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Closing Arguments Heard in Michael Jackson Trial; Video Released of Srebrenica Massacre; Woodward, Bernstein Open Up about Deep Throat

Aired June 03, 2005 - 15:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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TONY HARRIS, CO-HOST: Here are the headlines now in the news. En route to New York again, a Virgin Atlantic plane diverted to Halifax, Nova Scotia, has been checked by Canadian police and just taken off for JFK. More on the hijack false alarm just ahead.
Modern day slavery. That's what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the practice of trafficking in human beings. Her department's latest report shows at least 600,000 people are victimized that way every year. And it singles out four U.S. allies in the Persian Gulf region for not doing enough to stop it.

Arrest in a deadly bar fight. Five months after Robert McCartney was killed in a Belfast pub by members of the Irish Republican Army, two men are behind bars. They are expected to appear in a Northern Ireland court tomorrow morning.

Deadlocked but still deliberating. Jurors in the trial of Richard Scrushy tell the judge they can't reach a verdict. He ordered them to keep trying. Scrushy, the former CEO of HealthSouth, is accused of overstating the company's earnings.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: Well, the fate of Michael Jackson soon will be in the hands a California jury which has the task of deciding whether a brilliant American artist is also a child molester. At this hour, after three long months, the jury is hearing one last pitch from the Jackson prosecution.

Live with the story, CNN's Ted Rowlands in Santa Maria, California -- Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kyra, prosecutor Ron Zonen is finishing up his rebuttal portion of his close. After that, the judge is expected to give a jury a few instructions. The bulk of the instructions have already been given to the jury. And then they will begin the deliberations process.

Today Michael Jackson showed up. He did visit a hospital briefly yesterday to get some medication for dehydration. That's according to a family spokesperson. The hospital did confirm that he was there.

But he was at court, on time today with Janet, Latoya, Randy, Jermaine, Tito, Mom and Dad. Rare appearance from his sisters, Janet and Latoya. They all walked into the courtroom. They've been taking turns using the allotted seats for the Jackson family, have the sisters and brothers. Before Ron Zonen got back up to finish his close during the rebuttal portion, Tom Mesereau finished his closing arguments. And in it, he called the accuser and the accuser's family con artists, actors and liars. He said to the jurors, you must throw this case where it belongs, out the door.

Ron Zonen then got up and said the idea this family made all of this up is, quote, "not likely," especially given what we know about Mr. Jackson and his history.

Michael Jackson is -- is expected to go back to Neverland Ranch once the jury has this case. They'll only have a couple of hours today to start deliberating. One would think one that would be only enough time to elect a foreperson and get sort of comfortable in the jury room.

That said, it is possible they could extend today, and it is possible that, conceivably, they could come to a verdict. But the conventional wisdom is that it will take them well into next week before they come up with a unanimous verdict as to Michael Jackson's fate -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ted Rowlands, we're waiting, patiently. Thank you so much -- Tony.

HARRIS: Well, there was a major jolt today to the nation's security system, when an inbound airliner crossing the Atlantic send a signal that the plane had been hijacked.

After intense communications with the cockpit, authorities determined the warning was a false alarm. True to procedure, though, the Virgin Atlantic flight from New York -- from London to New York was diverted to Nova Scotia, under escort, where Canadian authorities boarded the plane and made the final determination that all was OK.

The scare is being blamed on a mechanical error that is under investigation. After hours on the ground in Halifax, the plane has just taken off for New York with its nearly 300 passengers.

Please stay with CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

PHILLIPS: On the Caribbean island of Aruba, police say the disappearance of an Alabama teenager is increasingly looking like a crime. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway has been missing since Monday, the last night of a high school graduation trip. Hundreds of local residents and tourists have joined Aruba authorities in that search, and helicopters and all-terrain vehicles are being deployed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY, MOTHER: She was seen leaving Carlos and Charlie's at approximately 1:30 a.m. Monday morning. And her -- she was here on a senior trip. And there were approximately, I don't know, it could have been 22 to 40 of her classmates in Carlos & Charlie's periodically, but at least 10 of them saw her leave in a small four- door car. Not sure of the make, bluish/gray color and there were three locals in the car with her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Police say they questioned and released those local three men, who said they dropped her off at the hotel. Natalee Holloway's family has posted a reward for her safe return.

HARRIS: And news across American now.

Lining up for a grim trip home in California. Police allowed most Laguna Beach residents to return to the scene of Wednesday's landslide destruction. Of the 350 homes that were evacuated, 250 have been judged structurally safe.

An Arizona teen remains hospitalized in critical condition. Authorities say the boy stole an earth mover from a construction site, then led police on a 15-mile chase in Tucson. Police say they fired on the teen when it appeared he would run over squad cars blocking the road.

And in Richmond, Virginia, police are questioning a suspect in connection to a shooting rampage that left three people dead on Wednesday. So far, no charges against 26-year-old Daniel Bowler, who police reportedly identified from surveillance pictures at a convenience store where one victim was shot. Initially, police thought the shootings were racially motivated. But detectives now say the suspect may have harbored a grudge against the victims.

PHILLIPS: Well, it stands as one of the most appalling single examples of wartime brutality of the modern age. Nineteen ninety-five in northeastern Bosnia, 7,000 to 8,000 Muslim men and boys, unarmed, displaced refugees, were executed by Serbian forces over several days.

Unknown until now, a video camera was rolling on at least some of those killings. ITV's Romilly Weeks has the awful images and the shock waves emerging again from Srebrenica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ROMILLY WEEKS, ITV CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a massacre that the U.N. failed to prevent, the worst atrocity of the Bosnian War, but until now, no footage of Srebrenica had ever seen the light of day.

The video shows young men, handcuffed and bloodied, in the hands of a notorious Serb paramilitary unit. The Serbs shout insults, and it seems the Muslims are about to be shot.

Instead, as the soldiers laugh and pose, a shot is fired over their victims' heads. Psychological torture and, as it turns out, only a brief reprieve, as the men are led away to a clearing where they have to stand in a line and step forward to be gunned down one by one.

We won't show the moment the men are killed, but each was made to watch as his friends were shot, six out of the 7,000 who were murdered by the Serbs at Srebrenica.

Afterwards, two of the men are made to carry the bodies of their dead comrades before they, too, are brutally tortured and shot.

The footage was filmed by one of the paramilitaries. Today eight of those who appear in this film were arrested in Belgrade. The video was shown as evidence in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. A recent poll showed that half the Serbian population still don't believe there was any massacre at Srebrenica. They might have to change their minds now.

Romilly Weeks, ITV news.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HARRIS: Straight ahead, the makers of children's Tylenol are issuing a recall.

PHILLIPS: And they're not recalling the pills but the packaging. We're going to show you why, just ahead on LIVE FROM.

ANNOUNCER: You're watching LIVE FROM on CNN.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Now, more on this week's seismic political news. When Mark Felt went public as Deep Throat, no one was more surprised than the "Washington Post" journalists who had kept his identity a secret for more than 30 years. Last night Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein talked to Larry King about getting scooped by their own source.

CNN's Kelly Wallace has more.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In their first live prime-time interview since Deep Throat's identity was revealed, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein talked with Larry King about getting scooped.

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": How did "Vanity Fair" beat you?

BOB WOODWARD, "WASHINGTON POST": Well, they did some good reporting.

CARL BERNSTEIN, "WASHINGTON POST": There's a great lesson, journalistic lesson in the way this story broke and that we didn't get it. And that is that you know reporters often think that they're in control of a story. The story controls the reporter.

WALLACE: Bernstein said he never actually met their legendary source, Mark Felt, and said Woodward met and talked with him fewer than a dozen times in two years during the Watergate scandal. Woodward told Larry King he hadn't spoken with Felt for a number of years. WOODWARD: It was a number of years ago I talked to him. And it was clear to me that he -- and this was the reluctance we had, that he has dementia. And his memory is often nonexistent on critical matters. And he is somebody 91 years old.

WALLACE: What about the critics who accuse Felt of being disloyal, one calling him a snake?

BERNSTEIN: Sounds like what these people said about us 30 years ago and the president of the United States said, when he tried to make the conduct of the press the issue in Watergate.

WALLACE: Asked if they thought Felt, who was No. 2 at the FBI at the time, broke the law by sharing secrets with them...

WOODWARD: No, I don't think so. I think -- and again, what -- and this is part of the additional story, that he was careful to give us guidance. He didn't give us direct information from FBI files or reports.

WALLACE: What about those who say Felt, passed over for the top job at FBI, might have been seeking revenge?

BERNSTEIN: I think that's a much too simplistic way to interpret it. He obviously felt an obligation to the truth. He felt an obligation, I think, to the Constitution. He realized that there was a corrupt presidency, that the Constitution was being undermined.

WALLACE: And finally, how will history regard the man who helped uncover Watergate crimes, a scandal that brought down a president?

WOODWARD: He was a man conflicted, in turmoil, truly a man of the J. Edgar Hoover FBI who saw all of these things going on. He's an important part but, you know, you don't know what history is going to say.

WALLACE (on camera): For three decades, they kept one of the biggest secrets in Washington. Now, they can tell all and plan to do that with a new book, which Woodward says could be on book shelves soon.

Kelly Wallace, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, any moment it's possible we could hear a decision. The fate of Michael Jackson in the hands of a California jury right now. They're still getting their instructions. We could get -- who knows? Ted Rowlands in Santa Maria, California, a verdict today. A verdict on Monday. We really don't know.

ROWLANDS: Or Tuesday or next Monday. They have a lot to mull over. And if there is disagreement on the panel, it could go for days and days.

Because this has been such a long trial, you can bet that if there's any indication that there's a hung jury, the judge will send them back. So we don't know what to expect, but we do know within minutes now, they will start deliberating.

Prosecutor Ron Zonen has just finished up his closing statement. And he said that he's telling you, I -- said to the jurors, "I'm telling you this is a common-sense case." He said that "you will find that these accusations are not false." And he said, "You should go in there and return guilty verdicts to all of the counts against Michael Jackson."

Jackson is still in the courtroom now and listening to the judge give final instructions. Typically, a jury is instructed after closing arguments. In this case, the judge elected to give pre- instructions. Over the hour plus of jury instructions with this jury already. Now he's just giving them final instructions, which should only take a matter of five minutes. And then they will begin their process of deliberating.

They'll go to about 2:30 Pacific time, giving them just over two hours today. They have the weekend off. And then they'll be back at it next week. Assuming they don't come up with a surprise, quick verdict in this case.

But again, there are 10 counts that they have to mull over. And it's very unlikely that they could go in there and come back with verdicts on all 10 of those counts in such short order.

We do expect Jackson to leave the courthouse momentarily, once this jury gets the case. And he, according to a spokesperson, is going to be headed back to Neverland Ranch and begin the waiting game, waiting to find out his fate -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, Ted, just looking back at Scott Peterson, we talked about this earlier. We were pretty surprised of how quickly that verdict came about. So, considering what you know about this case, you've got to know all the players. You've been listening to both sides for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Taking into account 10 counts and all the personalities involved in this jury, what do you think? Do you think it's -- obviously, anything is possible. But do you think it is possible we could hear a verdict today, or is your sense it's going to take awhile?

ROWLANDS: I don't think it's possible that we'll get it today, just because of the amount of decisions that they have to make with the 10 counts. They also have some lesser counts to consider on the alcohol charges. And, you know, it takes awhile to get comfortable in a jury room.

In the Peterson case, the initial jury that got the case took three days. And then someone was bounced and thrown off. And then they came back with the quick decision. But the bulk of the jury had some time to get acclimated to the process.

So I think they'll set the ground rules, elect the foreperson and go home for the weekend. I highly doubt that they'll take a vote. They'll be instructed not to take a vote and to go through the evidence.

So that is unlikely they'll come back quickly. That said, you just never know. I can tell you this: this jury seems to get along. There's a lot of joking and conversation as they come in and out of the jury room during the trial. They seem like a group that doesn't -- is cohesive. And they seem to joke a lot.

Meaning, they'll most likely want to come to some sort of resolution. I don't think this will be a hung jury. I think they understand the time and the commitment and the finances that have been put into this trial. And I think that they will make a decision one way or another.

PHILLIPS: Physically, mentally, what's your sense about Michael Jackson's condition? He's in and out of the hospital. Does he seem less energetic? I mean, this is definitely become an extremely reality check for him.

ROWLANDS: Yes. And I think what is telling is the people that have been away. We've been here everyday, so I haven't seen any noticeable difference in Michael Jackson in his appearance.

But for the journalists that were here for opening statements and are now here again for the closing arguments, they say they noticed that he has lost weight. He looks gaunt and he looks feeble.

So if you take it from them, folks that have some barometer to change and something to compare it to, they say he's isn't in good health. He did stop by a hospital yesterday on his way home to get some electrolytes, supposedly for a family member. But, you know, who knows. This would be hard on anybody, guilty or innocent.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ted Rowlands, live from Santa Maria, California. Thank you so much. We'll take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: To the New York Stock Exchange right now and a look at the big board. Down Industrials down 90 -- 89. At 10,463, a down day on Wall Street, led mostly by the jobs report. It turns out to be not as good and down, in fact. So there you see the numbers, down 89 today, down 90, 10,463.

We'll take a break. We'll come back with more of LIVE FROM right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Final instructions have been given to the jury in the Michael Jackson case. As we watch the door there of the courtroom in Santa Maria, California. Final instructions have been given to the jury. We understand the jury has formally been handed the case to begin the deliberative process to determine Michael Jackson's case on 10 felony charges that could put him behind bars, if found guilty, for a very long time. We'll be continuing to watch the situation in Santa Maria throughout the day.

PHILLIPS: Could be a surprise verdict, as Ted Rowlands says. It could also take a week, a day, 10 minutes from now.

HARRIS: Yes. We were here for Peterson, so we know how that can go.

PHILLIPS: Well, it's about this time every day that we wrap up LIVE FROM and pass the baton off to Judy Woodruff and "INSIDE POLITICS."

HARRIS: Here's the truth: things won't be the same for any of us here at CNN. Today is Judy's last day at CNN, and we couldn't sign off before saying good-bye.

PHILLIPS: Judy has definitely been at the helm of "INSIDE POLITICS" for 12 years. Here's her glimpse of her very first show on June 7, 1993 with Bernard Shaw.

Judy, I'm not going to say anything about the hair. Let's just talk about that day. Can you remember it? I mean it seems like it wasn't that long ago, right?

JUDY WOODRUFF, HOST, "INSIDE POLITICS": I'm blinded by the hair, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: I must say you have become much more beautiful within 12 years, Judy.

WOODRUFF: Oh, my goodness, Kyra, thank you. Could you please take that picture down right now? I would appreciate it, thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: But that was a pretty incredible day, though, right? I mean, it really was.

WOODRUFF: Oh. Those were remarkable and fun and extraordinary days. In fact, the gentleman you saw me sitting with there is going to be a surprise guest in a few minutes. So with me on today's "INSIDE POLITICS." So you're going to get to hear from Bernie Shaw today.

But I'm -- Kyra, I'm going to miss you and Tony and your regular sidekick, Miles. You guys have been an amazing team to work with. I'm going to miss you all, and I'll still be watching you.

PHILLIPS: And I'll be expecting your e-mails telling me what I'm doing wrong and hopefully -- hopefully what I'm doing right. Because you know I turn to you on a number of things, especially politics.

WOODRUFF: Yes. Well, you never do anything wrong. So there won't be anything like that. It'll only -- it'll only be the good things, we know that.

PHILLIPS: Judy is the only one that believes in that, that's for sure.

HARRIS: Judy, just a quick question before we hand it off to you.

WOODRUFF: What's that?

HARRIS: What are you -- what are you looking forward to now in the days, weeks, months, the years ahead?

WOODRUFF: Well, I am going to take a little time off and think about what sort of other kinds of journalism I can do. I've had an eye on some longer form journalism projects. I eventually want to do some part-time teaching and some writing. So those are the three things I'm looking to do.

But believe me, I'm going to be watching CNN all the way.

PHILLIPS: You have added so much credibility and class to this network, Judy Woodruff. I'm going to miss you a whole bunch.

WOODRUFF: Thank you. Thank you. You know I'm going to miss you, and I'll send you e-mails, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: I'll be waiting. I will definitely be waiting. We're going to take a quick break and the Judy Woodruff and her famous sidekick from years past, Bernard Shaw, your buddy.

HARRIS: I want to kiss the ring. I was hoping to see him this weekend. I didn't. "INSIDE POLITICS" is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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Aired June 3, 2005 - 15:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
TONY HARRIS, CO-HOST: Here are the headlines now in the news. En route to New York again, a Virgin Atlantic plane diverted to Halifax, Nova Scotia, has been checked by Canadian police and just taken off for JFK. More on the hijack false alarm just ahead.
Modern day slavery. That's what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the practice of trafficking in human beings. Her department's latest report shows at least 600,000 people are victimized that way every year. And it singles out four U.S. allies in the Persian Gulf region for not doing enough to stop it.

Arrest in a deadly bar fight. Five months after Robert McCartney was killed in a Belfast pub by members of the Irish Republican Army, two men are behind bars. They are expected to appear in a Northern Ireland court tomorrow morning.

Deadlocked but still deliberating. Jurors in the trial of Richard Scrushy tell the judge they can't reach a verdict. He ordered them to keep trying. Scrushy, the former CEO of HealthSouth, is accused of overstating the company's earnings.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: Well, the fate of Michael Jackson soon will be in the hands a California jury which has the task of deciding whether a brilliant American artist is also a child molester. At this hour, after three long months, the jury is hearing one last pitch from the Jackson prosecution.

Live with the story, CNN's Ted Rowlands in Santa Maria, California -- Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kyra, prosecutor Ron Zonen is finishing up his rebuttal portion of his close. After that, the judge is expected to give a jury a few instructions. The bulk of the instructions have already been given to the jury. And then they will begin the deliberations process.

Today Michael Jackson showed up. He did visit a hospital briefly yesterday to get some medication for dehydration. That's according to a family spokesperson. The hospital did confirm that he was there.

But he was at court, on time today with Janet, Latoya, Randy, Jermaine, Tito, Mom and Dad. Rare appearance from his sisters, Janet and Latoya. They all walked into the courtroom. They've been taking turns using the allotted seats for the Jackson family, have the sisters and brothers. Before Ron Zonen got back up to finish his close during the rebuttal portion, Tom Mesereau finished his closing arguments. And in it, he called the accuser and the accuser's family con artists, actors and liars. He said to the jurors, you must throw this case where it belongs, out the door.

Ron Zonen then got up and said the idea this family made all of this up is, quote, "not likely," especially given what we know about Mr. Jackson and his history.

Michael Jackson is -- is expected to go back to Neverland Ranch once the jury has this case. They'll only have a couple of hours today to start deliberating. One would think one that would be only enough time to elect a foreperson and get sort of comfortable in the jury room.

That said, it is possible they could extend today, and it is possible that, conceivably, they could come to a verdict. But the conventional wisdom is that it will take them well into next week before they come up with a unanimous verdict as to Michael Jackson's fate -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ted Rowlands, we're waiting, patiently. Thank you so much -- Tony.

HARRIS: Well, there was a major jolt today to the nation's security system, when an inbound airliner crossing the Atlantic send a signal that the plane had been hijacked.

After intense communications with the cockpit, authorities determined the warning was a false alarm. True to procedure, though, the Virgin Atlantic flight from New York -- from London to New York was diverted to Nova Scotia, under escort, where Canadian authorities boarded the plane and made the final determination that all was OK.

The scare is being blamed on a mechanical error that is under investigation. After hours on the ground in Halifax, the plane has just taken off for New York with its nearly 300 passengers.

Please stay with CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

PHILLIPS: On the Caribbean island of Aruba, police say the disappearance of an Alabama teenager is increasingly looking like a crime. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway has been missing since Monday, the last night of a high school graduation trip. Hundreds of local residents and tourists have joined Aruba authorities in that search, and helicopters and all-terrain vehicles are being deployed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY, MOTHER: She was seen leaving Carlos and Charlie's at approximately 1:30 a.m. Monday morning. And her -- she was here on a senior trip. And there were approximately, I don't know, it could have been 22 to 40 of her classmates in Carlos & Charlie's periodically, but at least 10 of them saw her leave in a small four- door car. Not sure of the make, bluish/gray color and there were three locals in the car with her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Police say they questioned and released those local three men, who said they dropped her off at the hotel. Natalee Holloway's family has posted a reward for her safe return.

HARRIS: And news across American now.

Lining up for a grim trip home in California. Police allowed most Laguna Beach residents to return to the scene of Wednesday's landslide destruction. Of the 350 homes that were evacuated, 250 have been judged structurally safe.

An Arizona teen remains hospitalized in critical condition. Authorities say the boy stole an earth mover from a construction site, then led police on a 15-mile chase in Tucson. Police say they fired on the teen when it appeared he would run over squad cars blocking the road.

And in Richmond, Virginia, police are questioning a suspect in connection to a shooting rampage that left three people dead on Wednesday. So far, no charges against 26-year-old Daniel Bowler, who police reportedly identified from surveillance pictures at a convenience store where one victim was shot. Initially, police thought the shootings were racially motivated. But detectives now say the suspect may have harbored a grudge against the victims.

PHILLIPS: Well, it stands as one of the most appalling single examples of wartime brutality of the modern age. Nineteen ninety-five in northeastern Bosnia, 7,000 to 8,000 Muslim men and boys, unarmed, displaced refugees, were executed by Serbian forces over several days.

Unknown until now, a video camera was rolling on at least some of those killings. ITV's Romilly Weeks has the awful images and the shock waves emerging again from Srebrenica.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ROMILLY WEEKS, ITV CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a massacre that the U.N. failed to prevent, the worst atrocity of the Bosnian War, but until now, no footage of Srebrenica had ever seen the light of day.

The video shows young men, handcuffed and bloodied, in the hands of a notorious Serb paramilitary unit. The Serbs shout insults, and it seems the Muslims are about to be shot.

Instead, as the soldiers laugh and pose, a shot is fired over their victims' heads. Psychological torture and, as it turns out, only a brief reprieve, as the men are led away to a clearing where they have to stand in a line and step forward to be gunned down one by one.

We won't show the moment the men are killed, but each was made to watch as his friends were shot, six out of the 7,000 who were murdered by the Serbs at Srebrenica.

Afterwards, two of the men are made to carry the bodies of their dead comrades before they, too, are brutally tortured and shot.

The footage was filmed by one of the paramilitaries. Today eight of those who appear in this film were arrested in Belgrade. The video was shown as evidence in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. A recent poll showed that half the Serbian population still don't believe there was any massacre at Srebrenica. They might have to change their minds now.

Romilly Weeks, ITV news.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HARRIS: Straight ahead, the makers of children's Tylenol are issuing a recall.

PHILLIPS: And they're not recalling the pills but the packaging. We're going to show you why, just ahead on LIVE FROM.

ANNOUNCER: You're watching LIVE FROM on CNN.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Now, more on this week's seismic political news. When Mark Felt went public as Deep Throat, no one was more surprised than the "Washington Post" journalists who had kept his identity a secret for more than 30 years. Last night Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein talked to Larry King about getting scooped by their own source.

CNN's Kelly Wallace has more.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In their first live prime-time interview since Deep Throat's identity was revealed, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein talked with Larry King about getting scooped.

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": How did "Vanity Fair" beat you?

BOB WOODWARD, "WASHINGTON POST": Well, they did some good reporting.

CARL BERNSTEIN, "WASHINGTON POST": There's a great lesson, journalistic lesson in the way this story broke and that we didn't get it. And that is that you know reporters often think that they're in control of a story. The story controls the reporter.

WALLACE: Bernstein said he never actually met their legendary source, Mark Felt, and said Woodward met and talked with him fewer than a dozen times in two years during the Watergate scandal. Woodward told Larry King he hadn't spoken with Felt for a number of years. WOODWARD: It was a number of years ago I talked to him. And it was clear to me that he -- and this was the reluctance we had, that he has dementia. And his memory is often nonexistent on critical matters. And he is somebody 91 years old.

WALLACE: What about the critics who accuse Felt of being disloyal, one calling him a snake?

BERNSTEIN: Sounds like what these people said about us 30 years ago and the president of the United States said, when he tried to make the conduct of the press the issue in Watergate.

WALLACE: Asked if they thought Felt, who was No. 2 at the FBI at the time, broke the law by sharing secrets with them...

WOODWARD: No, I don't think so. I think -- and again, what -- and this is part of the additional story, that he was careful to give us guidance. He didn't give us direct information from FBI files or reports.

WALLACE: What about those who say Felt, passed over for the top job at FBI, might have been seeking revenge?

BERNSTEIN: I think that's a much too simplistic way to interpret it. He obviously felt an obligation to the truth. He felt an obligation, I think, to the Constitution. He realized that there was a corrupt presidency, that the Constitution was being undermined.

WALLACE: And finally, how will history regard the man who helped uncover Watergate crimes, a scandal that brought down a president?

WOODWARD: He was a man conflicted, in turmoil, truly a man of the J. Edgar Hoover FBI who saw all of these things going on. He's an important part but, you know, you don't know what history is going to say.

WALLACE (on camera): For three decades, they kept one of the biggest secrets in Washington. Now, they can tell all and plan to do that with a new book, which Woodward says could be on book shelves soon.

Kelly Wallace, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Well, any moment it's possible we could hear a decision. The fate of Michael Jackson in the hands of a California jury right now. They're still getting their instructions. We could get -- who knows? Ted Rowlands in Santa Maria, California, a verdict today. A verdict on Monday. We really don't know.

ROWLANDS: Or Tuesday or next Monday. They have a lot to mull over. And if there is disagreement on the panel, it could go for days and days.

Because this has been such a long trial, you can bet that if there's any indication that there's a hung jury, the judge will send them back. So we don't know what to expect, but we do know within minutes now, they will start deliberating.

Prosecutor Ron Zonen has just finished up his closing statement. And he said that he's telling you, I -- said to the jurors, "I'm telling you this is a common-sense case." He said that "you will find that these accusations are not false." And he said, "You should go in there and return guilty verdicts to all of the counts against Michael Jackson."

Jackson is still in the courtroom now and listening to the judge give final instructions. Typically, a jury is instructed after closing arguments. In this case, the judge elected to give pre- instructions. Over the hour plus of jury instructions with this jury already. Now he's just giving them final instructions, which should only take a matter of five minutes. And then they will begin their process of deliberating.

They'll go to about 2:30 Pacific time, giving them just over two hours today. They have the weekend off. And then they'll be back at it next week. Assuming they don't come up with a surprise, quick verdict in this case.

But again, there are 10 counts that they have to mull over. And it's very unlikely that they could go in there and come back with verdicts on all 10 of those counts in such short order.

We do expect Jackson to leave the courthouse momentarily, once this jury gets the case. And he, according to a spokesperson, is going to be headed back to Neverland Ranch and begin the waiting game, waiting to find out his fate -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, Ted, just looking back at Scott Peterson, we talked about this earlier. We were pretty surprised of how quickly that verdict came about. So, considering what you know about this case, you've got to know all the players. You've been listening to both sides for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Taking into account 10 counts and all the personalities involved in this jury, what do you think? Do you think it's -- obviously, anything is possible. But do you think it is possible we could hear a verdict today, or is your sense it's going to take awhile?

ROWLANDS: I don't think it's possible that we'll get it today, just because of the amount of decisions that they have to make with the 10 counts. They also have some lesser counts to consider on the alcohol charges. And, you know, it takes awhile to get comfortable in a jury room.

In the Peterson case, the initial jury that got the case took three days. And then someone was bounced and thrown off. And then they came back with the quick decision. But the bulk of the jury had some time to get acclimated to the process.

So I think they'll set the ground rules, elect the foreperson and go home for the weekend. I highly doubt that they'll take a vote. They'll be instructed not to take a vote and to go through the evidence.

So that is unlikely they'll come back quickly. That said, you just never know. I can tell you this: this jury seems to get along. There's a lot of joking and conversation as they come in and out of the jury room during the trial. They seem like a group that doesn't -- is cohesive. And they seem to joke a lot.

Meaning, they'll most likely want to come to some sort of resolution. I don't think this will be a hung jury. I think they understand the time and the commitment and the finances that have been put into this trial. And I think that they will make a decision one way or another.

PHILLIPS: Physically, mentally, what's your sense about Michael Jackson's condition? He's in and out of the hospital. Does he seem less energetic? I mean, this is definitely become an extremely reality check for him.

ROWLANDS: Yes. And I think what is telling is the people that have been away. We've been here everyday, so I haven't seen any noticeable difference in Michael Jackson in his appearance.

But for the journalists that were here for opening statements and are now here again for the closing arguments, they say they noticed that he has lost weight. He looks gaunt and he looks feeble.

So if you take it from them, folks that have some barometer to change and something to compare it to, they say he's isn't in good health. He did stop by a hospital yesterday on his way home to get some electrolytes, supposedly for a family member. But, you know, who knows. This would be hard on anybody, guilty or innocent.

PHILLIPS: All right. Ted Rowlands, live from Santa Maria, California. Thank you so much. We'll take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.

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HARRIS: To the New York Stock Exchange right now and a look at the big board. Down Industrials down 90 -- 89. At 10,463, a down day on Wall Street, led mostly by the jobs report. It turns out to be not as good and down, in fact. So there you see the numbers, down 89 today, down 90, 10,463.

We'll take a break. We'll come back with more of LIVE FROM right after this.

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HARRIS: Final instructions have been given to the jury in the Michael Jackson case. As we watch the door there of the courtroom in Santa Maria, California. Final instructions have been given to the jury. We understand the jury has formally been handed the case to begin the deliberative process to determine Michael Jackson's case on 10 felony charges that could put him behind bars, if found guilty, for a very long time. We'll be continuing to watch the situation in Santa Maria throughout the day.

PHILLIPS: Could be a surprise verdict, as Ted Rowlands says. It could also take a week, a day, 10 minutes from now.

HARRIS: Yes. We were here for Peterson, so we know how that can go.

PHILLIPS: Well, it's about this time every day that we wrap up LIVE FROM and pass the baton off to Judy Woodruff and "INSIDE POLITICS."

HARRIS: Here's the truth: things won't be the same for any of us here at CNN. Today is Judy's last day at CNN, and we couldn't sign off before saying good-bye.

PHILLIPS: Judy has definitely been at the helm of "INSIDE POLITICS" for 12 years. Here's her glimpse of her very first show on June 7, 1993 with Bernard Shaw.

Judy, I'm not going to say anything about the hair. Let's just talk about that day. Can you remember it? I mean it seems like it wasn't that long ago, right?

JUDY WOODRUFF, HOST, "INSIDE POLITICS": I'm blinded by the hair, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: I must say you have become much more beautiful within 12 years, Judy.

WOODRUFF: Oh, my goodness, Kyra, thank you. Could you please take that picture down right now? I would appreciate it, thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: But that was a pretty incredible day, though, right? I mean, it really was.

WOODRUFF: Oh. Those were remarkable and fun and extraordinary days. In fact, the gentleman you saw me sitting with there is going to be a surprise guest in a few minutes. So with me on today's "INSIDE POLITICS." So you're going to get to hear from Bernie Shaw today.

But I'm -- Kyra, I'm going to miss you and Tony and your regular sidekick, Miles. You guys have been an amazing team to work with. I'm going to miss you all, and I'll still be watching you.

PHILLIPS: And I'll be expecting your e-mails telling me what I'm doing wrong and hopefully -- hopefully what I'm doing right. Because you know I turn to you on a number of things, especially politics.

WOODRUFF: Yes. Well, you never do anything wrong. So there won't be anything like that. It'll only -- it'll only be the good things, we know that.

PHILLIPS: Judy is the only one that believes in that, that's for sure.

HARRIS: Judy, just a quick question before we hand it off to you.

WOODRUFF: What's that?

HARRIS: What are you -- what are you looking forward to now in the days, weeks, months, the years ahead?

WOODRUFF: Well, I am going to take a little time off and think about what sort of other kinds of journalism I can do. I've had an eye on some longer form journalism projects. I eventually want to do some part-time teaching and some writing. So those are the three things I'm looking to do.

But believe me, I'm going to be watching CNN all the way.

PHILLIPS: You have added so much credibility and class to this network, Judy Woodruff. I'm going to miss you a whole bunch.

WOODRUFF: Thank you. Thank you. You know I'm going to miss you, and I'll send you e-mails, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: I'll be waiting. I will definitely be waiting. We're going to take a quick break and the Judy Woodruff and her famous sidekick from years past, Bernard Shaw, your buddy.

HARRIS: I want to kiss the ring. I was hoping to see him this weekend. I didn't. "INSIDE POLITICS" is next.

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