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Beware of Spyware; 'Daily Dose'

Aired November 29, 2004 - 11:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: President Bush this hour nominated Carlos Gutierrez as his new secretary of commerce. Gutierrez is currently the CEO at Kellogg, and is widely credited for turning that company around. Gutierrez fled Cuba as a child in 1960.
The International Space Station has a new parking spot. The U.S. and Russian crew members redocked the station this morning. It's all part of preparations for space walks early next year.

And the movie monster Godzilla is getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That happens today. It coincides with the release of his 28th film today, "Godzilla: Final Wars."

We're keeping you informed, CNN is the most trusted name in news.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: You may not see, it but you know what, it's there, tracking your computer movements, and maybe even messing your PC up. Beware of spyware. What is it? And why is there a concern? Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg is going to be here in just a couple minutes. But first, here's the explanation.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know much about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop up ads.

(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera -- remember that? It was among the very first pop up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.

(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. But to help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket is like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop up ads. Well, initially, there was sort of a slow, steady stream -- annoying, but still manageable. Then, along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help?

(voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pus designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information.

How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?

Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.

(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.

(voice-over): One big tip-off that your machine has been infected is it'll start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.

We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary, to find out more.

(on camera): Now, spyware, beyond just providing all of these pop up ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I am typing? What do they then do with that information?

MARK RASCH, SOLUTIONARY, INC.: What we've created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at, what are you buying, what are you not buying, what time of day are you surfing, who are you. So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so what that spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it trying to sell it.

SIEBERG (on camera): Actually, we've been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit Company X's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie, which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers things like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.

Now, once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web.

Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.

RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.

SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.

RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we've got on this machine.

SIEBERG: How many would you guess are on there?

RASCH: I would guess if it's been running for about a day and a half, I would guess probably around a thousand.

SIEBERG: A thousand different programs or files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?

RASCH: That's right. So, so far, in the last six or seven seconds, it's got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.

SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming at this point.

RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need, simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.

SIEBERG: All right, so you've heard what spyware can do to you. But what can you do about spyware?

Well, the first thing you might want to consider is changing the Web browser you use. It turns out that most spyware programs can only run on Microsoft's Internet Explorer.

Now, beyond that, you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get some spyware blocking or scanning programs. There are plenty of them out there, including Adware, Spy Box, Spy Sweeper. Also, companies like Norton and McAfee have spyware upgrades for their anti- virus software. There are lots to choose from. You're just going to have to search around a little. The bottom line is, whichever you choose, keep it updated and run it regularly because spyware is likely here for the long haul.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SIEBERG: That's the bad news. The good news is, this year Congress started to take notice. Two bills prohibiting spyware have passed through the House, but they've stalled in the Senate. They would levy fines, or even jail time, against a person who hijacks a person's Internet use, or steals information. But there will almost certainly be enforcement issues, and it likely won't solve the whole problem. You can just look at last year's canned spam act, and we still have spam. For now, it's up to you. Download an anti-spyware program and scan your computer. I promise it won't take long. You'll be amazed and probably unnerved by what you find -- Rick, Daryn.

KAGAN: All right. Thank you for that.

OK, much more on that. People are thinking, oh, dear, let's look at their own computer. So we want to bring in a computer security expert that you just saw in Daniel Sieberg's report. Joining me now to talk more about computer privacy, Mark Rasch, senior vice president and chief security counsel for Solutionary Inc., live from Washington.

Good morning.

RASCH: Good morning.

KAGAN: I was waiting for the number in that piece. When you said 1,000 that, that kind of gave me chills. That's just amazing to think that there's that many, and you're talking an average computer.

RASCH: That's right. I ran it on a computer, and I came up with over 2,000 separate programs that were running, and the thing was moving very, very slowly.

KAGAN: And that was moving slowly. So why can't we just go to our lawmakers and say, get rid of this stuff, outlaw it?

RASCH: Well, one of the problems is it's really hard to define what is spyware. You can't just say any program that runs on my computer without my knowledge, because that's half the programs that are running on the computer. You can't say anything that's gathering personal information, because there's lots of programs that when I surf the Web, gather personal information. So they're are all these different aspects of spyware. You have to decide what it s it about spyware that makes it a crime.

KAGAN: So it kind of turns back into the old question about pornography, I'll know it when I see it.

RASCH: That's right, and we're doing a much better job of trying to define what spyware is and why it's illegal, abut the big problem, even if we passed a law, it wouldn't stop spyware. A lot of the spyware is coming from abroad. You have to really stop the marketplace for this kind of information, too.

KAGAN: And so that means basically also that it's going to come down to the consumer, you need to protect yourself.

RASCH: That's right.

KAGAN: Daniel's suggestion about downloading anti-spyware software.

RASCH: Yes, that's a great idea. And there are a number of reputable companies out there that he's talked about. But you have to be careful. In fact, just a couple months ago, the Federal Trade Commission instituted an enforcement action against a company that was purveying spyware to people, and then telling them, in fact, your CD tray would open up and say you're about to be infected, but you can buy this anti-spyware software and that will protect it, so they were putting out spyware, putting out spyware to sell the anti-spyware software.

KAGAN: How big of this do you think awareness plays into it, just making people aware that, you know what, when you're on the Internet, you are not by yourself.?

RASCH: Well, part of it is awareness. The problem is, even if you're aware, you don't know every Web page that's going to have spyware on it. So a lot of it is going to be defensive. I mean, stuff you want to do is use a different browser, like Mozilla Firefox.

KAGAN: Mozilla Firefox?

RASCH: Right, go to mozilla.org -- M-O-Z-I-L-L-A. And it's because there's anything wrong with the Internet Explorer; it's just that a lot of the spyware was written for the most popular browser. So if you use a slightly less popular or newer browser, like Firefox, by Mozilla, that's going to have built-in spyware protection of some sort.

KAGAN: OK, good clues, and thanks for making us aware, Mark. Mark Rasch, thank you.

RASCH: You're welcome.

KAGAN: From prying eyes to paying fingers, how might you purchase every day items just by using your fingerprint? Daniel Sieberg will be telling you about the emerging technology of biometrics. That is tomorrow.

Let your fingers do the walking.

SANCHEZ: Go away with it.

Also list Monday during this hour, we presented a story on the mammoth spending bill passed by Congress. In that report, CNN mistakenly identified a Congressman speaking about an abortion provision as Representative Curt Weldon, Republican of Pennsylvania. In fact, the congressman speaking was Representative Dave Weldon, Republican of Florida. CNN certainly regrets the error.

KAGAN: We -- talking about errors, how about infidelity, that can be a big mistake. But is it in the genes? Up next, Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at a possible biological reason why some people cheat.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: It is an age-old debate, whether nature or nurture determines our behavior. When it comes to infidelity, a new study finds that genetics might play a role in women cheating on their partners. Senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta details now in our "Daily Dose" of health news.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Well, a really interesting study. The question is this, does your DNA make you more predestined to cheat? In other words, do you have cheating genes? This is exactly the question researchers from England tried to sort out, looking at 1,600 pairs of twins, some of them identical, some of them fraternal, and looking at their behavior as well.

Here's what they concluded after examining the twins for a period of time: 41 percent of infidelity was linked to genes. Also the number of sexual partners a woman has over time, also genetic, 38 percent due to genes as well.

Interestingly, the survey also looked at not only behavior, but the attitudes towards behavior, and they found that the moral and ethics surrounding infidelity was the same. Most women thought that was wrong. So genes were responsible for the behavior, but not for the attitude towards it. An interesting study coming out. Also 40 percent is due to genetics, 60 percent must be due to environment, such as religion, such as upbringing as well.

A lot of people ask, well, this study was done in women, what about men? The researchers from England did not study men, but anthropologists have long believed that there is a genetic basis for men's infidelity as well, as men are put on earth programmed to procreate, they're more likely to try and spread their gene pool.

There is not an infidelity gene specifically out there. There's about 50 to 100 genes that may be responsible, according to these researchers, but an interesting study actually done in rodents, these rodents called voles, a study down at Emory University found that they could actually insert what they call a loyalty gene to turn an otherwise infidel rodent into a monogamous one for life. They haven't gotten there in humans yet, but that might the next step.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: All right, thank you, Sanjay.

Your "Daily Dose" of health news is always just a click away. Log on to CNN.com/health for the latest medical news. You're also find special reports and a health library.

SANCHEZ: Her father's accused of being a gunman behind a hunting massacre. Now a young woman is speaking out, with a different side in the story of this shooting.

KAGAN: We are back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Charges are expected today for the man suspected of shooting hunters in Wisconsin. Chai Vang is accused of shooting eight hunters, killing six of them, during a dispute over a hunting spot. Vang claims the hunters used racial slurs before shooting at him. One of the survivors says Vang shot first. Vang's daughter says the truth will eventually come out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KIA VANG, SUSPECT'S DAUGHTER: My father, he is a great person and does he take care of his family. He loves his family very much. And you know, at this time I really don't know what my father did. You know, I haven't talked to him. I haven't had any kind of contact with him. You know, it was a shock to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: Well, attorneys for Vang say that they may look at a mental health defense. Vang's first court appearance is scheduled for tomorrow. (STOCK MARKET UPDATE)

SANCHEZ: Curtains? Make the plane lighter by eliminating the curtains? Wouldn't you think that would just be the last of the...

KAGAN: It's an idea.

SANCHEZ: Whatever.

Weather's next. We'll be back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: Some tricky travel for millions of people trying to get home this morning from a hectic holiday weekend. A round of rain in the Northeast caused delays on flights in and out of La Guardia's Airport. In the west, hundreds of passengers still trying to get out of Reno, Nevada after a snowstorm canceled or delayed dozens of flight there. And they're still cleaning up roads in Colorado after a powerful storm dumped up to three feet of snow in parts of the state. Good news for the ski resorts, not so good for the travelers.

SANCHEZ: Yes, you've to read a lot of boring books that sometimes you pay too much for, because you buy them there at the audience, and they're jacked up. Incredible.

KAGAN: A captive audience.

(WEATHER REPORT)

KAGAN: That's going to do it for us.

SANCHEZ: Sometimes the obvious can be so funny.

KAGAN: Or maybe not.

SANCHEZ: I'm Rick Sanchez.

KAGAN: And I'm Daryn Kagan. Wolf Blitzer takes over at the top of the hour. See you tomorrow.

SANCHEZ: See you.

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Aired November 29, 2004 - 11:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: President Bush this hour nominated Carlos Gutierrez as his new secretary of commerce. Gutierrez is currently the CEO at Kellogg, and is widely credited for turning that company around. Gutierrez fled Cuba as a child in 1960.
The International Space Station has a new parking spot. The U.S. and Russian crew members redocked the station this morning. It's all part of preparations for space walks early next year.

And the movie monster Godzilla is getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That happens today. It coincides with the release of his 28th film today, "Godzilla: Final Wars."

We're keeping you informed, CNN is the most trusted name in news.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: You may not see, it but you know what, it's there, tracking your computer movements, and maybe even messing your PC up. Beware of spyware. What is it? And why is there a concern? Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg is going to be here in just a couple minutes. But first, here's the explanation.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know much about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop up ads.

(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera -- remember that? It was among the very first pop up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.

(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. But to help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket is like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop up ads. Well, initially, there was sort of a slow, steady stream -- annoying, but still manageable. Then, along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help?

(voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pus designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information.

How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?

Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.

(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.

(voice-over): One big tip-off that your machine has been infected is it'll start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.

We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary, to find out more.

(on camera): Now, spyware, beyond just providing all of these pop up ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I am typing? What do they then do with that information?

MARK RASCH, SOLUTIONARY, INC.: What we've created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at, what are you buying, what are you not buying, what time of day are you surfing, who are you. So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so what that spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it trying to sell it.

SIEBERG (on camera): Actually, we've been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit Company X's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie, which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers things like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.

Now, once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web.

Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.

RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.

SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.

RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we've got on this machine.

SIEBERG: How many would you guess are on there?

RASCH: I would guess if it's been running for about a day and a half, I would guess probably around a thousand.

SIEBERG: A thousand different programs or files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?

RASCH: That's right. So, so far, in the last six or seven seconds, it's got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.

SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming at this point.

RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need, simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.

SIEBERG: All right, so you've heard what spyware can do to you. But what can you do about spyware?

Well, the first thing you might want to consider is changing the Web browser you use. It turns out that most spyware programs can only run on Microsoft's Internet Explorer.

Now, beyond that, you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get some spyware blocking or scanning programs. There are plenty of them out there, including Adware, Spy Box, Spy Sweeper. Also, companies like Norton and McAfee have spyware upgrades for their anti- virus software. There are lots to choose from. You're just going to have to search around a little. The bottom line is, whichever you choose, keep it updated and run it regularly because spyware is likely here for the long haul.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SIEBERG: That's the bad news. The good news is, this year Congress started to take notice. Two bills prohibiting spyware have passed through the House, but they've stalled in the Senate. They would levy fines, or even jail time, against a person who hijacks a person's Internet use, or steals information. But there will almost certainly be enforcement issues, and it likely won't solve the whole problem. You can just look at last year's canned spam act, and we still have spam. For now, it's up to you. Download an anti-spyware program and scan your computer. I promise it won't take long. You'll be amazed and probably unnerved by what you find -- Rick, Daryn.

KAGAN: All right. Thank you for that.

OK, much more on that. People are thinking, oh, dear, let's look at their own computer. So we want to bring in a computer security expert that you just saw in Daniel Sieberg's report. Joining me now to talk more about computer privacy, Mark Rasch, senior vice president and chief security counsel for Solutionary Inc., live from Washington.

Good morning.

RASCH: Good morning.

KAGAN: I was waiting for the number in that piece. When you said 1,000 that, that kind of gave me chills. That's just amazing to think that there's that many, and you're talking an average computer.

RASCH: That's right. I ran it on a computer, and I came up with over 2,000 separate programs that were running, and the thing was moving very, very slowly.

KAGAN: And that was moving slowly. So why can't we just go to our lawmakers and say, get rid of this stuff, outlaw it?

RASCH: Well, one of the problems is it's really hard to define what is spyware. You can't just say any program that runs on my computer without my knowledge, because that's half the programs that are running on the computer. You can't say anything that's gathering personal information, because there's lots of programs that when I surf the Web, gather personal information. So they're are all these different aspects of spyware. You have to decide what it s it about spyware that makes it a crime.

KAGAN: So it kind of turns back into the old question about pornography, I'll know it when I see it.

RASCH: That's right, and we're doing a much better job of trying to define what spyware is and why it's illegal, abut the big problem, even if we passed a law, it wouldn't stop spyware. A lot of the spyware is coming from abroad. You have to really stop the marketplace for this kind of information, too.

KAGAN: And so that means basically also that it's going to come down to the consumer, you need to protect yourself.

RASCH: That's right.

KAGAN: Daniel's suggestion about downloading anti-spyware software.

RASCH: Yes, that's a great idea. And there are a number of reputable companies out there that he's talked about. But you have to be careful. In fact, just a couple months ago, the Federal Trade Commission instituted an enforcement action against a company that was purveying spyware to people, and then telling them, in fact, your CD tray would open up and say you're about to be infected, but you can buy this anti-spyware software and that will protect it, so they were putting out spyware, putting out spyware to sell the anti-spyware software.

KAGAN: How big of this do you think awareness plays into it, just making people aware that, you know what, when you're on the Internet, you are not by yourself.?

RASCH: Well, part of it is awareness. The problem is, even if you're aware, you don't know every Web page that's going to have spyware on it. So a lot of it is going to be defensive. I mean, stuff you want to do is use a different browser, like Mozilla Firefox.

KAGAN: Mozilla Firefox?

RASCH: Right, go to mozilla.org -- M-O-Z-I-L-L-A. And it's because there's anything wrong with the Internet Explorer; it's just that a lot of the spyware was written for the most popular browser. So if you use a slightly less popular or newer browser, like Firefox, by Mozilla, that's going to have built-in spyware protection of some sort.

KAGAN: OK, good clues, and thanks for making us aware, Mark. Mark Rasch, thank you.

RASCH: You're welcome.

KAGAN: From prying eyes to paying fingers, how might you purchase every day items just by using your fingerprint? Daniel Sieberg will be telling you about the emerging technology of biometrics. That is tomorrow.

Let your fingers do the walking.

SANCHEZ: Go away with it.

Also list Monday during this hour, we presented a story on the mammoth spending bill passed by Congress. In that report, CNN mistakenly identified a Congressman speaking about an abortion provision as Representative Curt Weldon, Republican of Pennsylvania. In fact, the congressman speaking was Representative Dave Weldon, Republican of Florida. CNN certainly regrets the error.

KAGAN: We -- talking about errors, how about infidelity, that can be a big mistake. But is it in the genes? Up next, Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at a possible biological reason why some people cheat.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: It is an age-old debate, whether nature or nurture determines our behavior. When it comes to infidelity, a new study finds that genetics might play a role in women cheating on their partners. Senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta details now in our "Daily Dose" of health news.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Well, a really interesting study. The question is this, does your DNA make you more predestined to cheat? In other words, do you have cheating genes? This is exactly the question researchers from England tried to sort out, looking at 1,600 pairs of twins, some of them identical, some of them fraternal, and looking at their behavior as well.

Here's what they concluded after examining the twins for a period of time: 41 percent of infidelity was linked to genes. Also the number of sexual partners a woman has over time, also genetic, 38 percent due to genes as well.

Interestingly, the survey also looked at not only behavior, but the attitudes towards behavior, and they found that the moral and ethics surrounding infidelity was the same. Most women thought that was wrong. So genes were responsible for the behavior, but not for the attitude towards it. An interesting study coming out. Also 40 percent is due to genetics, 60 percent must be due to environment, such as religion, such as upbringing as well.

A lot of people ask, well, this study was done in women, what about men? The researchers from England did not study men, but anthropologists have long believed that there is a genetic basis for men's infidelity as well, as men are put on earth programmed to procreate, they're more likely to try and spread their gene pool.

There is not an infidelity gene specifically out there. There's about 50 to 100 genes that may be responsible, according to these researchers, but an interesting study actually done in rodents, these rodents called voles, a study down at Emory University found that they could actually insert what they call a loyalty gene to turn an otherwise infidel rodent into a monogamous one for life. They haven't gotten there in humans yet, but that might the next step.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: All right, thank you, Sanjay.

Your "Daily Dose" of health news is always just a click away. Log on to CNN.com/health for the latest medical news. You're also find special reports and a health library.

SANCHEZ: Her father's accused of being a gunman behind a hunting massacre. Now a young woman is speaking out, with a different side in the story of this shooting.

KAGAN: We are back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Charges are expected today for the man suspected of shooting hunters in Wisconsin. Chai Vang is accused of shooting eight hunters, killing six of them, during a dispute over a hunting spot. Vang claims the hunters used racial slurs before shooting at him. One of the survivors says Vang shot first. Vang's daughter says the truth will eventually come out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KIA VANG, SUSPECT'S DAUGHTER: My father, he is a great person and does he take care of his family. He loves his family very much. And you know, at this time I really don't know what my father did. You know, I haven't talked to him. I haven't had any kind of contact with him. You know, it was a shock to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: Well, attorneys for Vang say that they may look at a mental health defense. Vang's first court appearance is scheduled for tomorrow. (STOCK MARKET UPDATE)

SANCHEZ: Curtains? Make the plane lighter by eliminating the curtains? Wouldn't you think that would just be the last of the...

KAGAN: It's an idea.

SANCHEZ: Whatever.

Weather's next. We'll be back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: Some tricky travel for millions of people trying to get home this morning from a hectic holiday weekend. A round of rain in the Northeast caused delays on flights in and out of La Guardia's Airport. In the west, hundreds of passengers still trying to get out of Reno, Nevada after a snowstorm canceled or delayed dozens of flight there. And they're still cleaning up roads in Colorado after a powerful storm dumped up to three feet of snow in parts of the state. Good news for the ski resorts, not so good for the travelers.

SANCHEZ: Yes, you've to read a lot of boring books that sometimes you pay too much for, because you buy them there at the audience, and they're jacked up. Incredible.

KAGAN: A captive audience.

(WEATHER REPORT)

KAGAN: That's going to do it for us.

SANCHEZ: Sometimes the obvious can be so funny.

KAGAN: Or maybe not.

SANCHEZ: I'm Rick Sanchez.

KAGAN: And I'm Daryn Kagan. Wolf Blitzer takes over at the top of the hour. See you tomorrow.

SANCHEZ: See you.

TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com