BRIEN: Yes, all right, guys. That is Ken...
K. DOLAN: Have a nice weekend, Miles.
O'BRIEN: ... and Daria Dolan. They are busy working on their show, even though it's unscripted. I don't know what they do. But they're doing something there. And they're clashing. Hopefully, they're get their -- their costuming together by tomorrow, when you watch that ratings juggernaut, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED," 10 a.m. Eastern Time, right here on CNN -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, the verdict, we're being told, is not guilty for a Clinton fundraiser.
A jury has acquitted David Rosen, the finance director of Hillary -- Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign, on two charges of making false and fraudulent statements to the FEC.
According to allegations, Rosen was accused of underreporting the cost of a star-studded gala back in 2000 that raised money for Clinton's New York campaign. That event, which included a dinner and concert at an L.A. estate, was a tribute to her husband, former President Bill Clinton.
Rosen, 38 years old, allegedly had filed reports saying that the event cost only $400,000, when it really cost $1.2 million.
Prosecutors said that the underreporting was designed to provide Hillary Clinton more money for her campaign. However, a jury finding Rosen not guilty. Senator Clinton not accused in any of the wrongdoing in this case.
Once again, David Rosen, finance director -- former finance director for Hillary Clinton, found not guilty.
We'll take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: An Australian woman caught in an international legal battle says she is not a drug trafficker.
TONY HARRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Three hundred fifty feet above the ground without a harness, without a net, hot, tired, hungry. What is Carl Roland going to do now? I'm Tony Harris, live from Atlanta with the latest.
MILES O'BRIEN, CO-HOST: Identity theft: just how easy is it for hackers to steal your information? A computer cop will show us how it happens in real time.
PHILLIPS: Listen up, Viagra users. Word of caution: some men are suffering a serious side effect.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips.
O'BRIEN: And I'm Miles O'Brien. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.
It is a war of wills, a test of endurance and still, just a question of time. It's Carl Edward Roland, 350 feet above the see and be seen Buckhead district of Atlanta, now approaching 48 hours on the long metal arm of a construction crane with the long arm of the law just out of reach.
Roland is suspected of killing an ex-girlfriend in Florida before making what would seem to be his last stand in Atlanta. We get the latest from CNN's Tony Harris, just a few miles north of where you stand now -- Tony.
HARRIS: Well, Miles, no one can believe it. You're right: coming up on 48 hours now and Carl Roland is still on the construction crane, 350 feet above the ground, dangling at least a portion of the crane over Peachtree Road and the trendy Buckhead section of Atlanta. He's been there since Wednesday afternoon at about 4 p.m.
I've got to tell you, on the ground it has been a nightmare. Imagine if you're a resident of the area, if you're a commuter trying to get back and forth to work or a business owner in this area. It's been very difficult, for all the road closures, to get back and forth. If you're a business owner, you're not doing much business because people just can't seem to get to where you are.
And I've got to tell you, it has been this way since about 4, 4:30 on Wednesday afternoon. Police, on the other hand, their concern is to try to bring this to a successful conclusion, that means talking Carl Roland down.
To that end, Roland's sister has expressed a lot of frustration that she hasn't been allowed, in her words, to be more a part of the effort to talk her brother down. Let's hear first from Tiwana Roland and then from Roland's brother, John.
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TIWANA ROLAND, CARL ROLAND'S SISTER: I feel they won't let me talk to him because they think that -- you know, they don't want me to be the one that -- they don't me to be the one to get him down. They want to be the one to apprehend him. But I feel that I can get him down if they just let me converse with him and talk to him. I know I could. Ain't no doubt about that.
JOHN ROLAND, CARL ROLAND'S BROTHER: He ain't going to jump, because if he had, he would have did. Now I feel it's time for family to come in and try to help. And they won't let me on the scene.
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HARRIS: Well, I've got to tell you, John, in talking about his brother is making a point that has been part of a discussion on the ground here. I have to tell you, what is Carl Roland looking for? Is he looking for a reason to jump or for a reason to surrender to police?
What has he been doing up on that crane for, what, close to 48 hours now? A couple of things: resting at times. We understand that he has been given a jacket from the police department that he has taken. He's been offered food and water. He has declined that.
He has been engaged in animated conversations with police, but he has spent, Miles, most of his time deconstructing, if you will, the crane, knocking off as many pieces of the crane as he can, and that's where we stand right now, almost 48 hours into this ordeal -- Miles.
O'BRIEN: Well, Tony, just watching the scene this morning as we have, it appear there is no ongoing dialogue right now, correct?
HARRIS: Well, I've got to tell you, I can go into that in a little more detail.
For most of the morning we've been watching this bucket. It is a concrete, maybe slash water bucket, that's been attached to a pulley that's attached to a conveyer belt that's been moving back and forth along the arm of that crane. Whenever Roland would move right, the crane would move right. Whenever he would move left, the conveyer belt would move left. And when he would fake either way, it would do the same thing.
And in that bucket police placed a siren, and for much of the morning, that siren has been blaring. We're a few hundred yards away from the construction site. And I'll tell you, when that siren has been going, it's been loud. It has been annoying and agitating. I can't imagine what it's been like for Roland up there, close to 48 hours, without a harness, hot and hungry and tired. It has to be tremendously disorienting.
And to your point directly, when that siren has been blaring, there's been no conversation at all, no negotiations to bring this to a peaceful conclusion.
O'BRIEN: All right. Tony Harris, we will dissect the strategy a little later on LIVE FROM. Thank you very much -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, time would certainly seem to be on the side of police, but is waiting all they can do? Howard Robinson is a former SWAT commander and hostage negotiator with the New Orleans P.D. He joins us now from nearby Metarie (ph), Louisiana.
Good to see you, Howard.
HOWARD ROBINSON, FORMER SWAT COMMANDER: Good morning, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, a lot of people asking, of course, that don't have background in police tactics and negotiation, why not -- it's been two days now, why not go for him? Why not try and just grab him, bring him down, shoot him with a tranquilizer, put him to sleep? A lot of civilians asking these -- these questions.
ROBINSON: I could give you a lot of answers for that, but really, everything the police are doing right now is a positive thing to do. I know it's creating turmoil downtown, and people, even your reporters, are saying that restaurants are being affected and business is being affected.
But the thing that's on the police side right now is, this is the beginning of the holiday. And people are going to leave work early today. They're going to take off, which gives them, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday to bring this to an end without anyone getting hurt.
If they try a tactical move, which may be like you said, a beanbag gun, a dart sleep (ph), and something happens, then they're going to be the ones that forced that death. If he hasn't jumped at this time, chances are he's not going to. It's just a matter now of what's going to make him come down.
Now, you heard the family members saying, "Why don't they let me talk?" You know, the family members always feel like they can talk him down. Let's make it really clear to the family members. A lot of times somebody is waiting for the family members so that they can apologize to the family members for what they're going to do, and then they commit suicide.
That's why family members are usually not the ones that talk people down. Sometimes it works, but percentage-wise, they're the worst ones to talk. It's usually better to talk a complete stranger or negotiator talk. And you've got a much better chance for a positive ending.
PHILLIPS: Interesting. All right, Howard. Real quickly, just because we're watching a live shot right now of the crane.
ROBINSON: OK.
PHILLIPS: Just moments ago, I believe it was a police helicopter I saw airborne. I'm not sure how close it is to the crane or not, but it reminds me of a situation where there was a man at the top of a crane. I can't remember what state it was in. And they did launch a helicopter, and it freaked him out. He was mentally unstable, and he jumped.
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: So in this situation -- here we go. We've got the live picture now. The helicopter is just above the crane. Why would they do that?
ROBINSON: Well, I think what they're doing right now is, and this is just an educated guess, they're trying to make him uncomfortable in his surroundings. Now obviously, he's comfortable on that crane. If it were me on that crane, I'd be holding on and not moving. So he's obviously comfortable with heights.
But they put the siren on, and you know, a very successful tactic is music. A lot of times you put music to aggravate someone in the house to where they're not comfortable. Now, it may be rap music. It's got to be something that they don't like that's going to be really annoying to them.
That's what they're doing with the helicopter. They're trying to make him disoriented. They're trying to make, with the siren, make him disoriented. Until they say, "Hey, we'll stop this if you'll talk to us. If you'll seriously talk to us and start negotiating, we'll stop that."
That's what they're trying to do.
PHILLIPS: Well, he's been there now at 4 p.m. Eastern Time, it will be exactly 48 hours.
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: Could they be doing this to try to keep him awake? I know earlier they had a bucket swinging back and forth that was making some noise because they didn't want him to fall asleep.
ROBINSON: Absolutely.
PHILLIPS: Could this be part of -- is this another tactic? In addition to what you're saying, maybe trying to annoy him, but is it a tactic, possibly, to try and keep him awake?
ROBINSON: Absolutely. The longer he's awake, the more tired he becomes, the more apt he is to surrender. I mean, so far he's refused food and water. And the longer he continues that, you know, the weaker he becomes and the more chance he has of giving up. Now, you know, the negotiators are still trying to talk to him, trying to tell him he has a life, he still has a chance, that -- yes, he's going to jail. But with our American system, anything could happen. An appeal could happen. He could win his court case. He still has a chance.
He jumps off that crane, he has no chance. And that's what they're trying to tell him. They're trying to keep it very positive now.
PHILLIPS: All right. Let me ask you another question, because I know you and how you operate. It's the same way I'm sure these negotiators are thinking. Look, we can wait this out as long as he stays up here. We can wait days on end.
ROBINSON: Correct.
PHILLIPS: All right. But considering where this is, for example...
ROBINSON: Right.
PHILLIPS: ... it takes 10 minutes for me to drive home. It's been taking up to an hour to an hour and a half. I mean, the perimeter, Howard...
ROBINSON: Correct.
PHILLIPS: ... from where this is taking place is huge. And it's blocked off major areas and a major part of downtown where a lot of people go and do business and go out in the evening.
So at what point do law enforcement officials say, "OK, this is affecting the city. It's affecting the economy. It's affecting business. We've got to do something, because it's disrupting city life and taxpayers are getting pretty upset"?
ROBINSON: Well, I can tell you from personal experience, that there are back room meetings going on right now that people might not admit to. But you can bet the politicians are calling the police chief, saying, "Hey, end this thing really quick, because we're getting calls from business owners."
But the police tactical commander is saying, "There's no hostage. There's no one's life at danger. Do I risk a police officer's life in an attempt to make a rescue, or do I wait it out?"
If it was me, I'm going to wait it out. I think I can still try and talk this guy out. There's nothing right now that would make me move forward, especially knowing that the weekend is coming.
Remember this also, Kyra, that there's lawyers in the background back there saying if the police make an attempt and they fail, the family is going to sue the police department and the city of Atlanta, saying that they forced him to jump off that crane, that they wouldn't wait long enough to get him off. That's going to be a big factor in what's coming on. And that's always in a tactical commander's head, the civil liability, as well as what's going on.
Is it worth risking a human life, because it's inconvenient for someone to drive home a couple -- you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes longer? I don't think so. Yes, it's inconvenient, but I think if you look at it in the long run, human life is more valuable.
PHILLIPS: Howard Robinson, former SWAT commander and negotiator there in New Orleans. Always appreciate your analysis and your time, Howard. Thank you so much.
ROBINSON: Thanks, Kyra. Good luck.
O'BRIEN: Well, you can almost hear the late night monologues writing themselves, but the FDA says it is serious about investigating more than three dozen reports of blindness among users of Viagra and some other wildly popular erectile dysfunction drugs, 43 to be precise, out of the millions of men who have used those drugs since '98.
Details now from CNN medical correspondent, Christy Feig.
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CHRISTY FEIG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The FDA says they are investigating about 38 cases of blindness in men taking Viagra. This type of blindness is called nonarteritic anterior ischemic optic neuropathy. It's basically a stroke of the eye. The blood flow is cut off to the optic nerve, injuring the nerve and causing permanent vision loss.
Researchers from the University of Minnesota say in 14 cases they've seen, the men were between the ages of 50 and 69 years old. And almost all of them had health problems like high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol or a history of smoking.
In those cases the men lost either the central part of their vision or their peripheral vision. It was not total vision loss, but it was permanent.
Pfizer, the maker of Viagra, released a statement saying, "There is no evidence that NAION occurred more frequently in men taking Viagra than in men of similar age and health of men who did not take Viagra."
In an FDA statement, they say, "Viagra is safe and effective as labeled. There are no changes to the overall risk-benefit profile. Patients should talk to their doctor about using the drug and whether the drug is right for them."
There are two other impotence drugs on the market, Cialis and Levitra. The makers of Cialis say they have had four cases of NAION and have already changed their labels. The makers of Levitra have reported one case.
Christy Feig, CNN, Washington.
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PHILLIPS: Bombshell in Bali: 20 years in prison for the Australian student beautician caught with nine pounds of marijuana on her arrival at Bali airport last October.
Well, under Indonesian law, Schapelle Corby could have faced death. Prosecutors pushed for life. But that's little comfort to Corby or her outraged fellow Australians, chief among them her mother and sister.
Correspondent Tim Palmer of Australian broadcasting was in the courtroom when the verdict and the sentence came down.
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TIM PALMER, AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTER (voice-over): As the full wait of Indonesian law fell on Schapelle Corby, she appeared not to understand quite what had happened. Then, after checking with her interpreter, it began to sink in.
She turned to glare at prosecutors. Her only words, "Mom, it's OK." Looking a very long way from hope, Schapelle Corby cried at the prospect of jail until she's 47 years old.
At the back of the court, there was the same confusion at first, then bitter fury from Corby's sister and mother, directed squarely at the judges.
MERCEDES CORBY, SCHAPELLE'S SISTER: It's not all right! How dare you?
ROSE CORBY, SCHAPELLE'S MOTHER: We swore on the Bible to tell the truth, and your fellow lied!
PALMER: It was a hammer blow for a family that had held out hope against the seemingly inevitable even as they'd arrived at court.
R. CORBY: My daughter's coming home. She's coming home. OK? OK?
PALMER: There was little over the first hour and a half of the judgment to indicate which way the decision might flow. And Schapelle Corby even looked relaxed at times.
But that all fell away as the judges began to spell out how they judged the witnesses in the case. The Indonesian customs officials who'd found the marijuana in Schapelle Corby's bag were accepted as truthful.
Every single defense witness -- those who tried to suggest someone else planted the drugs -- were ruled as irrelevant to the judgment. Friends, relatives, a baggage handler and prisoner John Ford, none of them could prove who else had planted the drugs, the judges said. Then the judges turned to Corby herself, saying she was convincingly proved to have trafficked the drugs. "The actions of the accused were a danger to the community," the judges read. "This was a transnational crime that could damage the minds of young people." The die had been cast.
Before she was led away, Schapelle Corby fought past police to embrace her mother. Her last words before leaving court, sounding as if she was seeking spiritual solace.
R. CORBY: You will get what you want in time.
PALMER: Then, as she left for prison, a last exchange.
R. CORBY: Schapelle, you will come home!
PALMER: Left behind were her lawyers, castigated by the judges and deeply worried about their client.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think she can survive.
PALMER: But outside it was a far angrier mood.
M. CORBY: To all our family and friends, we love you all. Schapelle is innocent. This verdict is unjust! The case now is in a new phase, and we'll stand by her every step of the way. The lawyers have done their best, and with the support of all the Australians, thank you, Schapelle will be coming home soon. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
PALMER: And then it was all over. A last few scrambled seconds, and Schapelle Corby was spirited off to Prevacount (ph) prison, a media spectacle to the end.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Schapelle, would (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
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O'BRIEN: Live pictures now. This is Annapolis, Maryland. The president of the United States is addressing the class of 2005, midshipmen and midshipwomen. He spoke to them, 30-minute address just a little while ago.
And of course, now the ceremonies continue there, including the navy blue and gold singing and then, of course, the tossing of the caps. Let's listen for a moment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Classes of 2006, 2007, 2008, please be seated. You'll have to wait a little bit longer. Class of 2005, I propose three cheers for those we leave behind.
Hip hip...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hooray!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hip hip...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hooray!
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O'BRIEN: All right. There's the spectacle.
Class of 2005 no longer midshipmen and midshipwomen. That's where the tradition began, tossing the midshipmen hats into the air. In exchange they receive officer caps.
In this case, 148 women, 828 men. Seven hundred and fifty become Navy ensigns, 270 Marine Corps second lieutenants, four Air Force second lieutenants. What are they doing there? Three Army second lieutenants. That does happen. One Coast Guard ensign and eight foreign officers.
Congratulations to the class of 2005. Back with more LIVE FROM in just a moment.
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O'BRIEN: Now that's a shot. That's a shot. Little better angle. Camera goes up to the sky with the caps.
The class of 2005, 976 strong, from the U.S. Naval Academy. There's the commander in chief up there in the blue and gold jacket, having addressed them. The last time he spoke, four years ago before 9/11. What a different world it is today which brings him to Annapolis.
Remember, Memorial Day weekend used to be the unofficial kickoff to the summer box office season. But increasingly, Hollywood is left holding the bag, thanks to small screen competition. And in many cases folks have real big screens at home now. And the fact that audiences, really, they've seen it all by now, or at least a lot of it before.
Ken and Daria Dolan joining us from New York City. That and some special bonus advice for the city of Atlanta. But first -- no pop and a lot of corn. And speaking of corn...
KEN DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": I got my popcorn.
DARIA DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": And I got my soda right here.
O'BRIEN: I detect -- I detect some product placement deals for the Dolans here. I noticed that. It's like watching "American Idol" and the Coca-Colas, you know?
D. DOLAN: We're going to stay home with the soda and -- soda pop and this popcorn, and we're going to watch either our DVDs...
K. DOLAN: Or TiVo.
D. DOLAN: ... or TiVo. And this is the problem.
O'BRIEN: Now, this is not a problem for us, of course. You probably have a wonderful home theater, because you guys, you know, are just rolling in dough.
K. DOLAN: Big time.
O'BRIEN: And so you've got the big screen, surround sound, all that stuff. And you probably have some people to wait on you there. So why would you go -- why would you ever go to a theater, right?
K. DOLAN: Miles, let me be honest with you. We are so rich that the people from the movie come and perform in our house, the actual movie itself.
O'BRIEN: They do it live. They have it live right there, yes. K. DOLAN: And "Star Wars" in a house is not easy with all -- with the thing.
O'BRIEN: Well, it doesn't work so well, special effects, the blue screens. It gets complicated.
K. DOLAN: It's a mess.
O'BRIEN: Well, you mentioned "Star Wars." Let's talk about "Star Wars." That is probably the only movie we've seen in awhile that actually sort of compels you to go out and buy the ticket. You know, the remake of "The Honeymooners"...
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: ... or whatever. Name the -- "The Longest Yard," for example.
K. DOLAN: "Herbie."
O'BRIEN: The great Herbie. On and on they go. It just doesn't do anything for me. You say to yourself, "I'll wait for the DVD," right?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
D. DOLAN: Well, you know, a lot of people are waiting for the DVD. Or what's happening, in the case of a "Star Wars," that's an abnormal situation for Hollywood, because it is a brand name. It's been around a long time. It was well anticipated. Everybody knows it's the last of the sequels and prequels. And so that will get and has gotten people out.
But what's happening is there are fewer releases across the board on the part of Hollywood, less marketing being spent. So when they get a big one like a "Star Wars," if they've a multiplex with 10, 12 screens, they're going to run it on eight of the screens. And it's leaving very little interest on the part of any other movie other than that.
And towards the end of that run, because of the number of screens it's been out on, the waning few days of it are showing -- nobody is showing up for.
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Well, they aren't any good new ideas out there. They're just knocking off things they've done before.
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Of course, that lowers your marketing budget, right?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: You do a remake, everybody knows what it is, right, Ken?
K. DOLAN: And you know, Miles, and you're a scientific guy, really. You're one of the tech guys here at CNN. And I think one of the biggest underlying problems about the movie business is not usual with music, with TiVo, with DVR, DVDs and with iPods, is that people want to do, especially recreation -- they want to do it. They want to hear it. They want to see it when they want to.
So this is part of a trend. It's not like -- I don't want to go to the movies when they show it.
O'BRIEN: Right.
K. DOLAN: What I want to do is I'll wait four months on average, Miles. New releases are out on DVDs, DVRs, in about four months after release. People are saying, "I don't want to go through it."
O'BRIEN: So what do you think? Will the theaters become kind of, you know, loss leaders, kind of thing? And the real -- of course, the real money is really being made in the after-market sales anyway. Right?
K. DOLAN: No doubt about it. Absolutely, Miles.
D. DOLAN: You know what's going to turn it around for them, and one of the studios will figure this out soon, after 13 consecutive weeks of lower revenue than they had in the previous year and three years of declining revenue.
They're going to come to the conclusion, some studio, "You know what? Maybe we should make more movies, give them more choice and spend a little bit more on marketing." And once one of them breaks through in that mode, the others will follow suit. Because they do tend to copy one another.
O'BRIEN: Yes.
D. DOLAN: That's going to turn it around
O'BRIEN: They copy one another. Is that it?
K. DOLAN: Yes.
O'BRIEN: That's it. I'm amazed. I'm shocked. Shocked that they're copying each other.
D. DOLAN: Well, you know...
K. DOLAN: I love it when you say "shocked," Miles.
D. DOLAN: The interesting thing here is the domestic market, in the eyes of Hollywood encompasses both the U.S. and Canada, which enables them to have the possibility of 300 million people, 300 million pairs of eyes.
Well, you figure a good grossing movie right now is $150 million gross, domestically. That means, at the average ticket price of $6.12 only, only 24 million pairs of eyes are going to these movies. So they've got a huge audience out there they've yet to tap.
O'BRIEN: All right. We've got to move o, because I know you have advice for us on this crane thing.
K. DOLAN: You know...
O'BRIEN: From "The Longest Yard" to the longest crane. Let's go -- let's get the live picture, delayed.
K. DOLAN: Atlanta, yes.
O'BRIEN: There it is. And we were thinking about some solutions, and one of our favorite little pieces of tape came to mind. I'm interested in your thoughts.
K. DOLAN: That's called the Atlanta trampoline effect, after you drop, and they're perfectly safe. And then he lands right back on the trampoline.
O'BRIEN: Kids, don't try it at home, but it's just a thought
K. DOLAN: Don't try that in your yard.
D. DOLAN: You know, but as a resident of the state of Florida, I really apologize. I think we have more fruits and nuts coming out of our state now than California could dream of.
K. DOLAN: And address your hate mail to Daria. That's D-A-R-I- A.
O'BRIEN: Yes, all right, guys. That is Ken...
K. DOLAN: Have a nice weekend, Miles.
O'BRIEN: ... and Daria Dolan. They are busy working on their show, even though it's unscripted. I don't know what they do. But they're doing something there. And they're clashing. Hopefully, they're get their -- their costuming together by tomorrow, when you watch that ratings juggernaut, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED," 10 a.m. Eastern Time, right here on CNN -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Well, the verdict, we're being told, is not guilty for a Clinton fundraiser.
A jury has acquitted David Rosen, the finance director of Hillary -- Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign, on two charges of making false and fraudulent statements to the FEC.
According to allegations, Rosen was accused of underreporting the cost of a star-studded gala back in 2000 that raised money for Clinton's New York campaign. That event, which included a dinner and concert at an L.A. estate, was a tribute to her husband, former President Bill Clinton.
Rosen, 38 years old, allegedly had filed reports saying that the event cost only $400,000, when it really cost $1.2 million.
Prosecutors said that the underreporting was designed to provide Hillary Clinton more money for her campaign. However, a jury finding Rosen not guilty. Senator Clinton not accused in any of the wrongdoing in this case.
Once again, David Rosen, finance director -- former finance director for Hillary Clinton, found not guilty.
We'll take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.
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