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National Guard Provides Presence in French Quarter; Man Searches for Missing Daughters; New Orleans Police Returning to City

Aired September 07, 2005 - 13:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

KYRA PHILLIPS, HOST: Get out of town. The people who stayed through the storm are told they have to go, but will they? We're live from New Orleans.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son's alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I told you. I told you. I told you.

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PHILLIPS: And we take you to a hard-hit small town where hope is still very much alive.

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Kyra Phillips. CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

The can-do general says no-can-do when it comes to forcing New Orleans flood victims to leave. Getting an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 holdouts far away from the rancid, potentially life-threatening water is very much mission critical.

But three-star Army General Russell Honore says active duty military will not take part in the forced evacuations being ordered by New Orleans' mayor, Ray Nagin.

CNN's Alex Quade with the 1st Cavalry says troops are spreading word of a 24-hour deadline, though.

In the wake of reports E. coli bacteria has formed amid the garbage, waste and other toxins in that water, the CDC reports five deaths caused by a germ related to cholera. Four of those were in Mississippi, one in Texas.

Louisiana's levees still aren't fully repaired. And some east of New Orleans are being pierced on purpose to let the water flow south into the bayou. At the same time, five of New Orleans' 148 drainage pumps are working nonstop to try to get water back into Lake Pontchartrain.

And in Biloxi, Mississippi, aid and comfort are the stock and trade of almost 5,000 sailors and 500 Marines working from the beach there. They're taking food, water, and medicine to Katrina survivors, while patching up water and sewer systems on the side. And talk about ripple effects. The General Accounting Office estimates that Katrina will knock an much as one full percentage point off U.S. economic growth rates in the second half of 2005, while knocking 400,000 workers off the payrolls.

We're going to take you to live picture now within New Orleans, Louisiana. As you know, one of the biggest challenges for firefighters right now are these fires that are breaking out in homes and businesses.

This fire right now, I'm being told, is in the CBC, the central -- the CBC, the Central Business District, of New Orleans, Louisiana. That's basically right in the center of downtown.

And I'm told that NYPD firefighters are involved in this effort. As you know -- I can even try and see the back of the jackets there. There you go, FDNY. Amazing when you think back to 9/11 and the various firefighters that responded to New York to try to help the New York firefighters. Well, what you're seeing right now, FDNY responding to New Orleans, coming in and helping.

Matter of fact, I remember a number of people here at work saw the trucks actually coming through Atlanta on the freeways, a couple days ago, from New York. These are probably some of the same firefighters that were making their way from New York to New Orleans, to help deal with the firefighting efforts there in this city.

We've seen fires, this one in the Central Business District, but we've seen them along the Mississippi. We've seen them along uptown in the Garden District. We've seen, even when all the people were still stranded within that city, a lot of fires were being made not only by looters, but also just people trying to stay warm and to cook things and to stay alive.

And still now these fires growing bigger in some areas. This one now in the Central Business District. You see firefighters, actual live -- a live picture of the New York firefighters that are there, helping to respond to deal with the firefighting efforts. Pretty amazing pictures.

More than a week after America's worst natural disaster, in at least a century, maybe ever, New Orleans is a patchwork of dry land and high water, devastation and defiance. We've been talking about that, of course, all week.

And CNN's Karl Penhaul has sure seen it all, from the efforts on the ground to, also, the air.

Hi, Carol -- hi, Karl.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Kyra.

As you say, the controversy this morning is that order by Mayor Ray Nagin to the citizens to forcibly evacuate. There are still citizens around here in the French Quarter where we are now. The mayor says that law enforcement officials must force them out of their homes. But of course, the military high command has come out and said, "No, we'll be no part of that. We're here for humanitarian relief."

We've been following around paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne Division to find out what they've been doing. The last mission for many of these paratroopers was combat in Iraq. Now in New Orleans, they have a different fight on their hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a small amount of water concentrated in the southwest corner of the French Quarter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All the way, sir, I'm bringing 40 personnel to the fight

PENHAUL: In the past year, Sergeant Emil Walsh has gone from patrolling downtown Fallujah to making his presence felt on Bourbon Street.

STAFF SGT. EMIL WALSH, U.S. ARMY: Yes, long way from there.

PENHAUL: He doesn't like to talk too much about battling Iraqi gunmen these days.

WALSH: I don't talk about that. No. No, that's in the past. Because you can't compare what we're doing here to that.

PENHAUL: Bourbon Street's world famous for its bars and strip joints. These troopers from the 82nd Airborne Division are on a so- called presence patrol. In the coming days, they say they'll be joining in search and rescue operations for flood survivors.

WALSH: How you doing there?

PENHAUL: There's a colorful collection of storm stragglers still on the street, the ones who refuse to leave or abandon their pets. The paratroopers say residents seem upbeat. And one woman even promised them the good times would soon be rolling again.

WALSH: Well, she was pretty upbeat so I guess she saw us and was kind of happy. "Sorry no party for you today, fellows." That's -- who knows, maybe a couple days from now, have something going on.

PENHAUL: The U.S. law, the Army cannot get involved in law enforcement operations unless a governor requests it. That's why they're carrying guns, but no magazines or ammunition.

WALSH: We're trick or treating. We're just here to help. We're just presence patrol. Don't really want to do any military -- you know, just let people see us.

PENHAUL: It's not often you'd see uniformed paratroopers distributing Army rations outside Johnny White's bar, where, even at such a perilous time, patrons have been drinking since early morning. Like the sign says, it's a tavern that's never closed. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Happy hour started the moment the storm started, because we're trying to keep from frowning here. But under normal circumstances, it's all miserable.

PENHAUL: Then police sirens wail and SWAT units and armed border patrol teams take up firing positions outside a house. Not the usual sights and sounds of the French Quarter.

WALSH: The police dealing with whatever's going on. I have no clue.

PENHAUL: Tense moments, but no shots are fired.

SGT. CHIP WALNICK, U.S. ARMY: Eighty years old, low blood sugar, barricaded himself. And I guess he had a gun.

PENHAUL: It just shows how shaky nerves are, after a wave of sniper attacks in recent days.

WALNICK: Got more weapons out here than -- federal agents or something.

PENHAUL: It may not be Iraq, but these paratroopers know their disaster relief mission is going to be more of a struggle than a stroll down Bourbon Street.

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PENHAUL: Now, Kyra, we're down in the French Quarter again this morning. And just a few moments ago in fact, while that report was playing, several hundred troops rolled by in buses and also on Humvees. They were heading out towards the eastern part of the city, to carry out humanitarian tasks there, unaware at this stage what they were doing.

Here in the French Quarter itself, though, we're near the Cafe Du Monde. That's famous across America for its great coffee and for its donuts, or beignets, they're called here.

But the French Quarter itself has been relatively untouched. If we look just across the other side of the street now, you'll see some of these typical old French Quarter building. Still have the plywood up on the windows. That was hurricane protection. And a lot of those windows are still intact.

Yes, we've seen one or two trees and such down. But really, no significant flooding in this area. And really, quite little hurricane damage itself.

But, again, you were mentioning earlier, as well, those fires. And if I look straight down this street here, you're not going to see it on camera, but again, for the past 30 minutes or so, there's been a large fire blazing there. That is around the convention center area. And this is another one of latest in a wave of fires that have been ravaging the center of New Orleans. Unclear what's exactly causing those fires. Could be electrical problems. Could be some of the chemicals that have seeped into the floodwaters. It could be people starting those first. But certainly posing a huge problem for firefighters. In many cases, they're using helicopters, scooping water up from the river and just dumping them on the fires, trying to put them out like that, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, Karl, those fires that you're actually talking about, the ones you can see are in the Central Business District. We actually have a live picture of it right now. Karl Penhaul, thank you so much for that live report down there from the French Quarter.

As Karl mentioned, he can actually see the fires from where he's standing. Which makes perfect sense, because the Central Business District is not far from the French quart wear Karl Penhaul is.

And you can see right here the images, and it's amazing. We mentioned at 9/11, all the firefighters that came and responded to New York. Firefighters that we're seeing right now working this fire in the Central Business District. They are FDNY firefighters.

I've got to tell you what, that city has been pretty thrilled to see FDNY, in addition to a number of firefighters from other state, come in and help battle fires.

Well, in Houston, evacuees are eagerly awaiting the arrival of debit cards worth $2,000 each from the federal government.

CNN's Betty Nguyen is at the Astrodome now. Betty, tell us more about those credit cards and also those inside the Astrodome and how they're doing.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, there are a lot of developments to tell you about out here today, Kyra.

No. 1, those debit cards. Many people have been hearing about them being available. At this point, we've spoken to so many people who've said they just can't simply find them. Well, here's what we've learned.

Ed Connelly with FEMA has told us that the $2,000 debit cards are available. But they're hoping -- they are hoping -- to get them out today. So there's a process that's taking place now, and hopefully, those debit cards will be distributed today.

Also, something else that's taking place today: children, evacuees, are being registered and enrolled into the Houston Independent School District. Some 13,000 seats are available within the school district and students are being enrolled today. That's a big relief for parents, who definitely want to have students not only in school but to get all of this off their mind so they can start concentrating on learning.

But amid all of this there are still those looking for loved ones. And we have a gentleman with us right now. His name is Sidney Pierre from New Orleans. Sidney, tell us who you're looking for.

SIDNEY PIERRE SR., LOOKING FOR DAUGHTERS: OK, I'm looking for my two daughters, Trellis and Mallory Pierre.

NGUYEN: and how did you get disconnected from them?

PIERRE: OK. Well, before the storm, the day before the storm, they were evacuating to Mississippi, somewhere in that area. And I was going to stay and ride it out in one of the shelters.

NGUYEN: You decided to stay and ride it out?

PIERRE: Yes. And I was placed in one of the local shelters, the Louisiana Superdome, and that's how we got displaced.

NGUYEN: And once you went to the Superdome, that was it. You haven't had contact with them at all?

PIERRE: No, I haven't. I have their cell phones. But they're not working, you know, from a distance. And I'm hoping that they can enroll themselves on eBay, because I have a web site there. And they can contact me there.

NGUYEN: What about the registry that's being set up out here? Is that working at all?

PIERRE: I hear it's doing good. I hear it's doing good.

NGUYEN: But you haven't been able to make any contact?

PIERRE: Not yet. Not yet. I'm still hopeful.

NGUYEN: Are you worried that maybe they didn't make it out?

PIERRE: I'm hopeful that they made it out and they're safe, OK?

NGUYEN: And plus you want them to know that you made it out.

PIERRE: Right.

NGUYEN: OK.

PIERRE: I'm just trying to be positive and to let them know that I'm here looking for them and hopefully, they'll show up.

NGUYEN: Well, let's give out that number. You got a brand-new cell phone today, because you lost your old one.

PIERRE: Yes, ma'am.

NGUYEN: The number that they can call you -- hopefully someone will see this and tell them -- is 832-212-6464.

PIERRE: OK.

NGUYEN: I'm saying the number, because you don't have it memorized just yet.

PIERRE: I just got it.

NGUYEN: You just got it today.

PIERRE: Appreciate you doing that.

NGUYEN: You're putting your life back together. And one other thing that's happened today, you got to meet Bill Cosby out here.

PIERRE: Yes, yes, Bill was very instrumental in talking to the people and giving us some hope.

NGUYEN: Was he uplifting? What did he say?

PIERRE: He said keep the faith, we are people and we can make it.

NGUYEN: And you're making it?

PIERRE: I'm trying.

NGUYEN: Well, we wish you the best of luck and hopefully you can find your two daughters, Trellis and Mallory Pierre.

PIERRE: Yes, ma'am.

NGUYEN: Thank you so much. Best of luck to you.

PIERRE: Sure, I appreciate the help.

NGUYEN: Absolutely.

PIERRE: Thank you.

NGUYEN: And for all of those out there who are looking for loved ones, there is an 800 number that you can call. It's the Red Cross Family Links line. I'll give you that number right now. It is 1-877- LOVED-1S. That's L-O-V-E-D-1 and an "S."

Now, we just got a phone call I heard as I was saying this. Let's see if Sidney has got a call from one of his loved ones.

PIERRE: It was my brother telling me he's OK.

NGUYEN: He's OK.

PIERRE: He's in the Superdome.

NGUYEN: So your brother is OK?

PIERRE: Yes, he's OK.

NGUYEN: Well, that's good news. At least it's getting out there. Best of luck to you in finding your daughters.

PIERRE: Thank you. Thank you very much.

And of course, there's another bit of information that I want to tell you about today, as well. We have learned from Lieutenant Joe Connelly with the U.S. Coast Guard that he hopes to have all four shelters closed by next Sunday. Not this coming Sunday, but the next Sunday.

Now in doing so, he has to find homes for the thousands of people who have been living here. But he's very hopeful. And it's his own personal goal. This is Lieutenant Joe Leonard with the Coast Guard...

PIERRE: Hello?

NGUYEN: ... that he can get homes for everyone out here by a week from Sunday -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Now Betty, I hear that Sidney's phone keeps ringing. That's like the third time there.

NGUYEN: It does, it's ringing off the hook.

PHILLIPS: I know. Is there anyone else on the phone there? Does he have anything else to tell us?

NGUYEN: Who is it this time, Sidney?

PIERRE: Hello?

NGUYEN: He's answering now.

PHILLIPS: OK.

PIERRE: Yes. It's my friend, and she's OK too.

NGUYEN: He's learning from a friend that she is OK, too. So obviously...

PHILLIPS: Oh, my gosh.

NGUYEN: ... the power of television.

PHILLIPS: It's working.

NGUYEN: It is working.

PIERRE: It's working, it's working.

NGUYEN: And he's so excited. You can see the smile on his face.

PIERRE: I hope to get some news from my daughters...

NGUYEN: We hope you do, too.

PHILLIPS: Tell him to answer that phone! And you know what? While he answers...

NGUYEN: Keep answering the phone.

PHILLIPS: ... the phone there. And, Betty, OK, Sidney Pierre Sr. And he's still looking for Trellis and Mallory, right?

NGUYEN: Mallory Pierre, that's correct, his two daughters...

PHILLIPS: OK.

PIERRE: Yes, who is this?

PHILLIPS: Who is this?

PIERRE: Javon? Who you want to speak to, Javon?

NGUYEN: Someone named Javon.

PHILLIPS: Yes. He might get random phone call too, exactly. And you know what? We should probably say that, Betty. You know, obviously, we're putting his cell phone out there, and there's probably a lot of people desperate people that are going to want to call that cell phone. And we ask all of our viewers, please don't take advantage of that phone number. But of course Sidney, looking for his two daughters, right?

NGUYEN: Absolutely. Well, you're right about that, because we do have to tell everyone that if you want to put your number out there, be prepared for all the calls like he keeps getting that are going to come your way.

PIERRE: Hello?

NGUYEN: And you know what? Every one that we've spoken to has said, "I don't care. I want to find my loved one, so put it out there."

PHILLIPS: All right. Well, I'll tell you what: Sidney Pierre Sr.'s number is 832-212-6464. And his daughters are Trellis and Mallory, right?

NGUYEN: That's correct.

PHILLIPS: OK...

NGUYEN: Call him.

PHILLIPS: There you go. Let him know that you're out there. And keep us updated, will you, Betty? You want to keep checking in with us.

NGUYEN: Absolutely.

PHILLIPS: All right. Thank you so much. Betty Nguyen there at the Astrodome. Pretty amazing. It is incredible when you watch the power of news. And network news. My goodness. Sidney already hearing from a relative and also a friend. Well, back in Washington, the White House is looking to Congress for another $50 billion in short-term hurricane relief, while Congress bickers over whom to hold responsible over for what the government's done so far.

CNN's Ed Henry checks in now from Capitol Hill -- Ed.

ED HENRY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Breaking news, you're right. In fact, we've now confirmed two important developments.

First of all, the money you spoke about. CNN has now learned from two congressional sources that, in fact, the administration is now going to request $51.8 billion more in emergency funds for Katrina relief. That is on top of the $10 billion that Congress approved last week.

I can also tell you that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told CNN earlier today that he expects the overall price tag, when all is said and done, could reach somewhere between $100 billion and $200 billion.

Secondly, CNN has just confirmed that moments ago Senator Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have agreed in principle on a deal that will launch a joint investigation by the House and Senate looking into what went wrong. We don't have any more details on exactly how it will play out. But they have just crafted that deal a moment ago.

Meanwhile, some developments, as well, on the blame game that we've heard so much about over the last couple of days. A double- barreled attack, really, from the Democratic leaders here in the House and Senate.

First of all, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid has now fired off a letter, basically demanding that any Senate investigation of this entire matter take a look at whether or not President Bush's vacation in Texas may have played a role in the slow response by the federal government. That is sure to get a lot of reaction from Republicans, as you can imagine.

And also a short while ago, the House Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi, poured a little gasoline on this fire at a press conference marking the upcoming fourth anniversary -- the upcoming fourth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

She tied that tragedy to the hurricane tragedy, charging that, whether it's New York or New Orleans, the Bush administration has not protected enough American lives.

I pressed Nancy Pelosi and asked her how she responds to the president, who said yesterday that this blame game is actually undermining the rescue efforts. The focus should be there.

Pelosi responded by ratcheting her attack up on the president personally, saying that he showed poor judgment by hiring Michael Brown as the FEMA director. And she then recounted a conversation she had with the president yesterday at the White House. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: He chose someone with absolutely no credentials. And you know what? When I said to the president that he should fire Michael Brown, he said, "Why would I do that?"

I said, 'Because of all that went wrong, with all that didn't go right last week."

And he said, "What didn't go right?"

Oblivious, in denial. Dangerous.

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HENRY: You can hear that right there, Nancy Pelosi basically suggesting that the commander in chief is dangerous to the American people with the policies that they've put in place like picking, in particular, this FEMA director.

Republicans have been outraged at this kind of rhetoric. And earlier today, a Republican congressman, Joe Bonner of Alabama, whose state was actually hard-hit, obviously, by the storm, reacted to some of these comments.

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REP. JOE BONNER (R), ALABAMA: Coming back to Washington, there's been a lot of finger-pointing, a lot of assessment, a lot of trying to lay the finger of blame on someone's doorstep. And this congressman, representing my constituents, would just urge patience and also urge a prompt but an appropriate response.

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HENRY: Even as they urge no finger-pointing, though, Republicans here on the hill are pointing the fingers by saying that rather than focusing on the federal government response, people should also take a close look at the local and state government response in Louisiana. They think there were some short-falls there, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, and local and state officials, too, Ed, that should have been pushing a lot harder to get the funds in there years ago, when this project to fix the levees and the flood protection programs. And those should have been finished years ago.

Ed Henry from the Hill there, thank you so much. We'll continue to check in.

More LIVE FROM after a quick break.

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PHILLIPS (voice-over): Next on LIVE FROM...

MAYOR RAY NAGIN, NEW ORLEANS: Because it's a health risk. There are toxins in the water.

PHILLIPS: But exactly what is in the water? We'll show you scientists' disturbing discoveries in the flood.

Doctors to the rescue. They rode out the storm, caring for the sick in New Orleans. Now, they want to head back to help. Dr. Norman McSwain (ph) joins me with his amazing story.

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PHILLIPS: Want to take you back now to downtown and the streets of New Orleans. Our Rick Sanchez is there, talking about the evacuations, a little more -- in a little more in depth. We've been talking about them throughout the day.

And that the military has stepped up, General Russell Honore, saying, "Look, we're not going to take part in these mandatory evacuations." So now the New Orleans Police Department are having to do this. Some even saying they really don't feel that good about having to tell people they have to go.

Rick, what's -- I mean, how strong has this enforcement been? Are they really pushing people to get out of there or are they just giving verbal warnings?

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT/ANCHOR: Kyra, CNN can now report that New Orleans Police Department are willing to go in and forcibly extricate people from their homes if needed. And, further on, they go on to say that they're willing to do so within the next couple of days.

Obviously, as they explained to us, they're going to try to go in there and talk to people and explain to them the danger of the situation there and that things are not going to get any better for them. But when I asked them, and I'm talking about Captain Marlin Fitzwillow (ph), spokesman for the New Orleans Police Department.

And I said, point blank, "Just to be clear, if the people say 'I'm not willing to go,' are you then willing to go in there and forcibly remove them from their homes if you have to?"

He said, "Yes, we will."

I asked him, "Are you going to wait for the waters to recede?"

He said, "No, we're not."

I said, "When do you expect this could happen?"

He said, "Probably within the next couple of days."

I asked him, "Has anyone been forcibly removed to this point?"

He said, "No, they have not." PHILLIPS: Now, Rick, where will they go? If they go in there, force them to go with them, I mean, what -- if they resist, are they going to handcuff them? How are they going to take them out of there? Where are they going to go?

SANCHEZ: That's a good question, Kyra. I asked him that very question, about, are you going to handcuff them, are these people going to be under arrest? Have they violated any laws?

He said, "Absolutely not. We will forcibly remove them. We will put them on a helicopter. We will take them to a shelter. And we will make sure that they are taken care of, that they get three square meals, that they get water and medical attention."

He said, "We're not here to arrest these people. We just feel like it's important at this point to be able to make this decision, because it's getting in the way of the operation that we are trying to do."

And they really do consider it to be a health hazard. One police officer told me moments ago, off the record, when I grabbed him aside and asked him, "Are you willing to do this?"

He goes, "Yes, I am."

I said, "Well, do you feel uncomfortable removing your own fellow citizens from this area?"

He said, "Mo. Because as these waters recede the things that they will see under there will become more dangerous, and I feel like I might be saving their lives."

PHILLIPS: Well, Rick, do you have a sense for how many New Orleans police officers are back and working in that city? I actually finally got through to a couple of them that I know well from when I lived and worked there. Two of them had stayed in there throughout the whole time. They said it was just horrendous, they've never seen anything like it. But they hung in there and now they're continuing to work.

And then some that had to go because of big families, are now coming back in to help.

So does it look like the force is growing? Is it getting stronger with regard to support from the NOPD?

Reporter: it certainly appears, Kyra. They're trying to put the best face on a very difficult situation. I was just over at city hall. I saw many of the officers. It seems to me that their spirits are, well, as good as could be expected.

They're wearing their uniforms. They're patrolling the city. I don't know -- I can't quantify it. I don't know exactly what the numbers are.

But it seems to me that the crews are on the street, cleaning up the street. They're trying to get electricity and water back into this area, at least attempting to. And as that word filters back to them, they start feeling pretty good about it, too.

Other stories we're hearing is that police officers who do have homes are letting other officers share those facilities with them. So there's a lot of co-opting going on in the area of New Orleans, with officers trying to hang on.

Let's be clear about one thing, though. Because I don't want to leave a false impression as to what the National Guard -- our colleague, Barbara Starr, has reported earlier today that the National Guard is unwilling to go in and forcibly either, A, starve people out of their homes, or, B, extricate them by force. In other word, physically removing them. That's what the National Guard is saying. That's what Honore, I believe is saying; that's what Barbara Starr has been saying.

They're not saying they won't take part in the evacuation. They just don't want to be involved in the physical part of the evacuation. Nor do they want to be seen as harming any fellow citizens.

PHILLIPS: As can't be easy, any way you look at it. Rick Sanchez, downtown New Orleans, thank you so much.

Straight ahead, victims of Hurricane Katrina getting a break from some of their creditors. Details on that straight ahead.

Plus, dignity for the dead. How officials are handling a grim reality of Hurricane Katrina.

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