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Flight Diverted; 'CSI' Effect

Aired May 13, 2005 - 11:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Pope Benedict XVI has waived the rules on sainthood eligibility for his predecessor. That means Pope John Paul II could be declared a saint within a few years. Normally such considerations would have to wait five years after his death.
Vice President Dick Cheney, as we're look at live pictures from Alabama, is giving the commencement address this morning at Auburn University. Having a high-profile speaker created some wrinkles for the first in the school's history. And out of security concerns, attendance was limited to guests with tickets.

And now on to our CNN security watch. A passenger on a diverted flight has been questioned by federal officials and released. He was detained, along with his family, after his name appeared to match one on the no-fly list of suspected terrorists. The Air France flight from Paris to Boston was diverted to Bangor, Maine. The man and his family were removed from the plane, which continued on to Boston. A federal official says the man's name was nearly an exact match with the person on the watchlist and the birth dates were the same.

That diverted Paris-to-Boston flight is just the latest snafu involving this no-fly list. Earlier I had a chance to talk with our security analyst, Clark Kent Ervin, about the problems and concerns about the system.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: All right, Clark, let's talk about this no-fly system. Is the system working?

CLARK KENT ERVIN, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: It is not, Daryn.

This latest incident from yesterday is one of actually about seven or so incidents that have happened over the course of the past year.

What needs to happen is the list of the passengers on the airplane needs to get to the United States to be checked against terrorist watchlists quicker. Right now, the rule is that the passenger manifest is shared with the United States up to 15 minutes after the plane leaves for the United States. By that time, it could well be too late.

KAGAN: Yes, on one hand, it seems like that makes no sense. Why would you give the list after the plane is already in the air? Airlines say if you wait and keep the plane on the ground, you're going to have these huge delays, and that system's not going to work. ERVIN: Well, one way around that is, it seems to me it would be possible, particularly in this age of technology, to transmit names of people who intend to board the flight at the time they book their passage on the flight, and then immediately the name could be run against the various terrorist watchlists, the no-fly list and a decision could be made long before a person boards a plane as to whether he or she may do so.

KAGAN: On this specific incident, the man's date of birth and the name very close to somebody on the no-fly list. Does it surprise you that that's what it took to trigger the system.

ERVIN: Well, actually my understanding was that the birth date was an exact match and the name was only slightly off. So certainly it was important to question this man, I hope, and expect that he was questioned very extensively to make sure that he was not in fact a terrorist.

But, again, the list needs to get to the United States for checking against all of our lists, and we have many lists, just as quickly as possible and before the person boards the plane, since it may well be too late if the plane is in flight and headed for the United States

KAGAN: Not just headed for the United States, ends up in Bangor, Maine. I think this has happened quite a few times, but I think people are still surprised to hear Bangor, Maine, why do you get sent there? And yet the system is setup, and that airports is setup for this very reason.

ERVIN: That's right. Well, Bangor, Maine is the last major airport before you leave United States airspace and it's also the first one you come to when you're entering United States airspace. So it's convenient for that purpose. Also we would want to divert a plane to United States territory so we could take the passenger off and have the legal authority to question him or her and make sure that whatever law enforcement investigation needs to happen happens right away.

KAGAN: Is this a system in progress? Are the federal government officials? Are they open to changes? Or is this a set deal?

ERVIN: Well, no, the government is open to changes, and this latest incident shows how urgent it is that these changes be made. Again, an agreement needs to be made to get this information to the United States government immediately, before the passengers board the plane. It's absolutely critical. Fortunately, there has been no tragic incident, but we can't wait until there is one to change the system

KAGAN: Absolutely. Everybody wants to be safe. We can all agree on that. Clark Kent Ervin, thank you, Clark.

ERVIN: Thanks, Daryn.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KAGAN: CNN Security Watch keeps you up to date on your safety. Stay tune for the most reliable news for your security

Now let's take a look at what's making news overseas this morning, dog rescues baby. Now, Kenyan police are questioning a woman they think is the mother of an abandoned newborn. Locals say the dog found the infant in a forest, brought the baby home, and put it in alongside her own pups. Kenyan officials are questioning whether the rescue story is still true. Still, dog and baby are getting offers of adoption from all around the world.

China is showing off nine new pandas. The cubs are not even a year old. They are pretty darn cute there. They went on display for the first time this week. China says the panda population is steadily rising. The latest head count shows around 1,600 pandas. That's a 40 percent increase since the late 1980s.

And kids these days, sumo purists are up in arms over upstarts that were too embarrassed to wear their traditional sumo outfit. The garment is strategically wrapped to conserve a teensy bit of modesty. So to keep the kids interested in sumo wrestling, coaches are allowing them to wear pants in the ring. Can you imagine? What's the world coming to?

Millions of people are hooked to the "CSI" television shows. But can you always believe everything you see on television. We're going to separate facts from fiction, straight ahead.

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HEMMER: The "CSI" franchise is one of the most successful drama series on television. The problem is, it's a little too successful. The realistic nature of the show has created unrealistic expectations in the courtroom.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta dissects the CSI effect in this preview of his Sunday primetime special. It's called "Anatomy of a Murder."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a homicide. Not simply was the victim killed, he was bound at the hands, bound at the feet, a sheet wrapped around his head, his bedroom ransacked.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a murder with no witnesses. Miami City homicide detective Freddy Pontes (ph) and Sergeant Moses Velasquez (ph) head up the investigation and immediately call on the team of CSI technicians. They spend the next 10 hours processing the crime scene, finding clues to help detectives piece together what happened the night 60-year-old Thomas Clark was killed.

This is a person that's desperate. He's not concerned with wearing rubber gloves, and you know, making sure he collects his hair samples and everything else. So we got him inside the (INAUDIBLE). So the eyewitness he wasn't counting on is going to be forensic science.

GUPTA: On television's "CSI: Miami," the case would be solved within the hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: We never close, ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: In the real world, prosecutors are starting to complain that juries expect too much.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: Some people are calling it the CSI effect, jurors getting demanding about scientific proof of guilt for refusing to produce convictions.

GUPTA: Barry Fisher is director of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's crime lab, one of the biggest and best in the country.

BARRY FISHER, L.A. CO. SHERIFF'S CRIME LAB: What's happened is that courts, jurors, even cops have this expectation that we can constantly pull rabbits out of the hat, and it's just not possible to do that.

GUPTA (on camera): It adds a lot of sex appeal to the profession as well, don't it?

FISHER: Oh, we were sexy before.

GUPTA: Yes, you were.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have a time of death?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: Dr. Satish Chundru is the medical examiner who did the autopsy on Thomas Clark. He estimates that Clark was killed 18 to 33 hours before he was found.

DR. SATISH CHUNDRU, MEDICAL EXAMINER: The shows on TV, they say yes he died between 10:30 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. It's unrealistic, but it makes for a good TV show.

GUPTA: Another myth, fingerprints are not just fed into computers, trained eyes and experience are still needed to make a match.

But what about DNA? In the Clark case, technicians swab every surface, knowing the smallest trace amount could nab a killer.

Unfortunately getting a DNA profile isn't as instant as the CSI: Miami" TV show portrays.

In real life, it requires sending samples to sophisticated labs, in this case the Miami-Dade crime lab. There's a lot of waiting.

WILLIAM STUVER, MIAMI-DADE CRIME LAB: A sample they removed from a crime scene usually takes about a week from the time we first opened the specimens to where we actually have DNA profiles coming off of the machine.

GUPTA: With no witnesses, no suspects, which piece of evidence, if any, will crack this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like hunting down a ghost. Nobody knows him. Nobody's seen him before, and it's just picking out a face out of millions.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And that's just a glimpse of our CNN primetime special, "Anatomy of a Murder: Crime Scene Investigation," hosted by Dr. Sanjay Gupta. It airs Sunday night at 10:00 Eastern.

Let's show you live pictures now from Auburn, Alabama. That's vice president Dick Cheney giving today's commencement address. We're going to listen in for just a little bit

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

RICHARD CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... a record of 13 and 0, which sounds a lot like a national champion to me. War eagle.

In addition to those of you receiving your bachelor's degrees this morning, I'm told we have many men and women who have earned graduate degrees, including a number who have earned their PhD's. Their presence here reminds me I was once a PhD candidate myself and met all the requirements except for the dissertation. I had trouble coming up with a topic.

And your final day at Auburn, I imagine you're experiencing a mix of emotions. There is excitement that's setting a high goal and reaching it and then moving forward to new adventures. There's also, perhaps, a bit of sadness at leaving behind this university and this very special time in your lives. But you will always remain part of the Auburn family and as the years pass, this university will always give you reason to be proud. In fact, I've been assured that by next year's May commencement, Auburn will be 150 years old and 26 and 0.

KAGAN: Vice president Dick Cheney, making some reference to the controversy over the national football championship, which Auburn feels they might have been robbed of.

A little controversy today with the vice president being there. Usually anybody who wants to show up to commencement, but because of the high-profile speaker and because of security, you needed a ticket this year for the first time to get in. We're going to take a break, with pictures of the vice president in Auburn, Alabama. We're back after this.

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KAGAN: We got big sports here in America. You know, the Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs. But English soccer fans, they are crazy for Manchester United. That's their beloved team. It apparently is falling into the hands of a billionaire Yankee.

Paula Hancocks is in Manchester and joins us live. Paula, hello.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Daryn.

Well, it looks like Malcolm Glazer, the U.S. billionaire, has got what he wanted. He has been trying for months -- he's been stalking the world's favorite, some would say, and most profitable football club, Manchester United. Now he's come out in the past couple of hours with some details of his deal. It values the company of Manchester United at almost $1.5 billion. He says he's got -- currently got about 71.8 percent of the shares. He wants to take it private. He wants to buy out all the rest of the shareholders. He's also said that he is an avid Manchester United fan and he's delighted to be making this offer.

Now, it would not be an understatement -- it would be a huge understatement, in fact, to say that the fans are not delighted. They are absolutely furious. The Manchester United fans really do not want anything to do with Malcolm Glazer. They've been doing everything in their power to try and prevent him getting ahold of enough shares so that he could actually take the company over.

The main thing they're worried about is that money will be taken away from Manchester United. Malcolm Glazer is going to put about $500 million of debt onto the balance sheet for Manchester United so that he can buy it and the fans are furious about that. They think this is going to increase ticket prices. They think that merchandising is going to be become more expensive. And also they're bitter that the legacy they see of Manchester United is being sold off. They said it's not just about business. It's also about football.

Now, on Thursday evening, there were quite a few protesters turning up here at Manchester United football ground. They were burning an effigy of Malcolm Glazer, they were chanting "Manks, not Yanks!" They had banners and they were furious. So we are expecting some to turn up tonight, maybe, as well. There's a police presence here, certainly, just in case things get a little nasty -- Daryn?

KAGAN: And Paula, is there any way to describe to Americans over here just how big and how dedicated Manchester United fans are? How huge it is there?

HANCOCKS: Well, one of the captains, actually, Roy Keane (ph), ages ago said that he thought the fans of Manchester United were just a bunch of prawn sandwich eaters and they weren't passionate at all. But since they have had these people coming in and saying I want to buy your club, you have really seen how passionate they are about their club. This guy (INAUDIBLE), Rupert Murdoch tried to get involved, and they instantly said, well, if you get involved and take us over, we'll just start a splinter football club. That looks like what they are thinking of as well. This is a plan hatched back in 1998, and they're looking again at this plan, saying if Glazer does actually get Manchester United, which in fact he has, they're going to start a new club, they are not going to put money into Glazer's back pocket, and they are very bitter that an American would come and Mancunion (ph), which is what the Manchester people are called, a Mancunion club. They see it as a local thing, not an international business -- Daryn.

KAGAN: Very interesting. Paula Hancocks from Manchester, England, thank you.

Let's go to the captain of our team, Wolf Blitzer, to find out what's happening at the top of the hour on "NEWS FROM CNN."

Hi, Wolf.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Not buying teams today, at least not yet. Thanks very much, Daryn.

We have lots going on, on "NEWS FROM CNN," we're continuing to track developments from the Pentagon. More than 30 major military bases across the country, as you've been reporting, may be on the verge of closing. We'll go live to some of those communities to get the impact on the families, the communities, what's involved.

BLITZER: Also, a major announcement from the Vatican. Pope John Paul II on the fast track now to sainthood. We'll go live on this story. Watch for those stories, much more, coming up at the top of the hour on "NEWS FROM CNN."

Daryn, in the meantime, back to you.

Very interesting story about Manchester United.

KAGAN: Absolutely. Thank you, Wolf.

Talking movies ahead. There's this movie character, "Napoleon Dynamite." It is dynamite with a lot of American kids. But why? The guy's a total geek. We're going to find out, right after the break.

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KAGAN: We're going to look at geek. Can geek actually be chic? There's this oddball movie that has been out for a while. It is making high school fun again for the nerds out there.

Our Jason Carroll takes a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ridgeland High School, Jackson, Mississippi. Today's lesson, pop culture phenomena. Test questions -- why are popular girls wearing tees saying "I love nerds?" Why does wearing a "loser" pin make you a winner? And why are teenagers, like Ryan Bennett, into saying things like...

RYAN BENNETT, TEENAGER: Sweet.

CARROLL: Or...

BENNETT: What an idiot. God.

CARROLL: The answer: "Napoleon Dynamite." "Napoleon Dynamite" is the name of a low-budget independent film and the nerdy fictional character it centers on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And cut. Let's go.

CARROLL: It's based on the filmmaker's experiences growing up in Idaho.

JARED HESS, DIRECTOR: Totally exceeded everybody's expectations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ever take it off any sweet jumps?

CARROLL: Napoleon crashed into theaters last summer, ages ago in movie time, but it's still so popular...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whereas the state of Idaho recognizes...

CARROLL: ... Idaho lawmakers passed a mock resolution in support of it, and Napoleon's lines are standard high school vocabulary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you bring me my chapstick?

BENNETT: My lips hurt real bad.

CARROLL: Ryan is a junior, and, he'll admit, a bit of a nerd. But thanks to Napoleon, he embraces his nerdiness. Ryan even performed Napoleon's dance at his prom.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. But why "Napoleon Dynamite?" In the film, he gets his friend Pedro elected class president. He gets the girl, Deb, in the end. Otherwise, not much happens.

(on camera): Because the movie doesn't really have a plot. I'm looking for the plot. Right, it's not just me, right?

BENNETT: Right.

CARROLL: OK, good.

BENNETT: It has no plot.

CARROLL (voice-over): But Ryan says Napoleon taps into something teens relate to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to play me?

BENNETT: Everyone at one time or another has felt like a nerd or an outcast or something. And they see Napoleon, and they're like, hey, everyone ends up liking him. If I've ever felt like an outcast, if this guy can make it, then I can make it, no problem.

CARROLL: Ryan says his peers don't agree.

BENNETT: I have a couple of friends who absolutely hate the movie, think it's a complete waste of film.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that it's the most pointless thing ever made.

BENNETT: I have other friends who would die to have been in that movie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I immediately saw Deb -- I know this might sound weird -- but I thought of myself, because...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is so true.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: See, she even thinks I'm like Deb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vote for Pedro.

CARROLL: Trends are fickle. How much longer can Napoleon's popularity last?

GLEN KENNY, "PREMIER" MAGAZINE: I think it's too soon to tell whether "Napoleon Dynamite" is going to be for this generation of teenagers and post teenagers what "Animal House" was to boomer and post boomer generations.

CARROLL: It may be cool now to accept nerdiness by buying a keychain or wearing a "vote for Pedro" T-shirt, but Ryan does not see true acceptance coming anytime soon.

BENNETT: As much as I love to believe in people, chances of that happening are actually slim to none. I mean, I try to view the world realistically, and I'm sorry, it's going to take more than just a fad movie to change people's opinion and go around and say, well, you know, this nerd might be a really cool person on the inside.

CARROLL: No matter,...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey -- Ryan.

BENNETT: Howdy.

CARROLL: ... Ryan's enjoying popularity and having fun at Napoleon's expense.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Jackson, Mississippi. (END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And I got to tell you, it's not just teenagers. My little nephews, seven and four, are crazy for this movie. We watched it together.

That's going to do it for me. I'm Daryn Kagan. I will see you on Monday morning.

For now, Wolf Blitzer, who does not know the meaning of geek, just superstar, takes over from Washington D.C.

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Aired May 13, 2005 - 11:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Pope Benedict XVI has waived the rules on sainthood eligibility for his predecessor. That means Pope John Paul II could be declared a saint within a few years. Normally such considerations would have to wait five years after his death.
Vice President Dick Cheney, as we're look at live pictures from Alabama, is giving the commencement address this morning at Auburn University. Having a high-profile speaker created some wrinkles for the first in the school's history. And out of security concerns, attendance was limited to guests with tickets.

And now on to our CNN security watch. A passenger on a diverted flight has been questioned by federal officials and released. He was detained, along with his family, after his name appeared to match one on the no-fly list of suspected terrorists. The Air France flight from Paris to Boston was diverted to Bangor, Maine. The man and his family were removed from the plane, which continued on to Boston. A federal official says the man's name was nearly an exact match with the person on the watchlist and the birth dates were the same.

That diverted Paris-to-Boston flight is just the latest snafu involving this no-fly list. Earlier I had a chance to talk with our security analyst, Clark Kent Ervin, about the problems and concerns about the system.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: All right, Clark, let's talk about this no-fly system. Is the system working?

CLARK KENT ERVIN, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: It is not, Daryn.

This latest incident from yesterday is one of actually about seven or so incidents that have happened over the course of the past year.

What needs to happen is the list of the passengers on the airplane needs to get to the United States to be checked against terrorist watchlists quicker. Right now, the rule is that the passenger manifest is shared with the United States up to 15 minutes after the plane leaves for the United States. By that time, it could well be too late.

KAGAN: Yes, on one hand, it seems like that makes no sense. Why would you give the list after the plane is already in the air? Airlines say if you wait and keep the plane on the ground, you're going to have these huge delays, and that system's not going to work. ERVIN: Well, one way around that is, it seems to me it would be possible, particularly in this age of technology, to transmit names of people who intend to board the flight at the time they book their passage on the flight, and then immediately the name could be run against the various terrorist watchlists, the no-fly list and a decision could be made long before a person boards a plane as to whether he or she may do so.

KAGAN: On this specific incident, the man's date of birth and the name very close to somebody on the no-fly list. Does it surprise you that that's what it took to trigger the system.

ERVIN: Well, actually my understanding was that the birth date was an exact match and the name was only slightly off. So certainly it was important to question this man, I hope, and expect that he was questioned very extensively to make sure that he was not in fact a terrorist.

But, again, the list needs to get to the United States for checking against all of our lists, and we have many lists, just as quickly as possible and before the person boards the plane, since it may well be too late if the plane is in flight and headed for the United States

KAGAN: Not just headed for the United States, ends up in Bangor, Maine. I think this has happened quite a few times, but I think people are still surprised to hear Bangor, Maine, why do you get sent there? And yet the system is setup, and that airports is setup for this very reason.

ERVIN: That's right. Well, Bangor, Maine is the last major airport before you leave United States airspace and it's also the first one you come to when you're entering United States airspace. So it's convenient for that purpose. Also we would want to divert a plane to United States territory so we could take the passenger off and have the legal authority to question him or her and make sure that whatever law enforcement investigation needs to happen happens right away.

KAGAN: Is this a system in progress? Are the federal government officials? Are they open to changes? Or is this a set deal?

ERVIN: Well, no, the government is open to changes, and this latest incident shows how urgent it is that these changes be made. Again, an agreement needs to be made to get this information to the United States government immediately, before the passengers board the plane. It's absolutely critical. Fortunately, there has been no tragic incident, but we can't wait until there is one to change the system

KAGAN: Absolutely. Everybody wants to be safe. We can all agree on that. Clark Kent Ervin, thank you, Clark.

ERVIN: Thanks, Daryn.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KAGAN: CNN Security Watch keeps you up to date on your safety. Stay tune for the most reliable news for your security

Now let's take a look at what's making news overseas this morning, dog rescues baby. Now, Kenyan police are questioning a woman they think is the mother of an abandoned newborn. Locals say the dog found the infant in a forest, brought the baby home, and put it in alongside her own pups. Kenyan officials are questioning whether the rescue story is still true. Still, dog and baby are getting offers of adoption from all around the world.

China is showing off nine new pandas. The cubs are not even a year old. They are pretty darn cute there. They went on display for the first time this week. China says the panda population is steadily rising. The latest head count shows around 1,600 pandas. That's a 40 percent increase since the late 1980s.

And kids these days, sumo purists are up in arms over upstarts that were too embarrassed to wear their traditional sumo outfit. The garment is strategically wrapped to conserve a teensy bit of modesty. So to keep the kids interested in sumo wrestling, coaches are allowing them to wear pants in the ring. Can you imagine? What's the world coming to?

Millions of people are hooked to the "CSI" television shows. But can you always believe everything you see on television. We're going to separate facts from fiction, straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: The "CSI" franchise is one of the most successful drama series on television. The problem is, it's a little too successful. The realistic nature of the show has created unrealistic expectations in the courtroom.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta dissects the CSI effect in this preview of his Sunday primetime special. It's called "Anatomy of a Murder."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a homicide. Not simply was the victim killed, he was bound at the hands, bound at the feet, a sheet wrapped around his head, his bedroom ransacked.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a murder with no witnesses. Miami City homicide detective Freddy Pontes (ph) and Sergeant Moses Velasquez (ph) head up the investigation and immediately call on the team of CSI technicians. They spend the next 10 hours processing the crime scene, finding clues to help detectives piece together what happened the night 60-year-old Thomas Clark was killed.

This is a person that's desperate. He's not concerned with wearing rubber gloves, and you know, making sure he collects his hair samples and everything else. So we got him inside the (INAUDIBLE). So the eyewitness he wasn't counting on is going to be forensic science.

GUPTA: On television's "CSI: Miami," the case would be solved within the hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: We never close, ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: In the real world, prosecutors are starting to complain that juries expect too much.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: Some people are calling it the CSI effect, jurors getting demanding about scientific proof of guilt for refusing to produce convictions.

GUPTA: Barry Fisher is director of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's crime lab, one of the biggest and best in the country.

BARRY FISHER, L.A. CO. SHERIFF'S CRIME LAB: What's happened is that courts, jurors, even cops have this expectation that we can constantly pull rabbits out of the hat, and it's just not possible to do that.

GUPTA (on camera): It adds a lot of sex appeal to the profession as well, don't it?

FISHER: Oh, we were sexy before.

GUPTA: Yes, you were.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have a time of death?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: Dr. Satish Chundru is the medical examiner who did the autopsy on Thomas Clark. He estimates that Clark was killed 18 to 33 hours before he was found.

DR. SATISH CHUNDRU, MEDICAL EXAMINER: The shows on TV, they say yes he died between 10:30 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. It's unrealistic, but it makes for a good TV show.

GUPTA: Another myth, fingerprints are not just fed into computers, trained eyes and experience are still needed to make a match.

But what about DNA? In the Clark case, technicians swab every surface, knowing the smallest trace amount could nab a killer.

Unfortunately getting a DNA profile isn't as instant as the CSI: Miami" TV show portrays.

In real life, it requires sending samples to sophisticated labs, in this case the Miami-Dade crime lab. There's a lot of waiting.

WILLIAM STUVER, MIAMI-DADE CRIME LAB: A sample they removed from a crime scene usually takes about a week from the time we first opened the specimens to where we actually have DNA profiles coming off of the machine.

GUPTA: With no witnesses, no suspects, which piece of evidence, if any, will crack this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like hunting down a ghost. Nobody knows him. Nobody's seen him before, and it's just picking out a face out of millions.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And that's just a glimpse of our CNN primetime special, "Anatomy of a Murder: Crime Scene Investigation," hosted by Dr. Sanjay Gupta. It airs Sunday night at 10:00 Eastern.

Let's show you live pictures now from Auburn, Alabama. That's vice president Dick Cheney giving today's commencement address. We're going to listen in for just a little bit

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

RICHARD CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... a record of 13 and 0, which sounds a lot like a national champion to me. War eagle.

In addition to those of you receiving your bachelor's degrees this morning, I'm told we have many men and women who have earned graduate degrees, including a number who have earned their PhD's. Their presence here reminds me I was once a PhD candidate myself and met all the requirements except for the dissertation. I had trouble coming up with a topic.

And your final day at Auburn, I imagine you're experiencing a mix of emotions. There is excitement that's setting a high goal and reaching it and then moving forward to new adventures. There's also, perhaps, a bit of sadness at leaving behind this university and this very special time in your lives. But you will always remain part of the Auburn family and as the years pass, this university will always give you reason to be proud. In fact, I've been assured that by next year's May commencement, Auburn will be 150 years old and 26 and 0.

KAGAN: Vice president Dick Cheney, making some reference to the controversy over the national football championship, which Auburn feels they might have been robbed of.

A little controversy today with the vice president being there. Usually anybody who wants to show up to commencement, but because of the high-profile speaker and because of security, you needed a ticket this year for the first time to get in. We're going to take a break, with pictures of the vice president in Auburn, Alabama. We're back after this.

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KAGAN: We got big sports here in America. You know, the Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs. But English soccer fans, they are crazy for Manchester United. That's their beloved team. It apparently is falling into the hands of a billionaire Yankee.

Paula Hancocks is in Manchester and joins us live. Paula, hello.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Daryn.

Well, it looks like Malcolm Glazer, the U.S. billionaire, has got what he wanted. He has been trying for months -- he's been stalking the world's favorite, some would say, and most profitable football club, Manchester United. Now he's come out in the past couple of hours with some details of his deal. It values the company of Manchester United at almost $1.5 billion. He says he's got -- currently got about 71.8 percent of the shares. He wants to take it private. He wants to buy out all the rest of the shareholders. He's also said that he is an avid Manchester United fan and he's delighted to be making this offer.

Now, it would not be an understatement -- it would be a huge understatement, in fact, to say that the fans are not delighted. They are absolutely furious. The Manchester United fans really do not want anything to do with Malcolm Glazer. They've been doing everything in their power to try and prevent him getting ahold of enough shares so that he could actually take the company over.

The main thing they're worried about is that money will be taken away from Manchester United. Malcolm Glazer is going to put about $500 million of debt onto the balance sheet for Manchester United so that he can buy it and the fans are furious about that. They think this is going to increase ticket prices. They think that merchandising is going to be become more expensive. And also they're bitter that the legacy they see of Manchester United is being sold off. They said it's not just about business. It's also about football.

Now, on Thursday evening, there were quite a few protesters turning up here at Manchester United football ground. They were burning an effigy of Malcolm Glazer, they were chanting "Manks, not Yanks!" They had banners and they were furious. So we are expecting some to turn up tonight, maybe, as well. There's a police presence here, certainly, just in case things get a little nasty -- Daryn?

KAGAN: And Paula, is there any way to describe to Americans over here just how big and how dedicated Manchester United fans are? How huge it is there?

HANCOCKS: Well, one of the captains, actually, Roy Keane (ph), ages ago said that he thought the fans of Manchester United were just a bunch of prawn sandwich eaters and they weren't passionate at all. But since they have had these people coming in and saying I want to buy your club, you have really seen how passionate they are about their club. This guy (INAUDIBLE), Rupert Murdoch tried to get involved, and they instantly said, well, if you get involved and take us over, we'll just start a splinter football club. That looks like what they are thinking of as well. This is a plan hatched back in 1998, and they're looking again at this plan, saying if Glazer does actually get Manchester United, which in fact he has, they're going to start a new club, they are not going to put money into Glazer's back pocket, and they are very bitter that an American would come and Mancunion (ph), which is what the Manchester people are called, a Mancunion club. They see it as a local thing, not an international business -- Daryn.

KAGAN: Very interesting. Paula Hancocks from Manchester, England, thank you.

Let's go to the captain of our team, Wolf Blitzer, to find out what's happening at the top of the hour on "NEWS FROM CNN."

Hi, Wolf.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Not buying teams today, at least not yet. Thanks very much, Daryn.

We have lots going on, on "NEWS FROM CNN," we're continuing to track developments from the Pentagon. More than 30 major military bases across the country, as you've been reporting, may be on the verge of closing. We'll go live to some of those communities to get the impact on the families, the communities, what's involved.

BLITZER: Also, a major announcement from the Vatican. Pope John Paul II on the fast track now to sainthood. We'll go live on this story. Watch for those stories, much more, coming up at the top of the hour on "NEWS FROM CNN."

Daryn, in the meantime, back to you.

Very interesting story about Manchester United.

KAGAN: Absolutely. Thank you, Wolf.

Talking movies ahead. There's this movie character, "Napoleon Dynamite." It is dynamite with a lot of American kids. But why? The guy's a total geek. We're going to find out, right after the break.

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KAGAN: We're going to look at geek. Can geek actually be chic? There's this oddball movie that has been out for a while. It is making high school fun again for the nerds out there.

Our Jason Carroll takes a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ridgeland High School, Jackson, Mississippi. Today's lesson, pop culture phenomena. Test questions -- why are popular girls wearing tees saying "I love nerds?" Why does wearing a "loser" pin make you a winner? And why are teenagers, like Ryan Bennett, into saying things like...

RYAN BENNETT, TEENAGER: Sweet.

CARROLL: Or...

BENNETT: What an idiot. God.

CARROLL: The answer: "Napoleon Dynamite." "Napoleon Dynamite" is the name of a low-budget independent film and the nerdy fictional character it centers on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And cut. Let's go.

CARROLL: It's based on the filmmaker's experiences growing up in Idaho.

JARED HESS, DIRECTOR: Totally exceeded everybody's expectations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ever take it off any sweet jumps?

CARROLL: Napoleon crashed into theaters last summer, ages ago in movie time, but it's still so popular...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whereas the state of Idaho recognizes...

CARROLL: ... Idaho lawmakers passed a mock resolution in support of it, and Napoleon's lines are standard high school vocabulary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you bring me my chapstick?

BENNETT: My lips hurt real bad.

CARROLL: Ryan is a junior, and, he'll admit, a bit of a nerd. But thanks to Napoleon, he embraces his nerdiness. Ryan even performed Napoleon's dance at his prom.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. But why "Napoleon Dynamite?" In the film, he gets his friend Pedro elected class president. He gets the girl, Deb, in the end. Otherwise, not much happens.

(on camera): Because the movie doesn't really have a plot. I'm looking for the plot. Right, it's not just me, right?

BENNETT: Right.

CARROLL: OK, good.

BENNETT: It has no plot.

CARROLL (voice-over): But Ryan says Napoleon taps into something teens relate to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to play me?

BENNETT: Everyone at one time or another has felt like a nerd or an outcast or something. And they see Napoleon, and they're like, hey, everyone ends up liking him. If I've ever felt like an outcast, if this guy can make it, then I can make it, no problem.

CARROLL: Ryan says his peers don't agree.

BENNETT: I have a couple of friends who absolutely hate the movie, think it's a complete waste of film.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that it's the most pointless thing ever made.

BENNETT: I have other friends who would die to have been in that movie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I immediately saw Deb -- I know this might sound weird -- but I thought of myself, because...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is so true.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: See, she even thinks I'm like Deb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vote for Pedro.

CARROLL: Trends are fickle. How much longer can Napoleon's popularity last?

GLEN KENNY, "PREMIER" MAGAZINE: I think it's too soon to tell whether "Napoleon Dynamite" is going to be for this generation of teenagers and post teenagers what "Animal House" was to boomer and post boomer generations.

CARROLL: It may be cool now to accept nerdiness by buying a keychain or wearing a "vote for Pedro" T-shirt, but Ryan does not see true acceptance coming anytime soon.

BENNETT: As much as I love to believe in people, chances of that happening are actually slim to none. I mean, I try to view the world realistically, and I'm sorry, it's going to take more than just a fad movie to change people's opinion and go around and say, well, you know, this nerd might be a really cool person on the inside.

CARROLL: No matter,...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey -- Ryan.

BENNETT: Howdy.

CARROLL: ... Ryan's enjoying popularity and having fun at Napoleon's expense.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Jackson, Mississippi. (END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: And I got to tell you, it's not just teenagers. My little nephews, seven and four, are crazy for this movie. We watched it together.

That's going to do it for me. I'm Daryn Kagan. I will see you on Monday morning.

For now, Wolf Blitzer, who does not know the meaning of geek, just superstar, takes over from Washington D.C.

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