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How to Recognize a Bad Boss; Talking With Governor Mike Huckabee

Aired May 11, 2005 - 10:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: We are coming up on the half hour. I'm Daryn Kagan. Good morning once again. Let's take a look at what's happening "Now in the News."
Insurgents launch seven attacks across Iraq that killed at least 56 people and wounded nearly 100. Most of today's attacks were in Baghdad, but the two most deadly were north of the capital, including one bombing outside an army recruitment center. Two Iraqi soldiers are among the dead.

Actor Macaulay Culkin may testify today in Michael Jackson's child molestation. Culkin is expected to refute claims anything inappropriate ever happened between him and the entertainer. But first, Jackson's Neverland Ranch manager heads back to the stand. He is countering claims that the accuser's family was kept prisoner at the ranch.

And we could learn more in the next hour about the case against the double murder suspect. Jerry Hobbs is set to appear at a bond hearing this morning. He's accused of killing his 8-year-old daughter and her best friend. The girls' bodies were found Monday in a wooded area near their Zion, Illinois home. Police say both girls had been beaten and stabbed.

Our next story is all about fighting back and winning, by the way. And the lesson is told through the eyes and fists of a feisty 9- year-old girl. CNN's Ed Lavandera has her story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Candy McBride is nine years old, 4'8'' all and is stuck at 79 pounds. But don't let cute fool you.

(on camera): For all the other fourth-graders who might see this out there, how would you describe yourself?

MCBRIDE: Athletic, funny. I can kick butt.

LAVANDERA (voice-over): That's the strong-willed attitude her family says helped Candy put 26-year-old Jimmy Guard in jail. The 5'10'', 185-pound man is awaiting trial for attempted kidnapping. He's accused of trying to abduct Candy last November and has pled not guilty.

CHARLOTTE CARR, MOTHER OF CANDY: She come like up through the grass, or what have you, and she was cutting across here. And so it happened just like right here.

LAVANDERA: Candy had just got off her school bus when police say Guard jumped from behind a tree.

CARR: When he grabbed her, he put his hands over her mouth, and he had her arms up behind her head.

LAVANDERA (on camera): The attack happened about 100 yards away from Candy's home and also just a few feet away from a busy roadway. It was 4:00 in the afternoon. Cars were driving by. Other kids were walking home from school. But, still, no one was close enough to help.

(voice-over): Candy was alone, but hardly helpless. In an instant, this little fourth-grader got mad enough to unleash her fury.

MCBRIDE: He came behind me and put my hands like that. And then I turned. I kicked him like that. I turned around. I punched him. Then he punched me back. Then I slapped him. He slapped me back. And then I hit him one more time in the stomach. Then I ran home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No.

LAVANDERA: Candy developed the confidence to fight back in a self-defense training course called radKIDS.

ALLISON LAWSON, RADKIDS INSTRUCTOR: RadKIDS stance. Yell, stay back.

CHILDREN: Stay back. You're not my mom.

LAVANDERA: RAD stands for Resist Aggression Defensively. She took the class as a second-grader, but the lessons stuck.

MCBRIDE: Whoever hits me, believe me, they're going to get something back.

LAWSON: No. And then maybe they'll let go. What do we do? We run away and go tell somebody, right?

LAVANDERA: Allison Lawson is the instructor who taught Candy. She says the course doesn't just tell kids how to be safe. It shows them what to do to protect themselves, like how to elude and escape an attacker's grip.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come with me, kid.

MCBRIDE: No.

LAWSON: One of the kids that I think radKIDS did for her was to help give her the mind-set, so that, when it really happens, they're able to kind of take control of that situation and instead of kind of freaking out for a minute and trying to decide what to do, there's a little bit of, oh, I know. There's a little bit of control there.

LAVANDERA: Not only did Candy get away. Police say she got a good enough look at the attacker that the next day she instantly picked Jimmy Guard out of a photo lineup. Candy's mother credits the radKIDS course for helping her daughter stay cool under pressure.

(on camera): Were you ever scared?

MCBRIDE: Never.

LAVANDERA: Never?

MCBRIDE: I'm not scared, not of anything but my mom.

(LAUGHTER)

LAVANDERA (voice-over): Candy has a message for every young child who thinks they're too small and weak to get away from a strong attacker. Confidence, she says, is key.

MCBRIDE: They can be 2 feet, for all I care. They can do it.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And that was CNN's Ed Lavandera reporting from Utah. You can learn more about enrolling your child in radKIDS at radkids.org.

Now let's take a look at other stories making news coast-to- coast.

In was Waynesville, North Carolina, a Baptist pastor has resigned amid charges that he tainted the pulpit with politics. Church members say that Chan Chandler demanded that John Kerry supporters leave the church because they were sinners. The minister did not deny the claims or apologize in his resignation.

In Minnesota, two Northwest airliners collided last night at the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport. Six people were hurt when the DC-9 lost control on the tarmac and slid into an Airbus. The DC-9 pilot reported hydraulic problems before landing. All the injured were crew members.

And near Cleveland, Ohio, a teenager learned that taste is not only subjective, but prohibitive, as well. High school officials barred him from his prom because of his glitzy cowboy outfit. Now that is one good looking guy. They say his boots, black shirt and fur-trimmed jacket didn't meet their dress standard.

All right. Well, any working stiff can tell you that bad bosses can take many forms. There are screamers, backstabbers, glory- seekers. In fact, U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton is facing congressional scrutiny over accusations of being a bad boss.

So how do you recognize one and how do you reform one? CNN's Valerie Morris joins us from New York with some tips. Hi, Valerie.

VALERIE MORRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Daryn. We're talking two topics here, right? How do you recognize one and how do you reform one? Well, we all know that the schoolyard bully, what he or she was like growing up. But what happens when that schoolyard bully grows up to become a boss? Well, according to the Workplace Bullying and Trauma Institute, one in six workers have directly experienced bullying by a boss in any given year, and 71 percent of the bullying is done from the top down.

Now, being tough yet fair does not make a boss a bullly. I'm going to tell you now the top five characteristics of a bullying boss. And they are, number one, fabricating errors. In other words, a person who sets people up for a fall.

Also, non-verbal glaring hostility. That is trait number two. They can give you that look -- you know, the one that just makes you wither and wonder, what can I do?

Discounting the person's thoughts or feelings, that's the third. It is a stupid strategy that you're doing. They berate you and make you feel that no matter what you do, it's not good enough.

Using the silent treatment or icing someone out. And that suggests that, you know, you don't work well with others, so you're kind of going to be push aside.

And finally, they have uncontrollable mood swings in public, like fist pounding or those veins standing out and popping.

Surprisingly -- and I know, Daryn, that you're probably wondering, are people using bad language? Is that on the list? It is on the list, but surprisingly, it's number 13. The basics. Here's the basic way to describe all the bullying tactics. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARY NAMIE, WORKPLACE BULLYING AND TRAUMA: The basic way to describe all the bullying tactics is they are all about control, regardless of the choice of specific tactics. They are all about control of another person and the bully is playing out his or her personal agenda without paying attention to what it takes to get work done. They actually prevent work from getting done because they want to control other people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORRIS: A bad boss can not only wreak havoc in your life, but can also cause some deep psychological problems that can jeopardize your well-being.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NAMIE: There's a whole host of stress-related health complications that include hair loss, skin nervous disorders, like shingles. You've got the onset of cardiovascular problems, with hypertension, the high blood pressure, the silent killer. And then people have strokes and heart attacks. Then you've got all the gastrointestinal problems. It's a whole family of unwanted, uninvited health complications.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORRIS: Now, Daryn, to the second part of your question on what to do. Unfortunately, many experts say that there's really no such thing as reforming a bad boss, because most of the traits are inherent. There are, however, management consultants who can be brought in to try and whip that bully into shape through communication and training.

But the reality is, once a bully, sometimes always a bully. And the best that you can hope for is to alter the manners, not to eliminate the trait.

KAGAN: Very good. I'm thinking back on all my bosses. I think I've been pretty lucky.

MORRIS: Well, I think I've been pretty lucky, too. But you know what? I want to go back to that little girl -- Candy McBride story.

KAGAN: I know!

MORRIS: What if she faces a bullying boss?

KAGAN: I'm going to call her. If I have a problem with boss, I'm going to call her and she'll take care of everything.

MORRIS: There may be a different outcome.

KAGAN: Absolutely. Valerie, thank you.

Joining us tonight for "Bad Bosses: What Makes Them So Bad?" That's "ANDERSON COOPER 360," 7:00 Eastern, 4:00 Pacific here on CNN.

Still ahead on CNN LIVE TODAY, pension problems at United Airlines and why if you're not an employee, it could still impact you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

KAGAN: Looking to trim your waist, a few suggestions still to come. Before-and-after photos of Arkansas governor. Take a look at this. This is Governor Mike Huckabee. He's lost more than 100 pounds. He is here with me to talk about how he did it and tips he has for you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: All right, do not adjust your television set. That is Senator Hillary Clinton appearing at an event with, yes, look to the very back there, Newt Gingrich is there, too. You have Senators Hillary Clinton, Mel Martinez, former House speaker Newt Gingrich among those attending. It's' a future of healthcare in America, the topic of this news conference in Washington this hour. You're not the only one who is surprised to see these two people together. Let's go ahead and hear what Senator Clinton had to say just a few minutes ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: I know it's a bit of odd fellow, or odd woman mix, but Speaker Gingrich and I have been talking about health care and national security actually now for several years. And I find that he and I have a lot in common in the way we see the problems we're going to have to deal with in order to have a 21st century health care system.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAGAN: Our Bill Schneider joins us. He has more on the story with a perspective.

Is that a picture, Bill, you ever thought you would see?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POL. ANALYST: A great picture, and they were introduced by Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island. Kennedy introducing a partnership between Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich. That's really phenomenal, and of course she just remarked how odd this is.

Remember Gingrich was one of the strongest critics of her health care-reform proposal back in the early 1990s, just after her husband became president, and Gingrich of course took a lot of responsibility for having stopped that proposal. And now here they are, teamed up with a somewhat different health care plan.

KAGAN: Right, well speaking of plans, any questions that these two people have, let's just say, designs on '08 on a potential presidential race.

SCHNEIDER: I don't think there's a lot of question Hillary Rodham Clinton is -- may be interested. She's hasn't declared any intention. She's at the top of the list of any poll of Democrats who they would prefer to see run for president. Gingrich has also indicated that he may be interested in running for president in '08. So they're both potential presidential contenders. And, of course, teaming up like this puts them both in the spotlight. Here we are talking about them.

KAGAN: Very interesting. Well, you know, we've heard from a Democrat, Hillary Clinton, so let's just hear a little bit from Newt Gingrich.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NEWT GINGRICH, FMR. GOP HOUSE SPEAKER: ... to see the leadership that Congressman Murphy and Congressman Kennedy have pushed forward again and again. And to be with Senator Clinton, and she and I have both been talking with Senator Frist and others, and I think there will be a very strong bipartisan bill in the Senate. You know, the time is right to do something dramatic, first because President Bush has given more speeches on health information technology than any president in history. Secretary Thompson advocated health information technology...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAGAN: What he's talking about is creating health-information networks. And that's what the former House speaker is making reference to there.

Once again, this is a news conference going on this hour in Washington.

Our thanks to Bill Schneider as well.

We're going to keep an Arkansas political theme going here a little bit, because special guest today, Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. He is actually a politician who doesn't mind losing. But let's be clear, governor, about what we're talking about losing: You have lost more than 100 pounds through diet and exercise, and basically just deciding enough is enough.

GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE (R), ARKANSAS: Interesting watching Hillary and Newt, because last week, Bill Clinton and I were together in New York launching an initiative for the American Heart Association on combating childhood obesity. It's an epidemic. I mean, America is getting larger, we really are, and we've got to do something about it. And I had to do something about it personally before I could do something about it in my state, because leaders can't ask others to do what they aren't willing to do.

KAGAN: Do as I say.

HUCKABEE: Yes, and, plus, from a personal standpoint, If I didn't, I'd be taking the ultimate dirt nap, not too long from now, so...

KAGAN: You think so. You had a big scare?

HUCKABEE: The doctor told me I had 10 years left. He said, if you don't make some changes, you've got 10 years left. And now he says I'm going to live as old as anybody else, and I've got a long, long life to look forward to.

KAGAN: Want to get back to the health thing in a moment. First of all, when you see Newt Gingrich and Hillary Clinton, the former first lady of Arkansas in your state.

HUCKABEE: My first thought is, in this corner, weighing in at, and in this -- but I think one of the things that this is showing is that the health issues erases all the political polarities. This is an issues that is bringing people together, because everybody wants to be healthy, everybody wants America to be a healthier place. We don't want our kids to die younger than we did, and so I think people are willing to sort of stop back and say, let's talk about what's good for the country, not what's good for our political party. For once, for once we're actually doing that.

KAGAN: Let's talk about your battle, at your heaviest? What were you?

HUCKABEE: Over 280 pounds. I was diagnosed with type-two diabetes.

KAGAN: And ticked at yourself.

HUCKABEE: I was very angry at myself, and I was hurt. I was angry and disappointed, because I knew that this was inevitable with two diabetic parents, but I didn't do the things that I needed to do. I'd never been an athlete. I'd never been active and taken care of myself. And the older I got, the worse I would get. And I would yo- yo diet and never keep it off, went through all those things. And finally I realized, this isn't about weight loss, this is about health and fitness, and that's why I felt like that I needed to tell the story. And so the book is about 12 stops.

KAGAN: Instead of 12 steps.

HUCKABEE: Things you need to stop doing. Right.

KAGAN: And the book is called "Quit Digging Your Grave With a Knife and Fork." That's something that you actually felt that you were doing.

HUCKABEE: I was digging my grave with a knife and fork.

KAGAN: And you talk about abuse. You're saying stop the abuse. Do you really feel like it was a form of self-abuse?

HUCKABEE: Sure. I was killing myself. I was doing it in a very gradual way, but the truth was by not eating good foods -- and one of the things I talk about is stop eating with contaminated foods, I was gradually taking my health away. And I was sick and tired of being sick and tired, which is exactly the way I felt. Everyday I'd wake up and I'd say, I don't feel good. I thought people in their late to mid-40s were supposed to feel bad. Now I felt better than I thought when I was in a teenager. And in March, I ran 26.2 miles in the Little Rock Marathon, something I never thought I could do.

(CROSSTALK)

KAGAN: You know, the bad news, I got to tell you, about this book, is with weight loss, most people want to look in here and they want to see the magic bullet, the magic diet, the easy way. And at the end of the day, eat better, exercise more is kind of the story.

HUCKABEE: Well, it really does. But what I try to focus on is a very positive and encouraging message from one couch potato to others who don't think they can do it.

And this is not designed to be a substitute for South Beach or Atkins. It's about what goes on in your mind, not your mouth. And what I really want to focus on is that in order to start good habits, which is what we want to do, you have to identify, confront and stop the bad ones.

KAGAN: Well, we're so glad you did and that you've shared your story in the book. Once again, the book is called "Quit Digging Your Grave With a Knife and a Fork."

Governor Huckabee of Arkansas. You look great.

HUCKABEE: Thank you, Daryn.

KAGAN: Keep up the good work. And it looks like the good health is here to stay.

HUCKABEE: Appreciate it. Thanks.

KAGAN: Thank you.

Well, let's check the time right here. It's 10:55 -- actually make that 9:55 in Zion, Illinois, where the father of one the slain girls is set to appear in court in about an hour, 7:55 in Santa Maria, California, where actor Macaulay Culkin is expected at Michael Jackson's trial.

Stay with us. We'll be back with quick check of your morning forecast.

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Aired May 11, 2005 - 10:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: We are coming up on the half hour. I'm Daryn Kagan. Good morning once again. Let's take a look at what's happening "Now in the News."
Insurgents launch seven attacks across Iraq that killed at least 56 people and wounded nearly 100. Most of today's attacks were in Baghdad, but the two most deadly were north of the capital, including one bombing outside an army recruitment center. Two Iraqi soldiers are among the dead.

Actor Macaulay Culkin may testify today in Michael Jackson's child molestation. Culkin is expected to refute claims anything inappropriate ever happened between him and the entertainer. But first, Jackson's Neverland Ranch manager heads back to the stand. He is countering claims that the accuser's family was kept prisoner at the ranch.

And we could learn more in the next hour about the case against the double murder suspect. Jerry Hobbs is set to appear at a bond hearing this morning. He's accused of killing his 8-year-old daughter and her best friend. The girls' bodies were found Monday in a wooded area near their Zion, Illinois home. Police say both girls had been beaten and stabbed.

Our next story is all about fighting back and winning, by the way. And the lesson is told through the eyes and fists of a feisty 9- year-old girl. CNN's Ed Lavandera has her story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Candy McBride is nine years old, 4'8'' all and is stuck at 79 pounds. But don't let cute fool you.

(on camera): For all the other fourth-graders who might see this out there, how would you describe yourself?

MCBRIDE: Athletic, funny. I can kick butt.

LAVANDERA (voice-over): That's the strong-willed attitude her family says helped Candy put 26-year-old Jimmy Guard in jail. The 5'10'', 185-pound man is awaiting trial for attempted kidnapping. He's accused of trying to abduct Candy last November and has pled not guilty.

CHARLOTTE CARR, MOTHER OF CANDY: She come like up through the grass, or what have you, and she was cutting across here. And so it happened just like right here.

LAVANDERA: Candy had just got off her school bus when police say Guard jumped from behind a tree.

CARR: When he grabbed her, he put his hands over her mouth, and he had her arms up behind her head.

LAVANDERA (on camera): The attack happened about 100 yards away from Candy's home and also just a few feet away from a busy roadway. It was 4:00 in the afternoon. Cars were driving by. Other kids were walking home from school. But, still, no one was close enough to help.

(voice-over): Candy was alone, but hardly helpless. In an instant, this little fourth-grader got mad enough to unleash her fury.

MCBRIDE: He came behind me and put my hands like that. And then I turned. I kicked him like that. I turned around. I punched him. Then he punched me back. Then I slapped him. He slapped me back. And then I hit him one more time in the stomach. Then I ran home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No.

LAVANDERA: Candy developed the confidence to fight back in a self-defense training course called radKIDS.

ALLISON LAWSON, RADKIDS INSTRUCTOR: RadKIDS stance. Yell, stay back.

CHILDREN: Stay back. You're not my mom.

LAVANDERA: RAD stands for Resist Aggression Defensively. She took the class as a second-grader, but the lessons stuck.

MCBRIDE: Whoever hits me, believe me, they're going to get something back.

LAWSON: No. And then maybe they'll let go. What do we do? We run away and go tell somebody, right?

LAVANDERA: Allison Lawson is the instructor who taught Candy. She says the course doesn't just tell kids how to be safe. It shows them what to do to protect themselves, like how to elude and escape an attacker's grip.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come with me, kid.

MCBRIDE: No.

LAWSON: One of the kids that I think radKIDS did for her was to help give her the mind-set, so that, when it really happens, they're able to kind of take control of that situation and instead of kind of freaking out for a minute and trying to decide what to do, there's a little bit of, oh, I know. There's a little bit of control there.

LAVANDERA: Not only did Candy get away. Police say she got a good enough look at the attacker that the next day she instantly picked Jimmy Guard out of a photo lineup. Candy's mother credits the radKIDS course for helping her daughter stay cool under pressure.

(on camera): Were you ever scared?

MCBRIDE: Never.

LAVANDERA: Never?

MCBRIDE: I'm not scared, not of anything but my mom.

(LAUGHTER)

LAVANDERA (voice-over): Candy has a message for every young child who thinks they're too small and weak to get away from a strong attacker. Confidence, she says, is key.

MCBRIDE: They can be 2 feet, for all I care. They can do it.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And that was CNN's Ed Lavandera reporting from Utah. You can learn more about enrolling your child in radKIDS at radkids.org.

Now let's take a look at other stories making news coast-to- coast.

In was Waynesville, North Carolina, a Baptist pastor has resigned amid charges that he tainted the pulpit with politics. Church members say that Chan Chandler demanded that John Kerry supporters leave the church because they were sinners. The minister did not deny the claims or apologize in his resignation.

In Minnesota, two Northwest airliners collided last night at the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport. Six people were hurt when the DC-9 lost control on the tarmac and slid into an Airbus. The DC-9 pilot reported hydraulic problems before landing. All the injured were crew members.

And near Cleveland, Ohio, a teenager learned that taste is not only subjective, but prohibitive, as well. High school officials barred him from his prom because of his glitzy cowboy outfit. Now that is one good looking guy. They say his boots, black shirt and fur-trimmed jacket didn't meet their dress standard.

All right. Well, any working stiff can tell you that bad bosses can take many forms. There are screamers, backstabbers, glory- seekers. In fact, U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton is facing congressional scrutiny over accusations of being a bad boss.

So how do you recognize one and how do you reform one? CNN's Valerie Morris joins us from New York with some tips. Hi, Valerie.

VALERIE MORRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Daryn. We're talking two topics here, right? How do you recognize one and how do you reform one? Well, we all know that the schoolyard bully, what he or she was like growing up. But what happens when that schoolyard bully grows up to become a boss? Well, according to the Workplace Bullying and Trauma Institute, one in six workers have directly experienced bullying by a boss in any given year, and 71 percent of the bullying is done from the top down.

Now, being tough yet fair does not make a boss a bullly. I'm going to tell you now the top five characteristics of a bullying boss. And they are, number one, fabricating errors. In other words, a person who sets people up for a fall.

Also, non-verbal glaring hostility. That is trait number two. They can give you that look -- you know, the one that just makes you wither and wonder, what can I do?

Discounting the person's thoughts or feelings, that's the third. It is a stupid strategy that you're doing. They berate you and make you feel that no matter what you do, it's not good enough.

Using the silent treatment or icing someone out. And that suggests that, you know, you don't work well with others, so you're kind of going to be push aside.

And finally, they have uncontrollable mood swings in public, like fist pounding or those veins standing out and popping.

Surprisingly -- and I know, Daryn, that you're probably wondering, are people using bad language? Is that on the list? It is on the list, but surprisingly, it's number 13. The basics. Here's the basic way to describe all the bullying tactics. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARY NAMIE, WORKPLACE BULLYING AND TRAUMA: The basic way to describe all the bullying tactics is they are all about control, regardless of the choice of specific tactics. They are all about control of another person and the bully is playing out his or her personal agenda without paying attention to what it takes to get work done. They actually prevent work from getting done because they want to control other people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORRIS: A bad boss can not only wreak havoc in your life, but can also cause some deep psychological problems that can jeopardize your well-being.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NAMIE: There's a whole host of stress-related health complications that include hair loss, skin nervous disorders, like shingles. You've got the onset of cardiovascular problems, with hypertension, the high blood pressure, the silent killer. And then people have strokes and heart attacks. Then you've got all the gastrointestinal problems. It's a whole family of unwanted, uninvited health complications.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORRIS: Now, Daryn, to the second part of your question on what to do. Unfortunately, many experts say that there's really no such thing as reforming a bad boss, because most of the traits are inherent. There are, however, management consultants who can be brought in to try and whip that bully into shape through communication and training.

But the reality is, once a bully, sometimes always a bully. And the best that you can hope for is to alter the manners, not to eliminate the trait.

KAGAN: Very good. I'm thinking back on all my bosses. I think I've been pretty lucky.

MORRIS: Well, I think I've been pretty lucky, too. But you know what? I want to go back to that little girl -- Candy McBride story.

KAGAN: I know!

MORRIS: What if she faces a bullying boss?

KAGAN: I'm going to call her. If I have a problem with boss, I'm going to call her and she'll take care of everything.

MORRIS: There may be a different outcome.

KAGAN: Absolutely. Valerie, thank you.

Joining us tonight for "Bad Bosses: What Makes Them So Bad?" That's "ANDERSON COOPER 360," 7:00 Eastern, 4:00 Pacific here on CNN.

Still ahead on CNN LIVE TODAY, pension problems at United Airlines and why if you're not an employee, it could still impact you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(STOCK MARKET REPORT)

KAGAN: Looking to trim your waist, a few suggestions still to come. Before-and-after photos of Arkansas governor. Take a look at this. This is Governor Mike Huckabee. He's lost more than 100 pounds. He is here with me to talk about how he did it and tips he has for you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: All right, do not adjust your television set. That is Senator Hillary Clinton appearing at an event with, yes, look to the very back there, Newt Gingrich is there, too. You have Senators Hillary Clinton, Mel Martinez, former House speaker Newt Gingrich among those attending. It's' a future of healthcare in America, the topic of this news conference in Washington this hour. You're not the only one who is surprised to see these two people together. Let's go ahead and hear what Senator Clinton had to say just a few minutes ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: I know it's a bit of odd fellow, or odd woman mix, but Speaker Gingrich and I have been talking about health care and national security actually now for several years. And I find that he and I have a lot in common in the way we see the problems we're going to have to deal with in order to have a 21st century health care system.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAGAN: Our Bill Schneider joins us. He has more on the story with a perspective.

Is that a picture, Bill, you ever thought you would see?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POL. ANALYST: A great picture, and they were introduced by Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island. Kennedy introducing a partnership between Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich. That's really phenomenal, and of course she just remarked how odd this is.

Remember Gingrich was one of the strongest critics of her health care-reform proposal back in the early 1990s, just after her husband became president, and Gingrich of course took a lot of responsibility for having stopped that proposal. And now here they are, teamed up with a somewhat different health care plan.

KAGAN: Right, well speaking of plans, any questions that these two people have, let's just say, designs on '08 on a potential presidential race.

SCHNEIDER: I don't think there's a lot of question Hillary Rodham Clinton is -- may be interested. She's hasn't declared any intention. She's at the top of the list of any poll of Democrats who they would prefer to see run for president. Gingrich has also indicated that he may be interested in running for president in '08. So they're both potential presidential contenders. And, of course, teaming up like this puts them both in the spotlight. Here we are talking about them.

KAGAN: Very interesting. Well, you know, we've heard from a Democrat, Hillary Clinton, so let's just hear a little bit from Newt Gingrich.

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NEWT GINGRICH, FMR. GOP HOUSE SPEAKER: ... to see the leadership that Congressman Murphy and Congressman Kennedy have pushed forward again and again. And to be with Senator Clinton, and she and I have both been talking with Senator Frist and others, and I think there will be a very strong bipartisan bill in the Senate. You know, the time is right to do something dramatic, first because President Bush has given more speeches on health information technology than any president in history. Secretary Thompson advocated health information technology...

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KAGAN: What he's talking about is creating health-information networks. And that's what the former House speaker is making reference to there.

Once again, this is a news conference going on this hour in Washington.

Our thanks to Bill Schneider as well.

We're going to keep an Arkansas political theme going here a little bit, because special guest today, Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. He is actually a politician who doesn't mind losing. But let's be clear, governor, about what we're talking about losing: You have lost more than 100 pounds through diet and exercise, and basically just deciding enough is enough.

GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE (R), ARKANSAS: Interesting watching Hillary and Newt, because last week, Bill Clinton and I were together in New York launching an initiative for the American Heart Association on combating childhood obesity. It's an epidemic. I mean, America is getting larger, we really are, and we've got to do something about it. And I had to do something about it personally before I could do something about it in my state, because leaders can't ask others to do what they aren't willing to do.

KAGAN: Do as I say.

HUCKABEE: Yes, and, plus, from a personal standpoint, If I didn't, I'd be taking the ultimate dirt nap, not too long from now, so...

KAGAN: You think so. You had a big scare?

HUCKABEE: The doctor told me I had 10 years left. He said, if you don't make some changes, you've got 10 years left. And now he says I'm going to live as old as anybody else, and I've got a long, long life to look forward to.

KAGAN: Want to get back to the health thing in a moment. First of all, when you see Newt Gingrich and Hillary Clinton, the former first lady of Arkansas in your state.

HUCKABEE: My first thought is, in this corner, weighing in at, and in this -- but I think one of the things that this is showing is that the health issues erases all the political polarities. This is an issues that is bringing people together, because everybody wants to be healthy, everybody wants America to be a healthier place. We don't want our kids to die younger than we did, and so I think people are willing to sort of stop back and say, let's talk about what's good for the country, not what's good for our political party. For once, for once we're actually doing that.

KAGAN: Let's talk about your battle, at your heaviest? What were you?

HUCKABEE: Over 280 pounds. I was diagnosed with type-two diabetes.

KAGAN: And ticked at yourself.

HUCKABEE: I was very angry at myself, and I was hurt. I was angry and disappointed, because I knew that this was inevitable with two diabetic parents, but I didn't do the things that I needed to do. I'd never been an athlete. I'd never been active and taken care of myself. And the older I got, the worse I would get. And I would yo- yo diet and never keep it off, went through all those things. And finally I realized, this isn't about weight loss, this is about health and fitness, and that's why I felt like that I needed to tell the story. And so the book is about 12 stops.

KAGAN: Instead of 12 steps.

HUCKABEE: Things you need to stop doing. Right.

KAGAN: And the book is called "Quit Digging Your Grave With a Knife and Fork." That's something that you actually felt that you were doing.

HUCKABEE: I was digging my grave with a knife and fork.

KAGAN: And you talk about abuse. You're saying stop the abuse. Do you really feel like it was a form of self-abuse?

HUCKABEE: Sure. I was killing myself. I was doing it in a very gradual way, but the truth was by not eating good foods -- and one of the things I talk about is stop eating with contaminated foods, I was gradually taking my health away. And I was sick and tired of being sick and tired, which is exactly the way I felt. Everyday I'd wake up and I'd say, I don't feel good. I thought people in their late to mid-40s were supposed to feel bad. Now I felt better than I thought when I was in a teenager. And in March, I ran 26.2 miles in the Little Rock Marathon, something I never thought I could do.

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KAGAN: You know, the bad news, I got to tell you, about this book, is with weight loss, most people want to look in here and they want to see the magic bullet, the magic diet, the easy way. And at the end of the day, eat better, exercise more is kind of the story.

HUCKABEE: Well, it really does. But what I try to focus on is a very positive and encouraging message from one couch potato to others who don't think they can do it.

And this is not designed to be a substitute for South Beach or Atkins. It's about what goes on in your mind, not your mouth. And what I really want to focus on is that in order to start good habits, which is what we want to do, you have to identify, confront and stop the bad ones.

KAGAN: Well, we're so glad you did and that you've shared your story in the book. Once again, the book is called "Quit Digging Your Grave With a Knife and a Fork."

Governor Huckabee of Arkansas. You look great.

HUCKABEE: Thank you, Daryn.

KAGAN: Keep up the good work. And it looks like the good health is here to stay.

HUCKABEE: Appreciate it. Thanks.

KAGAN: Thank you.

Well, let's check the time right here. It's 10:55 -- actually make that 9:55 in Zion, Illinois, where the father of one the slain girls is set to appear in court in about an hour, 7:55 in Santa Maria, California, where actor Macaulay Culkin is expected at Michael Jackson's trial.

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