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Aired May 31, 2005 - 14:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: And "Now in the News," is this the face of the man who brought down the Nixon administration? "Vanity Fair" magazine says that's what Mark Felt is claiming. The former FBI official, now 91, has also been one of the leading Deep Throat candidates. But Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate story in 1972, are still refusing to comment on Deep Throat's identity.
Now, just a few moments ago, Mark Felt's grandson, Nick Jones, spoke to reporters.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NICK JONES, MARK FELT'S GRANDSON: The family believes my grandfather Mark Felt Sr. is a great American hero who went well above and beyond the call of duty, at much risk to himself, to save his country from a horrible injustice. We all sincerely hope the country will see him this way, as well. My grandfather is pleased that he is being honored for his role as Deep Throat with his friend Bob Woodward.

He is also pleased by the attention this has drawn to his career and his 32 years of service to his country. But he believes in his heart that the men and women of the FBI who have put their -- who have put their lives at risk for more than 50 years to keep this country safe deserve recognition more than he.

Mark had expressed reservations in the past about revealing his identity and about whether his actions were appropriate for an FBI man. But as he recently told my mother, I guess people used to think Deep Throat was a criminal, but now they think he's a hero.

Our family believes older people are our national treasure and should be honored and respected in the declining years of their lives. My grandfather is one of those special people and on behalf of the Felt family, we hope you see him as worthy of honor and respect as we do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: The runaway bride gets out her checkbook. The mayor of Duluth, Georgia, says Jennifer Wilbanks is paying the city more than $13,000 to cover the costs of the search for her a few weeks ago. Mayor Shirley Lasseter wanted closer to $42,000, but says Duluth is ready to move on. The payment doesn't have any impact on the pending criminal case. A tense stand-off at a Wal-Mart store in Simi Valley, California. Police say a man barricaded himself inside this store after allegedly shooting and wounding a sheriff's deputy. It is unclear whether there are any hostages or if anyone else has been injured. The Ventura County Sheriff's Office says the man may be the suspect in a double homicide in Thousand Oaks California on Monday. We'll bring you more information as we get it.

Legal minds in the Michael Jackson trial are likely butting heads today as they grapple over what instructions to give jurors in the case. The pop star is not in the courtroom today, neither is the jury.

But our Ted Rowlands is in Santa Maria, California, keeping track of today's developments. Good afternoon, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon, Tony.

A lot of legalese here. As you mentioned, both sides are fighting to get certain things into the jury instructions and that process is expected to take the entire day. The judge in this case is hearing from both sides as they go through which instructions will be read to this jury. The judge has indicated that he plans on packeting the instructions and giving each juror a copy of this packet when they start their deliberation process.

And we do believe that the jury could get this case as early as Thursday and start to deliberate. At this point, jurors, we expect, will deliberate each day from 8:30 Pacific until 2:30 Pacific with four breaks in between and that is the current schedule. They will be in the jury room here in the courthouse deliberating and we have been told that they will not leave the courthouse for lunch or breaks. They will continue their deliberation process throughout.

As you mentioned, Michael Jackson is not here. We talked to his spokesperson, who was here for a considerable amount of time, who says that Michael Jackson is nervous, along with family members, because, of course, it will be the day of reckoning for him, one way or another, and the jury will be getting this case soon and will soon be delivering a verdict one way or another. He's not here. He will be here tomorrow for closing arguments, which begin tomorrow with the prosecution. Ron Zonen will be delivering the prosecution's closing arguments.

Tom Mesereau, the lead attorney for Michael Jackson, is not in court today. He presumably is working on his close, which he will deliver for the defense. Because this is not a death penalty case, the prosecution will get the last word. They'll have a small rebuttal following the defense close, then the jury will be instructed and as we -- as I said, we expect the jury will begin deliberating Jackson's fate by Thursday of this week -- Tony.

HARRIS: Ted Rowlands, following the Jackson trial for us in Santa Maria, California. Ted, thank you.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We have an amber alert to tell you that's coming out of Corpus Christi, Texas, right now. Dylan Rios, 2-year-old boy, reported missing. The suspect, according to police, is little Dylan's biological mother, Stephanie Rios. According to police, Stephanie Rios took her child that she does not have custody over last night.

The legal custodian is the maternal grandmother, who says she fears for the welfare of the child. According to the police report here, the mother has a history of drug abuse and assaultive behavior. So Corpus Christi police asking for your help right now to find this little boy, Dylan Rios. And that's actually a picture there of the suspect. The police are calling the suspect Stephanie Rios. Any information, once again, call Corpus Christi police.

Well, moving on now. Almost 250 journalists from 74 countries are gathering here at CNN's global headquarters in Atlanta for two days. The purpose? To engage in a spirited debate about connecting our world through covering it. From Europe to the Middle East to the United States, some of the most famous journalists, world leaders and thinkers are putting us all to the challenge.

One of the keynote speakers, Dr. Deepak Chopra, best-selling author and lecturer on peace. His latest book "Peace is the Way" is a "New York Times" best-seller. He joins us here live.

How are you?

DEEPAK CHOPRA, AUTHOR, MEDICAL DOCTOR: I'm good. Thank you.

KAGAN: So I'm curious, how did all the journalists respond to you? Did they have lots of questions or did you silence them?

CHOPRA: There was mainly silence at the end, but I think they were listening.

KAGAN: So what did you tell them?

CHOPRA: I told them that there's a difference between information, knowledge and wisdom. Information is the collection of raw data. How you use that information is knowledge and you can use it both for divine and diabolical purposes. You know, you can use information to interfere with air traffic signals and cause nuclear leaks.

And, you know, tomorrow's world, information wars will become the norm. So there won't be any superpower. Biological weapons and nuclear weapons will be obsolete. All I need is a computer, move electrons, can kill a city, if I want to. So information can be used for diabolical purposes.

And that's knowledge, either divine or diabolical, and what is wisdom? Wisdom is that knowledge which nurtures the chain of being, the web of existence, the ecosystem of which we are a part. And Dr. Jonas Salk, who was a great evolutionary biologist, said survival of the fittest must be replaced by survival of the wisest, because otherwise we risk our extinction. PHILLIPS: So taking in account information, knowledge, wisdom -- I mean, that's what every journalist strives to achieve, being well- informed, being knowledgeable and having the wisdom to tell the story in a fair and accurate way.

CHOPRA: Yes, actually, CNN is a good example of nurturing different points of view, because just look at this conference. There are people from Saudi Arabia, there are people from all over the world, all the Arab countries, Asia, et cetera. So just the fact that they bring with them a certain cultural mindset, a historical mindset, allows you to give news from different perspectives.

Now, some of your competitors don't do that. They have a very biased, very unilateral point of view. I think the future belongs to that kind of news because news creates the future. You know, it's -- our current news is what came to us from the past, our interpretation of present events. But how we interpret present events literally creates the future. Look at what happened when "Newsweek" published their article about the Koran going down the toilet. So many people died across the world as a result of that.

PHILLIPS: That's right. I mean, there were riots in Afghanistan because of that story.

CHOPRA: Yes, and, you know, it wasn't -- we still don't know if it was an accurate story or not. You have to put things in context. You know, everything has a context. When you understand the meaning and context, then you don't demonize the other. It's impossible for a human being to kill another human being unless in their minds they demonize them.

So we end up demonizing each other, we end up comparing our ideas of acceptable slaughter, so we say bombing is all right, even though we know that 90 percent of people that die as a result of bombing are what we call collateral damage. But beheading is brutal, OK? It's slaughter.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about that.

CHOPRA: Either way.

PHILLIPS: You bring up that point of -- and I want to ask you about this. I had you read this article. It was on the editorial page in "USA Today," because you talk so much about peace. Peace is the way and you talk about Gandhi and all the other philosophies. But according to this editorial page talking about the myths of globalization, the writer says, "historical eras of relative peace have never come about because competing cultures agreed to cooperate, but because both sides were exhausted by war. No peace lasted."

CHOPRA: We're not living in those historical times. We are living in new time where modern capacities and ancient habits are so devastating that we risk our extinction. To give you an example right now, there will never be a war in western Europe because there is a common economic market, and soon there might be a common constitution and when that -- that's an aspect of globalization. I can tell you, guaranteed, that their common interests, economic and cultural, in the diversity of it all, will prevent war in the future. That's part of it, too.

PHILLIPS: But, when you get...

CHOPRA: And that's part of globalization, too.

PHILLIPS: But, look at terrorism. Look at terrorism. I mean, even journalists that are here visiting from all over the world -- they said, you know what, it changes the way we do our job now.

CHOPRA: Of course it does, but you have to understand the root causes of global instability which have to do with abject poverty: 50 percent of the world lives on less than $2 a day, of which 1.1 billion people -- that's 20 percent of the total population of the world -- live on less than $1 a day. Eight million people, according to Jeffrey Sachs, die a year because they are too poor to stay alive.

The fact that -- you know, I tell you what's news. Yesterday, 20,000 children died of hunger. Today, 20,000 people are dying of hunger. Tomorrow 20,000 children are dying of hunger. That's news, too, and when we share our suffering with each other, when we know the context that the ecology, economics, social justice, war, terrorism and our overconsumption where 5 percent of the world's population consumes 40 percent of the world's resources, they're all inseparably linked to each other. It's not just oh, go fight a war against terrorism. Fight a war against drugs. It's the wrong metaphor.

You know, we don't need to fight wars. We need to come up with creative solutions. A hundred years from now, if we survive, this will be the darkest of the darkest of ages where people couldn't solve their problems on a massive scale. Fifty wars going on in the world right now. You know, the past, yes, was brutal but never this brutal.

PHILLIPS: And you talk about those solutions in your book, "Peace is the Way." Also, you have a conference coming up in December. Real quickly, the Web site -- I know we wrote it down.

CHOPRA: ANHGlobal.org. WWW.ANHGlobal.org. Please come by.

PHILLIPS: You can learn about it, and of course, big names like Bill Clinton, Mikhail Gorbachev, Marianne Wilson (ph) -- wonderful.

CHOPRA: You should be there.

PHILLIPS: You put me to the challenge. Deepak Chopra, thank you so much.

CHOPRA: Thank you, Kyra.

O'BRIEN: Well, a baby in Peru, known as a little mermaid, is on her way to a new life today thanks to some daring doctors.

PHILLIPS: And later, monkey business caught on tape. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. We've always got to have an animal story, always, "Video of the Day." (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: A mob angered by sectarian violence in Pakistan set a KFC restaurant on fire in Karachi. Six employees were killed. Four were burned to death and two others apparently died trying to escape the flames by hiding in a refrigeration unit.

France has a new prime minister. Dominique de Villepin is replacing Jean-Pierre Raffarin. French president Jacques Chirac dumped Raffarin after French voters rejected the European Union constitution in a referendum on Sunday, a move many saw as a humiliation for Chirac. De Villepin is a familiar face to many Americans. He personally jetted around the world drumming up opposition to the war in Iraq.

PHILLIPS: Well, he's heard the kind of stories that would curdle your stomach. As one of the surviving Nazi interrogators, his mission was get the truth from members of the Third Reich. Now he's sharing war stories with our national security correspondent David Ensor.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we now think of as...

DAVID ENSOR, NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At 86, John Dolibois is one of the few still alive who knows firsthand what top Nazis were really like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reich Marshall Herman Goering at 7th army headquarters in Alsborg (ph), Germany, after surrendering to the U.S....

ENSOR: In 1945, he was a U.S. Army interrogator, assigned to Herr Marshall Herman Goering and other top Nazi prisoners. His mission? Help prosecutors at the Nuremberg tribunal decide who to try for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Goering, he says, was one of the worst war criminals, but he was interesting.

JOHN DOLIBOIS, FMR U.S. ARMY INTERROGATOR: Goering was a lot of fun.

ENSOR (on camera): A lot of fun?

DOLIBOIS: Fun, oh, yes. He's a good guy to party with. Goering had a little black book in which he wrote down all the underground jokes being told about himself by the German people, by Hitler, Himmler, the Nazi party. He collected jokes, jokes for which you could be sent to concentration camp if you're caught telling them, but he collected them. That's kind of weird, but it amused me, and if he was in a good mood, he would tell you these jokes. That made him interesting.

He was interesting also because he was a dope addict. He was shot in the groin during a putsch in 1923 when he was at Hitler's side and he went through a very intensive recovery period during which he became addicted to morphine. ENSOR (voice-over): Dolibois and other interrogators lived with over 80 Nazi prisoners for months at a hotel turned into a prison. It was in Luxembourg, which, as it happens, is the nation of his birth.

(on camera): What sorts of characters did you run into in that palace hotel?

DOLIBOIS: Well, probably the most interesting, psychologically, was Julius Streicher, the Jew baiter. He was interesting because he was such an obnoxious, disgusting individual. He was a Jew baiter, a hater. He was -- sexologist. He -- his...

ENSOR: Sexologist?

DOLIBOIS: He was an expert on sex. He knew all about pornography and he loved to talk about abnormal sex. You had it -- just as I say, he's disgusting.

ENSOR: And what happened to him? What was his sentence?

DOLIBOIS: He was hanged.

ENSOR: (voice-over): Dolibois says it wasn't that difficult to get most of the top Nazis to talk. They had no idea they could be tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity; before Nuremberg, there was no such concept. Plus, some liked to boast, or to transfer blame.

DOLIBOIS: They squealed on each other, put the blame on somebody else. I had nothing to do with this, but he did and he's a swine. You should really get him.

ENSOR (on camera): Did you ever use any kinds of pressure to get information?

DOLIBOIS: The only pressure we ever used was, well, look, if you don't want to cooperate for your own good, we'll just send you over to the Soviet Union. They have ways of getting information. Would you rather go there?

ENSOR: That must have been effective, I imagine.

DOLIBOIS: That opened up a lot of mouths, yes. And we didn't even have to do that often.

ENSOR: As somebody who participated in these interrogations of Nazis all these years ago, now when you hear about the scandals in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, what do you think?

DOLIBOIS: They're being tried and have been tried. They're being punished, maybe not as severely as I would punish them, because they gave our country a bad name, a bad reputation and helped fuel the flames that made anti-Americanism even more vicious and bitter. But what they did is in violation of the rules, they were having fun. They were not carrying out an interrogation technique. ENSOR: Nazi interrogator John Dolibois, his most famous prisoner Hermann Goering, cheated the hangman after Nuremberg, using cyanide poison that he hidden inside a false tooth.

David Ensor, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: More news around the world now.

It's a big day for Peru's little mermaid. Today doctors will begin the first of several risky operations designed to separate her fused legs and give her a chance at a normal life. The rare condition is known as Mermaid Syndrome because of the way her legs and feet are connected by tissue.

Rock, lava and ash spewing from Mexico's Fire Volcano. Debris shot three miles into the air yesterday, then scattered hot rocks on the slopes below. It's the latest eruption -- or the largest eruption, rather, from the Colima volcano complex in the last 15 years.

And angry after a family squabble, a young primate is on the run. Officials at the Belfast Zoo in Northern Ireland are looking for this escaped Colobus monkey. The 4-year-old apparently took off on Sunday. It was caught briefly by a cell phone camera -- got to love those cell phones -- but he remains on the lam.

HARRIS: A family dispute, you say, led to the disappearances.

PHILLIPS: He was really upset because he got grounded after coming in late.

HARRIS: It happens. We've all been there. We're following up.

PHILLIPS: Hanging from a limb.

HARRIS: Developing story. The identity of Deep Throat revealed. The latest at the top of the hour.

PHILLIPS: And we'll introduce you to a boy on a mission. They call him the little sheikh and his flock is growing.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: "Now in the News," Deep Throat, according to "Vanity Fair Magazine." Former FBI official Mark Felt says he was the secret source who helped Woodward and Bernstein uncover the Watergate scandal. We'll have much more on Felt's stunning declaration in just a moment.

The Supreme Court has overturned the conviction of a former accounting giant, Arthur Andersen, for destroying documents related to Enron. The justices agreed unanimously that jury instructions at trial were flawed. Andersen's 2002 obstruction of justice conviction virtually destroyed that company.

The attorney for radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh has asked a judge to review search warrants for his client's medical records. The records were seized in an investigation of Limbaugh's use of prescription drugs. Attorney Roy Black says that prosecutors have no right to examine records that don't pertain to the probe. Limbaugh has not been charged with a crime.

HARRIS: As mysteries goes, it's right up there with Roswell and the Lock Ness Monster.

PHILLIPS: It's Deep Throat, the anonymous insider who helped two no-name reporters uncover the scandal of the century. The scandal was Watergate. The reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, and the insider, would you believe, W. Mark Felt. In the early 1970s, Felt was the number two official at the FBI and suspected inside the White House as the origin of so many leaks about dirty tricks and cover-ups. But everybody suspected somebody and nobody talked 'til now.

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Aired May 31, 2005 - 14:30   ET
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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: And "Now in the News," is this the face of the man who brought down the Nixon administration? "Vanity Fair" magazine says that's what Mark Felt is claiming. The former FBI official, now 91, has also been one of the leading Deep Throat candidates. But Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate story in 1972, are still refusing to comment on Deep Throat's identity.
Now, just a few moments ago, Mark Felt's grandson, Nick Jones, spoke to reporters.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NICK JONES, MARK FELT'S GRANDSON: The family believes my grandfather Mark Felt Sr. is a great American hero who went well above and beyond the call of duty, at much risk to himself, to save his country from a horrible injustice. We all sincerely hope the country will see him this way, as well. My grandfather is pleased that he is being honored for his role as Deep Throat with his friend Bob Woodward.

He is also pleased by the attention this has drawn to his career and his 32 years of service to his country. But he believes in his heart that the men and women of the FBI who have put their -- who have put their lives at risk for more than 50 years to keep this country safe deserve recognition more than he.

Mark had expressed reservations in the past about revealing his identity and about whether his actions were appropriate for an FBI man. But as he recently told my mother, I guess people used to think Deep Throat was a criminal, but now they think he's a hero.

Our family believes older people are our national treasure and should be honored and respected in the declining years of their lives. My grandfather is one of those special people and on behalf of the Felt family, we hope you see him as worthy of honor and respect as we do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: The runaway bride gets out her checkbook. The mayor of Duluth, Georgia, says Jennifer Wilbanks is paying the city more than $13,000 to cover the costs of the search for her a few weeks ago. Mayor Shirley Lasseter wanted closer to $42,000, but says Duluth is ready to move on. The payment doesn't have any impact on the pending criminal case. A tense stand-off at a Wal-Mart store in Simi Valley, California. Police say a man barricaded himself inside this store after allegedly shooting and wounding a sheriff's deputy. It is unclear whether there are any hostages or if anyone else has been injured. The Ventura County Sheriff's Office says the man may be the suspect in a double homicide in Thousand Oaks California on Monday. We'll bring you more information as we get it.

Legal minds in the Michael Jackson trial are likely butting heads today as they grapple over what instructions to give jurors in the case. The pop star is not in the courtroom today, neither is the jury.

But our Ted Rowlands is in Santa Maria, California, keeping track of today's developments. Good afternoon, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon, Tony.

A lot of legalese here. As you mentioned, both sides are fighting to get certain things into the jury instructions and that process is expected to take the entire day. The judge in this case is hearing from both sides as they go through which instructions will be read to this jury. The judge has indicated that he plans on packeting the instructions and giving each juror a copy of this packet when they start their deliberation process.

And we do believe that the jury could get this case as early as Thursday and start to deliberate. At this point, jurors, we expect, will deliberate each day from 8:30 Pacific until 2:30 Pacific with four breaks in between and that is the current schedule. They will be in the jury room here in the courthouse deliberating and we have been told that they will not leave the courthouse for lunch or breaks. They will continue their deliberation process throughout.

As you mentioned, Michael Jackson is not here. We talked to his spokesperson, who was here for a considerable amount of time, who says that Michael Jackson is nervous, along with family members, because, of course, it will be the day of reckoning for him, one way or another, and the jury will be getting this case soon and will soon be delivering a verdict one way or another. He's not here. He will be here tomorrow for closing arguments, which begin tomorrow with the prosecution. Ron Zonen will be delivering the prosecution's closing arguments.

Tom Mesereau, the lead attorney for Michael Jackson, is not in court today. He presumably is working on his close, which he will deliver for the defense. Because this is not a death penalty case, the prosecution will get the last word. They'll have a small rebuttal following the defense close, then the jury will be instructed and as we -- as I said, we expect the jury will begin deliberating Jackson's fate by Thursday of this week -- Tony.

HARRIS: Ted Rowlands, following the Jackson trial for us in Santa Maria, California. Ted, thank you.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We have an amber alert to tell you that's coming out of Corpus Christi, Texas, right now. Dylan Rios, 2-year-old boy, reported missing. The suspect, according to police, is little Dylan's biological mother, Stephanie Rios. According to police, Stephanie Rios took her child that she does not have custody over last night.

The legal custodian is the maternal grandmother, who says she fears for the welfare of the child. According to the police report here, the mother has a history of drug abuse and assaultive behavior. So Corpus Christi police asking for your help right now to find this little boy, Dylan Rios. And that's actually a picture there of the suspect. The police are calling the suspect Stephanie Rios. Any information, once again, call Corpus Christi police.

Well, moving on now. Almost 250 journalists from 74 countries are gathering here at CNN's global headquarters in Atlanta for two days. The purpose? To engage in a spirited debate about connecting our world through covering it. From Europe to the Middle East to the United States, some of the most famous journalists, world leaders and thinkers are putting us all to the challenge.

One of the keynote speakers, Dr. Deepak Chopra, best-selling author and lecturer on peace. His latest book "Peace is the Way" is a "New York Times" best-seller. He joins us here live.

How are you?

DEEPAK CHOPRA, AUTHOR, MEDICAL DOCTOR: I'm good. Thank you.

KAGAN: So I'm curious, how did all the journalists respond to you? Did they have lots of questions or did you silence them?

CHOPRA: There was mainly silence at the end, but I think they were listening.

KAGAN: So what did you tell them?

CHOPRA: I told them that there's a difference between information, knowledge and wisdom. Information is the collection of raw data. How you use that information is knowledge and you can use it both for divine and diabolical purposes. You know, you can use information to interfere with air traffic signals and cause nuclear leaks.

And, you know, tomorrow's world, information wars will become the norm. So there won't be any superpower. Biological weapons and nuclear weapons will be obsolete. All I need is a computer, move electrons, can kill a city, if I want to. So information can be used for diabolical purposes.

And that's knowledge, either divine or diabolical, and what is wisdom? Wisdom is that knowledge which nurtures the chain of being, the web of existence, the ecosystem of which we are a part. And Dr. Jonas Salk, who was a great evolutionary biologist, said survival of the fittest must be replaced by survival of the wisest, because otherwise we risk our extinction. PHILLIPS: So taking in account information, knowledge, wisdom -- I mean, that's what every journalist strives to achieve, being well- informed, being knowledgeable and having the wisdom to tell the story in a fair and accurate way.

CHOPRA: Yes, actually, CNN is a good example of nurturing different points of view, because just look at this conference. There are people from Saudi Arabia, there are people from all over the world, all the Arab countries, Asia, et cetera. So just the fact that they bring with them a certain cultural mindset, a historical mindset, allows you to give news from different perspectives.

Now, some of your competitors don't do that. They have a very biased, very unilateral point of view. I think the future belongs to that kind of news because news creates the future. You know, it's -- our current news is what came to us from the past, our interpretation of present events. But how we interpret present events literally creates the future. Look at what happened when "Newsweek" published their article about the Koran going down the toilet. So many people died across the world as a result of that.

PHILLIPS: That's right. I mean, there were riots in Afghanistan because of that story.

CHOPRA: Yes, and, you know, it wasn't -- we still don't know if it was an accurate story or not. You have to put things in context. You know, everything has a context. When you understand the meaning and context, then you don't demonize the other. It's impossible for a human being to kill another human being unless in their minds they demonize them.

So we end up demonizing each other, we end up comparing our ideas of acceptable slaughter, so we say bombing is all right, even though we know that 90 percent of people that die as a result of bombing are what we call collateral damage. But beheading is brutal, OK? It's slaughter.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about that.

CHOPRA: Either way.

PHILLIPS: You bring up that point of -- and I want to ask you about this. I had you read this article. It was on the editorial page in "USA Today," because you talk so much about peace. Peace is the way and you talk about Gandhi and all the other philosophies. But according to this editorial page talking about the myths of globalization, the writer says, "historical eras of relative peace have never come about because competing cultures agreed to cooperate, but because both sides were exhausted by war. No peace lasted."

CHOPRA: We're not living in those historical times. We are living in new time where modern capacities and ancient habits are so devastating that we risk our extinction. To give you an example right now, there will never be a war in western Europe because there is a common economic market, and soon there might be a common constitution and when that -- that's an aspect of globalization. I can tell you, guaranteed, that their common interests, economic and cultural, in the diversity of it all, will prevent war in the future. That's part of it, too.

PHILLIPS: But, when you get...

CHOPRA: And that's part of globalization, too.

PHILLIPS: But, look at terrorism. Look at terrorism. I mean, even journalists that are here visiting from all over the world -- they said, you know what, it changes the way we do our job now.

CHOPRA: Of course it does, but you have to understand the root causes of global instability which have to do with abject poverty: 50 percent of the world lives on less than $2 a day, of which 1.1 billion people -- that's 20 percent of the total population of the world -- live on less than $1 a day. Eight million people, according to Jeffrey Sachs, die a year because they are too poor to stay alive.

The fact that -- you know, I tell you what's news. Yesterday, 20,000 children died of hunger. Today, 20,000 people are dying of hunger. Tomorrow 20,000 children are dying of hunger. That's news, too, and when we share our suffering with each other, when we know the context that the ecology, economics, social justice, war, terrorism and our overconsumption where 5 percent of the world's population consumes 40 percent of the world's resources, they're all inseparably linked to each other. It's not just oh, go fight a war against terrorism. Fight a war against drugs. It's the wrong metaphor.

You know, we don't need to fight wars. We need to come up with creative solutions. A hundred years from now, if we survive, this will be the darkest of the darkest of ages where people couldn't solve their problems on a massive scale. Fifty wars going on in the world right now. You know, the past, yes, was brutal but never this brutal.

PHILLIPS: And you talk about those solutions in your book, "Peace is the Way." Also, you have a conference coming up in December. Real quickly, the Web site -- I know we wrote it down.

CHOPRA: ANHGlobal.org. WWW.ANHGlobal.org. Please come by.

PHILLIPS: You can learn about it, and of course, big names like Bill Clinton, Mikhail Gorbachev, Marianne Wilson (ph) -- wonderful.

CHOPRA: You should be there.

PHILLIPS: You put me to the challenge. Deepak Chopra, thank you so much.

CHOPRA: Thank you, Kyra.

O'BRIEN: Well, a baby in Peru, known as a little mermaid, is on her way to a new life today thanks to some daring doctors.

PHILLIPS: And later, monkey business caught on tape. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. We've always got to have an animal story, always, "Video of the Day." (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: A mob angered by sectarian violence in Pakistan set a KFC restaurant on fire in Karachi. Six employees were killed. Four were burned to death and two others apparently died trying to escape the flames by hiding in a refrigeration unit.

France has a new prime minister. Dominique de Villepin is replacing Jean-Pierre Raffarin. French president Jacques Chirac dumped Raffarin after French voters rejected the European Union constitution in a referendum on Sunday, a move many saw as a humiliation for Chirac. De Villepin is a familiar face to many Americans. He personally jetted around the world drumming up opposition to the war in Iraq.

PHILLIPS: Well, he's heard the kind of stories that would curdle your stomach. As one of the surviving Nazi interrogators, his mission was get the truth from members of the Third Reich. Now he's sharing war stories with our national security correspondent David Ensor.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we now think of as...

DAVID ENSOR, NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At 86, John Dolibois is one of the few still alive who knows firsthand what top Nazis were really like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reich Marshall Herman Goering at 7th army headquarters in Alsborg (ph), Germany, after surrendering to the U.S....

ENSOR: In 1945, he was a U.S. Army interrogator, assigned to Herr Marshall Herman Goering and other top Nazi prisoners. His mission? Help prosecutors at the Nuremberg tribunal decide who to try for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Goering, he says, was one of the worst war criminals, but he was interesting.

JOHN DOLIBOIS, FMR U.S. ARMY INTERROGATOR: Goering was a lot of fun.

ENSOR (on camera): A lot of fun?

DOLIBOIS: Fun, oh, yes. He's a good guy to party with. Goering had a little black book in which he wrote down all the underground jokes being told about himself by the German people, by Hitler, Himmler, the Nazi party. He collected jokes, jokes for which you could be sent to concentration camp if you're caught telling them, but he collected them. That's kind of weird, but it amused me, and if he was in a good mood, he would tell you these jokes. That made him interesting.

He was interesting also because he was a dope addict. He was shot in the groin during a putsch in 1923 when he was at Hitler's side and he went through a very intensive recovery period during which he became addicted to morphine. ENSOR (voice-over): Dolibois and other interrogators lived with over 80 Nazi prisoners for months at a hotel turned into a prison. It was in Luxembourg, which, as it happens, is the nation of his birth.

(on camera): What sorts of characters did you run into in that palace hotel?

DOLIBOIS: Well, probably the most interesting, psychologically, was Julius Streicher, the Jew baiter. He was interesting because he was such an obnoxious, disgusting individual. He was a Jew baiter, a hater. He was -- sexologist. He -- his...

ENSOR: Sexologist?

DOLIBOIS: He was an expert on sex. He knew all about pornography and he loved to talk about abnormal sex. You had it -- just as I say, he's disgusting.

ENSOR: And what happened to him? What was his sentence?

DOLIBOIS: He was hanged.

ENSOR: (voice-over): Dolibois says it wasn't that difficult to get most of the top Nazis to talk. They had no idea they could be tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity; before Nuremberg, there was no such concept. Plus, some liked to boast, or to transfer blame.

DOLIBOIS: They squealed on each other, put the blame on somebody else. I had nothing to do with this, but he did and he's a swine. You should really get him.

ENSOR (on camera): Did you ever use any kinds of pressure to get information?

DOLIBOIS: The only pressure we ever used was, well, look, if you don't want to cooperate for your own good, we'll just send you over to the Soviet Union. They have ways of getting information. Would you rather go there?

ENSOR: That must have been effective, I imagine.

DOLIBOIS: That opened up a lot of mouths, yes. And we didn't even have to do that often.

ENSOR: As somebody who participated in these interrogations of Nazis all these years ago, now when you hear about the scandals in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, what do you think?

DOLIBOIS: They're being tried and have been tried. They're being punished, maybe not as severely as I would punish them, because they gave our country a bad name, a bad reputation and helped fuel the flames that made anti-Americanism even more vicious and bitter. But what they did is in violation of the rules, they were having fun. They were not carrying out an interrogation technique. ENSOR: Nazi interrogator John Dolibois, his most famous prisoner Hermann Goering, cheated the hangman after Nuremberg, using cyanide poison that he hidden inside a false tooth.

David Ensor, CNN, Washington.

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PHILLIPS: More news around the world now.

It's a big day for Peru's little mermaid. Today doctors will begin the first of several risky operations designed to separate her fused legs and give her a chance at a normal life. The rare condition is known as Mermaid Syndrome because of the way her legs and feet are connected by tissue.

Rock, lava and ash spewing from Mexico's Fire Volcano. Debris shot three miles into the air yesterday, then scattered hot rocks on the slopes below. It's the latest eruption -- or the largest eruption, rather, from the Colima volcano complex in the last 15 years.

And angry after a family squabble, a young primate is on the run. Officials at the Belfast Zoo in Northern Ireland are looking for this escaped Colobus monkey. The 4-year-old apparently took off on Sunday. It was caught briefly by a cell phone camera -- got to love those cell phones -- but he remains on the lam.

HARRIS: A family dispute, you say, led to the disappearances.

PHILLIPS: He was really upset because he got grounded after coming in late.

HARRIS: It happens. We've all been there. We're following up.

PHILLIPS: Hanging from a limb.

HARRIS: Developing story. The identity of Deep Throat revealed. The latest at the top of the hour.

PHILLIPS: And we'll introduce you to a boy on a mission. They call him the little sheikh and his flock is growing.

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PHILLIPS: "Now in the News," Deep Throat, according to "Vanity Fair Magazine." Former FBI official Mark Felt says he was the secret source who helped Woodward and Bernstein uncover the Watergate scandal. We'll have much more on Felt's stunning declaration in just a moment.

The Supreme Court has overturned the conviction of a former accounting giant, Arthur Andersen, for destroying documents related to Enron. The justices agreed unanimously that jury instructions at trial were flawed. Andersen's 2002 obstruction of justice conviction virtually destroyed that company.

The attorney for radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh has asked a judge to review search warrants for his client's medical records. The records were seized in an investigation of Limbaugh's use of prescription drugs. Attorney Roy Black says that prosecutors have no right to examine records that don't pertain to the probe. Limbaugh has not been charged with a crime.

HARRIS: As mysteries goes, it's right up there with Roswell and the Lock Ness Monster.

PHILLIPS: It's Deep Throat, the anonymous insider who helped two no-name reporters uncover the scandal of the century. The scandal was Watergate. The reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, and the insider, would you believe, W. Mark Felt. In the early 1970s, Felt was the number two official at the FBI and suspected inside the White House as the origin of so many leaks about dirty tricks and cover-ups. But everybody suspected somebody and nobody talked 'til now.

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