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Duke University Lacrosse Players Build Defense; Pawning For Fuel; Defense Rests In Zacarias Moussaoui Trial; Woman Wins More Than $10 Million At Slot Machine; Hoagland Testifies In Moussaoui Case; Variations Of Post-Partum Conditions; Foiled School Shooting Plot In Kansas

Aired April 20, 2006 - 15:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: China's President Hu Jintao and President Bush held a one-on-one at the White House today. Their meeting came after the highly choreographed welcoming ceremony on the White House grounds. That was interrupted by a protester.
Our White House correspondent, Ed Henry, has a whole lot more on that.

Ed, do you know more about this woman?

ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, some new information we are just getting in to CNN.

We have learned the female protester's name is Wang Wenyi. And, according to the U.S. Secret Service, she's 47 years old. They say she got through the White House gates because she had a temporary press pass with "The Epoch Times." That's a newspaper affiliated with the Falun Gong movement, of course, the religious movement banned in China.

She was removed, according to the Secret Service, and charged with disorderly conduct, under a Washington, D.C., statute. But the Secret Service is saying she also could possibly face an additional charge of -- quote -- "willing intimidation and disruption of a federal official."

This is a federal statute, not a local statute. And it's being looked at right now by the U.S. attorney's office.

Now, I also just got off the phone with Terri Wu (ph). She is an assistant to the editor in -- editor in chief of "The Epoch Times," that newspaper. She told me that this woman, Wang Wenyi, has actually been writing for the newspaper for a few years.

She has a medical background. So, she's been writing about subjects like bird flu and organ harvesting. And, according to this spokeswoman for the newspaper -- quote -- "This was unexpected. We were not aware of her actions this morning before the event."

They had -- they claim they had no idea that she was going to do this. They thought she was covering the event with both presidents. And this spokeswoman adds that the newspaper has formally contacted both the U.S. State Department, as well as the White House Press Office, to extend their apologies. They have not yet contacted the Chinese government -- Carol.

LIN: Ed, certainly, this is embarrassing to happen at a White House event.

But don't you think it would generate even more bad publicity, perhaps, if this woman was charged with a federal crime for just speaking out at an event?

HENRY: Well, we will have to see and let that play out. I mean, obviously, from the Secret Service's standpoint, she had a credential. She got in. She went through the medical detectors, did not, you know, obviously have some sort of an object that they believe could have hurt anyone.

So, as far as they knew, she was a credentialed person. And, according to this newspaper, she had been writing stories for them. So, from a security standpoint, there really appears to have been no way for them to have known that she was going to do this.

Now, obviously there will be political questions about somebody standing up, speaking out. Obviously -- President Bush, in fact, just a moment before she did stand up and protest, urged his Chinese counterpart to let the Chinese people speak more freely.

So, obviously, if there are charges, that's going to be a question, about whether or not it is fair to pursue that. But, on the other hand, obviously, if she broke a D.C. statute, you can bet D.C. officials will pursue that, regardless of the political implications.

LIN: Yes.

HENRY: If she broke the law, she broke the law -- Carol.

LIN: Hey, Ed, we are hearing a lot of noise. And we have got a camera angle on what is going on.

Can you tell us a little bit more about this?

HENRY: In fact, these are protests that have been going since at least last night just across from me, across the White House gates, on the other side of the White House gates.

In fact, President Hu had been staying at Blair House, across from the White House. So, as of last night, a lot of these protesters were already outside, waiting for his arrival last night. They were here, probably through most of the night and this morning, when I arrived. And they are still going strong, as you can tell.

Falun Gong is one of the big issues for this newspaper and also for these protesters. That's something we're hearing, the whole human rights issue. But there's a whole host of other issues that President Bush and President Hu also dealt with: trade, the Chinese currency.

President Bush came out of that Oval Office meeting with his Chinese counterpart, saying that there were no concrete developments, no concrete breakthroughs, but the two leaders did at least agree on the need to work together to try to deal with these nuclear standoffs involving Iran and North Korea -- Carol.

LIN: And Falun Gong, just to remind our audience, it's -- the Chinese government considers it an insurgent religious movement in that country.

HENRY: That's right, banned religious movement there. And that's why a lot of these protesters are standing up and trying to fight back against the Chinese government -- Carol.

LIN: All right. Well, certainly, it's a very choreographed and colorful protest across the street. It looks more like a Broadway show right now.

Ed, thank you.

HENRY: Thank you.

LIN: Well, Durham, North Carolina, police, with a search warrant, went through two Duke University dorm rooms, looking for clothes, pictures, video, or anything belonging to a woman who accuses two Duke athletes of rape.

Now, we don't know what, if anything, they found. The DA says there may be another suspect. And the defense lawyers say they can prove their clients weren't even there.

CNN's Jason Carroll has more.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Defense attorneys continue to build their case on the premise that two Duke University lacrosse players, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, both of whom are charged with raping a young woman, were not at the party when the alleged assault took place. The prosecution says the rape happened when the dancer reentered the lacrosse team members' home after performing.

A next-door neighbor who says he saw the young woman try to go back to the home says that was around 12:30 a.m. But the defense says it has records showing Seligmann called On Time Taxi at 12:14 from his cell phone. On Time Taxi showed CNN their computer phone log, which confirms his call coming in at that time.

At 12:19, defense sources say, records show the cab picked him up and drove him to this Wachovia Bank. The driver, Mose Mostafa, tells CNN he remembers picking Seligmann up, along with another unidentified young man that night.

MOSE MOSTAFA, TAXI DRIVER: Nothing looked unusual to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They seemed calm?

MOSTAFA: They seemed calm, like normal. I didn't -- I didn't recognize anything different. Just like any student call us for a fare, and I go down there. I pick them up. CARROLL: 12:24, defense sources say, bank records will show Seligmann withdrew money. Minutes later, Mostafa says he drove the player and his friend to the Cook Out restaurant. Mostafa says he then drove the young men to his dorm.

Defense sources say, Seligmann's student I.D. card confirms he arrived at his dorm at 12:41 a.m. The defense attorneys say the timeline shows it was not possible for him to be at the house when the alleged assault took place. Seligmann's lawyer says his family is devastated that he is now facing these serious charges.

BILL COTTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR READE SELIGMANN: Terrified. I mean, this awful -- if any of you had received a call that said that your son or daughter was charged with a serious crime, and you had all the confidence in the world that he or she didn't do that, you would be terrified. You would be scared to death. Like I -- like I said earlier, this is a good, decent, tight family. And next to one of them dying, this is going to be probably the worst thing they ever go through.

CARROLL: The defense says, a timeline and witnesses will show Collin Finnerty also was at a restaurant when the alleged rape took place. The DA would not comment on the defense attorney's claims.

(on camera): And the DA, Michael Nifong, told CNN in a previous interview he does have solid evidence, including a medical examination done by a nurse, which shows the young woman was a victim of sexual assault. If true, the defense questions whether he has charged the right suspects.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Durham, North Carolina.

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LIN: An update now on the controversy over a recent death at a Florida boot camp. Fourteen-year-old Martin Anderson died after a confrontation with guards. And some college students say, Florida Governor Jeb Bush isn't doing enough to investigate. They have been holding a sit-in outside the governor's office. Now, the governor says he's doing everything in his power to get at the truth.

A setback today for Lionel Tate, the Florida teenager convicted of murdering a 6-year-old playmate back in 1999, when he was 12 years old. Well, prosecutors are trying to get Tate's probation revoked, because he recently admitted robbing a pizza delivery man.

Now defense lawyers are trying to withdraw Tate's guilty plea to the robbery charge, saying he didn't understand the consequences of that plea. Despite testimony suggesting that Tate may suffer from mental problems, a judge ruled today that the teenager is competent to understand the proceedings against him.

The U.S. attorney general calls it an epidemic. Alberto Gonzales says child pornography on the Internet is much worse than many people realize. Gonzales says the Web has emboldened pedophiles, and the material that is available constitutes a large and growing danger to innocent children. He joined us live on LIVE FROM earlier today.

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ALBERTO GONZALES, ATTORNEY GENERAL: I thought it was important for people to understand what child pornography is today on the Internet. I think too many Americans have a view that child pornography is fairly benign; we're talking about still pictures of young girls, perhaps in skimpy bikinis.

But, because of Internet, it has really evolved into images, both still photographs and videos, of cases of child abuse of young children, sometimes infants.

And it is a serious problem, and I want the American people to understand that it's a serious problem. And, unless they know the reality of the problem, it's too easy to sort of turn away and to focus on other matters.

We certainly understand that Americans have privacy rights, that they should be respected and need to be accommodated, and with respect to any kind of legislation that is focusing on this issue. But we're talking about child pornography that does not enjoy protection under the First Amendment, and that we -- again, we want to work with the Congress, we want to work with the industry, to see what we can do to ensure that we have the tools, consistent with the protection of the privacy rights, that we have the tools necessary to go after child pornographers.

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LIN: That was the U.S. attorney general talking about new legislation he wants Congress to consider that would penalize Internet providers for not providing records about their Web users.

Well, cheers and tears, hugs and grins, as members of the Georgia National Guard's 48th Infantry Brigade come marching home -- many of these citizen soldiers have been away from their families since January of last year. Some are meeting new babies for the first time. And others are planning weddings.

More reunions are planned over the next few weeks, as the rest of the 4,000-member brigade arrives home.

Now we want to salute the fallen heroes, the men and women who have sacrificed their lives in the war in Iraq. Here are some of the names and the stories behind the casualty numbers.

For example, Sergeant Israel Devora Garcia was granted U.S. citizenship last week, minutes before his body was buried in Clint, Texas. The paperwork had been completed long before he was killed by an explosive device in Baghdad the 1st of April. But his Army duties forced him to move around so much, it wasn't finalize.

Devora Garcia's father said he brought his son to the U.S. from Mexico when he was just 6 years old. His father told graveside mourners he was thankful his son had been in the Army. His recruiter said of Devora Garcia, "He's one of the best kids I ever recruited."

Army Sergeant 1st Class Randall L. Lamberson was hit by a roadside bomb in Balad April 9. The 36-year-old from Springfield, Missouri, died the next day of those injuries.

Army Staff Sergeant Kevin P. Jessen of Paragould, Arkansas, had been deployed to Iraq for the third time, just weeks before he was killed by a roadside bomb in Rawah in March. Jessen's wife says their 2-year-old son doesn't understand what happened to his father. She said young Cameron got in bed with her and kept saying, "Daddy, Iraq."

Jessen is just one of 2,379 men and women who have been killed in the war in Iraq.

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LIN: We did a little math here at LIVE FROM, and we found a disturbing equation.

Take 100 cars, plus 365 days, equals 82 crashes, when you factor in risky driver behavior. That's what an exhaustive study turned up for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Researchers wired the cars with sensors and cameras and were absolutely shocked by what they saw, drivers eating, putting on makeup, making cell phone calls, even nodding off. That risky business caused dozens of wrecks.

Gas tanks aren't the only things running on empty these days. So are drivers' wallets. In fact, prices at the pump are so high, some pawnshop owners have seen an increased in business from customers who just can't go without a full tank.

Reporter Bob Robuck of CNN affiliate News 8 in Austin, Texas, has more.

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BOB ROBUCK, NEWS 8 REPORTER (voice-over): Welcome to the place of last resort. This pawnshop and others like it hop with even more business these days.

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ROBUCK: That's because, with gas prices climbing, some folks pawn whatever they have just to put gas in their cars.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything from DVDs and CDs up to, I mean, basically anything you see here, TVs, stereos, car audio, jewelry. Jewelry is a big item.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five just on the weight.

ROBUCK: Some pawnbrokers say, a large part of their business now comes from people desperate to fill their tanks. Customers may only get a few dollars, or maybe even 20 bucks, not quite enough to fill a tank, but they come anyway.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's some irony in it, also. People are actually pawning their rims and wheels for gas money.

ROBUCK: And the irony doesn't stop there. Some even pawn their livelihoods for a few gallons of gas.

Richard Cyrus is one of them. He mows yards for a living. And what's he pawning? A lawn mower.

RICHARD CYRUS, PAWNSHOP CUSTOMER: Well, you have kids to pick up from school and stuff like that. Even -- even though $5 doesn't give you but about two gallons in your truck, you know, sometimes, you know, it is feasible.

ROBUCK: And lucrative -- for pawnbrokers, anyway. And, as long as gas prices continue to sore, folks like Cyrus will pawn even more to make it possible for their wheels to meet the road.

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LIN: Well, today's average cost for a gallon of regular unleaded -- get this -- $2.82, according to AAA. That's 60 cents higher than this time last year.

Well, he could have been sick of subtraction. Maybe he just doesn't care about the California state bird. All we know is that something caused a Modesto third-grader to snap.

Next thing you know, the boy's neighbor is on the horn with the cops, after seeing the 8-year-old drive up in a minivan, park, and go inside his home.

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CAREN BRADY, TEACHER: Well, my car is gone. And I pulled out my car keys and said, my car key is gone as well. And, then, I went, I have been robbed.

OFFICER RICK APPLEGATE, MODESTO POLICE DEPARTMENT: The 8-year- old had some made -- had made some comments to law enforcement that, basically, he just wanted to go for a drive.

BRADY: Well, I don't know how he got his foot on the pedal and could see over the steering wheel, because he's not a large child.

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LIN: Not a scratch on the car. And the cops aren't even pressing charges. But the boy is suspended from school.

His teacher also announced that little Mr. Smarty-Pants is not welcome back in her classroom.

Straight ahead on LIVE FROM -- a few lucky coins turn into a major pile of cash -- more on granny's jackpot coming up. And I can tell you one thing: She is going to need a bigger purse. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: This may be the best return on an investment we have ever heard, a few dozen nickels and more than $10 million out.

Cathy Gandolfo of WPVI in Philadelphia has more on the great- great-grandmother with a sudden giant nest egg.

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JOSEPHINE CRAWFORD, JACKPOT WINNER: I said: "I know I hit something. What is it? What did I win?"

CATHY GANDOLFO, WPVI REPORTER (voice-over): Imagine it. Eighty- four-year-old Josephine Crawford, having already dropped about $100 in a slot machine, moves to this progressive nickel machine.

She plays another $20, and then another $20 inside Harrah's Casino. She decides to play the final maximum 60 nickels, three dollars.

CRAWFORD: I saw Megabucks. And I used to play the dollar Megabucks, but I never played anything else. And I never saw a nickel. So, we just figured we would try it.

GANDOLFO: Josephine Crawford, a retired waitress from Galloway Township, hit a record $10,010,113.48. This is the surveillance video provided by Harrah's. It's the biggest slot machine jackpot win ever in Atlantic City and the largest nickel machine jackpot ever in the U.S.

CRAWFORD: The eagles here. And I said, "You know, I know I won something." But I said, "Oh, look, it says jackpot."

GANDOLFO: Accompanied by her two daughters and a granddaughter, Ms. Crawford returned to Harrah's to share her incredible story with reporters. She says she is a casino regular, and she was enjoying an overnight stay with her granddaughter.

ALICIA WEEKS, GRANDDAUGHTER OF JOSEPHINE CRAWFORD: She had $5 left. And she said: "Well, I don't have any money left anyway. So, I will just -- I will do the maximum bet this one time." She did it the last time.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The one time.

WEEKS: And then she -- the sign came up, and she says: "It says I won the jackpot. What does that mean?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was...

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GANDOLFO: On Easter Sunday, Josephine Crawford and her family talked about taking a trip to Italy. You can bet that is going to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you ever been there?

CRAWFORD: Never. So, my daughters and their husbands, we're all going.

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LIN: Oh.

Josephine says three men proposed to her after she hit the big one. One was with his wife, who said, "You can have him."

All right.

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LIN: That's one senior that may not be worried about the new Medicare drug plan, but that is on the top of the minds of many people.

Susan Lisovicz tracking all of this.

SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Kyra.

A lot of seniors, outside of Josephine Crawford, are concerned about the new Medicare drug benefit plan. The deadline for this is next month, May 15. And what is concerning a lot of them is that insurers have notified tens of thousands of seniors that, if they don't pay the premiums by May 31, they can lose their coverage.

The problem is, many of these folks say they have paid, or that they signed up for automatic Social Security deductions, or they qualify for free coverage. One insurance counseling program in Pennsylvania alone says it has received more than 800 complaints in just the past few days. This is something that we will certainly be following up on -- Carol.

LIN: Is the government responding to these complaints?

LISOVICZ: Yes. And it says the problem may be both their, fault as well as some of the folks' fault, because it says, for instance, the Social Security automatic payment plan takes one to two month to process. So, it may just simply be a lag in time. But they also say some people may have signed up for deductions, but they may have thought they did, but actually didn't, or that they thought they qualified for a subsidy program, but didn't.

So, the blame is being passed around. Some of the big insurers, like United Health, say that there really have been a minimal number of mistakes, that people who qualify for low-income subsidies did not receive warning letters, and they are standing by their list so far. We will keep this one in our sights -- Carol.

LIN: Hey, less than a half-hour before the closing bell -- what is going on? (STOCK MARKET REPORT)

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LIN: A shooting spree in Saint Louis may have been even deadlier than first thought.

Police say 55-year-old Herbert Chalmers Jr. killed his estranged girlfriend at her apartment and then gunned down two of his female bosses at the catering service where he worked. After that, Chalmers killed himself.

Now, police now say a fourth woman has been found shot to death in an apartment owned by a friend of Chalmers, where Chalmers was known to stay.

It's all up to the jury now. Lawyers for 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui have rested their case. Earlier today, they presented evidence contradicting their own client's testimony. In a written statement, convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid admits he and Moussaoui once trained together, but denies the two were ever going to work together.

Earlier in the trial, Moussaoui testified he and Reid intended to hijack a plane on 9/11 and crash it into the White House. The defense also called more relatives of 9/11 victims to the stand. These families do not want Moussaoui put to death.

One of those who testified for the defense today was Alice Hoagland. Her son, Mark Bingham, died aboard Flight 93, the plane that crashed into a Pennsylvania field on 9/11.

She joins us now from our Washington bureau.

Alice, good to have you.

ALICE HOAGLAND, MOTHER OF MARK BINGHAM: Thank you.

LIN: Was...

HOAGLAND: Thank...

LIN: Was it a tough day? Was it difficult to testify up there?

HOAGLAND: Yes.

LIN: What do you think was the hardest part about it?

HOAGLAND: Looking into the face of Zacarias Moussaoui and seeing hatred and contempt reflected back at me. On the other hand, I think that he was perhaps a little less hateful and a little less complacent than he has been in past days.

I've been watching the trial since Monday morning. I really commend Judge Brinkema for her insistence, her good adherence to the rule of law and her even-handed dispensation of justice. LIN: Moussaoui's attorneys are trying to save his life, essentially.

HOAGLAND: Yes.

LIN: Moussaoui though, doesn't seem to care about that. Why did they contact you? And why did you agree to testify?

HOAGLAND: I don't know why they contacted me but I'm sure glad they did. I don't know how Mark would feel about this. I hope that Mark is guiding me a little bit. I think that it is important for us and the United States now that we have demonstrated our justice, we've allowed Zacarias Moussaoui to convict himself out of his own mouth and the jury has very correctly determined that he is eligible for the death penalty.

It seems to me that now is an ideal time for us in America to come forward and demonstrate that we are a merciful people, that we are not willing to dispense with a human life as quickly as Zacarias Moussaoui would dispense with ours.

LIN: Alice, I've got to ask you this, and I say this with all due respect because I know how close you were and still are so connected with your son. Why don't you want to see this man die? We have the death penalty. He may qualify for it. So why don't you want to see him pay the ultimate price? He took a young man who was everything to you.

HOAGLAND: Well, I think other September 11th families, mothers particularly, would agree with me when I point out that taking another human life will not help us here in this situation. Mark Bingham was a man he loved everybody he ever came in contact with, he was a real tough guy and a head buster and a rugby player, but he also wanted everybody to have a good time.

I don't think that -- I don't know. I want so desperately to reconcile the ugliness that has encompassed us. Radical Islam is not Islam. And Islam is a beautiful religion. It is high time for us in America to educate ourselves about what it means to be a Muslim.

And it is high time for moderate Muslims in the United States and around the world to come forward and express that they are not supporters of radical Islam. And I'm doing what I can to bring about a reconciliation of two disparate worlds.

LIN: So what did you say on the stand?

HOAGLAND: Well, I have to be a little bit circumspect. It was easy to talk about Mark and my love for Mark, my joy at being his mom. When he first came out to me as a gay man, when he first came home and announced that he was going to play rugby and I was terrified at that, when he first came home and told me that he was moving to New York -- all of those things, my son put me on a really odd path, a really joyful path.

And I feel as though I continue to be on it. I'm here in Washington, D.C. this afternoon to stomp around on Capitol Hill to encourage Congress -- particularly Representative Martin Sabo has expressed some interest in helping us to encourage the Transportation Security Administration to lighten up on it's overuse of sensitive security information, SSI. So my life has taken another turn here.

LIN: It sure has. It sure has. And so, Alice, what do you think the jury took away from your testimony? Because if your intent is to ask them to give him mercy, it may have backfired knowing what a wonderful man your son was.

HOAGLAND: Well, I don't know what the jury took away. I do know that it was wonderful to be able to look in their eyes and express my love for my son and express his even-handed inclusiveness and his love for everyone, and the fact that Mark was coming back on Flight 93 to attend the wedding of his good friend and Kaisai (ph) brother Joe Salama, who is a Muslim.

LIN: Yes.

HOAGLAND: It was a wonderful experience. I truly hope that I did some good today. It was beautiful to be able to be other September 11 family members and feel their grief and their joy at being there.

LIN: You bet. And Mark certainly lives on through you, Alice.

HOAGLAND: Thank you. Thank you.

LIN: And I know you know that with every bit of your being. Alice, thanks for being with us today.

HOAGLAND: Well, thank you. Thank you.

LIN: Alice Hoagland.

Ahead this hour, disturbing news about the baby blues.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Those worries turn very dark and very frightening. Wendy became obsessed, something or someone, even Wendy herself, might hurt the baby.

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LIN: It's called post-partum obsessive compulsive disorder and it's surprisingly common among new moms. CNN investigates when LIVE FROM continues.

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LIN: Well, we've heard a lot about new babies this week. But as Brooke Shields can tell Katie Holmes, the joys of motherhood are sometimes followed by baby blues. And now we're hearing about a new type of post-partum depression. An article about post-partum OCD appears in this month's "Self" magazine. CNN's Deborah Feyerick investigated for "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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FEYERICK (voice-over): Even before her daughter was born, Wendy Isnardi admits she was a worrier.

WENDY ISNARDI, SUFFERS FROM PPD: I always worry about everything. I would be afraid that I left like a window open or a door unlocked or the oven on or an iron. I would go to work, leave my job, come back home to make sure that I turned everything off, which I knew that I did.

FEYERICK: After giving birth to Madison four years ago, those worries turned very dark and very frightening. Wendy became obsessed. Something or someone, even Wendy herself, might hurt the baby.

ISNARDI: I was afraid that she would fall down the stairs. She would drown in the tub. Whether it was by me, by my husband, by somebody, I was just horribly -- I was horrified.

FEYERICK: The violent thoughts kept playing in her mind, getting worse and worse.

ISNARDI: Every time I would try to, you know, stop the thoughts, they would just come on strong and the anxiety would get stronger and stronger.

FEYERICK: It got so bad, Wendy was afraid to be alone with her own child.

(on camera): Did you think, oh, my God, could I be an Andrea Yates?

ISNARDI: Yes, of course. That was my worst fear. And I think that's what I kind of hid myself. I would just stay in my room and just be away from everything, because everything would be safe.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Andrea Yates is the mother who drown her five young children in the bath tub. Yates was diagnosed with post- partum psychosis. Wendy was not. Her problem was different, something more common than most people realize. It wasn't just post- partum depression, but post-partum OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder triggered by the birth of her baby.

Doctor Shari Lusskin is a psychiatrist who treats mental illness in new moms.

DR. SHARI LUSSKIN, NYU MEDICAL CENTER: Up to 40 percent of mothers who have post-partum depression also have obsessive thoughts. And in general, in contrast to OCD in other situations, women who are post-partum have obsessions about the baby. So they worry in particular that they are going to do harm to the baby.

FEYERICK: That fear became so great, Wendy withdrew. Experts say that's a common reaction among new moms suffering from the disorder. ISNARDI: I am scared to death. I didn't understand. I just cried.

FEYERICK: Wendy's husband, who is a police officer, and her mom, Pat, cared for the baby full-time for almost three months.

(on camera): Did you think that she could actually hurt the baby?

PAT GUTTILLA, WENDY'S MOTHER: Oh, no. No. I was more concerned that she would possibly hurt herself, not the baby.

SONIA MURDOCK, POST-PARTUM RESOURCE CENTER: The fears of OCD with moms are very, very real.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Sonia Murdock runs the Post-Partum Resource Center of New York, which is where she and Wendy first met.

(on camera): Do these women fear that if they share their concerns, their thoughts, that their child might be taken from them?

MURDOCK: Absolutely. That is one of the greatest fears of moms going through post-partum OCD. They are afraid that they are going to be judged as bad people, bad mothers.

FEYERICK (voice-over): Murdock and other experts say many women don't seek help because they are so ashamed of their own thoughts. But the overwhelming question, could these violent thoughts lead a woman to harm her own baby?

LUSSKIN: The short answer is, absolutely not. The hallmark of OCD is that the patient recognizes that the thoughts are illogical and, therefore, they won't act on them.

ISNARDI: I was so afraid, and I wanted to love her and hug her and kiss her, but I was afraid of, I don't know what.

FEYERICK: The first three months of her baby's life went by in a blur. That's when Wendy, a self-described perfectionist, reached out for help. Through her Lamaze coach, she got in touch with a therapist and a psychiatrist who put her on anti-anxiety medication.

ISNARDI: As soon as I started getting help and when I joined the group at the resource center, there were other women there, other mothers that were going through the same thing. And it made it more normal to me.

FEYERICK: Wendy now volunteers at the Post-Partum Resource Center, talking to other women about her own experiences. As for her daughter ...

ISNARDI: Got to move out of the way when I come back, OK?

FEYERICK: The fear of really hurting her is all but gone.

(on camera): Do any of these thoughts come back? ISNARDI: Not really, no. I mean if they do, it's just a thought, and I just am able to, you know, just let it pass, just like anything else.

FEYERICK: When you look at Madison now, are you afraid you're going to hurt her?

ISNARDI: No, never. I love her so much. She is my life.

FEYERICK (voice-over): A life so precious, Wendy and her husband are now talking about having a second child.

Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.

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LIN: Be sure to join Paula Zahn weeknights at 8:00 Eastern, 5:00 Pacific right here on CNN.

The defense rests. For seven weeks jurors have been listening to why they should or should not sentence Zacarias Moussaoui to death. They even heard from the defendant himself. As well as from relatives of 9/11 victims. Our Justice correspondent Kelli Arena joins us from the courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia. How did it go today, Kelli?

KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well Carol, right now we're in a break. What is happening at this moment is that the prosecution has called a rebuttal witness. They have called a psychiatrist, a Dr. Raymond Patterson, who is basically contradicting what other mental health experts have said for the defense.

They said that Moussaoui was a paranoid schizophrenic. Dr. Patterson is saying that he thinks he's mentally competent, that he's not schizophrenic, that he may have a personality disorder like obsessive compulsive behavior.

He didn't give it a name. He says he does have a personality disorder, but that's not a serious mental illness. And that he has seen nothing about Moussaoui that would not make him capable of representing himself or standing trial.

Dr. Patterson, by the way, Carol, is the only psychiatrist who Moussaoui has allowed to interview him and he spent three days with him, about seven hours in total talking to him. So jury paying very close attention to what he has to say.

Before that, we heard from the defense, right before they rested their case and they introduced a statement that the government agreed to about Richard Reid. Now the reason that's important is because when Moussaoui took the stand, he said that Richard Reid was supposed to be in the plane with him on September 11th, that Moussaoui was supposed to fly into the White House.

Well this statement contradicts that and says that there's no information to show at all that Reid had any knowledge of 9/11 or that he was supposed to participate in a mission with Moussaoui. That Reid was traveling all over the place right before 9/11 when all the other 9/11 hijackers were in the United States. That Reid had actually named Moussaoui as a beneficiary in his will.

Well, he obviously wouldn't do that if he was supposed to be on a suicide mission with Moussaoui. So these were -- this was information that the jury was given. So lots of conflicting evidence all through this trial and we expect this jury to actually start deliberating on Monday.

LIN: Thanks, Kelli very much.

ARENA: You're welcome, Carol.

Well the anti-war fire still burns bright for Neil Young. The veteran rocker fires a musical shot across the bow of the Bush administration. We've got more on the motivation behind his new album, "Living With War," ahead on LIVE FROM.

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LIN: On the seventh anniversary of the Columbine School shooting, it is eerie to report that according to the "Associated Press," five students were arrested today in a foiled shooting plot at a rural southeast Kansas high school.

Apparently this was uncovered after details of the plan appeared on the Web site MySpace.com. According to the "Associated Press" once again that Cherokee County sheriff's deputies found guns, ammunitions, knives in the bedroom of one of the suspects.

Now a CNN producer just got off the phone with the school superintendent, David Walters (ph), who said that the school launched their own investigation this past Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon after a staff member notified them that there were some references to some -- an April 20th attack involving flack jackets and that Riverton High School was mentioned on MySpace.com -- in this mention on MySpace.com.

There were no specific names or details on that Web site. So the superintendent notified the police, and according to CNN reporting here, that Cherokee County police notified the school Wednesday afternoon. The detective from the Internet communication between a Riverton student and another student in North Carolina.

So the police acted on this information and according to the "Associated Press," these five students arrested in this plot. No word on whether it had anything to do with the seventh anniversary of the Columbine high school shooting. More on this as soon as we get it.

Meantime, he didn't like the war in Vietnam and doesn't like the war in Iraq. Veteran rock musician Neil Young springs a new protest album on his record label, calling it "Living With War." Now in an exclusive interview with CNN's Sibila Vargas, Young amplifies his view of politics and patriotism.

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NEIL YOUNG, SINGER: Living with war and having a conscience is what we're doing. If you have a conscience, you can't go through your day without realizing what's going on, and questioning it, and going, "Is this right?" You know, we have to be cognizant of the fact that we can make mistakes; that's how you -- that's part of freedom.

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Right.

YOUNG: We don't all have to believe in what our president believes to be patriotic. And we also -- you know, this talk about a 9/11 mentality. No one, George Bush or anyone else, owns the 9/11 mentality.

It belongs to the United States of America; it belongs to every one who was sitting there with their family watching TV, watching those buildings get hit by those jets; it belongs to George Bush and his family; it belongs to John Kerry and his family; it belongs to me and my family, my American family.

So I have a post-9/11 mentality. It's just not the same as George Bush's.

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LIN: More from Sibila and the day's top entertainment stories on "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT," that's weeknights at 7:00 p.m. and 11 p.m. Eastern on Headline Prime.

Going door-to-door, medical bag in hand, offering free breast exams. Police in south Florida say that's what Philip Winikoff was doing. And believe it or not, at least two women took him up on it. The problem, well the 76-year-old man is not a doctor. Winikoff is now in jail, charged with sexual battery and simple assault.

All right, listen up ladies. How would you like to become part of history? A Guinness world record. And to show your support, literally, for breast cancer awareness. All you have to do is send your bra to Cyprus. You heard me right. They're hoping to connect 100,000 brassieres and create the world's longest chain of bras, 56 miles long.

That may sound nuts, but organizers want to get the word out about prevention, early detection and treatment of breast cancer, which kills an estimated 400,000 women a year. No word on what they will do with the chain of bras afterwards. Perhaps the world's biggest slingshot, if people are interested.

Time now to check in with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. He's standing by in "THE SITUATION ROOM" to tell us what is coming up at the top of the hour. Hey, Wolf.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Carol. We've got lots going on including a president interrupted. The protesters seen around the world except in China. She disrupted the formal arrival ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House. And we're going to tell you what happened.

Also, race, politics and New Orleans. Hurricane voters get ready to go to the polls. Old tensions are flaring up again.

And this, Donald Trump in "THE SITUATION ROOM." Does he think anyone in the Bush administration should be fired? I'll ask him. All that coming up right here in "THE SITUATION ROOM." Carol?

LIN: Wow, the Donald. Thanks, Wolf. We'll be watching. More LIVE FROM next.

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LIN: Well you probably heard that old joke about fruitcakes. They last forever, nobody ever eats one. And they're just passed from person to person in perpetuity. Well a discovery in a suburb of Milwaukee may lend some support.

Lance Nesta found a 43.5-year-old fruitcake in his mother's attic. It was a gift from two aunts in 1962. Nesta says he didn't want to eat it then and he's not going to eat it now. He admits however the fruitcake looks no worse now than it did back then.

Dallas Mavericks fans are living the good life. Their team is headed to the playoffs and now their fans get to fly for free. Everyone who came to their final regular season home game last night received a voucher for a free flight on American Airlines. That's about 19,000 vouchers for the sold-out arena.

The closing bell is about to ring on Wall Street. Susan Lisovicz, live at the New York Stock Exchange. You can't make money giving away money?

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