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Terror Suspects; Deep Throat Revealed

Aired June 01, 2005 - 13:32   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: A standoff under way right now in Shelbyville, Indiana. We don't want to show you live pictures, because we don't want to give away the positions of the SWAT team now. But we can tell you an armed man involved in a high-speed chase with police officers crashed his car around Interstate 74 there in Shelbyville, Indiana, and then fled on foot to this nearby convenience store, where he has apparently taken two people hostage.
Right now, the SWAT team is there, negotiators are trying to develop communications with this man. There were two people, we were told, that were in this car when it crashed along I-74. One of the men was apprehended. But the other man is holed up inside this Bigfoot convenience store. Pictures courtesy of our affiliate WTHR. It's happening out of Shelbyville, Indiana. We don't immediately know why police were chasing the men in the car in the first place, why the pursuit began. It might have been involved -- because, it might have been a stolen-car scenario from Ohio.

Anyway, we'll following this hostage situation, this convenience store. We'll bring you more information as soon as we get it.

One is a doctor, the other a noted jazz musician. They're U.S. citizens, arrested and charged with conspiring to help Al Qaeda. Their friends question the government's case and wonder if the men aren't being scapegoated because they're Muslim.

Here's CNN's Adaora Udoji.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tarik Shah a music man, seen here jamming on a base in a New York City club. Friends say he's magical.

NELLIE DYER, FRIEND OF SUSPECT: He's a peace-loving, masterful bassist. He is internationally renowned. He's respected in the jazz community.

UDOJI: But federal prosecutors say Shah plotted to help terrorists, that he pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda, unknowingly to an undercover FBI agent and a confidential informant, that he promised to use his martial arts expertise to teach militants hand-to-hand combat, even scouted warehouses.

Shah was in court, but made no formal plea. Outside, his wife, among friends, stood by his lawyer who denied the charge.

ERICA MCDANIEL, EDWARDS'S SHAH'S ATTY.: He wouldn't be the victim of a sting operation unless he was a Muslim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he wasn't -- exactly.

UDOJI: Prosecutors also allege Shah brought in his friend of 20 years, Dr. Rafiq Sabir, a father of four. An Ivy League medical school graduate, now an emergency specialist in Boca Raton, Florida. His alleged contribution, to help stitch up militants fighting the holy war. They say hours of tape recordings prove it. Sabir was also in court, but his hearing was delayed so he could hire an attorney. Sabir's friends don't believe the accusations.

DANIEL MCBRIDE, ISLAMIC CTR. OF BOCA RATON: He's just a real nice guy. He's a physician, because that's what he wants to do, is help people.

UDOJI: Dr. Farouq Khan, a lung specialist who knew Sabir in Long Island in the late 1990s says the man cared deeply about health care for all.

DR. FAROUQ KHAN, STATE UNIV. OF N.Y.: He was hard working, he would put in his hours, and he was very committed to justice.

UDOJI: Shah and Sabir's supporters question the validity of the case, asking how a two-year investigation led to only a single charge. They want justice, but they worry sometimes Muslims are scapegoated.

KHAN: There have been these high profile cases put forth, and then when they hit the judicial system, they fizzle out. I know many families which have been destroyed because of allegations made.

UDOJI: The court case has just begun against the musician and the doctor. Both are being held without bail.

Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Up next, we're going to read your e-mails about Watergate's Deep Throat, Mark Felt. And later, travel back in time with us, back before there was a Russell Crowe, back before there was Renee Zellweger, before there was a movie called "Cinderella Man," there was a legendary boxer, Jim Braddock, the man behind the movie. Get the true story of Braddock's inspiring comeback, next on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Putting a face on Deep Throat ends one of the most closely guarded secrets in American political history. But 33 years is a long time, even by Washington standards, and some were holding out for sexier snitch.

Here's CNN's Jeanne Moos.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a day when "Deep Throat" was on everybody's lips.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The identity of Deep Throat.

BILL SCHNEIDER: Deep Throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deep Throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deep Throat was the ultimate anonymous source.

MOOS: To a symphony of clicking cameras, W. Mark Felt revealed himself. "I'm the Guy They Called Deep Throat," blared "Vanity Fair."

His name is Mark Felt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never heard of him.

MOOS: And his name is Mark Felt.

Confronted with Deep Throat's face, she made a face. Even some of the media needed a reminder.

MOOS: Look, I have a cheat sheet. Mark Felt.

Sure, there were more famous candidates for Deep Throat from Al Hague to Henry Kissinger to Diane Sawyer, a former Nixon press aide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I wish it had been Diane Sawyer.

MOOS: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I don't know. Because, wouldn't it have been wonderful? Because she is so sexy!

MOOS: Instead, it was a 91-year-old former FBI honcho.

W. MARK FELT, "DEEP THROAT": I really appreciate you coming out like this.

MOOS: Living in Santa Rosa, California, on a street named, get this, Redford Place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need to know what you know.

MOOS: In "All the President's Men" Robert Redford played Bob Woodward meeting Deep Throat in parking garages...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your lives are in danger.

MOOS: But when asked about "Deep Throat," most folks recalled another movie starring Linda Lovelace.

MOOS: When you hear Deep Throat what comes to your mind?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sexual connotation.

MOOS: And Deep Throat the source doesn't cross...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing. Nothing.

MOOS: For most folks, Watergate was water under the bridge.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he turned in information against Clinton?

MOOS: No, against Nixon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, way back when.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is really before my time.

MOOS: As reporters staked out Deep Throat's house, his grandson appeared half-naked at the door and later made a statement, saying the family considered Mark Felt a hero. Felt's daughter had an even deeper code name for Deep Throat. She called him Joe Camel. A rapper who calls himself Majesty never heard of Deep Throat the source, but managed to come up with a rap about him.

MAJESTY, RAPPER: (SINGING) Now, they went to the '70s -- Watergate. They called him Deep Throat. it's like this dude here just came out the closet.

MOOS: Some wish Deep Throat had stayed in the closet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like a great mystery novel of a whodunit and you don't know who did it, and it always leads to great conversation and great chat over a martini.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the wonderful thing about the United States. Nobody can keep a secret.

MOOS: Well, that's three decades. Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that's pretty good.

MOOS: This guy's a pretty good secret-keeper.

After all those years, we finally get to the bottom of Deep Throat.

FELT: Thanks for coming.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, our affiliate New York 1 tracked down the man who played Deep Throat in the movie "All the President's Men." Here's what the actor Hal Holbrook has to say about the revelation of Deep Throat's identity, as well as what motivated Felt to do what he did.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HAL HOLBROOK, ACTOR: He was doing it because there was a higher purpose involved. People should get this in their brain today. The important thing here is not who it was, but why he did it. It's called morality. That's something that's not very popular today.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: All right. Tell it how it is, Hal. Well, this brings us to our e-mail question for the day. We asked you, is Deep Throat a hero or bum? Here's what some of you had to say.

Ellen in Colorado says: "Hero, given that the political establishment of the time was blocking any real investigation. He did what he could in the name of good governance."

Leo says, "Hero. I respect any man that brings down a corrupt government. Nixon was a crook."

John says: "Mark Felt is a hero. If he had gone to the attorney general, the cover-up would have continued."

And Hutch: "Can you imagine all officials acting that way? Felt is a disgrace to his profession."

Mike in New Jersey says: "He's a hero for what he did, but he opened a Pandora's box of irresponsible, scandal-happy journalism and even more manipulative secretive government. But maybe his outing will provide inspiration to the potential whistle-blowers within the Bush administration."

Julia says: "Revenge is sweet, so says Mark Felt. He wanted to be named the head of the FBI upon the death of J. Edgar Hoover, but was instead passed over by President Nixon for the job, so he got his revenge at the expense of several very honorable men who had best interest of this country at heart. The man is not a hero. He's a bum."

Dom says that: "The only bum that came from this story is Nixon. Mr. Felt may not have followed the right steps in order to reveal this crime, but he still did a great honor to the American people in exposing this injustice."

And finally, Jerry says: "Mark Felt is a convicted felon. It's ironic that he was convicted of staging break-ins for the U.S. government. Does that sound familiar? He must have forgotten his heroic deeds during that period of his illustrious service. I only hope that the attorney general is looking into espionage charges against this slimeball. It would be fitting to see him taken away in handcuffs again."

Well, we're going to have more of your e-mails. Stay with us with a little bit more, later on LIVE FROM.

Well, he did what he had to do for his family. Get the true story of the boxing's comeback king. Jim Braddock, the man known as the "Cinderella Man," up next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM "CINDERELLA MAN")

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's two rounds more than I thought he was going to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's a half a step behind you. Do you feel that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). Stick with it! Stick with it!

(END VIDEO CLIP FROM "CINDERELLA MAN")

PHILLIPS: Will "Cinderella Man" punch up a summer box office that, apart from "Star Wars III," hasn't shown much clout? Well, the odds are definitely in this new movie's corner, thanks to the true rags to riches story of boxer Jim Braddock.

The Depression-era tale is recounted in the book "Cinderella Man" and its author Michael DeLisa joins us now live from New York with more. Great to have you, Michael.

MICHAEL DELISA, AUTHOR, "CINDERELLA MAN": Thanks for having me.

PHILLIPS: So here we were in the middle of the Great Depression and then emerged this very unlikely hero.

DELISA: Oh, yes, Jim Braddock was certainly everything that the film makes him out to be. His life absolutely touched a cord with the American public. He became, in a matter of several short weeks, one of the most interested and interesting people in the nation.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about why life was so difficult and how he grew up and why so many people were on his side once the story developed.

DELISA: The thing that's really amazing about Braddock is that his life exactly paralleled the Roaring '20s and crash of the Great Depression. He was a very well-regarded young fighter at the end of the 1920s. When the crash came, he was at his height. He had just fought for the light-heavyweight title. And then suddenly, it was as if the plug was pulled. He began to descend into the abyss that was the Great Depression.

PHILLIPS: What happened? Was it mental, physical, economic, all those factors in one, and he just got the worst break of his life?

DELISA: Well, jokingly, I once said, you know, he suffered through the Great Depression, his own. Really, what it was that, as fights began to dry up and as his income began to dry up, he was a young man with a young family, three children and a wife to support. And compounded with injuries that he received in the ring in some of these brutal battles that Ron Howard portrays in the film and I try and discuss in the book, that he didn't have enough to be successful. PHILLIPS: So then when did the luck of the Irish kick in? At what point did he realize, OK, I've got to go for it. I think I've got another chance. I know I can make a comeback. When was that turning point?

DELISA: Well, that was when the corn turned green. And that was when he fought this young upcoming fighter that the New York press expected was going to be a coming champion, a fellow by the name of Corrin Green (ph).

And Braddock's manager just talked his way into getting Braddock a fight. They put him in the ring as the sacrificial lamb and he knocked out Griffin in the third round and began this incredible comeback. Within a matter of a year, he literally went from the bread lines to the headlines.

PHILLIPS: Incredible. And the reporter Damon Runyon is the one that named him "Cinderella Man." How did that happen?

DELISA: Well, Runyon was a guy who liked to make other cultural references. It was actually a play during the teens that was called "The Cinderella Man." And Runyon always liked that concept of this fairy tale connection with Braddock and his story. And when other people were calling Horatio Alger and fairytale and that kind of thing, he just coined the phrase "Cinderella Man," drawing upon, you know, this history of Broadway.

PHILLIPS: You talked about his wife and his kids. How did his wife take this move he wanted to make? This risk about fighting again? How supportive was she? And how did the kids react? How did they do as a family when he wanted to go for it one more time?

DELISA: Well, the children were fairly young. I don't think they had too much input. In fact, I think that Braddock and his wife protected them, really, from the extreme harshness. But May, she took it sitting down in a sense. She took it sitting down in a chair, holding on to the arms with all her might, listening to the radio.

She supported him, but she was very fearful. And I uncovered a bunch of different interviews with her where she describes in excruciating detail the level of her fear for her husband and their family, if he were to get hurt.

PHILLIPS: Why read your book? Why see the movie? What do you think the underlying message is here that we should all really pay attention to?

DELISA: Well, I think one of the things that resonates with the Braddock story that is viable today, is the sense of sacrifice and survival when the family is under pressure. More than anything, it's a story of a family, and family is an extended family. It includes his colleagues in the industry. It includes his manager. Includes other people in the fight industry, but at its core, it's the Braddock family and what one man had to go through to provide for his family.

PHILLIPS: I can't wait to see the movie. Michael DeLisa, your book is "Cinderella Man." You can always pick up the book. Great pictures in there, too. Michael, thanks for your time today.

DELISA: Thank you so much. Happy 25th.

PHILLIPS: Thank you.

We're going to take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: All right, this is our favorite story of the day. A British couple is celebrating marriage for the record books. Florence and Percy Arrowsmith said their I dos 80 years ago, and their still going strong.

Selma Serraj (ph) of Britain's Independent Television News has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, she's going to be the center of attention.

SELMA SERRAJ (ph), ITV REPORTER (voice-over): 100-year-old Florence Arrowsmith clearly owns the spotlight in her own back garden. But today, she and 105-year-old husband, Percy, have grabbed the attention of the world as they celebrate the longest marriage ever.

FLORENCE ARROWSMITH, MARRIED 80 YEARS: We've been very happy haven't we dear?

PERCY ARROWSMITH, MARRIED 80 YEARS: Yes.

F. ARROWSMITH: If only you'd wake up.

SERRAJ: They were married at St. Peter's Church in Harrorford (ph), 80 years ago, on June 1, 1925. King George VI had not long been married himself. The queen wasn't yet born.

F. ARROWSMITH: I don't think there's any secret about it, is there?

P. ARROWSMITH: What? No, no.

F. ARROWSMITH: What's the secret of our long happy married life?

P. ARROWSMITH: I don't know.

F. ARROWSMITH: We've shared everything, haven't we? We lived through the war. We had a lovely air-raid shelter in the corner there, which we only had to go down once.

SERRAJ: Then a pint of beer cost just pence. Today, they're toasting with champagne. Three children, six grandchildren, nine great-grandchildren and the world's press to entertain, though, can prove too much for even the most experienced hostess. F. ARROWSMITH: Well, I'm a bit tired, to tell the truth. I can be quite pleased to have a quiet day. I hope I will get a quiet day tomorrow.

SERRAJ: Twenty years past their diamond wedding anniversary, Percy and Florence say the key is to never sleep on an argument.

F. ARROWSMITH: Listen, if you go to sleep and I (INAUDIBLE) first photographed with your eyes closed, I can not love you anymore.

SERRAJ: That and a good sense of humor.

Selma Serraj, ITV News.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Eighty years.

And as long as we're on the subject of extended relationships, how can we forget one of our long serving originals, and on our special day no less. Here's a little silver anniversary love for a true CNN one of a kind.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BERNARD SHAW, FMR. CNN ANCHOR: This is Bernard Shaw in our cable news Washington bureau.

AARON BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As an original anchor for CNN, Bernard Shaw was a witness to the birth of this fledgling 24-hour news network.

SHAW: We are told that shots were fired on his party as he left the hotel. Details are very sketchy at this moment.

We were just told by the government of China that the government will pull the plug. I do not think one terrorist bomb will shatter either the faith or the future of the people of Oklahoma.

BROWN: But he may be best known for making television history as one of the boys of Baghdad.

SHAW: The skies over Baghdad have been illuminated.

I always believed that two major forces saved us that night, God and some extremely well trained and well disciplined American pilots.

I am leaving CNN.

In 2001, at the age of 60, Bernard Shaw decided to sign off for the final time and retire. The many historic events he witnessed firsthand during his career would fill a book. And that's what's Bernie Shaw is working on these days. That and a better golf swing.

SHAW: I miss the people, my colleagues. I do not miss being involved 24 hours a day, seven days a week. People don't realize how hard the women and men at CNN work.It takes a lot of people to make a network like that function. But do I miss that? Hell no.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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Aired June 1, 2005 - 13:32   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: A standoff under way right now in Shelbyville, Indiana. We don't want to show you live pictures, because we don't want to give away the positions of the SWAT team now. But we can tell you an armed man involved in a high-speed chase with police officers crashed his car around Interstate 74 there in Shelbyville, Indiana, and then fled on foot to this nearby convenience store, where he has apparently taken two people hostage.
Right now, the SWAT team is there, negotiators are trying to develop communications with this man. There were two people, we were told, that were in this car when it crashed along I-74. One of the men was apprehended. But the other man is holed up inside this Bigfoot convenience store. Pictures courtesy of our affiliate WTHR. It's happening out of Shelbyville, Indiana. We don't immediately know why police were chasing the men in the car in the first place, why the pursuit began. It might have been involved -- because, it might have been a stolen-car scenario from Ohio.

Anyway, we'll following this hostage situation, this convenience store. We'll bring you more information as soon as we get it.

One is a doctor, the other a noted jazz musician. They're U.S. citizens, arrested and charged with conspiring to help Al Qaeda. Their friends question the government's case and wonder if the men aren't being scapegoated because they're Muslim.

Here's CNN's Adaora Udoji.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tarik Shah a music man, seen here jamming on a base in a New York City club. Friends say he's magical.

NELLIE DYER, FRIEND OF SUSPECT: He's a peace-loving, masterful bassist. He is internationally renowned. He's respected in the jazz community.

UDOJI: But federal prosecutors say Shah plotted to help terrorists, that he pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda, unknowingly to an undercover FBI agent and a confidential informant, that he promised to use his martial arts expertise to teach militants hand-to-hand combat, even scouted warehouses.

Shah was in court, but made no formal plea. Outside, his wife, among friends, stood by his lawyer who denied the charge.

ERICA MCDANIEL, EDWARDS'S SHAH'S ATTY.: He wouldn't be the victim of a sting operation unless he was a Muslim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he wasn't -- exactly.

UDOJI: Prosecutors also allege Shah brought in his friend of 20 years, Dr. Rafiq Sabir, a father of four. An Ivy League medical school graduate, now an emergency specialist in Boca Raton, Florida. His alleged contribution, to help stitch up militants fighting the holy war. They say hours of tape recordings prove it. Sabir was also in court, but his hearing was delayed so he could hire an attorney. Sabir's friends don't believe the accusations.

DANIEL MCBRIDE, ISLAMIC CTR. OF BOCA RATON: He's just a real nice guy. He's a physician, because that's what he wants to do, is help people.

UDOJI: Dr. Farouq Khan, a lung specialist who knew Sabir in Long Island in the late 1990s says the man cared deeply about health care for all.

DR. FAROUQ KHAN, STATE UNIV. OF N.Y.: He was hard working, he would put in his hours, and he was very committed to justice.

UDOJI: Shah and Sabir's supporters question the validity of the case, asking how a two-year investigation led to only a single charge. They want justice, but they worry sometimes Muslims are scapegoated.

KHAN: There have been these high profile cases put forth, and then when they hit the judicial system, they fizzle out. I know many families which have been destroyed because of allegations made.

UDOJI: The court case has just begun against the musician and the doctor. Both are being held without bail.

Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Up next, we're going to read your e-mails about Watergate's Deep Throat, Mark Felt. And later, travel back in time with us, back before there was a Russell Crowe, back before there was Renee Zellweger, before there was a movie called "Cinderella Man," there was a legendary boxer, Jim Braddock, the man behind the movie. Get the true story of Braddock's inspiring comeback, next on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Putting a face on Deep Throat ends one of the most closely guarded secrets in American political history. But 33 years is a long time, even by Washington standards, and some were holding out for sexier snitch.

Here's CNN's Jeanne Moos.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a day when "Deep Throat" was on everybody's lips.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The identity of Deep Throat.

BILL SCHNEIDER: Deep Throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deep Throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deep Throat was the ultimate anonymous source.

MOOS: To a symphony of clicking cameras, W. Mark Felt revealed himself. "I'm the Guy They Called Deep Throat," blared "Vanity Fair."

His name is Mark Felt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never heard of him.

MOOS: And his name is Mark Felt.

Confronted with Deep Throat's face, she made a face. Even some of the media needed a reminder.

MOOS: Look, I have a cheat sheet. Mark Felt.

Sure, there were more famous candidates for Deep Throat from Al Hague to Henry Kissinger to Diane Sawyer, a former Nixon press aide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I wish it had been Diane Sawyer.

MOOS: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I don't know. Because, wouldn't it have been wonderful? Because she is so sexy!

MOOS: Instead, it was a 91-year-old former FBI honcho.

W. MARK FELT, "DEEP THROAT": I really appreciate you coming out like this.

MOOS: Living in Santa Rosa, California, on a street named, get this, Redford Place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need to know what you know.

MOOS: In "All the President's Men" Robert Redford played Bob Woodward meeting Deep Throat in parking garages...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your lives are in danger.

MOOS: But when asked about "Deep Throat," most folks recalled another movie starring Linda Lovelace.

MOOS: When you hear Deep Throat what comes to your mind?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sexual connotation.

MOOS: And Deep Throat the source doesn't cross...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing. Nothing.

MOOS: For most folks, Watergate was water under the bridge.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he turned in information against Clinton?

MOOS: No, against Nixon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, way back when.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is really before my time.

MOOS: As reporters staked out Deep Throat's house, his grandson appeared half-naked at the door and later made a statement, saying the family considered Mark Felt a hero. Felt's daughter had an even deeper code name for Deep Throat. She called him Joe Camel. A rapper who calls himself Majesty never heard of Deep Throat the source, but managed to come up with a rap about him.

MAJESTY, RAPPER: (SINGING) Now, they went to the '70s -- Watergate. They called him Deep Throat. it's like this dude here just came out the closet.

MOOS: Some wish Deep Throat had stayed in the closet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like a great mystery novel of a whodunit and you don't know who did it, and it always leads to great conversation and great chat over a martini.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the wonderful thing about the United States. Nobody can keep a secret.

MOOS: Well, that's three decades. Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that's pretty good.

MOOS: This guy's a pretty good secret-keeper.

After all those years, we finally get to the bottom of Deep Throat.

FELT: Thanks for coming.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, our affiliate New York 1 tracked down the man who played Deep Throat in the movie "All the President's Men." Here's what the actor Hal Holbrook has to say about the revelation of Deep Throat's identity, as well as what motivated Felt to do what he did.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HAL HOLBROOK, ACTOR: He was doing it because there was a higher purpose involved. People should get this in their brain today. The important thing here is not who it was, but why he did it. It's called morality. That's something that's not very popular today.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: All right. Tell it how it is, Hal. Well, this brings us to our e-mail question for the day. We asked you, is Deep Throat a hero or bum? Here's what some of you had to say.

Ellen in Colorado says: "Hero, given that the political establishment of the time was blocking any real investigation. He did what he could in the name of good governance."

Leo says, "Hero. I respect any man that brings down a corrupt government. Nixon was a crook."

John says: "Mark Felt is a hero. If he had gone to the attorney general, the cover-up would have continued."

And Hutch: "Can you imagine all officials acting that way? Felt is a disgrace to his profession."

Mike in New Jersey says: "He's a hero for what he did, but he opened a Pandora's box of irresponsible, scandal-happy journalism and even more manipulative secretive government. But maybe his outing will provide inspiration to the potential whistle-blowers within the Bush administration."

Julia says: "Revenge is sweet, so says Mark Felt. He wanted to be named the head of the FBI upon the death of J. Edgar Hoover, but was instead passed over by President Nixon for the job, so he got his revenge at the expense of several very honorable men who had best interest of this country at heart. The man is not a hero. He's a bum."

Dom says that: "The only bum that came from this story is Nixon. Mr. Felt may not have followed the right steps in order to reveal this crime, but he still did a great honor to the American people in exposing this injustice."

And finally, Jerry says: "Mark Felt is a convicted felon. It's ironic that he was convicted of staging break-ins for the U.S. government. Does that sound familiar? He must have forgotten his heroic deeds during that period of his illustrious service. I only hope that the attorney general is looking into espionage charges against this slimeball. It would be fitting to see him taken away in handcuffs again."

Well, we're going to have more of your e-mails. Stay with us with a little bit more, later on LIVE FROM.

Well, he did what he had to do for his family. Get the true story of the boxing's comeback king. Jim Braddock, the man known as the "Cinderella Man," up next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM "CINDERELLA MAN")

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's two rounds more than I thought he was going to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's a half a step behind you. Do you feel that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). Stick with it! Stick with it!

(END VIDEO CLIP FROM "CINDERELLA MAN")

PHILLIPS: Will "Cinderella Man" punch up a summer box office that, apart from "Star Wars III," hasn't shown much clout? Well, the odds are definitely in this new movie's corner, thanks to the true rags to riches story of boxer Jim Braddock.

The Depression-era tale is recounted in the book "Cinderella Man" and its author Michael DeLisa joins us now live from New York with more. Great to have you, Michael.

MICHAEL DELISA, AUTHOR, "CINDERELLA MAN": Thanks for having me.

PHILLIPS: So here we were in the middle of the Great Depression and then emerged this very unlikely hero.

DELISA: Oh, yes, Jim Braddock was certainly everything that the film makes him out to be. His life absolutely touched a cord with the American public. He became, in a matter of several short weeks, one of the most interested and interesting people in the nation.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about why life was so difficult and how he grew up and why so many people were on his side once the story developed.

DELISA: The thing that's really amazing about Braddock is that his life exactly paralleled the Roaring '20s and crash of the Great Depression. He was a very well-regarded young fighter at the end of the 1920s. When the crash came, he was at his height. He had just fought for the light-heavyweight title. And then suddenly, it was as if the plug was pulled. He began to descend into the abyss that was the Great Depression.

PHILLIPS: What happened? Was it mental, physical, economic, all those factors in one, and he just got the worst break of his life?

DELISA: Well, jokingly, I once said, you know, he suffered through the Great Depression, his own. Really, what it was that, as fights began to dry up and as his income began to dry up, he was a young man with a young family, three children and a wife to support. And compounded with injuries that he received in the ring in some of these brutal battles that Ron Howard portrays in the film and I try and discuss in the book, that he didn't have enough to be successful. PHILLIPS: So then when did the luck of the Irish kick in? At what point did he realize, OK, I've got to go for it. I think I've got another chance. I know I can make a comeback. When was that turning point?

DELISA: Well, that was when the corn turned green. And that was when he fought this young upcoming fighter that the New York press expected was going to be a coming champion, a fellow by the name of Corrin Green (ph).

And Braddock's manager just talked his way into getting Braddock a fight. They put him in the ring as the sacrificial lamb and he knocked out Griffin in the third round and began this incredible comeback. Within a matter of a year, he literally went from the bread lines to the headlines.

PHILLIPS: Incredible. And the reporter Damon Runyon is the one that named him "Cinderella Man." How did that happen?

DELISA: Well, Runyon was a guy who liked to make other cultural references. It was actually a play during the teens that was called "The Cinderella Man." And Runyon always liked that concept of this fairy tale connection with Braddock and his story. And when other people were calling Horatio Alger and fairytale and that kind of thing, he just coined the phrase "Cinderella Man," drawing upon, you know, this history of Broadway.

PHILLIPS: You talked about his wife and his kids. How did his wife take this move he wanted to make? This risk about fighting again? How supportive was she? And how did the kids react? How did they do as a family when he wanted to go for it one more time?

DELISA: Well, the children were fairly young. I don't think they had too much input. In fact, I think that Braddock and his wife protected them, really, from the extreme harshness. But May, she took it sitting down in a sense. She took it sitting down in a chair, holding on to the arms with all her might, listening to the radio.

She supported him, but she was very fearful. And I uncovered a bunch of different interviews with her where she describes in excruciating detail the level of her fear for her husband and their family, if he were to get hurt.

PHILLIPS: Why read your book? Why see the movie? What do you think the underlying message is here that we should all really pay attention to?

DELISA: Well, I think one of the things that resonates with the Braddock story that is viable today, is the sense of sacrifice and survival when the family is under pressure. More than anything, it's a story of a family, and family is an extended family. It includes his colleagues in the industry. It includes his manager. Includes other people in the fight industry, but at its core, it's the Braddock family and what one man had to go through to provide for his family.

PHILLIPS: I can't wait to see the movie. Michael DeLisa, your book is "Cinderella Man." You can always pick up the book. Great pictures in there, too. Michael, thanks for your time today.

DELISA: Thank you so much. Happy 25th.

PHILLIPS: Thank you.

We're going to take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.

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PHILLIPS: All right, this is our favorite story of the day. A British couple is celebrating marriage for the record books. Florence and Percy Arrowsmith said their I dos 80 years ago, and their still going strong.

Selma Serraj (ph) of Britain's Independent Television News has the story.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, she's going to be the center of attention.

SELMA SERRAJ (ph), ITV REPORTER (voice-over): 100-year-old Florence Arrowsmith clearly owns the spotlight in her own back garden. But today, she and 105-year-old husband, Percy, have grabbed the attention of the world as they celebrate the longest marriage ever.

FLORENCE ARROWSMITH, MARRIED 80 YEARS: We've been very happy haven't we dear?

PERCY ARROWSMITH, MARRIED 80 YEARS: Yes.

F. ARROWSMITH: If only you'd wake up.

SERRAJ: They were married at St. Peter's Church in Harrorford (ph), 80 years ago, on June 1, 1925. King George VI had not long been married himself. The queen wasn't yet born.

F. ARROWSMITH: I don't think there's any secret about it, is there?

P. ARROWSMITH: What? No, no.

F. ARROWSMITH: What's the secret of our long happy married life?

P. ARROWSMITH: I don't know.

F. ARROWSMITH: We've shared everything, haven't we? We lived through the war. We had a lovely air-raid shelter in the corner there, which we only had to go down once.

SERRAJ: Then a pint of beer cost just pence. Today, they're toasting with champagne. Three children, six grandchildren, nine great-grandchildren and the world's press to entertain, though, can prove too much for even the most experienced hostess. F. ARROWSMITH: Well, I'm a bit tired, to tell the truth. I can be quite pleased to have a quiet day. I hope I will get a quiet day tomorrow.

SERRAJ: Twenty years past their diamond wedding anniversary, Percy and Florence say the key is to never sleep on an argument.

F. ARROWSMITH: Listen, if you go to sleep and I (INAUDIBLE) first photographed with your eyes closed, I can not love you anymore.

SERRAJ: That and a good sense of humor.

Selma Serraj, ITV News.

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PHILLIPS: Eighty years.

And as long as we're on the subject of extended relationships, how can we forget one of our long serving originals, and on our special day no less. Here's a little silver anniversary love for a true CNN one of a kind.

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BERNARD SHAW, FMR. CNN ANCHOR: This is Bernard Shaw in our cable news Washington bureau.

AARON BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As an original anchor for CNN, Bernard Shaw was a witness to the birth of this fledgling 24-hour news network.

SHAW: We are told that shots were fired on his party as he left the hotel. Details are very sketchy at this moment.

We were just told by the government of China that the government will pull the plug. I do not think one terrorist bomb will shatter either the faith or the future of the people of Oklahoma.

BROWN: But he may be best known for making television history as one of the boys of Baghdad.

SHAW: The skies over Baghdad have been illuminated.

I always believed that two major forces saved us that night, God and some extremely well trained and well disciplined American pilots.

I am leaving CNN.

In 2001, at the age of 60, Bernard Shaw decided to sign off for the final time and retire. The many historic events he witnessed firsthand during his career would fill a book. And that's what's Bernie Shaw is working on these days. That and a better golf swing.

SHAW: I miss the people, my colleagues. I do not miss being involved 24 hours a day, seven days a week. People don't realize how hard the women and men at CNN work.It takes a lot of people to make a network like that function. But do I miss that? Hell no.

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