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Police: Wife Confesses to Murder of Tennessee Pastor; Interview With Mike Wallace and Poet Rose Styron; Stock Markets Prepared For Potential Bird Flu Pandemic?
Aired March 24, 2006 - 15:00 ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: She was the well-regarded wife of a small-town preacher, a mother, and a substitute teacher. That was Wednesday. Today, Mary Winkler is an accused killer, having confessed, police say, to the murder of her husband.
With the latest on the shocking story, CNN's Rick Sanchez in Selmer, Tennessee.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: People in Selmer, Tennessee, can't fathom that information that you just shared with your viewers, because she's 5'3''. She's 120 pounds. She's and a preacher's wife.
So, yesterday, when some of the church members went actually inside of the parsonage, the place where the minister lived with his wife and their three daughters, they knocked on the door. They went inside. They finally got to the bedroom. And there they found him. He was lying dead on the floor.
He had been shot in the back. And the fist thing they thought is: The family must have been abducted, because we can't find them anywhere.
Little did they think, at that point, that, in fact, Mary Winkler could possibly be accused by police of something as seemingly heinous this.
But it appears now, Kyra, that's exactly what police are saying. And they're saying, in fact, that she has now confessed to the crime.
Here now, Officer Rickman earlier today.
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ROGER RICKMAN, SELMER, TENNESSEE, POLICE DEPARTMENT: March 22, 2006, the body of Matthew Winkler was found in his home in Selmer, Tennessee. Mr. Winkler had been shot.
On March the 23rd, 2006, the deceased's wife, Mary Carol (ph) Winkler, was apprehended by law enforcement officers in Orange Beach ,Alabama. According to agents of the Alabama Bureau of Investigation, Mary Winkler has confessed to the murder of her husband, Matthew Winkler, shooting him on March the 22nd, 2006, leaving Selmer with her three daughters.
(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: Interestingly enough, throughout the day yesterday, she was being called a person of interest, because police were saying they just wanted to talk to her, because they figured that she had some information that they may be able to -- to use in this case.
It wasn't until last night that police officials called us aside and said: We found her. We found her in Alabama through an Amber Alert. A local patrolman there spotted the car, saw them, called police, and called officials here with the TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations, and that's when the police were able to send some more agents down there, who have interviewed her throughout the course of the night, and into the morning as well.
And it's through those interviews that, finally, as police say, she has indeed confessed to the crime. But, of course, one of the big -- one of the big questions now, Kyra, is, you know, the -- the -- the children. What did they see? What is going to become of them? And that's something that police are working out as well -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Rick Sanchez, thanks so much.
Well, another chapter closed for Ashley Smith. The man accused of stabbing her husband, Mack, to death is on his way to prison. Smith was in the courtroom yesterday when a jury found, Corey Blaine Coggins killed -- guilty. He was immediately sentenced to life in prison, with a chance of parole. The case went unsolved for more than four years. It was reopened after Smith was taken hostage by alleged Atlanta courthouse shooter Brian Nichols.
Well, a Pennsylvania woman has a lot to say today. And she should. Her life for the past 10 years has been defined by fear, silence and abuse, her mysterious disappearance in 1996, her equally mysterious life since then. The pieces of Tanya Kach's puzzle are slowly falling into place now.
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TANYA NICOLE KACH, MISSING FOR 10 YEARS: I was just looking for love, and not -- you know, I didn't -- I was going through a rough time, you know, teenage years.
And then I met him. And he was like: "You know, don't worry. You know. I love you. I will take care of you."
I was in a room, a bedroom, for 10 years. I didn't see the light of day. I mean -- I mean, I did, through the windows, but didn't go out, didn't see people.
I started reading books. And I would have to turn the TV down real low, turn the radio down real low. And, then, he finally got a TV that I could put headphones in and -- and the radio where I can put headphones in, you know?
And I just sat around. Sometimes, I would go to sleep in the afternoon, just to pass the time. There were times when I would -- I would threaten to leave, and there were times he threatened to kill me, just -- not many. Then, there were times he would pull a guilt trip on me.
For four years, I wore hand-me-downs from him and his son for a year -- for up -- until 2000. And, then, after all those years, I guess, you know, I was a little unrecognizable. I could go out and -- every now and then, and buy clothes.
I mean, I went out here and there from 2000 on, but it was few and far between. But to actually be out and talk to people, it was a luxury for me. I like people. I like talking to people. But I couldn't say nothing.
But, finally, they -- they kept pursuing it, which meant they cared. And (INAUDIBLE) I broke down and then I had to tell them. But I asked them: Don't let me be on the streets. I just want my dad and my mom and my family.
I didn't get to go to school. I didn't graduate. I didn't have sweet 16. I didn't get to go to the prom. I didn't get to (INAUDIBLE) real life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: Asleep at the wheel, the sobering conclusion of investigators working a 2004 crash, a midday crash on the Washington metro system. A train rolled backwards for more than a minute and collided with another train. Twenty people were hurt. No one was killed. Investigators say the driver failed to put on the brakes because he had very likely dozed off after working a lot of extra shifts.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirty-five (INAUDIBLE) thirty-seven (INAUDIBLE) four thousand.
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PHILLIPS: Well, that's the sound of a crooked congressman's ill- gotten goods on the auction block.
Antiques, rugs and other items given to Randy "Duke" Cunningham in return for congressional favors were sold yesterday for almost $100,000. Cunningham admits taking more than $2 million in bribes from defense contractors. He's now serving eight years in prison.
Norman Kember is exactly where he wants to be right now: out of Iraq. The 47-year-old peace activist and two others are savoring their freedom, a day after U.S. and British troops rescued them in Baghdad.
They were kidnapped four months earlier, but a spokeswoman says they were not mistreated. Kember is on his way back to Britain -- no word on when the other two will go home to Canada.
Of course, not every hostage drama ends happily. An American was among those activists killed in November. Tom Fox's body was found in Baghdad earlier this month. He has apparently been tortured.
It's not that hard for a Westerner to come to grieve in Iraq.
But CNN's Nic Robinson has the story of one lucky man who survived his brush with captivity.
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NIC ROBERTSON, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is how you get kidnapped in Baghdad: a wrong turn, an empty street, two cars speeding at yours.
PHIL SANDS, KIDNAPPED JOURNALIST: Immediately, you know what is going to happen. And you know you are in big trouble.
ROBERTSON: It's a terrifying moment, as freelance journalist Phil Sands knows, when you realize you are a kidnap target. Sands was trying to work under the radar -- no security, just a translator, sometimes a driver -- all the while, pushing to report from the middle of events.
SANDS: I suppose it's the arrogance and always thinking well, I will be -- I will be smart enough, I will be sensible enough, and I will be lucky enough to make it work.
ROBERTSON: Last December, Sands sensed the situation had taken a terrible turn for the worse when he visited a Baghdad hospital.
SANDS: There was a really nice doctor there, and she said to me, what are you doing here? This place is hell. Iraq is hell now.
ROBERTSON: It was too dangerous to stay, but Sands wanted one last story.
The day after Christmas, with his translator and his driver, they went out to find it. And of course, when they made that wrong turn, Sands himself would become the subject of that last story.
Almost before he knew it, Sands was pulled out of his car, put in the trunk of another.
SANDS: It was a kidnapping. It was done extremely effectively and very quickly. I was handcuffed behind my back and with plastic zip-ties.
ROBERTSON: In the trunk, blindfolded, he panicked, thought about his family, his translator, himself.
SANDS: In my mind, I was dead. I -- I really believed that. In a way, that's quite liberating, because you can't get any lower than that.
ROBERTSON: As Sands recounts it, he was taken to a house. He was questioned. When he said he was a journalist, his captors told him he wouldn't be harmed. He told them how to get online to see his stories in "The San Francisco Chronicle," proof he was a reporter. (On camera): What followed were several days of tedium and terror, with a twist of the absurd. The Sunni insurgents, who wanted the Americans out of Iraq, often treated him kindly, once taking him at gunpoint to a 20-foot pit. He thought he was about to be shot. Instead, they forced him to do aerobics, to keep him healthy.
SANDS: They would consistently try and get me to eat more. It was almost like being at your grandmother's. I mean: "Eat more. Eat more. You know, you're thin. Why are you so thin?"
ROBERTSON (voice-over): But always looming, he feared the day they would tell him it's time to make his hostage tape.
SANDS: I had hoped that they saw me as enough of a human being that they would shoot me, instead of behead me.
ROBERTSON: And, then, unexpectedly, on his fifth night, his ordeal suddenly came the an end.
SANDS: And then the door just kind of exploded open. And, very quickly, two American soldiers were coming into the room. And, as this young soldier lifted his flashlight into my face, he obviously saw that I wasn't an Iraqi. And I said to him: "I'm a British journalist. I was kidnapped."
ROBERTSON: Thirty minutes later, Phil Sands was on a helicopter, and, with his typical British reserve, thanking his rescuers.
SANDS: I sat there and said: "Gentlemen, it's very nice to see you all. And I would just like to thank you, because I think you saved my life. And happy new year. One of them said: "Hi. You know, happy new year. It's really nice to have you back safely. Of course, we didn't know you were even missing."
ROBERTSON: He had been kidnapped, and no one knew about it. His parents, on vacation, hadn't been checking in. His contacts, in the newspapers, also off for Christmas and New Year's.
Back home now in England, and far from Iraq, Phil Sands knows he has little comfort to offer the family of kidnapped Journalist Jill Carroll, who has now been held for almost 80 days.
SANDS: My eyes were open, and I did it anyway. And, yes, then it's just a case of you can decide, well, that's either -- again, if you want to simplify it, that's either a noble and a good thing, or it's just stupid. You know, that's journalism. That's it, isn't it?
ROBERTSON: His last story there was his own story -- a story about a very lucky man.
Nic Robertson, CNN, Baghdad.
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PHILLIPS: Straight ahead: Roses are red. Violets are blue. We have poet Rose Styron and Mike Wallace, too. (LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: They are both going to kill me for how tacky that was. Find out why it's rhyme time for both of them -- straight ahead on LIVE FROM.
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PHILLIPS: Well, the poet Rilke put it perfectly: "For poems are not, as people think, simply emotions. They are for experiences."
For a writer, jotting down emotions, feelings, experiences on paper is often easier than speaking them. And the best part is, you can go back and read about those moments in time again and again and again.
My next guests know what I'm talking about. Poet Rose Styron and journalist Mike Wallace are not only best friends; they're writers. And they're joining forces for National Poetry Month to raise awareness and money for the Academy of American Poets.
It's great to have you both.
MIKE WALLACE, "60 MINUTES": It's a great pleasure to be with you, Kyra.
(LAUGHTER)
ROSE STYRON, POET: It sure is.
PHILLIPS: Well, Rose...
STYRON: You look wonderful.
PHILLIPS: Oh, you guys look terrific, too. And I -- I saw you talking during the break and holding hands. And this is an exciting time, I know, for both of you, Rose, especially, because this is a big event for you.
Just give our viewers a little bit of a background of -- of what inspired you to become a poet.
STYRON: The language of poetry spoke to me better than the language of prose and the language of math. And I just -- as a child...
WALLACE: What's that? The language of poetry is what?
(LAUGHTER)
STYRON: It just spoke to me a lot better. It's a very special language. It's inspiring. It's fun. It's healing. It's passion- making. It's whatever.
WALLACE: And your husband is not a poet. He's a novelist.
STYRON: But he loves poetry. And he can quote it better than I can.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: Yes, I mean, come on. Bill -- Bill wrote "Sophie's Choice." But -- but Rose has books...
WALLACE: That's right.
PHILLIPS: ... of poetry. It's so romantic, Mike.
WALLACE: I -- I know it. I know it.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: Well, Mike, you -- you know, we know you as a journalist, but -- but you also appreciate poetry tremendously. You know it's important to literature and culture.
Rose has been a beautiful influence on you in that way, yes?
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: Rose has been a great influence on me in all kinds of ways, I'm happy to say.
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: You remember?
(LAUGHTER)
STYRON: I wouldn't talk about it aloud.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: The...
WALLACE: But she -- she's a great poet. And we live close to each other summertimes up in Martha's Vineyard. And she has written a poem about -- tell us about the Shenandoah.
STYRON: The Shenandoah is a beautiful, beautiful ship, which comes in full sail every week past Mike's and my shorefront houses, going out to sea to other islands and -- who knows -- to other worlds.
WALLACE: And...
STYRON: And we admire it.
WALLACE: And -- and the kids, kids climb aboard, and they teach them about sailing.
STYRON: They do. All the Vineyard elementary school kids, as well as high school kids, get a turn at learning, sailing on this beautiful old brigantine that was reconstructed on the Vineyard by two Vineyard brothers.
WALLACE: And...
PHILLIPS: And this...
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: This is one of those moments in time, Mike, right, that inspired Rose to write one of your favorite poems, correct?
WALLACE: That's correct, called "Shenandoah."
And I'm going to read it now, if I may.
PHILLIPS: Please.
WALLACE: "September."
And, incidentally, we have a picture of the Shenandoah on our wall in the living room in the Vineyard, and underneath this poem.
"September, and the Shenandoah fantasy of brigantines" -- let's take it again.
"September, and the Shenandoah, fantasy of brigantines, sails to windward. Grandly down the real horizon points her prow and disappears in Vineyard Haven. We, bereft on docks and lawns, dream a last voyage, watch her go, taking summer with her now."
It's a sad -- it's a sad poem. It's a beautiful poem. It's a beautiful ship. But that's the end of summer. And when the Shenandoah disappears around the corner, summer is over.
PHILLIPS: Well, and the summers...
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: Maybe we should set the scene.
Rose, the summers for you and the Wallaces and the Buchwalds, for years and years, has been a beautiful place for you to come, very much your sanctuary, where all of you told stories, and inspired each other, and wrote poems, and played tennis, and thought of story ideas, right, Rose?
STYRON: That's right.
WALLACE: Who are those people, Rose?
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: There's you and...
STYRON: Oh, my God. Look what she's showing. WALLACE: Oh.
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: Artie Buchwald and his cigar, and...
(CROSSTALK)
STYRON: And you and me and -- is it Art and Lucy Hackney?
WALLACE: Threat's correct.
STYRON: After one of our Hay Cup (ph) tennis matches?
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: You can't forget the surprise anniversary party here.
WALLACE: Well.
STYRON: Oh, that's right.
WALLACE: Can I read a funny poem that I love?
PHILLIPS: Well, it's -- it's up to Rose.
Rose, is it OK?
STYRON: Of course it's OK.
PHILLIPS: OK. Tell us who the poet is, Mike.
WALLACE: It's -- it's by...
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: It's by A.E. Stallings. And I haven't a clue who he is. But this is...
PHILLIPS: Rose...
WALLACE: ... a funny poem.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: OK.
WALLACE: "Why should the devil get all the good tunes, the booze and the neon and Saturday night, the swaying in darkness, the lovers like spoons? Why should the devil get all the good tunes?"
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: "Does he hum them to while away sad afternoons and the long, lonesome Sundays, or sing them for spite? Why should the devil get all the good tunes, the booze, and the neon, and Saturday night?" PHILLIPS: You know, I hear...
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: I hear that poem, Rose. And, for some reason, it's very easy to understand why Mike would like that piece of -- of poetry.
WALLACE: Exactly.
STYRON: I like it, too.
(LAUGHTER)
STYRON: I think it's...
(CROSSTALK)
STYRON: I don't know who he is, either, but I think it's swell.
WALLACE: Yes.
STYRON: We should know him.
PHILLIPS: Well, I know...
STYRON: That's the great thing, is that people we don't know are writing poetry and publishing poetry all over America.
PHILLIPS: And Emily Dickinson is one for your favorites, right, Rose? STYRON: Yes.
PHILLIPS: What has she done for our culture?
STYRON: She's sort of the mother of American poetry.
Maybe Walt Whitman is the father. We -- since it's National Poetry Month -- and the Academy of American Poets has put out a wonderful poster. It quotes some marvelous people who are poets.
T.S. Elliot: "April is the cruelest month, breeding lilacs out of dead rain."
Theodore Roethke: "I wake to sleep and take my waking slow. I learn by going where I have to go."
There are lots of wonderful poems. But Emily Dickinson, who has lots of short poems and long poems, just captures the essence of the moment of what we're feeling.
And I would like to read just a couple stanzas of a poem of hers which is not her most famous poem, but speak to me in these troubled, uncertain seasons, where America's reputation and her feeling for human dignity, I think, are in question.
PHILLIPS: Let's hear it.
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: We would love to hear it.
STYRON: All right.
I just will do the first and last verse. And it can be to a lover, to friendship, to peace, whatever.
"If you were coming in the fall, I'd brush the summer by with half-a-smile and half-a-spurn, as housewives do a fly. But now, all ignorant of the length Of time's uncertain wing, it goads me, like the goblin bee, that will not state its sting."
STYRON: That's sort of like Mike. You would never know.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: He -- he does give us a little sting now and then, doesn't he?
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: Have we got time for one poem that I would like to -- to her?
PHILLIPS: Yes. You're dedicating this to Rose?
WALLACE: Read to her, dedicating it to Rose.
PHILLIPS: OK.
Rose, this was an unexpected surprise.
WALLACE: Yes. Oh.
(CROSSTALK)
WALLACE: "Fighting Words" is the name of this poem.
"Say my love is easy had. Say I'm bitten raw with pride. Say I am too often sad. Still, behold me at your side. Say I'm neither brave, nor young. Say I woo and coddle care. Say the devil touched my tongue. Still, you have my heart to wear. But say my verses do not scan, and I get me another man."
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: You know what? We are actually...
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: We're -- we are seeing a different side here, aren't we, Rose?
STYRON: Yes, we are.
(LAUGHTER)
STYRON: And I like it.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: And what did -- what did you get from that, Rose?
STYRON: A tweak.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: A tweak and a twinge.
The event is "Poetry and the Creative Mind." And you can go on to poets.org to find out all about this event.
And where will the money go, Rose?
STYRON: It will go to all the programs that the American of American Poets does for educating children, educating teachers, supporting poets. They have a huge Web site, where you can find any poem you want from around the world.
And it has one million hits from around the world. And it needs the support for its awards and everything that it's trying to teach us, and to spread the influence of poetry, especially to kids. They're distributing 30,000 books next week for April to poets who are teaching -- teachers who are teaching poetry in middle schools around the country, because it's so important that kids get the language of poetry early. It helps understand people around the world of different cultures and different faiths, who all know their own heritage and their poetry by heart.
PHILLIPS: Which makes it perfect that, Mike, you're going to read some Langston Hughes that night of the event, right, one of our favorites.
WALLACE: Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm.
PHILLIPS: Well, we can't wait.
April 4 is the date. You can still buy tickets. You can hear Mike, a little Langston Hughes, and a few other surprises -- and, of course, Rose hosting the event.
Thank you both so much. What an absolute pleasure and honor.
STYRON: Thank you, Kyra.
WALLACE: Thanks, Kyra...
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: Oh. STYRON: ... wonderful.
WALLACE: ... very much.
PHILLIPS: Thank you.
STYRON: You're nice to have us.
PHILLIPS: It was wonderful.
Rose and Mike, love you both.
We're going to take a quick break -- more LIVE FROM right after this.
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PHILLIPS: Wall Street counts its chicken before a possible pandemic hatches, inoculating stock portfolios against bird flu -- when LIVE FROM returns.
So, do you work with a killjoy or maybe someone who has smiles to your face, but stabs to your back? What is your biggest pet peeve about your co-workers? E-mail us at LIVEFROM@CNN.com, because we are going to talk with a couple office experts. We will tell you how to get the colleagues who bug you most right off your back.
Paul Karen (ph), one of our favorite employees here in the newsroom -- Paul, what drives you nuts?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That co-worker who may sit next to you or walk next to you and, especially during flu season, they may sneeze or something and not use the best capability to catch all that. And it's like scattershot, and you're germified, whether you like it or not.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: Where are your Lysol wipes? You have always got six -- six bottles of those things.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mop down my desk every day, Because I have turned into such a germaphobe, especially during flu season.
PHILLIPS: And the stress has taken all of Paul's hair.
Paul Karen (ph), we love you.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: We are going to take a quick break.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had to get a hair jab in, didn't you?
How about anchors who get on desk editors?
PHILLIPS: We will be... (LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's my pet peeve.
PHILLIPS: We will be right back.
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PHILLIPS: A three-year-old girl in Cambodia, a 29-year-old woman in China, both killed by bird flu -- one hundred and five people have now died of bird flu, out of 186 total known cases of human infection.
There have been no cases of bird flu reported in the U.S. in either birds or humans.
Bad news for poultry turns to bad news for rabbits in India. As the bird flu scare intensifies, so does the demand for rabbit meat. Rabbit is a delicacy in the state of Kerala, where the trend is a boom for a business run largely by women.
The business side of bird flu is getting Wall Street's attention. Three years ago, Asian markets took a 10 percent hit from the SARS scare. So, analysts are already thinking of ways to immunize portfolios against a potential bird flu pandemic.
CNN's Ali Velshi perched in our Washington bureau...
ALI VELSHI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hah!
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: ... with more. Sorry.
VELSHI: Do you want to know what my pet peeve is about -- about working here?
PHILLIPS: I would love to know what your pet peeve is.
VELSHI: My pet peeve is, this is the third time you have put me on your show after Mike Wallace.
(LAUGHTER)
VELSHI: Talk about setting people up for disappointment.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: I'm sorry. No, it's from one genius to another. It's a perfect segue.
VELSHI: From TV icon to...
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: TV...
VELSHI: Yes.
PHILLIPS: ... almost icon.
VELSHI: Yes, one day.
PHILLIPS: Up-and-coming icon.
VELSHI: Kyra, the -- the markets have risk, right? If you invest in the -- in the stock market, everybody knows, there's a not a guaranteed return. You invest, and you invest in companies with risk.
A lot of that is market risk, what happens to the market in general. A lot of it is company risk, what happens to a specific company. But now, in the last several years, we have gotten used to event risk, like terrorism and bird flu, things that happen to a market that wouldn't have been in the plan and you wouldn't have foreseen.
And, increasingly, a lot of the -- the -- the financial houses on Wall Street have been advising their clients about how to think about bird flu and -- and whether it comes to America, how people react to it.
Now remember, that there are lots of scenarios about how bird flu could affect Americans. It might not be a pandemic.
But even if it surfaces, the first thing that people are going to do is that they are going to ease off of eating chicken. So when you look at the companies that are affected that you might have in your portfolio. Food processors, chicken processors, chicken restaurants, places like that are most readily affected.
However, a lot of the people we talked to, Kyra, say that the economic damage of bird flu shows up on this continent is not going to be necessarily from not eating chicken. It is people wanting to protect themselves. You remember when SARS was on the continent, particularly in Canada, people stayed home.
So you want to look through your portfolio for companies, retailers that are based in malls, restaurants that are based in malls, airlines, places where the air circulation is a little trickier than normal, hotels. These are places where people who are afraid of getting bird flu, if it starts to show up, will stay away from. Entertainment.
In fact, a lot of the economists are saying the biggest dent to the economy, Kyra, is going to be in people staying home, absenteeism, if there are reports of bird flu.
PHILLIPS: Well, it is interesting we had a doctor on yesterday, Dr. Alex Thiermann. He is a specialist with regard to bird flu. And he talked about Africa. If the resources and the money and all the attention would be focused on Africa, that it could actually prevent bird flu from coming to the United States. VELSHI: Yes, and, you know, a lot of people -- there are two things, whether bird flu will actually come to the United States. And remember bird flu has still not made the change into a thing that's transmitted from human to human. But the economic impact of how it is going to affect you or your investments has more to do with what people perceive about bird flu than what actually happens.
If bird flue hits as a pandemic anywhere in the world, that's a whole different ball game. Because all of a sudden so many people will take sick that that's not going to be -- you are not going to be worrying about your stock portfolio at that point, you know.
PHILLIPS: Yes.
VELSHI: This is the fact that people worry about stuff. The companies have to think about how the idea of bird flu will start to have an impact on them, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Ali Velshi, we will see you for the closing bell.
VELSHI: Absolutely.
PHILLIPS: Thanks so much.
VELSHI: OK.
PHILLIPS: Those jobs are pretty stressful. But would your job be a lot less stressful if it were not for annoying co-workers? I think we all know the answer. The authors of a new book have some advice on dealing with jerks at work coming up on LIVE FROM.
Sorry about that. We also want to tell about in this week's life after work series, a married couple turns their hobby into a full-time job.
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JENNIFER WESTHOVEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This husband and wife team took aim at a second career. Gil and Vicki (ph) Ash own and teach shooting at the Optimum Shotgun Performance School in Houston.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pull.
GIL ASH, SHOOTING INSTRUCTOR: Each year we teach 1,500 to 2,000 people how to shoot moving targets with a shotgun.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As soon as you see that bird, everything is going to the break point.
ASH: We were among the first group of traveling competition shooters in this country. Everywhere we went, we either won or placed in the top five. People are always asking us, how you to this? Our reputation as teachers began to grow.
Nice shot. Nice shot. Good lateral move. WESTHOVEN: While competing, the Ashs were also involved in a different type of shooting. They ran a commercial photography business, but after 18 years, the couple traded in their cameras for shotguns.
ASH: Photography was getting ready to go through the digital phase, and I didn't want to spend a quarter of a million dollars every year keeping up with the new digital trinkets. And the other part of it was, as a photographer, you're really not in control of your own time.
WESTHOVEN: These days the Ashs manage their own time. They wrote a book, produced three DVDs and are the shooting editors for "Sporting Clay" magazine.
ASH: We're passionate not only about teaching people to shoot but we teach them how to learn from failure. Sporting clays is a very difficult game and it has got a lot of built-in failures. It's whether or not you're able to take responsibility for the failure, learn from it, and move on, that determines how successful you're going to be.
Jennifer Westhoven, CNN.
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PHILLIPS: Loud talkers, nit pickers, chronic complainers, hey, it is not just the CNN news room. These characters are an annoying reality for most people on the job.
Christie Lenth (ph) at our national desk, what's your pet peeve?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh I don't know. People that don't ask for things nicely and that email you too much because my email gets so clogged that I can't kill them and then I can't get anymore email.
PHILLIPS: Do we ask you for things nicely?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, most of the time.
PHILLIPS: Oh good. So we don't drive you most of the time?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
PHILLIPS: We're not on the list. Outstanding.
Christie, thank you.
They are also profiled in a new book, "Working with You is Killing Me." We are going to take it as a good sign that co-authors Katherine Crowley and Kathi Elster managed not to kill each other putting this book together. They join us from New York.
Hello, ladies. So, Katherine, how did the idea come about?
KATHERINE CROWLEY, AUTHOR, "WORKING WITH YOU IS KILLING ME": For "Working with You is Killing Me?" The idea came about because Kathi actually was doing a great deal of management consulting in corporations. And she would give them many wonderful strategies to execute.
KATHI ELSTER, MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT: Well, I would go in and I would say, you know, here's what you have got to do and then it wouldn't happen because the people kept getting in the way. So I would set goals and I would give strategies and then there would be some kind of obstacle. I hooked up with Katherine and she said, look, I can tell you what psychologically is going on here. And that's how we developed our body of work over the last 20 years.
PHILLIPS: And you lay out a number of characters. We want to hit on a few of those.
ELSTER: OK.
PHILLIPS: Let's talk about probably one of the most popular, the unpleasable boss. OK, Katherine, take it away.
CROWLEY: Well, this is a beautiful kind of person you have to work with if you like to suffer. And actually the unpleasable boss we have to feel for because this is the perfectionist that person is never pleased with their performance as well.
PHILLIPS: Right.
CROWLEY: But it starts out usually on a good note where they're very hopeful that you are not going to disappoint, and they slowly chip away at you more and more and more, where if you finish 20 things on the list, they will find the one thing that you didn't quite get to.
PHILLIPS: So how do you manage up?
ELSTER: Well, managing up is probably the most important thing you can do, especially if you have a boss who is not all that good, which a lot of people have. So we have got five rules in managing up.
One is you have to meet with your boss regularly. And we don't mean once in a while. We really mean regularly at least weekly if not more often than that. And it's very important to bring a detailed agenda to that meeting because everything is on paper. Everything that you want to talk to your boss is on that piece of paper.
The next thing you want to do is look at your boss's change in priorities. We see so many people that go to work and they expect their boss to tell them what is going on. No, you have got to figure out what is going on. You have got to understand that priorities change every day.
CROWLEY: And actually with the unpleasable boss, in particular, how to manage up is you have to develop essentially a thicker skin. You have to understand, detect and understand, that this is this person's behavior. No matter who you are, they're going to find the fault. And so you have to find other ways of championing your own career and having other people acknowledge the work that you do.
PHILLIPS: Gosh, I know. Self-esteem is everything, and it's an -- especially in this business, boy. It can take a toll on you emotionally.
All right, the empty pit. This was an interesting character.
CROWLEY: This is actually one of my specialties in attracting, so I know a lot about it. The empty pit starts out as very nice and turns into very needy. This is the person who will tell you every single one of their personal problems, from money woes to marital difficulties.
ELSTER: And they have a lot of them.
CROWLEY: That's right, many problems, and endless array. You give your best advice, you become their unpaid therapist. They follow none of your advice and you feel drained and exhausted and as if you have another job, besides the one you're being paid to do.
PHILLIPS: So what do you do with this person?
ELSTER: Well, I suggest you look at your job description and see if unpaid psychotherapist is in your job description. And it most likely isn't. So what we suggest you do is -- this kind of person doesn't want your advice, they basically just want to complain.
So what we want you to do is limit the listening and stop giving advice. Just stop. As soon as they say, what do you think? Say, you know what? I've got to go. And stop giving advice and eventually they will find someone else. Probably me.
PHILLIPS: All right so, if I've got clenched teeth, a stiff neck, I'm overheating, I'm angry, I'm depressed, I'm distracted at work and I'm seeking revenge, help me out. Take me out of it.
CROWLEY: Well, you can go through our four-step unhooking technique in working this ...
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ELSTER: Well, the first thing you've got to do to unhook is physically release that negative energy that's in your body. And I'm sure everybody out there knows, as soon as somebody upsets you, what happens? It's in your body. So what I want you to do or what we both want -- what the book tells you to do is to release it. You have to do something physical.
And I have a concern because I know a lot of listeners don't like exercise, and I understand. I don't want to be a person saying, you've got to exercise. So what about breathing, just deep breathing to calm your system down? Maybe going to the bathroom and washing your hands? Sometimes that helps. But the more upset you are, you have got to exercise. You -- that really is what works.
CROWLEY: And once you move the energy, get your energy moving, you can do the next thing, which is -- we call unhooking mentally, which is to start to look at your situation from a fresh perspective. You want to look at what's going on here? What are the facts of the situation? What's my part? What's their part? What are my real options.
PHILLIPS: Well, I love the point trade in popularity for respect. Isn't that the truth? "Working With You Is Killing Me." The book is actually hysterical but it's a fantastic manual. You ladies, thank you so much.
ELSTER: Oh, you're so welcome. Thank you.
CROWLEY: Thank you.
PHILLIPS: LIVE FROM is back after a quick break.
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PHILLIPS: On the CNN "Security Watch," another port in a storm. This one is in the Bahamas, just 65 miles from the U.S. coast. The Associated Press reports a deal is in the works to let a Hong Kong- based company use an American radiation detector to screen cargo found for the States.
The AP says it's the first time a foreign company will fill that role at an overseas port with no U.S. customs agents present. It's possible no one would think much about it if not for the recent uproar over the Dubai company's deal to take over management of a half dozen ports in the U.S. That deal, as you know, is not more.
Absent-minded? Running late? Definitely in trouble. A Maryland dad, racing to catch the Metro into Washington yesterday, completely forgot that he left his seven-month-old daughter in the back seat. He got all the way to D.C. before realizing what he'd done. By the time he got back, commuters had spotted the baby and firefighters pried open the car. The baby is OK and back in her mother's arms. No word on dad's punishment.
Barry Bonds playing hardball. Attorney's for the big time, big league slugger plan to ask a judge for a temporary restraining order over that new book, "Game of Shadows." As you may have heard, the book reveals grand jury testimony linking Bonds to years of illicit steroid use, which is always publicly denied.
Bonds' lawyers say the testimony was obtained illegally, and they plan to sue to block the authors from profiting. The authors say their book will stand up to any challenge. Bonds isn't, incidentally, asking that the book be taken off the shelves. If he did, he would have to testify under oath about those allegations.
The news keeps coming. We'll keep bringing it to you. More LIVE FROM next.
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PHILLIPS: Even life in the slow lane has to end sometime. But don't be too shell shocked. If local records are accurate, this guy, a star of the Calcutta Zoo in India, made it to 250. That means he came into the world the same year as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. His age isn't official. The Guinness Book recognizes another tortoise as the oldest animal ever, still kicking at 175. Still, let us all take a lesson on the health benefits of a leisurely pace.
Two cyclones off the coast of Australia. CNN meteorologist is monitoring the situation. Bonnie, is it unusual to have two cyclones at the same time?
BONNIE SCHNEIDER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, Kyra, it's interesting that we're talking about the cyclone season for Australia, because now we're coming to the tail end of it. It actually ends in March. And if you remember back to our hurricane season, we got especially active towards the end of the season as well, when the ocean temperatures were the warmest, back in September; unfortunately, this past year, in October and November as well.
But looking at Australia right now, we do have two cyclones. We have Floyd and we have Wati. Wati actually is weakening, and as you can see on the satellite perspective, it's dissipating. These graphics may look a little different to you if you're watching at home, because it's courtesy of our sister network, CNN International, and we do appreciate that.
As you can see, this one is moving to the south. And when you're talking about Australia, as storms move to the south, they're moving into colder waters, the southern Hemisphere, not the northern hemisphere.
Now, Floyd, fortunately, is weakening. That's a good thing. But unfortunately, it's still posing a threat somewhat to the west coast of Australia. It's moving actually in this direction, so we'll be watching this one a little bit more closely. But at least Wati is not going to pound Queensland like Cyclone Larry did last weekend. And unfortunately, that came in a very powerful cyclone.
All this talk about cyclones. Well, what is a cyclone? Does it relate to a hurricane? Here's the definition for you. An Australian tropical cyclone is an area of low pressure which winds blow clockwise in a southern hemisphere. So remember in the northern hemisphere, they're going counterclockwise. The terms hurricane, typhoon and cyclone are regionally specific for the same type of strong storm, with winds 74 miles per hour or great.
So Kyra, it's interesting to note that we're looking at another strong storm there and tropical moisture bringing heavy rain for Hawaii. One more note. A flash flood watch continues for all the Hawaiian islands straight through Saturday night -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Bonnie, thanks so much.
Time now to check in with Wolf Blitzer. He's standing by in "THE SITUATION ROOM" to tell us what's coming up at the top of the hour.
Hi, Wolf.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Kyra. Thanks very much.
Thousands taking their anger to the streets in Phoenix and L.A. today. Why are so many people upset? It's a hot button issue across the country. We're going to have coverage.
Plus, the United States stepping up the pressure on Afghanistan to protect a man who converted from Islam to Christianity. He could be put to death in accordance with Afghanistan's constitution, based on Islamic law. Will his life, though, be spared?
And Larry King. Yes, Larry, making a special visit, right here in "THE SITUATION ROOM." My conversation with the king of talk, and we'll find out who his special guest is tonight.
All that, coming up, Kyra, right at the top of the hour.
PHILLIPS: Look forward to it, Wolf. Thanks. More LIVE FROM coming up next.
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PHILLIPS: Now a dose of March Madness. Here in Atlanta, Duke duked it out with LSU, and Duke went home. Duke's J.J. Reddick missed all but three shots in his final game as a blue devil. LSU won, 62- 54.
Out in Oakland, a wild comeback. A last-minute run by UCLA. The Bruins scored the game's last 11 points -- ooh, including the winning lay-up. The Dogga (ph) had time for a long pass and a shot to tie. No dice. UCLA wins by two.
Texas and Memphis also won. More madness tonight.
"Can we tawk?" Joan Rivers, no joke, is looking for love. The comedian had posted her profile on match.com saying she's looking for a man between 65 and 75. She's been a widow since her husband Edgar Rosenberg committed suicide in 1987. Rivers isn't taking anything for granted. She even filled out the section asking whether she wants more children. Her answer? "At age 72, probably not."
Ali Velshi wants to talk doughnuts. I'm thinking more about a chilled beverage, but all right, Ali, I'll play.
VELSHI: No kidding. But you know Tim Horton's?
PHILLIPS: No, I don't.
VELSHI: Tim Horton...
PHILLIPS: You were sending me some e-mails and, forgive me, I didn't even look. VELSHI: Yes, Tim Horton's is bigger than McDonald's in Canada. It's the biggest restaurant change in Canada. Tim Horton was a hockey player who died in 1964. They started a -- he and his partner had started this doughnut operation. There are now over 2,500 of these doughnut shops across Canada, 288 of them in the United States. Back in 1995, Wendy's bought Tim Horton's. And in many years, Wendy's -- Tim Horton's has accounted for more than the 50 percent of the profit growth at Wendy's.
So it got spun off today. It was an IPO. Remember the IPOs. It's about to close at $23 and change on the New York Stock Exchange. That's the open that you're looking at. The stock gaining about 25 percent, by my rough calculation right now. The average of the IPO, a new stock that was listed, last year on the stock exchange was 11 percent. So very successful.
And Kyra, there was another IPO, food IPO earlier this year. McDonald's spun off Chipotle, also a very successful stock. So these bigger companies spinning off these smaller ones. And you're going to see a lot of Tim Horton's, because there's like one on every street corner in Canada.
PHILLIPS: Is Tim is still with us or no?
VELSHI: Tim is not with us. He's not been with us since 1964. But his idea.
PHILLIPS: Oh, since 1964? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said his idea came about in 1964.
VELSHI: No, no, he died in 1964, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Good player, huh?
VELSHI: He was an excellent player.
PHILLIPS: Did you ever see him play?
VELSHI: I wasn't with us in 1964.
PHILLIPS: Ali Velshi, have a great weekend.
VELSHI: And you, too. Enjoy that chilled beverage. If you were at Tim -- you know how your order a coffee at Tim Horton's, by the way?
PHILLIPS: Tell me.
VELSHI: Can I have a cup of coffee?
PHILLIPS: Can I have a coffee? Can I have a cup of coffee?
VELSHI: You don't have to say one of those -- you don't have to have -- it's not a tall super frappa-neato whatever it is.
PHILLIPS: Just a plain old cup of coffee. VELSHI: Terrific to see you. You have a fantastic weekend, and we will speak on Monday.
PHILLIPS: Thanks, Ali.
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