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Base Jumper Falls 700 Feet When Chute Fails; Soldiers Continue to See Action of Afghanistan Border; Does CIA Know Where Osama Is?

Aired June 20, 2005 - 13:00   ET

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BETH NGUYEN, HOST: Live pictures now from Arizona, where emergency crews are trying to rescue a jumper whose parachute failed to open as he was jumping from a cliff. We are following this story.
Also, Osama bin Laden. The CNN director says he has an excellent idea of where he is. So why hasn't the al Qaeda leader been captured? We're in depth this hour.

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NGUYEN: It's no laughing matter for Tom Cruise. Jokester or jerk? Tom Cruise is definitely not laughing at this after a fake reporter pulls a prank from London.

From the CNN center in Atlanta, I'm Betty Nguyen, in for Kyra Phillips today. CNN'S LIVE FROM starts right now.

As we told you, we want to get you to that story in Arizona of a man who jumped off a cliff. His parachute did not deploy. He has fallen, some say, perhaps maybe 700 feet.

We want to go right now to Sergeant Travis England, who's a spokesperson for Maricopa County Sheriff's Office there, to get an update on the situation.

First of all, if you would, Sergeant, take us back to exactly how this happened.

SGT. TRAVIS ENGLAND, SPOKESMAN, MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: He attempted a base jump off of the cliffs at Saguaro Lake. Unfortunately, he tried this by himself without a safety backup.

We understand that his chute failed and that he fell about 700 feet. Luckily for him also, there happened to be a former combat medic on scene watching him, who was able to start treating him until the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office could get on the scene.

NGUYEN: What kind of injuries does he have? ENGLAND: Right now, we know that he has a broken leg. His body is clearly going into shock because of the serious blows that he's sustained. He is still in critical condition, so we are attempting to use the sheriff's mountain rescue posse to get him off the hill until we can fly him to a trauma hospital.

NGUYEN: We're looking at some live video right now of those crews on the scene, tending to this man. Does he have -- is he conscious at this point?

ENGLAND: He is conscious right now. We understand that it's changing a little bit. His body is going through a great deal of trauma. So as fast as we want to get him off that hill, we have to do it as slowly and as precisely as we so we don't make the injuries worse.

NGUYEN: Well, and it looks like some pretty rugged terrain. Talk to me about the difficulty of trying to get him from where he is to where the rescue trucks are.

ENGLAND: Well, see what we have to deal with is he's on a pretty deep slope. So we actually have to stabilize him, get him off of that slope. Then we have to get him across the water in an air boat, because that's the only watercraft that can sustain the shallow waters.

NGUYEN: I see.

ENGLAND: Once we get him across the water, then we can get him on a helicopter and then fly him to safety.

NGUYEN: So this sounds like it's something that can take quite awhile.

ENGLAND: Well, it certainly can. And again, because he was out here by himself, he's lucky that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office was able to respond in the fashion that we were with our volunteer posse.

NGUYEN: And quickly, before we go, how common is cliff jumping in this area?

ENGLAND: You know, this area is common for cliff climbing to rock-climbing, water rescues, things like that. I believe he's the first person that's actually attempted to jump off of this cliff in a base jumping type of fashion.

NGUYEN: All right. We're going to continue to watch this and bring our audience the latest developments when they happen. Thank you for your time.

Well, we begin this hour with strong words and weak links in the search for Osama bin Laden.

The speaker is California director Porter Goss, telling "TIME" magazine that bin Laden's whereabouts aren't the only or even the biggest obstacle to capturing the world's most infamous terrorist.

Goss says, and we quote, "I have an excellent idea where he is." Pursuers, however, are hampered, Goss says, by sanctuaries being provided by unidentified sovereign nations.

Now, we'll talk about this in a moment with international security expert Jim Walsh. But first, our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, is in eastern Afghanistan and checked in via videophone just a short time ago.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have been traveling most of the day now with U.S. Special Forces and members of the 82nd Airborne along this very dangerous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Of course, a lot of people think that it's all about the hunt for Osama bin Laden. And there is every reason to believe, of course, he is hiding somewhere on the Pakistan side of the border.

But what is going on, on this border, is perhaps -- some people may say it's the forgotten war, given Iraq, that there is constant warfare along this border. U.S. troops are in constant contact almost every day, every week with insurgents, with remnants of the Taliban and the al Qaeda.

They are finding, they tell us, the -- that there are foreign fighters, Uzbeks and Arabs, coming across the border from Pakistan, coming into the Afghanistan side, shooting, then going back across. They tell us today that they are seeing cells, if you will, of what they believe to be Taliban fighters, perhaps more than 10 to 15 at a time, that are engaging in intimidation tactics in the small villages across this portion of eastern Afghanistan.

And I have to tell you that one of the indications of just how significant the combat activity is, is we were earlier today at a fire base within a mile or so of the Pakistan border, and the fire base we were at did come under rocket attack while we were there.

The base took two rockets. One Afghan army soldier was injured in the rocket attack while we were there. He was medevacked to the base we're at tonight. He is going to be fine.

But it's another indicator, really, of the level of activity along this border. For the U.S. troops here this not the forgotten war to them, they are constantly on the hunt for insurgents here.

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NGUYEN: And continuing with this, Jim Walsh is a Harvard scholar, global security analyst and friend of LIVE FROM. He, too, has an excellent idea where bin Laden may be hiding, and Jim joins us from Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Thanks for being with us today.

OK. So CIA Director Porter Goss says that he does have this excellent idea where bin Laden is. Where exactly is that?

JIM WALSH, CNN GLOBAL SECURITY ANALYST: I think it's the same excellent idea we all have, and that is he's somewhere in Pakistan along that frontier region, as the last report indicated. That's what the overwhelming consensus of experts and analysts think. That's where the bulk of al Qaeda, as such, that really remains sort of official al Qaeda. It's in that area.

It's also in Pakistan, where most of al Qaeda members have been arrested. Those that have been arrested have been in Pakistan.

So all the best evidence is there. And there's even a little hint in Porter Goss' statement, when he says sanctuaries in sovereign countries, rather than saying countries that are sanctuaries, that's talking about the frontier, the lawless region in Pakistan.

NGUYEN: OK. So if the CIA knows where Osama bin Laden is, what's stopping them from capturing him?

WALSH: Well, it's easier said than done. You know, I can say that I know someone -- I know someone's in New York City or I know they're in Yellowstone National Park. But that doesn't mean I can go and find them.

In the case of the frontier region, there are a couple of problems. One is the geography. It's a mountainous area. There isn't a lot of access. When you go into that, a lot of people can see you coming.

The other problem is really a political problem. This is an area that has functioned largely autonomously, on its own, for decades. And in fact, Musharraf, President Musharraf, who went in recently, or has made a couple of trips with the army into that region, that was a very delicate thing for him to do. It's almost never done.

So it's both a problem of geography and of politics, of getting the local tribal leaders to work with you and agree with you and not to feel threatened by the intervention of the army.

NGUYEN: Jim, you touched on it briefly. Let's talk about Pakistan and the political implications, because what kind of help is Pakistan giving the U.S. in its search for Osama bin Laden?

WALSH: Well, President Bush and other American officials have been forthright in saying that Pakistan has been a good partner in the, quote, "war on terrorism," but that doesn't mean that everyone in Pakistan is happy with the U.S. attempts to go after al Qaeda or U.S. policy in general.

So you may have the president committed. But remember, it's not the president out there who's looking for him. It has to go down the bureaucracy. That means all the members of the military have to be supportive and that lower levels of the bureaucracy.

Now let me be clear. We've gotten great help from the Pakistani police. A lot of members have been captured or killed. But there's still, I believe, in the intelligence services and in other parts of the government, sympathy for al Qaeda. And if not sympathy for al Qaeda, unhappiness with the U.S., with the war on Pakistan, with whatever policies we may be pursuing.

So the combination of those two things means that some parts of the government are not as enthusiastic in helping us as other parts of the government.

NGUYEN: And there's also that fear that al Qaeda could strike the U.S. again. How strong is al Qaeda at this point? Has it regrouped? Is it gaining in strength?

WALSH: Well, I think it's a mixed picture here. In some ways they're stronger and some ways they're weaker. Why do I say that? They weaker because obviously, they've been put on the offensive. A lot of their leadership has been killed or captured.

But they're stronger in another way. That is, because of the war in Iraq, because of other events, there are more people who are joining. They're getting more recruits. Now, those recruits aren't -- they aren't seasoned veterans. They're not very well trained, but there are more of them. And if they get their training in Iraq or elsewhere, they could pose a threat to the U.S.

Now, I don't expect a big operation from al Qaeda in the next few days or next few months. Remember, they work on a different timeline. So they're hurt in some respects, but they are still very dangerous.

NGUYEN: So how long is it going to take for the U.S. to capture Osama bin Laden? And when that does happen, what kind of difference is it going make to this network?

WALSH: Well, you know, I don't know when they're going to capture Osama bin Laden. They could get lucky, and they could get him tomorrow. Or on the other hand, he's just as likely to die from natural causes as he is to get caught.

The reason I say that is this essential political problem of going into the frontier region, getting the support of local the clans, that's very difficult. And I don't see that being resolved any time soon.

But if they do get him, what difference will it make? Well, I think it will be positive. We want to bring him to justice.

But on the other hand, the broader movement, the broader movement of extremist violent Islamic jihadists and others, they are going to continue, regardless whether we capture bin Laden or not. If we capture bin Laden tomorrow Zarqawi will still be carrying out suicide attacks in Iraq.

What's happened is Al Qaeda has broken up. It's not just al Qaeda; it's local groups in local villages and countries spread out through the world. They're acting on their own in a decentralized manner. That's a movement that's much more difficult to stop than a single leader or a single organization. NGUYEN: A much larger network. Jim Walsh, Harvard University. We thank you for your insight and your time today on LIVE FROM.

WALSH: Thank you.

NGUYEN: And right now, we want to go to Washington D.C. and President Bush, where he is meeting with European Union leaders. Let's listen.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... two questions from the European side.

I want to appreciate Council President Juncker and Commission President Barroso, higher representative Solana and the delegation for coming to the White House today. I really enjoyed our conversation and enjoyed our lunch.

We've covered a lot of topics, and they're important topics. During the conversation, our talks reminded me about the importance of our partnership and the fact that this partnership is based on common values and shared aspirations. A partnership that really has helped build a Europe that is whole, free and at peace.

The United States continues to support a strong European union as a partner in spreading freedom and democracy and security and prosperity throughout the world.

My message to these leaders and these friends is that we want a Europe strong so we can work together to achieve important objectives and important goals.

One of those important objectives and importance goals is the advance of freedom in order to spread peace.

We talked about the Middle East. We support the vision of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace. We talked about Iraq.

This week in Brussels, the E.U. and the U.S. are co-hosting a conference of over 80 countries and international organizations to build support for a free and prosper rouse Iraq. And I want to thank the leaders for that important initiative. I think it's an important signal for people to hear loud and clear, that there may have been past differences over Iraq, but as we move forward, there is a need for the world to work together so that Iraq's democracy will succeed.

We -- we talked about Afghanistan. I appreciate the contributions of E.U. member nations to -- efforts of -- within Afghanistan. All 23 members of the E.U. are contributing troops to Afghanistan and 12 members of the E.U. are contributing troops in Iraq, and we appreciate those contributions.

We talked about the broader Middle East. We talked about the need for us to continually support democratic movements. We talked about the Ukraine and Georgia, as well as the Balkans. The point is, is that we understand that democratic nations are nations that are -- will answer to the hopes and aspirations of their people, and democratic nations are nations that will help us keep the peace.

We talked about terrorism. We talk about visas. We talked about the need to continue to share information, to make sure that we cut off money flows to terrorist groups and prevent terrorist organizations from obtaining weapons of mass destruction.

We talked about Iran, and I complimented the E.U., complimented Mr. Solano, as well as the foreign ministers from Great Britain and Germany and France, for sending a clear message to the leadership in Iran that we're not going to tolerate the development of a nuclear weapon.

We talked about our collaborative efforts in Darfur. The E.U. and NATO are working together to help deploy E.U. peacekeepers in Darfur. And I want to thank the leadership here.

We talked about our economies. About a trillion worth of trade that takes place on an annual basis between the E.U. and United States. And that's important. It's important for people working here in the United States and people working in Europe to understand that trade helps people keep a job.

And I recognize that -- that when there's that much trade, there's going to be disputes. Well, we'll work those disputes out for the sake of our respective countries.

We're committed to the Doha round of the WTO. We're committed to trade that is fair and free.

We spent a lot of time talking about China and how to make sure that China understands there are WTO rules that must be adhered to, and that China should work to do something with their currency so that the trade between our respective countries is fair.

That's all we want. We just want there to be a level playing field. People in Europe can compete and the people in the United States can compete if we have fair rules and fair trade. And so we talked about how we can work together to make sure the world trades more freely and fairly, for the sake of our -- for the sake of our peoples.

All in all, we've had a great discussion. And I'm proud to welcome these two men here to the podium here in the East Room of the White House. And want to I thank you for coming and I'll thank you for your friendship.

Which one wants to go first? The oldest guy.

JEAN-CLAUDE JUNCKER, EUROPEAN UNION PRESIDENT: As the commission is slow in decisions, I'll take the floor immediately.

President Barroso and myself, we were pleased with the meeting that -- with President Bush, the vice president and a certain number of secretaries. We informed our strongest ally of recent developments and events in the European Union.

We're explaining in detail what we are meeting of the French note and the Dutch note in the recent constitution. What they really are about.

We were informing the president of the budgetary (ph) issue. As you know, we were unable during the recent European summit to agree on the so-called financial prospectus for the period of 2007-2013.

We made clear in our frank and open and friendly talks with the president, that the European Union is not at its knees but that the European Union is playing the role it has on the international scheme, that we feel strongly committed to the relationship we established with partners throughout the world and mainly with the U.S., the U.S. being not only a strategic partner but the most important partner we have, not only as far as political strength relations are concerned, but also as far as health (ph) relations are concerned.

The European Union will table its decisions over the next coming months and probably years until this treaty is in place and which allows the European Union to function in a proper way and not as proper way as the constitution would have allowed us to do, but the European Union is there.

We were discussing, which was of quite importance, economic reform in the European Union. We adopted a few months ago in March, the midterm review strategy (ph)...

NGUYEN: And you have been listening to members of the European Union meeting with President Bush today in Washington. They talked about a number of things, including peace in the Middle East, Iraq and trade with many countries, including China.

We'll continue to monitor this and bring you the latest when developments do occur.

Stay tuned for more on LIVE FROM.

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NGUYEN (voice-over): Next on LIVE FROM, new details on life behind bars for Saddam Hussein, doing his own laundry and advising his guards on how to find the right woman.

Later on LIVE FROM, a frantic search for a missing Boy Scout.

TOBY HAWKING, MISSING BOY'S FATHER: The way that we can find my boy is for anybody and everybody to come out and help.

NGUYEN: We're live from Utah with the latest on the search efforts.

Also ahead, a surprise winner pulls off the improbably, taking one of golf's most coveted trophies. U.S. Open champ Michael Campbell joins us for the LIVE FROM interview.

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NGUYEN: Well, there's no French Open for the new U.S. Open champ. Michael Campbell has pulled out of that upcoming tournament to take his family on a much deserved vacation. And why not? Few people expected the 151 to long shot to win, except perhaps his fellow New Zealanders.

Billy Jo Houlipa (ph) with TV New Zealand has this story.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The shot that sealed his place in history. A cheer that reverberated all the way from North Carolina to Tee Tutty Bay (ph) gulf club in Wellington.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's been a dream for him.

MICHAEL CAMPBELL, 2005 U.S. OPEN CHAMPION: I was thinking about my family back home in England and my wife, Julie, and my two boys, Thomas and Jordan, and those in Tee Tutty Bay (ph), Wellington, New Zealand, who are watching live right now, I believe. Happy Father's Day, Dad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was Michael Campbell's moment: the U.S. Open trophy his.

CAMPBELL: Obviously, I'm out there playing for myself but really, I'm playing for people back home, all New Zealanders. Maori people, Europeans, all Kiwis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Friends gathered at the golf club to watch. That's where he learned to play 24 years ago.

GLENN TIMIHOU, GOLFING FRIEND: He used to come up here for years and he's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) brilliant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This where is he started out here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What does it mean? (ph) Awesome. What can you say?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I taught him all he knows.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On top of the world but it was the other side of the world that was on the champion's mind.

CAMPBELL: I can just walk away right now and just think, OK, people back home, if I can do it, so can you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Michael Campbell's the first New Zealander to win a major golf title since Bob Charles, British Open, succeeds (ph) in 1963. But for Campbell, getting to the top wasn't always easy.

CAMPBELL: I worked -- worked very hard for this, you know, ups and downs through my whole career, but it's worth -- it's worth the work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His tenacity showing through at a young age.

SAM SCARLETT, GOLFING FRIEND: He had determination. He used to come out here in all weathers and practice. Rain, hail shine, he'd be out there. We used to sit here in the clubhouse and say, "Look at him."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And youngsters at his high school think Campbell's put them on the map.

LUKE MACCLEAN-MCMAHON, MANA COLLEGE HEAD BOY: It's really good for himself, you know, doing well in the sport and he's achieved really well for himself, the school, the community and everything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And as Michael Campbell celebrates, so will his family and the rest of the country.

Billy Jo Houlipa (ph), One News.

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NGUYEN: And we want to take you back now to the White House, where President Bush and members of the European Union are speaking with reporters. They're taking questions. Let's listen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... kind of the changes at the U.N. that you're looking for.

BUSH: I think Mr. Bolton ought to get an up or down vote on the Senate floor. That's my call to the Senate.

I nominated John Bolton to be the ambassador to the United Nations for a reason. I'm sharing this now with my friends here. The American people know why I nominated him, because the U.N. needs reform, and I thought it made sense to send a reformer to the United Nations.

The U.N.'s an important organization, and the American people, I think, will take -- will understand how important it is, when the U.N. is reformed and is held to account. And so we want more accountability and transparency and less bureaucracy. And John Bolton will help achieve that mission.

And so I think it's time for the Senate to give him an up or down vote now. And I'm not sure if they have made the decision to have that vote. I think tomorrow there's going to be an up or down vote, if I'm not mistaken.

Tonight? Well, put him in. If they're interested in reforming the United Nations, they ought to approve John Bolton. You want to call on somebody?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, you spoke of common values with Europe and the United States, and would you say that today, after the two summits between the European Union and the United States, that the partnership has even become again a friendship between Europe and the United States? And how do you see that Luxembourg (ph) presence, and that issue?

BUSH: Well, I appreciate that. First, the relations with Europe are important relations, and they've -- because we do share values. And they're universal values. They're not American values or European values; they're universal values.

And those values, being universal, ought to be applied everywhere. That's human rights, human dignity, rule of law, transparency when it comes to government, decency. And obviously, if the E.U. and the U.S. speak with one voice on these issues, it's more likely that people will hear it.

I think the friendship between our respective countries in Europe are strong. Obviously, there's been a difference of opinion recently on certain issues. But that doesn't prevent the American people from holding, you know, the good folks of Luxembourg or Portugal in high esteem. There's a lot of traffic between our country, a lot of tourism, a lot of trade, a lot of commerce, between individual countries between the E.U. and the United States. And that's because of mutual respect and -- and the desire for people to get to know the world better.

And in terms of your prime minister, he's an interesting guy. He's a lot of fun to be around. He promotes serious business in a way that endears himself to people. And so I think his presidency has been an important presidency for -- during difficult times, and he's handled it well.

And I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate too well. Is that all right, if I call you a piece of work?

OK. He's done a good job, and I value his friendship. I think it's really -- I know it's really important for people at our -- when we sit down at the table to have a friendship so we can discuss things in a frank and an honest way, without -- without fear of being able to tell people what's on our mind. That's the best way to get these done and Jean-Claude certainly has been that way, as has Joseph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, we were told that you planned to sharpen your focus on Iraq. Why did this become necessary? And given the recent surge violence, do you agree with Vice President Dick Cheney's assessment that the insurgency is in its last throes?

BUSH: I think about Iraq everyday, every single day, because I understand we have troops in harm's way, and I understand how dangerous it is there. And the reason it's dangerous, because there's cold-blooded killers that will kill Americans or kill innocent Iraqis in order to try to drive us out of Iraq. I spoke to our commanders today -- Commander Abizaid today and will be speaking to General Casey here this week, getting an assessment as to how we're proceeding, if we're making progress toward the goal, which is on the one hand a political process moving forward in Iraq, on the other hand, the Iraqis capable of defending themselves. And the report from the field is that, while it's tough, more and more Iraqis are becoming battle-hardened and trained to defend themselves.

And that's exactly the strategy that's going to work. And it is going to work. And we will complete this mission for the sake of world peace.

And you just heard, the E.U. is willing to host this conference with the United States in order to help this new democracy move forward. And the reason why is, many countries understand that freedom in the heart of the Middle East will make this world more peaceful.

And so, you know, I think about this every day -- every single day. And I will continue thinking about it, because I understand we've got kids in harm's way. And I worry about their families. And, obviously, any time there's a death, I grieve.

But I want those families to know, one, we're not going to leave them -- not going to allow their mission to go in vain; and two, we will complete the mission and the world will be better off for it.

QUESTION: Mr. President, many in Europe...

BUSH: You're offending people here. We've got two other...

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QUESTION: Mr. President, many in Europe are worrying that with the fight against terrorism, the commitment of the United States to human rights is not as big as it used to be: That has not only to do with Guantanamo, but also with the secret prisons where the CIA holds terror suspects.

My question is, what will happen to these people who are held in these secret prisons by the CIA? Will they ever see a judge, or is your thinking that with some terror suspects the rule of law should not apply or does not have to have applied?

BUSH: First of all, I appreciate that question.

And I understand those of us who espouse freedom have an obligation and those who espouse human rights have an obligation to live up to those words.

And I believe we are in Guantanamo. I mean, after all, there's 24-hour inspections by the International Red Cross.

You're welcome to go down yourself -- maybe you have -- and take a look at the conditions. I urge members of our press corps to go down to Guantanamo and see how they're treated and to see -- and to look at the facts. That's all I ask people to do.

There have been, I think, about 800 or so that have been detained. These are people picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan. They weren't wearing uniforms. They weren't state- sponsored. But they were there to kill.

And so the fundamental question facing our government was: What do you do with these people?

And so we said that they don't apply under the Geneva Convention, but they'll be treated in accord with the Geneva Convention.

And so I would urge you to go down and take a look at Guantanamo. About 200 or so have been released back to their countries. There needs to be a way forward on the other 500 that are there.

We're now waiting for a federal court to decide whether or not they can be tried in a military court where they'll have rights, of course, or in the civilian courts. We're just waiting for our judicial process to move the process along.

Make no mistake, however, that many of those folks being detained -- in humane conditions, I might add -- are dangerous people.

Some have been released to their previous countries and they got out and they went onto the battlefield again. And I have an obligation, as do all of us who are holding office, to protect our people. That's a solemn obligation we all have.

And I believe we're meeting that obligation in a humane way.

As well, we've got some in custody. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a classic example: the mastermind of the September the 11th attack that killed over 3,000 of our citizens. And he is being detained because we think he could possibly give us information that might not only protect us but protect citizens in Europe.

And at some point in time he'll be dealt with. But right now we think it's best that he be kept in custody.

We want to learn as much as we can in this new kind of war about the intention and about the methods and about how these people operate. And they're dangerous and they're still around and they'll kill in a moment's notice.

In the long run, the best way to protect ourselves is to spread freedom and human rights and democracy.

But if you've got questions about Guantanamo, I seriously suggest you go down there and take a look -- seriously -- and take an objective look as to how these folks are treated and what has happened to them in the past.

And when the courts make the decision they make, we'll act accordingly.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Thank you all very much for coming.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And you have been listening to the question-and-answer session following President Bush's meeting with the leaders of the European Union in Washington. You'll want to stay tuned, because there is much more to come right here on CNN's LIVE FROM.

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NGUYEN: The latest suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway went to court this morning in Aruba. But we still don't know whether prosecutors won the right to keep him locked up a little bit while longer. It's now been three weeks since Holloway's high school graduation dream trip became a nightmare for her family, friends and authorities who still have filed no formal charges nor turned up any trace of the missing teen.

We want to get the latest now from CNN's Chris Lawrence in Palm Beach.

Chris, what do you know.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Betty, there has been definitely been more movement in this investigation, even in the last few hours. That fourth suspect you mentioned, who was on Friday, we've now confirm that he will remain in jail for at least a while longer.

Take a look, this is Steven Croes going into court just this morning. The prosecutors had asked to detain him for up to another week without actually filing charges against him. The judge said, yes, that's OK.

Now We don't know specifically what Croes is suspected of, but we have learned he worked as a D.J. on a local party group, and his boss told us that he knows one of the three men already arrested from a local Internet cafe.

Now more of the investigation focused on one family, the Dutch teenager who hit it off with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared, and now his father, Paul Van Der Sloot, who's a local judge. That's him rushing home from the police station this weekend. He was questioned by police on Saturday, and then brought back again Sunday.

Natalee Holloway's stepfather watched that tape, and to put it lightly, did not like what he saw.

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GEORGE TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: You know, he's -- I've met him. I met him the night I got here. I got here, you know, 12 hours after it happened, and The guy's, he's sickening to me. He's a chicken. You can tell. Why is he running this morning on TV. If he has nothing to hide, why is he running to his car? He makes my stomach turn.

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LAWRENCE: Now, to put that tape in some perspective, there were cameras surrounding Van Der Sloot as he came out of the police station, and he has only been questioned as a witness, not a suspect, like his son, and the other three men, so far -- Betty.

NGUYEN: Still some very powerful words there. Well, let's talk about the actual search for Natalee Holloway. Where is that focusing right now? Is that under way?

LAWRENCE: It is under way, and it goes from place to place. Obviously now in the last few days the Van Der Sloot's have become more of a focus. Their home was searched. Several items taken from the home. Again, the father being brought in to be questioned twice.

But it's also hit a local lighthouse where the teenagers said that they drove Natalee, the night that she disappeared, also a nearby beach that they passed by. So the investigation seems to go where they get new information to lead them.

NGUYEN: CNN's Chris Lawrence in Palm Beach, Aruba. Thank you, Chris.

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