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Police Identify Some of London Bombing Suspects; Two Zarqawi Aides Arrested; Chief Justice Released from Hospital; Clinton Sounds off on Tsunami Relief Efforts, Hot Button Issues

Aired July 14, 2005 - 13:00   ET

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KYRA PHILLIPS, HOST: Live picture from London's Trafalgar Square, where Britons are remembering the bombing victims. This hour, new details on the investigation.
Here we go again, tracking another hurricane. Emily churns up in the Caribbean.

The chief justice in the hospital. What do his latest problems mean for the overall health and future of the Supreme Court?

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

Reflections and revelations one week after the deadliest day in London since World War II. All across Europe, life came to a standstill at noon, London Time, in honor of the 52 known fatalities from the quadruple suicide bombings on subway trains and a city bus.

Another vigil is starting now in London's Trafalgar Square. Live pictures you see here.

Earlier today, police confirmed the identities of two of the four suspected bomber and asked for help in retracing one suspect's footsteps. Two hundred miles away, Scotland Yard has cordoned off a whole neighborhood near the home of another suspect and won't say why. That's in Leeds, where CNN's Jim Boulden bring us up to date -- Jim.

JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kyra.

Yes, I am standing at the edge of that cordon. It has been widened in the last five hours. At the same time that Leeds also came to a stop for that two-minute moment of silence. We found that the police were actually coming to this area in strength.

There were double-decker buses brought to this area, as well, to take some of the residents out. They're telling residents that they may not be able to go back to homes tonight. And it's thought that there may have been some bomb making equipment or maybe they're being looking for explosives in one of these houses.

That's the latest news from here. But also, the police are very keen on finding this so-called fifth man. There must have been somebody, the police say, who put these boys, these young men, up to this task, somebody who built the bombs, somebody with the sophistication to build the bombs. The question is: was he a student at the schools? Was he maybe a teacher at the schools? Was he somebody they met at one of the mosques, you know, somebody that would have helped them to get to the tasks? And did he leave the country before the attacks?

Now, CNN has obtained some photos of some of the men. The first one here is Hasib Hussain. He was 18 years old. His friends say about two years ago he went from being a troubled teenager, somebody who got into being in a lot of trouble, and that he changed and became much more serious and took the Islamic religion much more serious.

It should also be noted, it was his mother who called the police on Thursday night, the night of the bombings, to say her son went to London and that he was missing. That was one of the key links that led the police -- led the police to Leeds.

The second one is 30-year-old Mohammed Sidique Khan. Now Mohammed Sidique Khan was a teacher, or a teacher's aide at one of the local elementary schools. He also was married and had a small child, a child around 18 months old. He's one of the suspected bombers, one of the suspected suicide bombers. And it's really shocked this community. Somebody who was at school and helping with other children just a few weeks ago.

The third one is Shahzad Tanweer. He was 22 years old. He was a young man here that many people knew. His house, or his family, is just a few -- a few streets away from where we're standing at the moment.

He liked soccer. He liked sports. He liked -- he liked cricket. He was popular in the area. Lots of the people around here we've talked to said that -- that he was very well known. He's also, you know, somebody that they feel very shocked about, that he would be involved in this kind of activity.

Let's go back and talk about Hasib just for a moment, Hasib Hussain, the 18-year-old. The police are going to release a CCTV video or picture from video of him at a train station near London. They're doing that because he's the one who was on the Number 30 bus, the bus that blew up about an hour after the trains blew up. And the police said today they're very keen on having the public see his photo, because they need help to find out how he got from the underground train system onto that bus.

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PETER CLARKE, DEPUTY ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, METROPOLITAN POLICE: The question I'm asking the public is did you see this man at King's Cross? Was he alone or with others? Do you know the route he took from the station? Did you see him get onto a Number 30 bus? And if you did, where and when was that?

BOULDEN: Now, Kyra, where we're standing, there are lots of people try to get home tonight from work. They're just finding out right now that this area behind me for about five blocks is cordoned off. The police are having a bit of trouble trying to explain to people that there might be danger down this road, and they simply cannot go home. They have already evacuated a mosque and a school, and other people are just finding out now they cannot go home and probably won't be able to go home tonight -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Jim, just to clarify, Hasib Hussain, Shahzad Tanweer, both identified as suspects that are from Leeds. Did you just say there's a third suspect now that's been identified from this same neighborhood? I just want to clarify and I want to know if, indeed, that is his house that you're talking about?

BOULDEN: Yes, well, behind us is Shahzad Tanweer's, where his family lived about four blocks down here. Near there, is the mosque. Across the street from the mosque is a vacant building. And there's some concern that maybe the boys, the young men were meeting in that house.

The third man, Mohammed Sidique Khan, the police have not officially given us his name, but of course, the community knows that he is missing and that he has been -- the family's been told that he's dead. He's also from Leeds.

A fourth man, maybe from Leeds, maybe from elsewhere, he has not been officially identified from the police yet. And then there is this mysterious fifth man, the man they saw on the tape. They want to know where that man is. They assume he is alive and very well could be the mastermind behind all this.

PHILLIPS: Got it. Jim Boulden, thank you very much.

Well, they've got blood on their hands, allegedly, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi on their speed dials, figuratively. Two big arrests in Iraq, and two more suicide bombings at a Green Zone checkpoint.

CNN's Aneesh Raman fills us in from Baghdad.

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kyra, good afternoon.

They are being called significant insurgent operatives. The U.S. military announcing today the capture of two key Zarqawi aides. The first on Saturday, a man by the name of Abu Seba, taken into custody in the town of Ramadi, west of the capital city, during a raid. He is described as a senior lieutenant in the group al Qaeda in Iraq.

But equally important, Kyra, he is directly linked, they say, to the attacks on diplomats in Baghdad last week, the Bahrainian/Pakistani envoys who were attacked by gunfire, but specifically, the murder of Egypt's top envoy to Iraq, Ihab Sharif, which took place a week ago. That event had caused a great deal of concern in the diplomatic community here. This arrest now, a key one to kind of counter the fear.

On Sunday, a day later, the capture of a man named Abu Aziz. He is described as Zarqawi's top man here in the capital city, in Baghdad, coordinating attacks against coalition force, as well as Iraqi civilians.

They say that both of these men are in custody, providing intelligence, perhaps, that could lead to actionable intelligence on the whereabouts of Zarqawi himself.

As these arrests -- announcement was made, Kyra, a further attack by insurgents here in the capital city, at a main checkpoint outside the Green Zone earlier today. That, the place that houses both the U.S. military and key Iraqi government posts.

A suicide car bomb detonated. That was followed by a suicide bomber wearing an explosives vest. At least one person was killed, five others wounded. We're told, Kyra, among the five was a third potential suicide bomber. His vest did not explode. It was defused.

This, the U.S. military says, a sign of success for the Iraqi security forces. They prevented these bombers from getting any closer, preventing the casualties from being much higher -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Aneesh Raman, live there from Baghdad, thank you.

Back here, rulings in Aruba. We expect to hear soon from appellate judges who are being asked to reauthorize the arrest of two former detainees -- you remember these boys -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, and to free a detainee whom a lower court held for 60 more days. He's Joran Van Der Sloot, or Jordan Van Der Sloot (sic), rather, seen here in the middle.

The case, of course, is the missing Alabama honor student, Natalee Holloway, of whom there's still not the slightest sign after 45 days. We're going to bring you those decisions as soon as they happen.

All systems are stop, still, at Kennedy Space Center while NASA troubleshoots and trying to solve the mystery of the faulty fuel gauge. It's a backup sensor but a front-burner problem. And Discovery won't depart on the first shuttle mission since the Columbia catastrophe until it's fixed.

CNN's Sean Callebs has a progress report.

What do we know, Sean?

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we can tell you that about 11 separate committees were meeting this morning, going through some technical information, trying to find out about that faulty fuel sensor, where it was, what could have caused the problem.

The big concern, it is an intermittent problem. They've had a couple of tests over the past 24 hours. Kyra, now we're going to go back to you quickly.

PHILLIPS: I apologize, Sean. We'll come back to you in just a second. But we're just getting word that Chief Justice William Rehnquist has been released from the hospital. We told you yesterday when we got word, our Joe Johns reported to us from the Supreme Court. Oh, he's actually with us. Joe, I didn't know we had him -- but hello.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi. PHILLIPS: Yesterday, of course, you came on the air. You noticed that the chief justice wasn't at work, found out he had been taken to the hospital, Arlington Hospital, by ambulance the night before, suffering from a high fever. So he's been released.

JOHNS: That's right.

PHILLIPS: What do we know?

JOHN: That's about all we know right now. We're hearing from Kathleen Koch, our correspondent over there at the hospital, that he has been released from the hospital. Apparently, got into a car and headed to whereabouts unknown. Certainly, his house in Arlington, also the court, a possibility here.

Though we were told to believe that if he were released from the hospital today, it was more likely that he would go home and work from home if he worked at all. So that's the news.

Of course, as you know, the chief justice, 80 years old, suffering from thyroid cancer, not entirely unusual for a person in his condition from time to time to have to go to the hospital.

Lots of speculation of course about whether and when he might retire from the court. No word on that. The lead since, of course, apparently the chief justice has left the hospital after arriving there Tuesday night by ambulance, spending the night last night under observation, apparently for tests. Now has left the hospital -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right, Joe. I know you'll be sticking around, because you and I are going to talk to a doctor, get a little more specific about what Chief Rehnquist is going through physically. So we'll bring that to you.

Stay with us here on LIVE FROM. More after a break.

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PHILLIPS: As you know, we've been just talking about the information regarding Chief Justice William Rehnquist. We just got word that he has been released from the hospital.

We reported yesterday that the 80-year-old chief justice, who's been suffering from thyroid cancer and has been in ailing health for quite some time, was rushed to the hospital via ambulance two days ago, because he had a high fever.

And then we just brought in Joe Johns a few minutes ago. We're going to bring him back there in front of the Supreme Court, just to bring you up to date on what's happening with the chief justice.

Are you with us, Joe?

JOHNS: I am, Kyra. You know, we're really sort of reduced to following the movement of cars on this. Because the chief justice has done a pretty good job of keeping his own health affairs fairly close to the vest, keeping them separate from his public official duties here at the court.

Of course, our expectation that is he'll be going back to his house, back to the house where he was taken from on Tuesday night, reporting a fever, taken to the Virginia hospital center, and checked out, kept there last night, apparently, for tests and observation. We're expecting him to go to that house. Although it's not certain that he's going to that house.

There's also the possibility here. But we were told from the start today it was unlikely that the chief justice might come back to work, were he released today. So none of this, of course, being confirmed by the court. The court has not said much about Chief Justice. In fact, they didn't say much at all about the fact that he had gone to the hospital until yesterday and he'd already arrived the night before.

So that's our status, waiting to find out his whereabouts.

Back to you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right. I understand we just got a shot of the chief justice's house, also, Joe. We're going to go ahead and take this live picture. A familiar place for you and other reporters. This is where a number of reporters were sort of staked out just a few days ago.

Of course, he did come out with a couple of his security guards, and one of the reporters shouted out, "How are you feeling? What's going on with you?" at the chief justice.

And he basically said, "Well, that's for me to know and you to find out."

So he's been definitely keeping things under wraps to this point, and of course, the court is downplaying what's taking place with the chief justice right now.

Let me ask you, while we're getting our doctor good to go here and talk a little bit more about his condition, why is the court downplaying this, Joe?

JOHNS: Well, to tell you the truth, a lot of the justices are like that. We here on Capitol Hill from time to time see them, run into them, if you will, in various places around the capital. And some of them from time to time go to the infirmary over in the capital, apparently, to see doctors, get medicine and talk to medical officials.

But it's always pretty much hush-hush. The court does not really push a lot of information out there about the health of the justices, what the justices do in their private times.

It's been suggested that they see themselves simply as judges, and it's a little bit different from the political officials, the congressmen, the center, the president of the United States, who are much more forthcoming. Of course, those are elected officials. These are appointed officials, lifetime appointees. And perhaps that makes some difference, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right, Joe. Stay with me, there. I want to bring in Dr. Amy Chen. She's an assistant professor at Emory University.

And of course, we don't want to assume the worst or make any -- talk about this case specifically, because you're not treating William Rehnquist, obviously. But the fact that he had a high fever, he's on a breathing tube, he's 80 years old, he's dealing with thyroid cancer. If he were your patient, what would be going through your mind?

DR. AMY CHEN, EMORY UNIVERSITY: Well, as you have mentioned, I don't know the specifics of the case. Obviously, this seems to be a setback for him, since he had to be hospitalized. Could be a number of things. Could be infection. He, of course, is at higher risk because of his previous treatment, previous treatment for cancer, his age and the presence of his tracheotomy tube.

PHILLIPS: And of course, considering his condition, the immune system is so important. So when you get a high fever, is that a signal that the immune system might not be doing as well as it should be?

CHEN: Well, I think an 80-year-old can certainly have a fever. And certainly, having chemotherapy -- although I am not certain whether he is still undergoing chemotherapy at this time -- chemotherapy certainly does affect the immune system and makes one more susceptible to infection.

PHILLIPS: Joe, do we know if he's still undergoing chemo? And if you have a question for the doctor, please go ahead.

JOHNS: Right. That was one of my questions, do -- would you expect chemotherapy to be continuing? And the other half of it is, do you get the impression that this is an extraordinarily tough, strong man, especially given the prognosis, the diagnosis, that we heard last November or so? Does what you're hearing about the chief justice suggest that he is of exceptionally strong constitution to continue his duties, given the thyroid cancer?

CHEN: I think absolutely. The fact that he is continuing with his work is certainly a testament to his spirit and to his fortitude.

I am not sure whether he's continuing chemotherapy. And I don't think anyone knows that, except perhaps Judge Rehnquist and his physicians. It is -- he definitely has done very well with his treatment, so it's unclear to me whether he's continuing that.

PHILLIPS: Well, tell us a little bit about thyroid cancer, from what you know and have seen through patients that have suffered through thyroid cancer. Where -- where does it -- talk about the effects a little bit more. And someone, especially, who's 80 years old, I would assume that it would maybe hit him a little harder than somebody, say, in their 30s.

CHEN: Well, thyroid cancer is increasing in incident in the United States. It most commonly affects women. Seventy-five percent of thyroid cancers are diagnosed in women and not in men and, certainly, in a younger age group.

Given his age, there were many speculations about the type of thyroid cancer he had, and we still are not sure the type of thyroid cancer he has. Most thyroid cancers, the vast majority of them, are treated very well with very high response rates.

And so especially -- with a patient who's 80, with any diagnosis of cancer, they may have a more difficult time withstanding the treatment. But he certainly has done very well.

PHILLIPS: Physically and mentally, he's one tough character.

CHEN: Absolutely.

PHILLIPS: Dr. Chen, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

And Joe Johns there, in front of the Supreme Court. Keep us posted, Joe, on whatever you find out. OK?

JOHNS: Will do, thanks.

PHILLIPS: All right. You bet.

Well, seven months post-tsunami in Asia, the world's attention has long since shifted to other tragedies, scandals and controversies, but the U.N. is in the recovery campaign for the long haul and so is the special U.N. envoy, 42nd president of the United States, Bill Clinton. Mr. Clinton is at the U.N. headquarters today, alongside our senior U.N. correspondent Richard Roth.

Richard, quite a coup. Thanks for bringing us the interview.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thank you very much, Kyra.

Mr. President, welcome. Why did you say to the delegates today that we are at the most dangerous point in the tsunami recovery/reconstruction drive?

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Because a magnificent job was done in the immediate aftermath. There was no widespread starvation, no outbreak of disease. People were immediately put into some sort of housing. There was no kind of squabbling between the governments and the donors and the NGOs. Everybody was working together. Magnificent performance for the American military and other militaries.

Now, we're in a period where you've still got a lot of people living in tent, and they want to be in better temporary housing. Everybody really wants to be in a permanent home, and you can't possibly build that many that quickly. You've got a period where everybody wants to be back at work, and we haven't been able to reconstruct all the livelihoods.

And if this had happened to America, which has far more resources, we wouldn't have been able to do it either. I mean, I think they're doing pretty well. But it's dangerous, because it's frustrating and it's complex.

We know that, for example, in areas where they're ready to build the houses back and they have the commitments, the financial commitments to do it, but they can't harvest all the timber from within Indonesia without tearing down valuable rain forests that would not be sustainable. So we have to find the lumber from somewhere else.

In Sri Lanka, finally, finally, there's a reconciliation and a determination that the long conflicting Hindu Tamals will work with the majority Sinhalese Buddhists and the minority Muslims to rebuild the country. But they're still not resolved on how far back from the water they have to build.

So there are these problems. So it's a dangerous, difficult time, but I think we'll work through it.

ROTH: So what about the complaints of aid not starting to be put to work, really? That there's still -- there's a lot money, you mentioned...

CLINTON: There's a lot of money. There's somewhere between $2 billion and $3 billion still in the banks, the NGOs. I'd say there was, the last time, I went there, $3 billion. But a lot of contracts have been let since then. So I presume it's considerably lower.

Look, it's just going to take time to work through this. And that's one of the things that I've tried to do. My view is, if we have good coordinating mechanisms within the country, and then here at the U.N. with the NGOs, the international financial institutions, the major donor countries, that we'll just work through this stuff.

And there is no silver bullet. There's -- each issue has to be taken on its own.

And we also have work very hard to get a common reporting. So that you can get on the Internet, find everybody's plan, and how much -- what every little piece of it costs, when it's supposed to be done, and whether it's funded or not.

ROTH: Can you assure Americans that the millions pledged will be going to where they hope it's going?

CLINTON: I can assure Americans that the hundreds of millions, maybe over $1 billion they pledged, that we're making every effort to account for it. And so will the countries involved. That it won't be spent until it can be effectively spent, but that it will be spent.

That's another thing very frustrating to a lot of the NGOs. They know that -- let's just take the Red Cross, who got the lion's share of the money. They know that, if they spend this money well and wisely, maybe next year we can raise money to eradicate malaria or tuberculosis.

If they spend it and it's wasted, people won't give again. If they don't spend it because they're afraid it will be wasted, people will be frustrated: "I gave and they didn't spend it."

So we're all working on this. And we may not be perfect, but we're going to do better at it than anybody's done before, think.

ROTH: You've made two trips to the region. They say the president of the United States is in a cocoon in the White House. Though you certainly have visited the sites of tragedy, Mr. Clinton. Can you explain the emotional connection for you when you meet people who have lost their families, their lives, in the middle of nowhere, thousands of miles away?

CLINTON: Well, you know, first of all, I think that it's just overwhelming that people find the courage to go on. You know, they're living along with their lives. Most every day is just like the day before and then all of a sudden, nature intervenes and their whole lives are changed and sometimes immeasurably scarred.

As you've heard me say many times when I was in the Indonesian displaced persons camp, I was shown through by the people -- the person designated to be the leader of the camp and his wife, who have, now, one son, and before the tsunami, they had 10 children. I mean, you just see that over and over again.

I talked to a man, and -- first time I went, and his boat was buried on the sand. And he said he was digging his boat out because he'd lost his wife and all of his children, and that boat under the sand was all he had left of his old life.

When you see that and you see the courage of these people, then you know we have to try to make this work. You know, all the problems and -- it's really good to be reminded -- I wish -- when everyone gets frustrated, I would send them to the displaced person's camp and let them talk to people. Because once you get rooted in the human reality of this again, you get all your energy back, you want to go and you become absolutely convinced we can do it right.

ROTH: You -- you were the world's most powerful man. You told the U.N. delegates a short time ago you have no power now. You've been trying this effort, among your other efforts. What is that like?

CLINTON: Well, that's OK. I mean what I meant was true. I mean, I have a limited staff a very dedicated, very able people. But our job is largely to be a coordinator. We don't have independent sources of funds.

Even when the former President Bush and I, you know, went out and raised a good deal of money, and we kept a few million on our own. And we have tried to spend it, and I give him and his staff a lot of credit for this. We tried to spend it in a way that the other donors could see that there are things you can do to have good, quick results.

But this is not a job rooted in power. I don't order people around. I try to help people do what I think they want to do. I think they want to do a good job. I think everybody here wants to -- wants to succeed. All these countries that have been affected, they want to succeed. All the people that have the money to give, they want to give it.

And there's just a lot of details that you have to work out and gaps you have to close, and that's what I'm trying to help do.

ROTH: All right. One and two more points on tsunami before one or two other questions before you depart. What needs to be done right now? You mentioned that we're at a high-risk point. There are a lot of risks, you're worried (ph).

CLINTON: Well, first of all, we've got to get these early warning systems up. Thailand's put one up. Other countries are working on them. They've agreed on compatible technology.

But the world, the community, needs to make sure they're all financed and put up and put up quickly and that they work. Because otherwise, we'll never get the tourists back to Sri Lanka, to -- I mean to Thailand and the Maldives or get them to Sri Lanka, Indonesia, for that matter, any place else. They're just not going to go back.

And the Maldives cannot recover and that portion of Thailand that was hit cannot recover unless tourism comes back. So the early warning system's important.

The second thing we have to do is to continue to support the peace process. I mean, if there's peace, there can be investment, there can be growth, there can be enormous turnaround. I'm hopeful about Indonesia, and I'm very impressed that the president of Sri Lanka, you know, has made this deal to work with the minority Hindu Tamals and the Muslims. They're all going to work together. That's good.

Again, we need to -- to have everyone support our common reporting system so that you or anybody who works for your network or any other press outlet anywhere in the world should be able to get on the Internet and see what's being done in every one of these countries, by project, and how much it cost, and who's got it, and who's funding it and when is it going to be finished.

ROTH: All right. And you're also going to Africa shortly on your other AIDS effort.

Let me ask you some quick questions. It's kind of rare that we have you here. You told Larry King on June 1 that Karl Rove was a smart man, smart as a whip. That was before this whole controversy. What should happen in that situation?

CLINTON: Depends on what the facts are. I think we've got to wait and see what the facts are.

ROTH: Does the White House, for all its intents and purpose -- it kind of ran against you in 2000, promising to restore honesty and integrity to the White House. Do they need to have a higher standard there now, even if no laws are broken?

CLINTON: Well, first of all, I -- you know, I'd like to point out they spent $100 million looking at our administration. They found one person that violated a misdemeanor, for $100 million. That had never happened before. So the image was quite different than the reality at the time.

But I think -- here's what I think. I like Joe Wilson, the man who was the target of the wrath of somebody in the administration. But he didn't vote for me in '92. He voted for former President Bush, and he said so publicly. He's a career diplomat.

He didn't deserve to have his career ruined, and his wife didn't deserve to have her career ruined, because he wouldn't say what they want him to say, which was that in Niger they spent -- sent uranium, yellow cake, to Iraq. He knew there was evidence of it, and he wasn't going to lie about it. And he shouldn't have been punished for it.

But I don't know who did it, and I'm not going to say anything until we know what the fact are. We should let the facts come out.

ROTH: You told students yesterday, Democratic activists, to look at the movie "Advise and Consent," the old political Washington movie. So what's your advice for President Bush in choosing Supreme Court justices? What type of person?

CLINTON: I would say that he should pick someone -- he'll want to pick someone who may be quite a bit more conservative than I would pick, because he's probably the most conservative president we've had since the 1920s. But I would say pick someone who's broad-minded and can think, and has a heart as well as a mind. Because you can never predict what decisions the Supreme Court's going to have to face. And if you get too political or -- you're liable to be disappointed anyway, because the issues you think should dominate your selection may not be the issues that dominate the court's calendar within three year, much less five, 10, or 20 years. So I would urge him to think about somebody he will be really proud to have appointed 10 or 15 years from now. That's what I tried to do, and I went through this twice.

There are always lots of good qualified people. And the people that are your political opponents will politicize anybody you appoint anyway. So you need to stay out of that, and just I think he ought to do something, you know, when he goes to bed the night after he announces it, he'll sleep well, and he'll feel good.

ROTH: And he has right to do whatever he wants, despite all the advice.

CLINTON: Absolutely, he does. He does. Now, he's got practical considerations that he has to face. Can he get a person confirmed? There is an interesting article today about the attorney general, Mr. Gonzales, and whether he would have to recuse from too many cases because since 1974 there's been a law on the books that a Supreme Court justice has to recuse in cases if he or she was a member of the cabinet or had some other high-ranking job before they went in the court. I didn't -- I'd forgotten all about that. So all these practical things. But basically, I think there's no substitute for appointing someone you believe has got a good mind and good heart and is -- has convictions that are consistent with yours, but is open-minded to people and to facts.

Because, you know, for example, I'll just give you one little example. The other day, the Supreme Court had a case on property rights and whether the city -- a city in Connecticut could condemn the houses of 14 people that didn't want to sell out to developers. And the city said this is a public interest, because we're a poor city, we need to create the jobs. The homeowners said, what do you mean? We're poor homeowners and they're rich property owners and we're poor property owners. And one of those people that I know was a lady who lived in the same house since he was born 80 years ago.

So how do you know what -- is that a liberal or a conservative position, whichever one? I think that, you know, you just have to pick someone you think is really smart as a whip, deeply steeped in the American law, and the traditions of the Constitution, has good conviction and a good heart, and then that you trust to see the fact as they unfold.

ROTH: You mentioned heart before. As we close here, a lot of efforts. You're travelling all over the world still. How is your health?

CLINTON: The doctor says it's good. I feel great. I think they did a great job with me, and I try to eat and exercise as they tell me I should. I can't say I rest as much as they tell me I should. But otherwise, I try to do it. I feel really blessed. I'm having a wonderful time.

ROTH: Bill Clinton, former U.S. president, now the special United Nations envoy on the tsunami, thank you very much for appearing here on CNN.

Now we'll throw it back to Kyra for the latest news -- Kyra.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Richard Roth, thank you so much.

We're going to take a quick break. More LIVE FROM right after this.

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PHILLIPS: She died in the midst of an intense gun battle between her father and an LAPD SWAT team. Now grim confirmation that a Los Angeles toddler was shot by police. The release of the coroner's report touched off protest in the Los Angeles neighborhood where Suzie Pena and her father died on Sunday. That anger is erupting despite reports that Pena was using his nine-month-old baby girl as a human shield while he shot at police at the same time, and that he hit and wounded an officer before those final shots were fired.

L.A. City councilman Bernard Parks has a unique perspective on this story as a community representative and as the former chief of police in Los Angeles. He join us live.

Good to see you, sir.

BERNARD PARKS, L.A. CITY COUNCIL: Hi, Kyra. How are you doing?

PHILLIPS: It's a pleasure to have you. Under the circumstances, not a real -- not that much of a pleasure, but you know what I'm saying.

PARKS: Yes, I...

PHILLIPS: Let's first of all talk about the community, talk about these protests. We'll get to the police side of things in a moment. But as a member of city council, how are you addressing the public? How are you dealing with a public that you used to serve as their police chief?

PARKS: I think all you can do, Kyra, is go out to those community meetings, be visible, listen to the people's anguish and their pain, provide leadership in the sense -- as the mayor did a couple days ago, asking for calm, asking people to give an opportunity for this case to be thoroughly investigated. These are the kinds of things that you can do just to be visible, present, being in the community, and ensuring that nothing that the city does by rhetoric or anything else amplifies or amps up the situation.

PHILLIPS: You also know as former police chief the intensity of what it means to be a police officer in Los Angeles, specifically in Watts, where this took place. I am hearing a lot of comments from the community about the fact that this was a racial issue. I think it's very important to point out, even when you were chief and even now, this SWAT team is extremely diverse.

PARKS: Well, it's very diverse, and it's a team that I think many people are not familiar with it. It is probably one of the first, if not the first SWAT team in America. It prides itself on its tactics, its training. It's probably the most replicated operation throughout law enforcement in this nation and in the world. In fact, it's had the pride of training many of our military forces to do exactly what's going on in Iraq today, and combating and dealing with issues in an urban environment.

But I think it's an issue that is easy to attach a racial concern. But -- and it's harmful when these things are done, particularly without evidence of it. I think the details speak for themselves. The police are called to a scene by the daughter, who's involved with this situation. They arrive. They try to make sense of it. There's shooting going on. Officers are reacting to apparently an individual that's distraught, and firing and threatening to kill people.

And unfortunately, we have a toddler that was shot. And, again, it's a tragedy on a variety of levels, for the city, for the family, for the toddler, for the officer that was shot, for the officer that did the shooting. So it is not a good situation in the -- hopefully, as we move forward... PHILLIPS: Let's talk about that for a moment. You're talking about, it's not easy for any of those members involved. And probably for full disclosure, you and I should mention, we know the SWAT officer that, unfortunately, had to fire that shot. Somebody who's a father, somebody who's not taking this easily at all. As a matter of fact, the majority of the guys that were involved in this incident are fathers of young children, many of them fathers of young baby girls.

I think we should point out that it is definitely not taken lightly when this goes down. And that they're not trained to use force. They're trained to not use deadly force. And you were in support of tactical units when you were a chief.

PARKS: That's right.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about why.

PARKS: Well, I think first of all, it's not something that you see on television as though these are a bunch of cowboys that show up to the scene. These are well-trained, professional tacticians that spend their life training for these types of situation. They are the most self-critical group of officers you will find, looking for perfection. The problem is there's no perfection in dealing with human nature.

They analyze every operation. They re-train on every operation. So it's not taken lightly. Even when there's a successful outcome, they continue to critique what they've accomplish and what they've done. Their record pretty much speaks for itself. The deadly force as the department policy and as their unit is an absolute last resort because it's a very small percentage of time they actually have to fire their weapon.

PHILLIPS: And Councilman...

PARKS: And even though they're taking weapons in large numbers off the street.

PHILLIPS: And real quickly, because we've got to go to break, unfortunately. You know we could probably talk about this for a very long time. But a lot of people that are not familiar with law enforcement and the training, specifically with regard to SWAT, have been asking, why not negotiate longer? You already were negotiating with this man. And second of all, I keep hearing this shoot to injure. It's not shoot to injure, it's shoot to kill, and I'd like you to clarify why it has to be a shoot-to-kill policy. And also, at what point do you realize you can't negotiate with somebody any longer when they're firing at you and swinging their baby girl as a shield?

PARKS: Well, first of all, I think at hostage situation, the hostage-taker dictates the scenario. The fact that the officers are trying to negotiate with that person can only go on as long as that person wants to be negotiated with. Once they cut off communication, you can no longer negotiate. The other issue, when we talk about shoot to kill, shoot to injure, LAPD's policy is that you shoot to stop. You have no real deciding factor whether somebody is going to be killed. The issue is stop them from what they're doing. The department's trained to shoot at body mass so that it clearly gives you the best opportunity to strike the suspect. There's no guarantee the person is going to be killed.

And it also should be clearly aware that it is in a dynamic situation where people are moving. They're dictating the circumstances. It's almost impossible to give an officer an option to, say, only shoot a person in the leg, the foot, the arm, when no one is that proficient. This is not trick shooting. This is dealing with the real-life, and death situation where you're trying to protect the life, save a life. And when another person is shooting at you and indiscriminately firing at a location, they could be killing other people.

PHILLIPS: And no doubt -- no doubt this hasn't been easy for the family, the police department, any number of the parties involved. And I know it's going to continue, I know the protests are continuing. And so is the investigation. And we'll stay on it and we'll continue to talk to you more about.

PARKS: Well, Kyra, I appreciate you having the perspective because you came out in Los Angeles, you took the time to understand what police work is about. You bring a perspective that many of the news people do not have.

PHILLIPS: Well, it was an honor to train with that SWAT team a number of years ago. Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

PARKS: Thank you.

PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks.

We're going to take a quick break. LIVE FROM, straight ahead.

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PHILLIPS: Well, Tiger Woods is on familiar and not so familiar ground at this year's British Open. He's walked the greens of St. Andrews before, running away with the lead the last time the British Open was there. But this time, he's taking his first steps into the sand on the old course, three times so far, but don't shed any tears for Tiger. He's at six under par -- that's 66 -- and seemingly on his way to another ring.

CNN's Don Riddell joins us now live from St. Andrews with more. And I tell you what, my father's had the honor to play that course and also be in that sand. And I wish I could say the same thing, Don.

DON RIDDELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: And I'll tell you what, the weather doesn't help here, either, I must say. That's actually very good news for Tiger Woods. He went out this morning when it was dry and the breeze wasn't too bad and he managed to put a really decent round together, including a run at one point where he had seven birdies in nine holes. He really was on fire. And some of his rivals have had to go out this afternoon and play in these conditionings -- conditions, which are really worsening by the minute. And Sergio Garcia, one of his rivals, a player that some think could actually win his first major here at St. Andrews, is out with some difficult holes to play in some really difficult conditions. So good news for Tiger, I think. But he really was feeling very, very confident after his round today and is very optimistic about getting back on here tomorrow and maybe even running away with it like he did five years ago.

PHILLIPS: Well, good feelings for Tiger, but probably bittersweet moment for the Bear.

RIDDELL: Yes. He could well be playing his last round tomorrow, on Friday, in his major championship career. He shot a three over par 75 today. He obviously was hoping to be around for the weekend. And he may still be, but I suspect he'll have to shoot a below par round on Friday and that may just be beyond him at 65 years of age. But he's had a terrific reception here. Every single fairway he was on, he was getting an ovation from the crowd, many of whom have come to see him here. Record crowds expected for St. Andrews this year and Jack Nicklaus is a big reason for that.

PHILLIPS: Don Riddell, live from St. Andrews. An amazing course. We'll be watching the tournament. Thanks. Later on LIVE FROM, of course, Don will take a look at the long and impressive career of Jack Nicklaus. He's putting together a piece for us as the Golden Bear says goodbye to golf. That's coming up at 2:00 Eastern.

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PHILLIPS: "The Dukes of Hazzard" movie hits theaters in weeks. But one of the stars of the original TV series already knows he's not a fan. Ben Jones, the former Georgia congressman who played Cooter the mechanic says that the movie is a sleazy insult to the series. Jones says there's not much sex and profanity in the movie. It essentially trashes what was a family-friendly show. And he likens the new version to a remaking of "I Love Lucy" and turning Lucy into a crackhead.

Well, maybe Chappelle realized that he was no match for that crowd of cutups on Wisteria Lane. "Desperate Housewives" claimed 15 Emmy nominations today, including a nod for best comedy series. The ABC smash hit tied with NBC's sitcom will & grace with the most chances to grab some gold when the awards are handed out September 18th.

You want to know more about who is in and who is out with this year's Emmy nominations, stick around, we'll have more nomination coverage in the next hour with our own Sibila Vargas.

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PHILLIPS: Meanwhile, we want to let you know that we're expecting some type of news conference from NASA, possibly about 2:30 Eastern Time, to talk about the shuttle launch. As you know, it was scrapped yesterday and -- or scrubbed yesterday. And you know, it could take place next week. If it doesn't, that means probably September, until it will launch again. So we'll have the latest on Shuttle Discovery coming up, of course, in the next half hour or so, if indeed that happens.

Also coming up in the second hour of LIVE FROM, honoring the victims lost in London's deadly attacks. Up next, we're live with new details in that investigation.

And he spent weeks in Aruba covering the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We're going to go behind the scenes with our own Karl Penhaul as investigators try to figure out that island mystery.

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