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Oklahoma Man Accused of Murdering 10-Year-Old Neighbor; Looking Into Moussaoui's Background; An Untraditional White House Easter Egg Roll

Aired April 17, 2006 - 14:00   ET

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: A vicious murder and an even more twisted plan. An Oklahoma man is accused of both and is due in court this hour over charges arising from the killing of his 10-year-old neighbor. Our Ed Lavandera joins us from Purcell with the latest. And we warn you, the details are very intense.
And, Ed, the more you read about this story, the story doesn't get better; it gets worse.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oh, there's no question. I think it's safe to say, the more you read about it, the less you want to continue reading, quite frankly.

Just a short while ago here, the prosecutors arrived here at the courthouse in Purcell just a few hours ago. As we speak, probably, they are about to file the first-degree murder charges against Kevin Ray Underwood, which in the state of Oklahoma carries with it the death penalty, and prosecutors have wasted no time in saying that they will seek the death penalty in this case.

So, in about a half hour, Kevin Ray Underwood will be brought out of the county jail where he's been sitting in a cell over the weekend by himself. The sheriff tells me he's on suicide watch, but he will be brought here to the courtroom on the second floor of the building you see behind me for his first court appearance.

Hopefully, we'll find out then if he has hired an attorney at this point. So far, we haven't heard of anything. But there is so much publicity and so much attention being given to this case that it's got people here a little bit frazzled.

In fact, just a short while ago, the bailiff from the courtroom sealing up the windows on the doors that you could see, peer into the courtroom with. Those windows have been taped up, not allowing cameras to get a peek inside at Mr. Underwood when he arrives for this court appearance.

The judge is not allowing cameras inside the courtroom for this appearance, either. So we'll just have to go inside and report back to you here what happens in about an hour or so.

HARRIS: Hey, Ed, are postings on the Internet giving folks a bit more of an insight into the mind of this man?

LAVANDERA: Right, and that's what a lot of people have been interested in reading about over the last couple of days, as well, as we've emerged that Kevin Ray Underwood apparently kept online diaries on the Internet and talked about a variety of things, most of it, you know, given what has happened here, what happened here in the last week, makes it even that much more disturbing.

But he talks about battling with depression and the need for using anti-depressant drugs. He talks about cannibalism. He also talks about just spending long, long hours -- 14 hours at a time -- just sitting in front of the computer in his apartment, which was just across the hallway from where Jamie Rose Bolin lived with her father.

So this is a man who, by all accounts, from what we've heard from former co-workers and people who have known him around here in Purcell who say he was a quiet, shy person, very reserved, and much of the postings that were on these online diaries seem to support that, as well.

HARRIS: OK, CNN's Ed Lavandera for us in Purcell. Ed, thank you.

Well, it's not a pleasant subject, not by any means, but here is a CNN fact check: cannibals.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are we supposed to fly that close to the mountains?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The movie "Alive" is based on a true story of a rugby team from Uruguay whose plane crashed in the Andes. Survivors ate flesh taken from those who died, one of many examples in history of humans eating humans.

Among criminals, the most notorious modern cannibal was probably Jeffrey Dahmer. Dahmer murdered more than a dozen young men, engaged in sex with the bodies, dismembered the corpses, and ate parts of them. He was murdered in prison while serving 15 consecutive life sentences.

More prolific cannibals have included American Albert Fish, who preyed on children in the 1920s, and Russian Andrei Chikatilo, who killed and consumed scores of young boys and girls. Both said their acts provided sexual gratification.

German Armin Meiwes was involved in an apparent case of consensual cannibalism. Meiwes' victim responded to his Internet posting for a man willing to be killed and eaten. Given the victim's consent, Meiwes was sentenced to just 8 1/2 years for manslaughter.

An admitted cannibal who is walking free today is Japan's Issei Sagawa. As a student in Paris, Sagawa killed and consumed a woman he lusted after and described what he did in graphic detail. He was declared unfit to stand trial and was returned to Japan, where he has since written several best-selling books and has appeared in at least one movie.

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HARRIS: A broken home, a family history of mental illness, it's all fodder of Zacarias Moussaoui's lawyers as they try to pick up the shards of the admitted terrorist's defense. CNN's Jeanne Meserve has more from Alexandria, Virginia.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This morning, the jury has been hearing from a clinical social worker who has talked about Moussaoui's violent childhood, a lot of time spent discussing his father, Omar, a former boxer, and the violence that he used against Moussaoui's mother.

This clinical social worker described how he kept her locked up, away from friends and family, how he used starvation to try to control her, how at one time he broke her jaw with his hands, also broke her teeth, and how at one juncture he tried to persuade her to put her ear near a keyhole so he could run a skewer through a keyhole and pierce her brain, that a plan that did not work.

But because of this very violent background, Moussaoui spent his early years in and out of orphanages. According to the clinical social worker, people at the orphanages described him as a friendly, happy, smiling child who was easily managed.

She also talked about his early school years. School officials described him as disruptive, distracted, but not a violent student. And the clinical social worker said that, as a teenager, he had a six- year romance with a young woman that was quite happy, that she had described him as generous, and funny, a kind person, but she could never bring him home, because her family regarded Moussaoui as, quote, "a dirty Arab."

All of this as the defense tries to establish mitigating factors which would argue against giving Moussaoui the death penalty.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Alexandria, Virginia.

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HARRIS: Four hours in Fallujah on foot, a routine patrol for U.S. Marines. Except in this part of Iraq, there's no such thing as routine. Troops can hand out candy one minute and chase down snipers the next, and coming through it unscathed is a bonus. CNN's Arwa Damon is there.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Charlie Company hits the street of Fallujah, a city with a tough reputation.

MAJ. VAUGHN WARD, U.S. MARINE CORPS: And just to have them, the Marines to get to know the AO better -- they're new here -- and try and engage the local populous, try and find people, see what their attitudes are, what's been going on. Have they seen insurgent activity in the area? We've been getting shot at quite a bit over here to the west.

DAMON: For this Marine reserve unit, it's a mission like any other day, except it's Friday, a Muslim holy day, and often picked for insurgent attacks.

WARD: I feel patrols have been getting engaged a lot more than the mobile convoys have; it's an easier target to go after.

DAMON: And this unit has seen increased violence in the last week, including a heightened threat from snipers. Since the massive operation to take back Fallujah from insurgents in 2004, most residents have returned to their devastated city and with them the insurgents, not in large numbers, but enough to cause trouble.

This Friday, residents are out; children are happy to see the Marines, always easier to win over than the wary adults. So far, things are going well, but things going well in Iraq can be deceiving.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) we have one hit.

DAMON: A shot rang out that seemed to come out of nowhere that wounded one marine, the streets that for the last hour had appeared calm and friendly within seconds turning hostile. The MedEvac team arrives within minutes.

The mission has changed: Find the shooter. Everyone wearing khaki pants and black shoes is searched. A marine saw a man fitting that description running away. Warning shots are fired to stop a fleeing taxi, the insurgents' favorite getaway car. More men are searched.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell him to be quiet, please.

DAMON: One is tested for gunshot residue; the results are negative. And it's becoming frustratingly more apparent that the attacker has fled. Good news: Word comes that the wounded marine's injury is non-life-threatening. The men begin to relax. But out here is no place to let down your guard.

SGT. JULIO FELICIANO, U.S. MARINE CORPS: It's hard to stay focused, just to let you know, when something happens like that, hey, it's for real. They're everywhere. They can look at you. You've got to stay alert 24/7, all the time.

DAMON: One marine says jokingly, "Are you ready for the death run?" as they dash across the main road back to their base.

Arwa Damon, CNN, Fallujah, Iraq.

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HARRIS: In Tennessee, wildlife experts believe they've got their bear. The body of a black bear believed to have killed a 6-year-old girl is being examined today. It was found yesterday in a trap foresters had set in the Cherokee National Forest. The bear matches the description of one that mauled a young family, killing Elora Petrasek. Here she is with her little brother, Luke. He and their mother were seriously hurt in that attack.

Another wild animal attack. This time, a mountain lion that lived on Flagstaff Mountain in Colorado. The big cat went after a 7- year-old boy over the weekend. His family pelted it with rocks and screamed until it ran away. It was tracked down and killed; the boy who was bitten on his head and leg is recovering in a Denver hospital.

On your mark, get set, roll. Rain couldn't keep these youngsters from scrambling around the White House lawn. But were some of their parents playing politics? The hard-boiled details when LIVE FROM continues.

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HARRIS: Eggs, bunnies, bonnets, maybe even some hard-boiled politics? All part of today's White House Easter Egg Roll. President and Mrs. Bush kicked off the event, flanked by some larger-than-life, scary rabbits. Oh, maybe not.

The kids kept the action rolling despite some rain. The egg roll has been held at the White House since the mid-19th century. But today's event was anything but old-fashioned. A lot of same-sex couples made it a point to go. They deny it was a form of protest, but some other parents say they were just trying to "egg on" a debate. Bob Frankens reports.

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BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They waited in lines that stretched for blocks all night and into the morning. They were waiting for the chance to get tickets for the traditional Easter Egg Roll at the White House this morning.

JAMES ABBOTT, GAY PARENT: We got here last night about 8:00.

FRANKEN: They included James Abbott and Daniel Gri, who would be considered traditional parents. They are gay parents, joining the thousands of straight couples in line. They plan to bring their two adopted children, ages 8 and 10.

ABBOTT: We thought it would be fun for them, and a good chance to participate in the White House and see, maybe, the Bushes.

FRANKEN: They wore leis around their necks to make sure that everyone knew who they were, and that concerned some of the other parents.

TRISCH AUST, PARENT: That's my only issue, making something like this that should just be a fun occasion, around a holiday like this, into a political issue.

GWEN WILLIAMS, PARENT: Something that's for kids, an event for kids, an event for families, and using it as a political platform, but...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Which I hope they don't do. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just hope everybody can just mingle together. I don't want anyone just to stand out.

FRANKEN: It's ironic that some adults wearing bunny ears don't stand out, but those wearing plastic flowers do.

DANIEL GRI, GAY PARENT: You know, I think it's important for people to be able to see that gay parents do exist and gay people have families, long-term relationships and children.

FRANKEN: The White House has been holding this event since 1878, but it's probably fair to say that this is not your great-great- grandfather's Easter Egg Roll.

Bob Franken, CNN, Washington.

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HARRIS: Have you made your annual last-minute trip to the post office today? The deadline for taxes is here. So the question is: Do you think our tax code is fair? The news keeps coming. We'll keep bringing it to you. More LIVE FROM next.

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HARRIS: And all this week, CNN continues its year-long look into the future, your future. This month, we focus on transportation. And today, we're talking about traffic.

Believe it or not, more than three million Americans commute at least 50 miles each and every day. And on top of that, many drivers spend hours stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Could there be a better way to get to work? Miles O'Brien takes a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're going to the moon; there has to be other ways to get to our jobs. I get up between 4:45 and 5:00 every day. I have to be at work at 7:15, and I often find myself dashing across the parking lot to make it.

It affects my life. It affects the way I feel, that feeling of, "Am I going to make it on time?" Time is such a valuable thing. It's up to three hours of a day that I spend in my car, and that's a huge amount of my life wasted. I'd be willing to try anything that would make my commute less painful.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: It is really painful, when you add up all the time we spend in our cars, grinding our teeth as we grind our way through traffic. But what if we could commute through the wild blue yonder, breezing past the gridlock below?

WOODY HARRIS, AIRSCOOTER INVENTOR: One day, not too far into the future, people are going to get off the ground and they're going to be able to get airborne. M. O'BRIEN: Woody Norris is a man with big ideas. The inventor's latest project: the AirScooter. Don't let its looks fool you. This flying machine is ingenious for its simplicity. It is an odd hybrid design with blades like a helicopter, a handle bar like a motorcycle, and a specially designed, lightweight, four-stroke engine.

W. HARRIS: Turn the throttle, and you go up. Release the throttle, and you come down.

M. O'BRIEN: Due to hit the market later this year with a price tag of about $50,000, Norris says the AirScooter could make rush hours a thing of the past.

W. HARRIS: With the AirScooter, it's a direct line, the way the bird flies. There's a lot more space up there than there is down here on the ground, so we think that's going to solve the congestion problem.

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HARRIS: Hey, look, you can't avoid it anymore. Springtime means Easter egg hunts and the start of the baseball season. But, as Susan Lisovicz reminds us, it also means that your taxes are due.

Susan, we got a bit of a reprieve over the weekend, but they're due today, correct?

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's D-Day, all right, Tony. I've got a date with accountant later on today so I can send them off before the midnight deadline.

Of course, we do have a couple of days reprieve because April 15th fell on a Saturday. And if you live in Massachusetts or a handful of other states, you actually get still an extra day, because those states process through Massachusetts, and it's Patriots Day there.

So whatever day you're filing, the one thing that remains constant: the unpopularity of the tax code. Fifty-eight percent of people responding to a new poll say that the income tax system in the United States is unfair. That is virtually unchanged from 20 years ago. And the unhappiness with the tax system was spread evenly across income groups, age groups, education levels, just hate the system.

HARRIS: Everybody hates it. Yes, but, OK, so maybe we can -- let's get some answers here. What are people's biggest complaints about the system? We all hate it, but what are the biggest complaints?

LISOVICZ: It's the amount we pay, Tony. Whether you're a low- income, you think it's unfair; middle-income, you think it's unfair; high-income, you think it's unfair. Most people just think that it's not fair, in terms of the amount that they have to give back. They also think it's overly complicated, that lobbyists have too much influence on the IRS. Basically, while there have been a lot of changes in the tax code over the last 20 years, the unpopularity of the system remains the same.

HARRIS: But you know what? OK, so it's an unpopular system. We hate it. But at least with e-filing, filing, doing what you don't want to do is a little easier. How are people reacting to that option?

LISOVICZ: Well, actually, a lot of us. Millions of us do e- file, Tony; 55 percent of taxpayers expected to e-file this year. That's up just a little bit from last year, 51 percent. But the IRS isn't counting resistance. And it really wants all of us to e-file, because it's cheaper for the government to process.

The main reason why people haven't been using e-file is security concerns. Many people prepare tax returns on a computer, then print them out, and mail them in, because they don't trust the security safeguards of tax preparation companies. And mind you, the government is trying to get 80 percent of taxpayers to e-filing by 2007. At this level, it looks like that deadline may have to be extended.

And while we're talking about money and we're talking about numbers, let's take a look at the numbers on Wall Street. And pretty much the big board will tell the story here today: a sea of red. The Dow Industrials selling off now at session lows, down nearly 1 percent, 11,046.

One reason why, because oil is spiking above $70 a barrel. We're talking about levels we haven't seen in eight months. Basically, levels we saw right after Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore, right where so many of our oil installations were in the Gulf of Mexico.

And that's the latest from Wall Street. Stay with us. LIVE FROM will be right back.

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HARRIS: The alleged crimes are bad enough; the alleged scene, well, is shocking. A former ICU nurse at San Diego's Children's Hospital is accused of lewd acts on a child and child pornography. Police won't give details, except to say the alleged molestation took place last year.

Thirty-two-year-old Christopher Alan Irvin is due in court tomorrow. He is the second -- the second disturbing arrest for that hospital. Just last month, a respiratory therapist was charged with molesting two brain-damaged girls under the age of 14. Both men passed background checks before they were hired. The hospital's president says a new policy guarantees at least two employees are with patients when their parents aren't.

A mystery in Maine, where police found two registered sex offenders who lived 25 miles apart shot to death on Sunday. A 12- hour, three-state manhunt followed, ending when police pulled over a bus that was heading into Boston.

As officers boarded, a rider pulled out a .45-caliber handgun and shot himself in the head. Twenty-year-old Stephen Marshall died at the Boston Medical Center, leaving investigators to try to figure out whether Marshall knew either of the victims. In the meantime, as a precaution, Maine state police have taken down a Web site that list more than 2,000 sex offenders.

They're covering up the door glass to block cameras in McClain County, Oklahoma, at the courthouse where Kevin Ray Underwood is about to be arraigned on murder charges. He's accused of killing his 10- year-old neighbor, Jamie Bolin, and of devising an even more twisted plan for her body. Police call the crime heinous and cruel, but people who know the suspect call him quiet, even boring.

Let's bring in a criminal profiler, Pat Brown, for some insights. And we warn you, this is a hard thing to talk about and to listen to.

Pat, thanks for your time.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: No problem.

Kevin Ray Underwood describes himself as depressed, battling depression, isolation. And then we get to his homicidal thoughts. They don't necessarily have to equate to one another, do they?

BROWN: Well, no. And you know, it's funny -- with psychopaths, which are developed quite young, they don't necessarily all become serial killers. They can become annoying people. They can become con artists, they can become abusers of their families and their wives or their husbands. So, they don't have to become necessarily violent people.

But when a leave a psychopath alone and he becomes more and more isolated from society, he starts wanting to have some kind of impact on it. Everybody does, and psychopaths are no different. They don't care about anybody else, only themselves. So they don't have feelings that they are responsible to anyone. So, as time goes on, the more isolated they are, the more they go into their fantasy worlds and they develop something that they think will be exciting, something that will make their mark on society and show society just who they are and how important they are. And he picked this way.

HARRIS: Right. Pat, you've read the details of this crime, haven't you?

BROWN: Right.

HARRIS: It's so personal, so brutal. He knew this young girl.

BROWN: Right.

HARRIS: And knew the parents, at least in passing. I mean, he actually -- you would think, at some point, looked into this girl's face, into her eyes, as he was committing this horrible crime. BROWN: Right. And he doesn't care, because he doesn't care about other people. If he cared about the parents, he wouldn't have killed their daughter. If he cared about her, he wouldn't have done what he did. He simply doesn't care about anyone else.

This is just a piece of material to him. And the more fantasized about it and spent thousands and thousands of hours on the Internet, you know, fixing up his fantasy and getting where he wanted with it, he finally got his opportunity and he could have cared less. And he will sit in court, probably, and said he doesn't care, either.

HARRIS: Let's look at one of his postings. This is the first one. "I've been really bad lately. I need to have the doctor write me a prescription for more Lexapro or something and start taking that again." Once again, folks who are depressed don't become homicidal. Come on.

BROWN: No, they don't. You know, that's an excuse we often use. We'll use postpartum depression as a possibility for why we're homicidal. We use all kinds of things. But the fact is, you have to have the thinking process already there to want to go that direction. So nothing forces you into becoming a homicidal maniac except your own desire. So this was something definitely not something that caused him to do it.

HARRIS: How about this from him? "A week or so ago, I spent my day off sitting here at the computer, barely moving from the chair for 14 hours."

BROWN: Well, I've done that, too, so...

HARRIS: Yes.

BROWN: I'm a little concerned about myself. But computers can make us sit there too long and focus on one only thing, but if your only one thing is pornography and your only one thing is homicide, that's very frightening, because you're not building up some positive thing in yourself, you're just taking yourself down to the most negative level you can go to.

And I want to comment on something else you talked about -- his boring -- how boring he is. Let me tell you, most serial killers are extremely boring people. That's the problem. They haven't developed relationships. They haven't developed good hobbies and interconnections with the community and friends and relatives. They're very boring. So, they usually only have a couple focuses in life, and one of them usually is homicide. And that's about all they do.

HARRIS: Let me ask you this, Pat. Has he kind of separated himself from other criminals of this like? I mean, is he a pedophile? Is he -- we clearly -- he's charged with murder in this case. I'm wondering, has he set himself apart and could that be part of his motivation?

BROWN: Well, I think he was looking -- he was searching, I think, for his identity, shall we say. Because he had his books on serial killers, he was going to different kinds of sites, gore sites, all kinds of different things. And I think he was working out what was the most horrible, creepy thing he could get involved in, and what level could he go to? And I think he really wanted to go to the utmost level to prove himself, as -- and he has now. Haven't we all gone, oh, my God, he's the creepiest guy possible. He has succeeded in what he wanted to achieve.

HARRIS: But what happens to the off switch with these guys? I mean, there's an off switch for all of us. What happened with this guy, this Kevin Ray Underwood, accused in this horrible crime?

BROWN: Well, the off switch usually is that either we do not want to get caught because we do not want to have no future, or our off switch is we don't want to hurt other people to that level. He probably didn't care about other people, nor did he care about his future, and that what makes him so terribly dangerous and makes every other serial killer out there in the making just as dangerous.

HARRIS: And you know, if he's convicted of this, what does this say about this man? He didn't even pick on someone his own size. He didn't pick on...

BROWN: They never do. Serial killers never pick on anybody their size. That's why most serial killers pick women that five foot two and 100 pounds, because they don't want to lose. I mean, serial killer can't take that blow to his ego. So children and women and anybody small, that's the package they go. And if they go for bigger people, it's always with a gun at a distance, so you can't see it coming.

HARRIS: Yes, Pat, let's -- as we talk, let's look at new tape just into CNN of Kevin Ray Underwood as he's getting ready for his arraignment. Let's roll that video right now. And as we do, and as you take a look at him right there, I'm just sort of curious. This process for him now -- I mean, apparently, he has confessed to this.

BROWN: Uh-huh.

HARRIS: Was he, in your mind -- does your history tell you that they always do, generally speaking?

BROWN: Only if they know they've already been caught and they can't get out of it. If they think they can get away with it, they will say they didn't do it, and they'll stick by that. And the minute they find out that the evidence is too strong, then they'll admit to it, because now they're going to play the next game, which is I'm going to get the baddest serial killer around and I'm going to get lots of letters from women who want to feel sorry for me and I'm going to get lots more attention. I'm going to go into -- I'm going to have a movie made about me and books written about me. And if we could just take these guys and put them in an isolation location, cut all communication from society from them, then they wouldn't be as happy in their jail time as they are today.

HARRIS: They don't have a stamp that says pedophile. I mean, I know the parents of this young girl are just, you know, driving themselves crazy, but they don't come with scarlet letters, they don't come with stamps that say, hey, look, I'm a homicidal maniac here.

BROWN: No. And that's why I think -- I wish parents would get the picture that you simply cannot allow your children to hang around or go into the apartment of or just have any kind of down time with a person you do not trust implicitly. In other words, your own mother and father, your best friends, the people you know that your kids are totally safe with. If you have any question, your children shouldn't be out there roaming around. Unfortunately, it's not that safe out there.

HARRIS: Do you want as many details as you can about this guy just because of the work you do?

BROWN: Actually, to tell you the truth, he's not that unusual to me. I've seen it over and over and over again. It's -- their fantasy is not that rare. So, no, I've seen it before. Ed Fish (ph), way back when, he 70 years old and this was back, oh, many decades ago, he killed a little girl and ate her up in New York. And he wrote all his thing about -- he's a very famous serial killer. So we already have this kind of guy out there, and we know exactly what he thinks like. So this is just a similar type.

What's most important is we've got to get to society's head that the Internet is spawning many more violent, dangerous serial killers, and we've got to stop what's out there on the net from encouraging them along.

HARRIS: Well, help us understand the role of the net in all of this. Is it helping to create this kind of personality? I don't want to just...

BROWN: Yes, it is.

HARRIS: It is?

BROWN: It is. It's not creating psychopaths. Those are being created by our society in general and by their own personalities mixing together. But the Internet and all the violence in society and all of the misogyny and all of that is encouraging their fantasies and telling them to go out and act against society in this way, rather than just, say, just be an annoying creature who perhaps lies to you a lot. They're becoming more and more dangerous, more and more violent and having sicker fantasies. So yes, we're creating a disaster out there, and if we don't leave our kids sitting there with those kinds of fantasies in front of them for hours on end, it's just -- we better watch what we're doing.

HARRIS: You'll suspect we'll learn -- one last question. Do you suspect we'll learn that there was abuse in Underwood's past?

BROWN: Not necessarily. Physical abuse is not necessarily so. But obviously, not the greatest parenting. I mean, after all, his mother said maybe this just happened because of a failed online romance. Excuse me, ma'am? This happened because your child has been a psychopath since he's been eight, and you haven't noticed it. There's a problem there with parenting, yes.

HARRIS: Pat Brown, we appreciate it. Thanks for your time.

BROWN: My pleasure.

HARRIS: A breakthrough in Aruba, or yet another blind alley? Police aren't saying much about a new arrest in the perplexing disappearance of Natalee Holloway. It's almost a year since the Alabama teen vanished on a graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. Thanks to standard Aruban procedure, all we know so far is the man's age, 19, and three cryptic initials, GVC. But no reason why the arrest was made or how the man may be linked to the case. Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, says he's been told the man's name, but he doesn't recognize it.

Wedding traditions vary around the world, but people always like to throw things, maybe rice, confetti, maybe bird seed or coins. But this is a new one on us. Throwing acid? A wedding crasher in Schenectady, New York, came armed with a vile of corrosive acid and a reported grudge against the friend of the bride. Six people were hurt, including two firefighters. They thought they were treating hot water burns until their latex gloves melted. None of the injuries are serious. The 39-year-old woman blamed the attack -- blamed for the attack -- is charged with assault and reckless endangerment.

A puzzling case, a terrible ending, but the parents of two Milwaukee boys say at least they now have closure. Milwaukee police say it looks like a tragic accident claimed the lives of Quadrevion Henning and Purvis Parker who disappeared March 19 on their way to play basketball at a park.

Their bodies were found Friday in a park lagoon. Autopsies show the 11 and 12 year old boys had drowned. There are no signs of foul play. The police chief says the friends were probably already in the water before anyone knew they were missing. Divers searched the icy lagoon on March 28th, but came up empty.

As crime goes more high tech, so does crime fighting. Coming up, a look at a tool to keep your wheels safe from thieves. The news keeps coming. We'll keep bringing it to you. More LIVE FROM next.

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HARRIS: A car is stolen somewhere in America every 26 seconds. Most are never seen again, at least by their owners. More and more are being spotted by a new kind of police cam that homes in on license plates, even quickly moving license plates, and sorts out the stolen and suspicious.

CNN's Kyung Lah reports.

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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Even faster than this police car rolls, a laptop dings like a supermarket scanner, Infrared cameras snapping pictures of license plates. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It gives you a photograph of the license plate, plus the digital reading here, and a picture of the vehicle that it read. The dinging sound you hear indicates that the computer has read those license plates and they're not coming back as stolen.

LAH: Stolen cars, usually never found once a thief disappears on to city streets. Running tags by hand, a tedious task for police. Not anymore, for these undercover Anne Arundel County police officers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can do an area such as a shopping center or something in half the time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Depending what cameras we have set up, we could shoot across a couple lanes of traffic. Or you can sit stationary on the side of the road.

LAH: Capturing plates at speeds up to 120 miles an hour, then automatically cross checking them at a national database. This technology is on the verge of exploding in the D.C. area. A dozen have already been ordered through funds of the Department of Homeland Security.

LT. DAVID WALTEMEYER, ANNE ARUNDEL CO., MD POLICE: License plates that are queried by the system are run through NCIC federal database that also can tap into the terrorism watch list once we get that up an running.

LAH (on camera): In the near future, these cameras will operate a lot like these photo radar cameras, capturing images of licenses entering the country, people driving on bridges or even just driving around, limitless ways to protect Americans, say police. But privacy experts warn technology comes at a price.

MARC ROTENBERG, ELECTRONIC PRIVACY INFO. CTR.: It's not science fiction, it is not just in the movie theaters. Over the next year or two, I think you're going to see similar technologies being designed to identify people walking around with identity cards.

LAH (voice-over): Police dispute privacy concerns, saying plates are public and scanned indiscriminately. It's a new set of intelligent, electronic eyes looking for the bad guys, and watching you, too. Kyung Lah, CNN, Washington.

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HARRIS: The last time Carl Dodd saw his daughter, she was four years old. He hopes to be reunited with 17-year-old Marilyn Byrd some time today. Last week, marshals arrested Marilyn's mother in Wilmington, Delaware, ending the oldest missing child case in the nation's capital. Mary Jane Bird had vanished with her daughter in 1993. She has pleaded not guilty to kidnapping by a parent and is due in court next month.

Straight ahead, entertainment news with Sibila Vargas of "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT." Sibila, good to see you. What are you working on, lady? SIBILA VARGAS, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Lots going on in the entertainment world. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are just weeks away from the birth of their new baby and we have surprising news about where they plan to deliver. You'll be surprised. All of that and more when CNN LIVE FROM returns.

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HARRIS: Brangelina heads to the West Coast for their baby's birth but not the West Coast you are probably thinking of. Making fun of fear is making the box office, and the boss gets ready to hit the road with the focus on folk music.

Here to make sense of it all, Sibila Vargas live in Hollywood.

Sibila, good to see you.

VARGAS: I'm going to try. I will try to make sense of all of this. It's not all going to make sense.

HARRIS: All right.

VARGAS: Let's start with Brangelina. They are two of Hollywood's biggest stars but when Brangelina gives birth, it is reportedly going to be nowhere near the red carpets that made them famous. According to "The Sunday Times" of South Africa, the superstar couple plan to deliver their child in the southern African nation of Namibia.

A local governor in Namibia said the couple told him of their plan over a private breakfast meeting late last week. Now the local politico also told "The Sunday Times" that Brad and Angelina are thinking of giving their child a Namibian name. Jolie is reportedly due to deliver sometime in May.

Well, the movie that delivered the most at this weekend's holiday box office was "Scary Movie 4."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm in love. Yes. Yes.

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VARGAS: The latest installment of the spoof thriller franchise has given exec. studios plenty to jump and cheer about, as you just saw, about 41 million reasons to be exact. The film's first-place finish marks the highest Easter weekend total ever, as well as a studio record for the Weinstein Company, the new movie house started by former Miramax bosses, Bob and Harvey Weinstein.

Now another movies to crack the top five included Fox's animated feature "Ice Age 2: The Meltdown," "The Benchwarmers," "The Wild" and "Take the Lead."

And taking the lead and his act on the road this summer is legendary Rocker Bruce Springsteen. The boss has just announced the cities and dates of his 18-city U.S. tour to follow his European leg. Now after his initial April 30 performance in New Orleans and 10 stops in Europe, Springsteen's state side engagements will kick off in Boston on May 27 and wrap up in New Jersey on June 25.

Always the music pioneer, Springsteen's latest tour will include gospel, folk, blues and will be presented with a 17-member session band. Tony, it is nice to see that the man who sings about being born in the USA hasn't forgotten about his loyal American fans.

HARRIS: Yes, I think you hit a note there. I like that. OK Lady, what are you working on for "Showbiz Tonight?"

VARGAS: Well, a little bit more serious, but the number one movie in the country to some of the nation's biggest music legends. Why can't "Showbiz" cut President Bush a break? You won't believe the stunning swipes that some are calling unpatriotic. That's on "Showbiz Tonight" at 7 and 11 p.m. eastern on CNN Headline News.

Tony, back to you. Always great to see you.

HARRIS: OK. We appreciate it Sibila. Thank you.

We are going to take you to Purcell, Oklahoma, now, where the family of Jamie Rose Bolin is speaking. Let's take you there live for those comments.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us how it -- was it the same reaction you had or what were your initial thoughts?

LINDA CHILES, GIRL'S AUNT: It was my second time seeing him. I was sitting outside when they walked him out, the first time we saw him. The second time seeing him, I feel sorry for his family. I feel sorry for our family. You know, what he did is unspeakable. There's no way to take it back. There's no way to fix it.

You know, he didn't just break a glass. He broke a baby, you know. And there's no way to fix that. And I just hope he gets what he deserves. I hope they give him the death penalty because he doesn't deserve to stay any longer. She doesn't get to be here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But did you hear that man outside the court? Did you hear what he was saying? What did you think about that?

CHILES: It made me very nervous. It upset us. I understand why people want to say those things, why they want to scream and yell and say string him up and things like that. I totally understand that, but I do have faith in our judicial system that this guy is not going to be set free. And then if he is, God help him. God help him, because God can get people far better than I ever could.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have a message to people in town that perhaps calm down a little bit, take a deep breath?

CHILES: Yes. You know, there's a reason for everything. And, you know, the fact of it is because of Jamie, he'll no longer be able to ever do this to any other kid. Had this guy gotten away with it, I'm sure that there would have been other victims, and it could have possibly been other kids.

Because he, from what I understand, didn't have a preference on who it was at the time. It just happened that Jamie was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and she was just a sweet little girl who probably just, you know, wanted to make sure that he knew that somebody liked him. And he took advantage of that situation. And for that, he will pay for that crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We understand that she was very close with her father. Can you talk about how he's holding up?

CHILES: For the first three days, he slept a lot and he ate a banana. And that's pretty much all he ate. But this morning, he was able to get up and have breakfast. And him and Jennifer, Jamie's mom, they were able to make some funeral arrangements and get things going, so that they can have a little bit of peace, knowing that they have her now, you know. And they're able to do the things that they need to do to get her laid to rest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you think for the folks who didn't know her?

CHILES: Jamie? Freckled face, red head. You know, blue eyes. Sweet girl. Daddy's girl. There's a story that Curtis was telling us the other night, Curtis is her dad. She had a little Jean dress, and she cut it up and she took the pants legs off of a pair of pants and sewed them on. And she was real proud of it and wore it to school. And a couple of kids kind of teased her.

And her daddy told her, you know, hey, you know, baby, they just don't understand. You know, and she was so proud of it. She sat in there and sewed it by herself and, you know, did that. And those are the type of things that, you know, you guys should think about. She was a honestly sweet little girl, said yes, ma'am, you know, thank you and had manners, you know.

And her daddy said her glasses were always crooked, you know, in almost all of her pictures. And he loved that little girl with all his heart. You know, he was a single dad, and he devoted every bit of his time to that little girl other than when he had to work to pay the bills, you know. And, you know, he was a good father.

HARRIS: OK. you have been listening to comments from family members of little Jamie Rose Bolin. You have been listening to Jamie's aunt, Linda Chiles. We'll recap all of this, but right now, let's take a break. More of LIVE FROM right after this.

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