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Michael Jackson Defense Delivers Closing Argument; State Department Criticizes Countries for Human Trafficking; Newly Released Video Shows Serb Massacre on Muslims

Aired June 03, 2005 - 13:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: Jackson case going to the jury. Twelve men and women -- women, rather, set to decide whether the King of Pop is innocent or guilty.
TONY HARRIS, CO-HOST: An international flight puts out a hijack alarm. Fighter jets sent up to escort it, but officials call it a false alarm.

PHILLIPS: Wartime brutality: images of an atrocity caught on videotape. Who will pay for this one? One of the most notorious massacres in modern times.

HARRIS: And genocide through a child's eyes. Children caught in conflicts share their heart breaking views of what is happening to their homeland.

From the CNN center in Atlanta, I'm Tony Harris, in for Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

Well, the end is finally near. After four months, 141 witnesses and who knows how many moments of shock, suspense and sheer spectacle, the Michael Jackson trial is moving from the courtroom to the jury room. Deliberations are expected to start this afternoon after the lawyers wrap their closing arguments.

CNN's Ted Rowlands sets the scene from there.

Hi, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kyra.

Thomas Mesereau, Michael Jackson's attorney, is delivering the end of his closing arguments. He started yesterday and has gone just over an hour here today. We expect him to finish within the next few minutes, presumably within the next 45 minutes because that's all the time he's been allotted.

And then Ron Zonen, the prosecutor, will have the last word before this jury gets the case.

Michael Jackson showed up today with family members here in support. Janet, Latoya, Jermaine, Randy and Tito, all with Michael as he -- Michael Jackson as he exited his characteristic black SUV, his mother and father also with him.

There have been some health concerns concerning Jackson. He apparently visited a hospital last night, that according to a local hospital near Neverland Ranch. It was a short visit. And he was here this morning. So whatever was ailing him, it must not have been that serious.

So far, Thomas Mesereau has called the accuser and the accuser's family in this case con artists, actors and liars in a very passionate finish to his closing argument.

He talked about the accuser, pointing out specific points of his testimony, which appears to be inconsistent with other statements, saying he flip flops all over the place because he is a liar. He said you must throw this case where it belongs, out the door.

Ron Zonen will have the last word, the prosecutor who yesterday said that Michael Jackson used Neverland to groom his little -- his boy victims. He said that he taught them about sex and was more than willing to do so.

The jury is expected to get this case early this afternoon. They'll deliberate for a few hours today. It is very unlikely that they could reach a verdict. There are 10 counts against Jackson. Most likely they will elect a foreperson and then take the weekend off and begin their deliberations again Monday morning -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right. You say highly unlikely. But Ted, let's go back to the Scott Peterson trial. You were working. I was working, and we were shocked that a decision or a verdict came forward so quickly. Do you think we could be surprised today?

ROWLANDS: O.J. Simpson.

PHILLIPS: Right, exactly.

ROWLANDS: Sure. You know, yes, the O.J. Simpson case is a perfect example.

The only conceivable way that they could come to a verdict in such short order is if somebody walks into the jury room and says, "Does everybody here believe X?" And everybody says, "Yes. We do believe that. And let's not make a charade out of this and let's just do the verdict."

The judge is going to tell them not do that. So the judge will say to go through the evidence and ponder all of these counts. Figure out your system of deliberation and then get into it. So, I think the likelihood is slim, because they really only have about two hours of time today to start their process.

PHILLIPS: All right. Let's hope we're enjoying our weekend in just a couple of hours. Ted Rowlands, live from Santa Maria, California. Thanks, Ted.

Well, whether he does go to prison or walks, Jackson has long since vacated the stratospheric heights of super -- super stardom, rather, and that will be the subject of an in depth report tonight on "PAULA ZAHN NOW," 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 Pacific, right here on CNN.

HARRIS: A tragic end to an apparent joyride in Tucson. A 14- year-old boy who allegedly led police on a 15-mile chase in a stolen earth mover is critically wounded today, having been shot when he allegedly turned on his pursuers.

The assistant chief tells CNN police had to assume the teen was planning to barrel right over the patrol cars with police inside.

Have you seen this man? He was caught on surveillance tape in Hollywood apparently committing a kidnapping. The tape was shot eight days ago outside of an apartment complex. But no one looked at it for three days after that. Detectives have since found witnesses but not the alleged attacker nor the apparent victim.

Police in Richmond, on the other hand, may have solved three homicides committed in a 15-minute period on Wednesday. Last night, they arrested a man suspected of robbing and shooting two shopkeepers and another man against whom he'd supposedly held grudges for more than a year.

PHILLIPS: All's well in Halifax. According to Canadian officials, U.S. officials and Virgin Atlantic officials, whose Airbus -- Airbus, rather, bound for JFK was diverted when it somehow signaled a hijack in progress. All say it was a false alarm, but it still prompted two Canadian fighter jets to scramble and a SWAT team to rush on board after landing. The RCMP is on the case, too.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CONSTABLE JOE TAPLIN, RCMP: It was an emergency call that came in from the airplane, the Virgin Airlines and the information that the plane was being diverted to Halifax, and we were notified at that time. The emergency situation had come in. It was two F-18s escorted the plane in and once the plane had landed safely, they went back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Virgin Flight 45 was en route from London to New York with almost 300 people on board. The airline says it will continue on to Kennedy as soon as possible.

HARRIS: The State Department calls it slavery. Hundreds of thousands of people dragged across international borders every year against their will or under inhuman duress. The technical term is trafficking, human trafficking, and some vital U.S. allies are being singled out for not cracking down.

CNN State Department correspondent Andrea Koppel has that story -- Andrea.

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tony, the newsy headlines out of this State Department report in trafficking -- it's the fifth one, by the way -- is the fact that there are 14 new -- 14 countries, eight of them new, that have been put on, basically, a U.S. blacklist.

Many of these countries are U.S. allies. We're talking about Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Bolivia, to name a few. They have 90 days to improve their record in trafficking in their own countries or they could get cut off from U.S. aid and there are other penalties that they would face.

But really, what this report is about, you're talking about up to 800,000 men, women and children, most of them women and children who are trafficked across the international borders every single year. Fourteen thousand five hundred to 17,500 right here into the United States.

The ambassador for -- for trafficking, John Miller, was talking to reporters after Secretary of State Rice, and he said, "You know, this is the time of year that we roll out this report with facts, figures and categories, but more than anything else, this is a report about living, breathing human beings."

And he told one story about a woman named Svetlana who lived in Belarus. She ran into some Turkish men who, as is often the case with trafficking stories, promised her the world, told her they had a job for her in Istanbul. Here's the rest of the story.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN MILLER, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: And once Svetlana crossed the border, the men seized her money, her papers, her passport. They locked her up. They forced her into prostitution.

And then, one night, they farmed her out to two business men, just like a commodity. Desperate, Svetlana jumped out of a window and fell six stories to a sidewalk. According to Turkish court documents, the so-called customers went down, found her on the sidewalk and, instead of calling the police, called the traffickers, who killed her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOPPEL: Now, what happened after that is that Svetlana's body lay in a morgue for two weeks. It was unclaimed before somebody realized that she actually belonged back in Belarus. Her body was sent back there.

What Ambassador Miller went on to say is that this story in particular has a bright spot, because Belarusian and Turkish authorities later went on to actually arrest and convict those responsible for Svetlana's death.

And Tony, that is what this report is all about. It's about holding countries accountable, giving them incentives to improve what's happening in their own countries -- Tony.

HARRIS: Naming names. Naming countries that aren't doing enough to clean up this problem. That's what this report is about?

KOPPEL: It's about naming the names of countries that aren't doing enough, and it's also about pointing out the countries that have improved their record...

HARRIS: I see.

KOPPEL: ... to say, hey, these guys are, you know, have listened. And they're actually improving lives for women and children and some men in their own country.

HARRIS: And we love the approach of telling the stories through real people. We love that. Andrea, we appreciate it. Thank you -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Straight ahead, a massacre caught on tape. Newly released video being used to make those responsible pay for what they did. We've got details just ahead.

Also, children caught in conflict show the world what is happening to their friends, family, and homes through art work.

And later homes in California go sliding away and get this, the insurance companies might not even pay for the damage. We're live from Laguna Beach.

ANNOUNCER: You're watching LIVE FROM on CNN, the most trusted name in news.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: It stands as one of the most appalling single examples of wartime brutality of the modern age. Nineteen ninety-five, in northeastern Bosnia, 7,000 to 8,000 Muslim men and boys, unarmed, displaced refugees, were executed by Serbian forces over several days.

Unknown until now, a video camera was rolling on at least some of those killings.

ITV's Ronna Wiest (ph) has the awful images and the shock waves emerging again from Srebrenica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RONNA WIEST (PH), ITV CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a massacre that the U.N. failed to prevent, the worst atrocity of the Bosnian War, but until now, no footage of Srebrenica had ever seen the light of day.

The video shows young men handcuffed and bloodied in the hands of a notorious Serb paramilitary unit. The Serbs shout insults, and it seems the Muslims are about to be shot. Instead, as the soldiers laugh and pose, a shot is fired over their victims' heads. Psychological torture and, as it turns out, only a brief reprieve, as the men are led away to a clearing where they have to stand in a line and step forward to be gunned down one by one.

We won't show the moment the men are killed, but each was made to watch as his friends were shot, six out of the 7,000 who were murdered by the Serbs at Srebrenica. Afterwards, two of the men are made to carry the bodies of their dead comrades before they, too, are brutally tortured and shot.

The footage was filmed by one of the paramilitaries. Today eight of those who appear in this film were arrested in Belgrade. The video was shown as evidence in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. A recent poll showed that half the Serbian population still don't believe there was any massacre at Srebrenica. They might have to change their minds now.

Ronna Wiest (ph), ITV News.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Besides the Balkan civil war, the generation has borne witness to several incidents of such large scale ethnic killing: Kurds gassed in Iraq, Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda and the most recent, western Sudan. More than two million refugees live there, hand to mouth, having fled the mass killing and rape of non-Arab people by groups loyal to that government.

A staggering numbers of those refugees are children whose faces will likely never be seen and whose stories will likely never be told. But one group is working to remedy that, Human Rights Watch. It's illustrating the Darfur tragedy with the help of those trapped there.

Jemera Rone of the Human Rights Watch joins us now live to talk about a new exhibit. Jemera, it's great to have you with us.

JEMERA RONE, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: Well, you have been there first -- and seen the atrocities firsthand. What is the most -- what sticks out the most in your mind? I'm assuming it is most likely the children.

RONE: The children do stick out in your mind. The ones that survive especially, because although there are several tens and hundreds of thousands of dead, there are also a much larger number of people who are still alive and suffering very greatly and, in fact, are in danger of dying from disease and other problems in very crowded displaced persons' camps, two million of them, the majority of whom are children.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's set the scene now of where you are and the exhibit that is taking place and how this project got going.

RONE: We have some researchers that went into the refuge camps in Chad, where over 200,000 Darfurians are refugees now. They gave these pieces of paper to children to keep them busy while they interviewed the adults. They didn't tell them what to draw or anything.

Spontaneously, the children started drawing the heart wrenching scenes of their villages being attacked, people they know being killed, people being mutilated, bombs falling on their houses. And so forth. So we saw from their eyes the terrible scenes of war that they were forced to witness that they -- that they survived but whose scars they still carry with them.

PHILLIPS: Now Jemera, just to put these pictures in perspective here and give a little more detail, we're talking about kids from 7 to 13.

One that particularly struck me is this one by Allah (ph), and of course, this is not his real name. But he's 13 years old, and it shows the execution by gunshots to the groin. Here's a 13-year-old boy actually talking about this, what he's witnessed, what he's seen. It's absolutely unbelievable how detailed this is.

RONE: Right. Unfortunately, this is -- this is what the images that keep coming back to these children are. And this is what they're seeing even in their sleep.

What these drawings represent, though, is also an effort by the children to reach out to children in other countries. Specifically, children that are in a position to do something, to campaign and to help them.

They are showing these things to children who haven't had to witness these things in the hopes that they will do something and try to move their governments to help.

And fortunately, there are a number of children's groups and schools and colleges and others that have taken this very much to heart and are starting to petition the government, petition their institutions to divest from companies that do business in Sudan and to take all kinds of other actions.

PHILLIPS: This other picture by Abdul Rahman (ph), age 13, once again -- or I'm sorry. This one's by Mahmoud (ph), age 13. And he talks about the men taking the women and girls, saying that the -- that soldiers forced them to be wife. In other words, they're witnessing rape firsthand, aren't they?

RONE: Yes. That's right. They don't speak of it directly. But that's what they are being forced to see, even at such an early age.

The women also come back, the girls come back crying and won't talk to anyone, and they're very, very ashamed. This thing has had a terrible, devastating affect on families. You can only imagine how they feel helpless to stop these horrendous crimes being committed against their sisters and their mothers.

PHILLIPS: Jemera, have you seen anything happen, anything take place as these pictures have come out that will help the future of these children? Is there any sort of, I don't know, peaceful art solution to where these kids could somehow be given an opportunity to help remedy the situation through their artwork?

RONE: Well, they've done what they can. They have -- they have tried to send a message to the outside world in the way that they best know how to convey it. Their words are never quite adequate, but the pictures speak much louder than any words can. They're crying for help, and it's up to us to do something to get more protective African Union troops into Darfur, to stop this kind of abuse and to make it possible for them to return to a normal life.

They had homes. They had toys. They had furniture. They had roofs over their heads. They have none of that now. They've been absolutely stripped of everything, impoverished, and they're clustered in huge numbers in very, very bad conditions.

They need to go home and resume their life. They will never be able to do this unless there are adequate troops on the ground in Darfur who can assure their safety.

The Sudanese government has done nothing to stop this. It's now something that we don't expect them to do anything about. We need international forces to take care of this, unfortunately.

And that is what we have to keep asking our leaders to do, to take their predicament seriously and to send adequate African Union peacekeeping and peace establishing forces to work in Darfur.

PHILLIPS: Jemera Rone, we encourage our viewers, of course, to log on to the Human Rights Watch web site, learn more about what you're doing and of course, to visit the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., and see these pictures. Jemera, thank you so much.

RONE: Thank you.

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Aired June 3, 2005 - 13:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: Jackson case going to the jury. Twelve men and women -- women, rather, set to decide whether the King of Pop is innocent or guilty.
TONY HARRIS, CO-HOST: An international flight puts out a hijack alarm. Fighter jets sent up to escort it, but officials call it a false alarm.

PHILLIPS: Wartime brutality: images of an atrocity caught on videotape. Who will pay for this one? One of the most notorious massacres in modern times.

HARRIS: And genocide through a child's eyes. Children caught in conflicts share their heart breaking views of what is happening to their homeland.

From the CNN center in Atlanta, I'm Tony Harris, in for Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

Well, the end is finally near. After four months, 141 witnesses and who knows how many moments of shock, suspense and sheer spectacle, the Michael Jackson trial is moving from the courtroom to the jury room. Deliberations are expected to start this afternoon after the lawyers wrap their closing arguments.

CNN's Ted Rowlands sets the scene from there.

Hi, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kyra.

Thomas Mesereau, Michael Jackson's attorney, is delivering the end of his closing arguments. He started yesterday and has gone just over an hour here today. We expect him to finish within the next few minutes, presumably within the next 45 minutes because that's all the time he's been allotted.

And then Ron Zonen, the prosecutor, will have the last word before this jury gets the case.

Michael Jackson showed up today with family members here in support. Janet, Latoya, Jermaine, Randy and Tito, all with Michael as he -- Michael Jackson as he exited his characteristic black SUV, his mother and father also with him.

There have been some health concerns concerning Jackson. He apparently visited a hospital last night, that according to a local hospital near Neverland Ranch. It was a short visit. And he was here this morning. So whatever was ailing him, it must not have been that serious.

So far, Thomas Mesereau has called the accuser and the accuser's family in this case con artists, actors and liars in a very passionate finish to his closing argument.

He talked about the accuser, pointing out specific points of his testimony, which appears to be inconsistent with other statements, saying he flip flops all over the place because he is a liar. He said you must throw this case where it belongs, out the door.

Ron Zonen will have the last word, the prosecutor who yesterday said that Michael Jackson used Neverland to groom his little -- his boy victims. He said that he taught them about sex and was more than willing to do so.

The jury is expected to get this case early this afternoon. They'll deliberate for a few hours today. It is very unlikely that they could reach a verdict. There are 10 counts against Jackson. Most likely they will elect a foreperson and then take the weekend off and begin their deliberations again Monday morning -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right. You say highly unlikely. But Ted, let's go back to the Scott Peterson trial. You were working. I was working, and we were shocked that a decision or a verdict came forward so quickly. Do you think we could be surprised today?

ROWLANDS: O.J. Simpson.

PHILLIPS: Right, exactly.

ROWLANDS: Sure. You know, yes, the O.J. Simpson case is a perfect example.

The only conceivable way that they could come to a verdict in such short order is if somebody walks into the jury room and says, "Does everybody here believe X?" And everybody says, "Yes. We do believe that. And let's not make a charade out of this and let's just do the verdict."

The judge is going to tell them not do that. So the judge will say to go through the evidence and ponder all of these counts. Figure out your system of deliberation and then get into it. So, I think the likelihood is slim, because they really only have about two hours of time today to start their process.

PHILLIPS: All right. Let's hope we're enjoying our weekend in just a couple of hours. Ted Rowlands, live from Santa Maria, California. Thanks, Ted.

Well, whether he does go to prison or walks, Jackson has long since vacated the stratospheric heights of super -- super stardom, rather, and that will be the subject of an in depth report tonight on "PAULA ZAHN NOW," 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 Pacific, right here on CNN.

HARRIS: A tragic end to an apparent joyride in Tucson. A 14- year-old boy who allegedly led police on a 15-mile chase in a stolen earth mover is critically wounded today, having been shot when he allegedly turned on his pursuers.

The assistant chief tells CNN police had to assume the teen was planning to barrel right over the patrol cars with police inside.

Have you seen this man? He was caught on surveillance tape in Hollywood apparently committing a kidnapping. The tape was shot eight days ago outside of an apartment complex. But no one looked at it for three days after that. Detectives have since found witnesses but not the alleged attacker nor the apparent victim.

Police in Richmond, on the other hand, may have solved three homicides committed in a 15-minute period on Wednesday. Last night, they arrested a man suspected of robbing and shooting two shopkeepers and another man against whom he'd supposedly held grudges for more than a year.

PHILLIPS: All's well in Halifax. According to Canadian officials, U.S. officials and Virgin Atlantic officials, whose Airbus -- Airbus, rather, bound for JFK was diverted when it somehow signaled a hijack in progress. All say it was a false alarm, but it still prompted two Canadian fighter jets to scramble and a SWAT team to rush on board after landing. The RCMP is on the case, too.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CONSTABLE JOE TAPLIN, RCMP: It was an emergency call that came in from the airplane, the Virgin Airlines and the information that the plane was being diverted to Halifax, and we were notified at that time. The emergency situation had come in. It was two F-18s escorted the plane in and once the plane had landed safely, they went back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Virgin Flight 45 was en route from London to New York with almost 300 people on board. The airline says it will continue on to Kennedy as soon as possible.

HARRIS: The State Department calls it slavery. Hundreds of thousands of people dragged across international borders every year against their will or under inhuman duress. The technical term is trafficking, human trafficking, and some vital U.S. allies are being singled out for not cracking down.

CNN State Department correspondent Andrea Koppel has that story -- Andrea.

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tony, the newsy headlines out of this State Department report in trafficking -- it's the fifth one, by the way -- is the fact that there are 14 new -- 14 countries, eight of them new, that have been put on, basically, a U.S. blacklist.

Many of these countries are U.S. allies. We're talking about Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Bolivia, to name a few. They have 90 days to improve their record in trafficking in their own countries or they could get cut off from U.S. aid and there are other penalties that they would face.

But really, what this report is about, you're talking about up to 800,000 men, women and children, most of them women and children who are trafficked across the international borders every single year. Fourteen thousand five hundred to 17,500 right here into the United States.

The ambassador for -- for trafficking, John Miller, was talking to reporters after Secretary of State Rice, and he said, "You know, this is the time of year that we roll out this report with facts, figures and categories, but more than anything else, this is a report about living, breathing human beings."

And he told one story about a woman named Svetlana who lived in Belarus. She ran into some Turkish men who, as is often the case with trafficking stories, promised her the world, told her they had a job for her in Istanbul. Here's the rest of the story.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN MILLER, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: And once Svetlana crossed the border, the men seized her money, her papers, her passport. They locked her up. They forced her into prostitution.

And then, one night, they farmed her out to two business men, just like a commodity. Desperate, Svetlana jumped out of a window and fell six stories to a sidewalk. According to Turkish court documents, the so-called customers went down, found her on the sidewalk and, instead of calling the police, called the traffickers, who killed her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOPPEL: Now, what happened after that is that Svetlana's body lay in a morgue for two weeks. It was unclaimed before somebody realized that she actually belonged back in Belarus. Her body was sent back there.

What Ambassador Miller went on to say is that this story in particular has a bright spot, because Belarusian and Turkish authorities later went on to actually arrest and convict those responsible for Svetlana's death.

And Tony, that is what this report is all about. It's about holding countries accountable, giving them incentives to improve what's happening in their own countries -- Tony.

HARRIS: Naming names. Naming countries that aren't doing enough to clean up this problem. That's what this report is about?

KOPPEL: It's about naming the names of countries that aren't doing enough, and it's also about pointing out the countries that have improved their record...

HARRIS: I see.

KOPPEL: ... to say, hey, these guys are, you know, have listened. And they're actually improving lives for women and children and some men in their own country.

HARRIS: And we love the approach of telling the stories through real people. We love that. Andrea, we appreciate it. Thank you -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Straight ahead, a massacre caught on tape. Newly released video being used to make those responsible pay for what they did. We've got details just ahead.

Also, children caught in conflict show the world what is happening to their friends, family, and homes through art work.

And later homes in California go sliding away and get this, the insurance companies might not even pay for the damage. We're live from Laguna Beach.

ANNOUNCER: You're watching LIVE FROM on CNN, the most trusted name in news.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: It stands as one of the most appalling single examples of wartime brutality of the modern age. Nineteen ninety-five, in northeastern Bosnia, 7,000 to 8,000 Muslim men and boys, unarmed, displaced refugees, were executed by Serbian forces over several days.

Unknown until now, a video camera was rolling on at least some of those killings.

ITV's Ronna Wiest (ph) has the awful images and the shock waves emerging again from Srebrenica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RONNA WIEST (PH), ITV CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a massacre that the U.N. failed to prevent, the worst atrocity of the Bosnian War, but until now, no footage of Srebrenica had ever seen the light of day.

The video shows young men handcuffed and bloodied in the hands of a notorious Serb paramilitary unit. The Serbs shout insults, and it seems the Muslims are about to be shot. Instead, as the soldiers laugh and pose, a shot is fired over their victims' heads. Psychological torture and, as it turns out, only a brief reprieve, as the men are led away to a clearing where they have to stand in a line and step forward to be gunned down one by one.

We won't show the moment the men are killed, but each was made to watch as his friends were shot, six out of the 7,000 who were murdered by the Serbs at Srebrenica. Afterwards, two of the men are made to carry the bodies of their dead comrades before they, too, are brutally tortured and shot.

The footage was filmed by one of the paramilitaries. Today eight of those who appear in this film were arrested in Belgrade. The video was shown as evidence in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. A recent poll showed that half the Serbian population still don't believe there was any massacre at Srebrenica. They might have to change their minds now.

Ronna Wiest (ph), ITV News.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Besides the Balkan civil war, the generation has borne witness to several incidents of such large scale ethnic killing: Kurds gassed in Iraq, Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda and the most recent, western Sudan. More than two million refugees live there, hand to mouth, having fled the mass killing and rape of non-Arab people by groups loyal to that government.

A staggering numbers of those refugees are children whose faces will likely never be seen and whose stories will likely never be told. But one group is working to remedy that, Human Rights Watch. It's illustrating the Darfur tragedy with the help of those trapped there.

Jemera Rone of the Human Rights Watch joins us now live to talk about a new exhibit. Jemera, it's great to have you with us.

JEMERA RONE, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: Well, you have been there first -- and seen the atrocities firsthand. What is the most -- what sticks out the most in your mind? I'm assuming it is most likely the children.

RONE: The children do stick out in your mind. The ones that survive especially, because although there are several tens and hundreds of thousands of dead, there are also a much larger number of people who are still alive and suffering very greatly and, in fact, are in danger of dying from disease and other problems in very crowded displaced persons' camps, two million of them, the majority of whom are children.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's set the scene now of where you are and the exhibit that is taking place and how this project got going.

RONE: We have some researchers that went into the refuge camps in Chad, where over 200,000 Darfurians are refugees now. They gave these pieces of paper to children to keep them busy while they interviewed the adults. They didn't tell them what to draw or anything.

Spontaneously, the children started drawing the heart wrenching scenes of their villages being attacked, people they know being killed, people being mutilated, bombs falling on their houses. And so forth. So we saw from their eyes the terrible scenes of war that they were forced to witness that they -- that they survived but whose scars they still carry with them.

PHILLIPS: Now Jemera, just to put these pictures in perspective here and give a little more detail, we're talking about kids from 7 to 13.

One that particularly struck me is this one by Allah (ph), and of course, this is not his real name. But he's 13 years old, and it shows the execution by gunshots to the groin. Here's a 13-year-old boy actually talking about this, what he's witnessed, what he's seen. It's absolutely unbelievable how detailed this is.

RONE: Right. Unfortunately, this is -- this is what the images that keep coming back to these children are. And this is what they're seeing even in their sleep.

What these drawings represent, though, is also an effort by the children to reach out to children in other countries. Specifically, children that are in a position to do something, to campaign and to help them.

They are showing these things to children who haven't had to witness these things in the hopes that they will do something and try to move their governments to help.

And fortunately, there are a number of children's groups and schools and colleges and others that have taken this very much to heart and are starting to petition the government, petition their institutions to divest from companies that do business in Sudan and to take all kinds of other actions.

PHILLIPS: This other picture by Abdul Rahman (ph), age 13, once again -- or I'm sorry. This one's by Mahmoud (ph), age 13. And he talks about the men taking the women and girls, saying that the -- that soldiers forced them to be wife. In other words, they're witnessing rape firsthand, aren't they?

RONE: Yes. That's right. They don't speak of it directly. But that's what they are being forced to see, even at such an early age.

The women also come back, the girls come back crying and won't talk to anyone, and they're very, very ashamed. This thing has had a terrible, devastating affect on families. You can only imagine how they feel helpless to stop these horrendous crimes being committed against their sisters and their mothers.

PHILLIPS: Jemera, have you seen anything happen, anything take place as these pictures have come out that will help the future of these children? Is there any sort of, I don't know, peaceful art solution to where these kids could somehow be given an opportunity to help remedy the situation through their artwork?

RONE: Well, they've done what they can. They have -- they have tried to send a message to the outside world in the way that they best know how to convey it. Their words are never quite adequate, but the pictures speak much louder than any words can. They're crying for help, and it's up to us to do something to get more protective African Union troops into Darfur, to stop this kind of abuse and to make it possible for them to return to a normal life.

They had homes. They had toys. They had furniture. They had roofs over their heads. They have none of that now. They've been absolutely stripped of everything, impoverished, and they're clustered in huge numbers in very, very bad conditions.

They need to go home and resume their life. They will never be able to do this unless there are adequate troops on the ground in Darfur who can assure their safety.

The Sudanese government has done nothing to stop this. It's now something that we don't expect them to do anything about. We need international forces to take care of this, unfortunately.

And that is what we have to keep asking our leaders to do, to take their predicament seriously and to send adequate African Union peacekeeping and peace establishing forces to work in Darfur.

PHILLIPS: Jemera Rone, we encourage our viewers, of course, to log on to the Human Rights Watch web site, learn more about what you're doing and of course, to visit the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., and see these pictures. Jemera, thank you so much.

RONE: Thank you.

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