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Bonds Grand Jury; Rumsfeld's Resistance; Justice Denied?
Aired April 14, 2006 - 10:59 ET
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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to our next hour of CNN LIVE TODAY. I'm Daryn Kagan.
CNN has learned that a grand jury is considering whether to indict baseball star Barry Bonds for perjury. This comes following Bonds' testimony in connection with a steroids investigation.
CNN's Ted Rowlands has the story.
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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On December 4, 2003, Barry Bonds testified in front of a federal grand jury in San Francisco. Prosecutors asked the baseball superstar whether he had used steroids.
MICHAEL RAINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR BARRY BONDS: Barry testified truthfully to the grand jury. Barry Bonds is clean.
ROWLANDS: But it now appears, federal prosecutors are pursuing a case of perjury against Barry Bonds. Multiple sources tell CNN that, for more than a month, a different federal grand jury has been hearing testimony over whether Bonds lied when he testified in 2003.
If the grand jury indicts Barry Bonds, an eventual trial could land him in jail.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: This is extremely bad news for Barry Bonds, because a federal prosecutor doesn't start looking into perjury unless he has a pretty good idea that he's going to find perjury at the end of the day.
ROWLANDS: Barry Bonds was one of several athletes forced to testify in 2003 as part of the BALCO case which centered around a San Francisco area lab, its founder Victor Conte and Greg Anderson, a longtime friend of Barry Bonds. Conte eventually spent four months in jail after pleading guilty to distributing illegal steroids. Anderson was sentenced to three months on the same charges.
At the time, Bonds and other athletes were given immunity from the Federal prosecutors. The deal, which is common was simple, tell the truth and nothing will happen. Lie, and we can come after you for perjury. Barry Bonds' attorney Michael Rains has long maintained that the Federal government has it in for his client.
MICHAEL RAINS, BARRY BONDS' ATTORNEY: We think this is always been the case of the Barry Bonds show. It hasn't been U.S. versus Conte, U.S. versus Anderson. It's been U.S. versus Bonds.
ROWLANDS: At this press conference in December of 2004, Rains accused prosecutors of intentionally trying to set up Bonds in front of the grand jury so they could later pursue a perjury case against a famous baseball player.
RAINS: Look no further than Martha Stewart. The trap is perjury. The trap is, as they did with Martha, get them in there. You offer them immunity, then can ask them the questions and then you get them for 18 USC 1001, lying to Federal officers, exactly what they got Martha for, that's the trap and that was the trap that was being laid.
TOOBIN: Prosecutors are supposed to go after big fish. It's those kind of prosecutions that tell everyone that it's not OK to lie to prosecutors or to the grand jury.
ROWLANDS (on camera): Saying because the grand jury process is secretive, a representative from the United States Attorney's Office in San Francisco refused to comment on whether or not a grand jury is hearing testimony against Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds' lawyers, reached by telephone, said that they are unaware of any grand jury that has been convened.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Los Angeles.
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KAGAN: Then there are a chorus of questions about Donald Rumsfeld today. Former generals, some of them, are lining up to take shots at the defense boss.
CNN's Tom Foreman looks as the chances of a Rumsfeld resignation. His report first aired on "ANDERSON COOPER 360."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ladies and gentlemen, the honorable secretary of defense, Donald H. Rumsfeld.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Friends and foes all know Donald Rumsfeld does not easily bend. So, here are some reasons they suggest why he's unlikely to bow under the current battering. Number one, it is not the Rumsfeld way. Rumsfeld takes his critics head on.
DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Do you think I'm going to stand around reading your books and disputing things in them or validating or not validating?
QUESTION: Well...
RUMSFELD: I've got a real daytime job.
(LAUGHTER)
RUMSFELD: I mean, you would do nothing else but that, if you did that.
FOREMAN: His political life was built on toughness. Richard Nixon saw it 30 years ago.
RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: At least Rummy is tough enough. He's a ruthless little bastard. You can be sure of that.
FOREMAN: Rumsfeld sees it, too.
RUMSFELD: You know, if you do something, somebody is not going to like it. Therefore, you have got a choice. You can go do nothing, or you can go do something, and live with the fact that somebody's not going to like it.
FOREMAN: Number two, the impact on the military. The future of Iraq is uncertain. Osama bin Laden is still free, and Iran is rattling its saber. Some military analysts say Rumsfeld bears some blame. But others say, letting the defense secretary be forced out would send a dangerous signal of weakness to enemies.
Number three, politics -- through Afghanistan and Iraq, Rumsfeld has led this administration's signature initiative, the battle against global terrorism. The White House stands by him and expects the same in return.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president believes Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a very fine job during a challenging period in our nation's history.
FOREMAN: Number four, the opposition -- critics want Rumsfeld out.
SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: It would energize American forces. It would energize the political environment. Yes, he should step down.
FOREMAN: Political analysts say, attacks on the White House will grow bolder if Rumsfeld blinks.
And number five, personal conviction.
(on camera): Rumsfeld has said many times, this war is difficult, it will take a long time, but it is going well.
(voice-over): He sees newsmakers and news reporters who focus on the negative as mistaken and defeatist.
RUMSFELD: Much of the reporting in the U.S. and abroad has exaggerated the situation. The number of Iraqi deaths had been exaggerated, that is to say, nothing of the apparently inaccurate and harmful reports of U.S. military conduct.
FOREMAN: Simply put, Don Rumsfeld has lost political battles, but it is not his nature to ever go down without a fight.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
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KAGAN: And you can join Anderson every weeknight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.
Let's go to live pictures from the Vatican. This is Good Friday, and Pope Benedict XVI is leading Catholics in the most solemn day of the Christian calendar on this Good Friday. It, of course, commemorates the crucifixion of Christ at Rome's Coliseum.
This is the first time that this pope, as pope, has led these services. It was last year that Pope John Paul II died. We were coming up on the first anniversary of that on April 2nd.
We're going to talk with Delia Gallagher in just a moment to get more on what is special about this Easter and these celebrations and the significance of Pope Benedict XVI.
Warrants to search dorm rooms at Duke. It is another development in the investigation into an alleged rape.
The president of the university was asked about it during a news conference this morning. President Richard Brodhead says he was just learning that police attempted to search dorm rooms on Thursday night, and he has tried to get more information. He appeared this morning, along with the chancellor of the school that the alleged victim attends.
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CHANCELLOR JAMES AMMONS, NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL UNIVERSITY: For the last few weeks, Durham has been shaken by allegations arising from the incident of March 13. While feelings of pain, anger and confusion are understandable in times like these, let us remember that justice is served in the courtroom, not in the media, nor at the hands of individuals.
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KAGAN: No charges have yet been filed in the Duke investigation.
Living in fear. A college student in Georgia says that is her horrifying reality now. She claims she was raped by a fellow student and nothing was done about it.
Tom Jones with our affiliate WSB has the story from here in Atlanta.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The higher this is, is the latter it is, this amplitude.
TOM JONES, REPORTER, WSB (voice over): Kristy Jackson (ph) says no matter if she's studying with a friend...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who else does he have to hurt?
JONES: ... or headed to class, she's scared, worried about seeing the student who raped her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's horrible. As soon I as I see him, my heart races, my knees shake. I can barely walk.
JONES: Jackson (ph) says she was raped in a dorm by a friend she drove home because he had too much to drink. She didn't feel she'd get justice if campus police investigated, so she took her case to the student judicial committee. That panel found the student responsible for sexual misconduct and suspended him for a semester. The student then appealed and the suspension was suspended, meaning he could return to school.
Jackson (ph) says this decision sends the wrong message.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On this campus, it's better to keep silent. It's better to keep it to yourself.
JONES: A Georgia Tech spokesperson sent us this statement. It reads, "The student judicial system provides due process for all parties. The student's safety was of primary concern throughout the process. We remain confident that there are no safety concerns and that the appropriate action was taken."
Jackson (ph) says now she has no peace of mind.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to be able to concentrate and graduate on time and interact in my classes without the shadow of him sitting over me.
JONES: Tom Jones, Channel 2 Action News, Nightbeat.
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KAGAN: Still ahead is a startling medical wonder. Doctors remove a girl's donor heart. But get this, her old one is now working just fine. That remarkable story is ahead on CNN LIVE TODAY.
And love and loss. A widower grieves mile by mile. He'll break his cross-country bicycle trip. He's going to break it up for a minute and he's going to give us an update on his personal mission.
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KAGAN: It's time to check in with a new friend of this program. You might remember his story. He is on a 33-day bike trip across America. Each day he honors one of the airline crew members who died during the 9/11 hijackings. That list of victims includes his wife, a flight attendant on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Tom Heidenberger joins us from Dallas, nearly two weeks into his trip, checking in with us along the way. Tom, good morning.
THOMAS HEIDENBERGER, US AIRWAYS CAPTAIN: Good morning. How are you today?
KAGAN: Good. The better question is, how are you? Last we saw you, I think just last week, you were in Phoenix.
HEIDENBERGER: Right. We were in Phoenix last week and feel pretty much the same. A little tired. I could use -- I mean, today's a rest day, and looking forward to the rest.
KAGAN: Who knew it wasn't flat from Phoenix to Dallas, huh?
HEIDENBERGER: I sure didn't. Having -- having spent countless hours flying across the country looking straight down, it looks a little different when you're on the surface. It is very, very rolling and the like, but it's a nice trip.
KAGAN: What kind of support are you finding along the way?
HEIDENBERGER: The support has been phenomenal. As a matter of fact, as we go down the highways, people are honking at us, waving at us. They must be following us along on our Web site, www.airlineride.org. That's how they know where we're going.
KAGAN: Because they know to look for you?
HEIDENBERGER: Right, they certainly do.
KAGAN: Now, as we said, each day you're honoring a different flight crew member who lost their life. You go back on the road tomorrow, I understand.
HEIDENBERGER: Right. Like, for example, yesterday, we rode for Ken and Jennifer Lewis, the only couple, husband and wife, who perished aboard American Airlines Flight 77. And what's so critical about us doing this for the 33 crew members is to try to get these memorials, the three 9/11 memorials, constructed, completed.
Here we are five years after the fact, and we're a long ways away to get these memorials not just funded, but completed. And again, through the crew members, who were the first of the first responders, why don't we let them -- or through them -- be the first to see that these memorials are completed?
I mean, they are and they were our leaders in the air. Why shouldn't they be our leaders on the ground and get the funds for the three memorials?
KAGAN: Absolutely. Tell me a little bit more about Ken and Jennifer, besides that they were married flight attendants.
HEIDENBERGER: They were a wonderful couple. They loved the great outdoors. They were the consummate professionals on the airplane. They were fun -- according to Michelle -- I had never met them, but according to Michelle, they were a real nice couple. Very, very outgoing. They did a lot for the public, an awful lot for the community.
KAGAN: I'm sure it touched theirs families quite a bit that you chose to honor them.
HEIDENBERGER: Right.
KAGAN: So, next leg, as we look at the map again, it looks like you're going to start, you and your crew, because there are others that are riding along as well...
HEIDENBERGER: Right.
KAGAN: ... you're starting to head a little bit north. You know we're full service here for you, Tom. We have Chad Myers to give you your weather forecast about what you face as you head out of Dallas -- Chad.
HEIDENBERGER: Well, I hope -- I hope he's a little more correct than he was right after we left Phoenix.
KAGAN: Oh, no!
CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: What happened?
HEIDENBERGER: We had four days, four consecutive days of 10 to 20-mile-an-hour head winds.
MYERS: Well, you headed the wrong way!
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HEIDENBERGER: Well, we have to complete the story. We have to complete the ride to Shanksville.
MYERS: Well, I don't think we're going to get this one wrong.
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MYERS: But today, I want you to tell us about your little -- your 15-mile little loop today and what you hope to do with that in Dallas, because I know we have a lot of viewers in Dallas.
HEIDENBERGER: Right. Well, what we're going to do today is, we're going to start out from the hotel and then continue on to the American Airlines headquarters, where there will be a small rally with representatives of the APA, which is the Allied Pilots Association, and the Association of Professional Flied Attendants, and recognize those individuals, those airline employees, not just the employees of American Airlines or Southwest, but all the airline employees who went back to work the days after 9/11.
They also need to be recognized because they went and took the skies back to get the salesman home or get him to his meeting and let the parents and families go on their vacations. If it wasn't for the crew members and the airlines themselves going back to work immediately after 9/11, after the system was shut down, without the federal air marshals, without the cockpits being hardened, the doors being hardened, or without guns in the cockpit, I mean, these people also need to be recognized for their professionalism and what they've done in the days after 9/11.
MYERS: Great story.
KAGAN: Chad, what kind of weather are they going to get in Dallas today for that?
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HEIDENBERGER: We've got plenty of water and we drink lots and lots of it.
MYERS: Yes?
KAGAN: Good job. So, Tom, where do you think we'll see you next?
HEIDENBERGER: Hopefully in Memphis or Little Rock. Or maybe tomorrow in Texarkana, if you'd like.
KAGAN: OK. We'll check in. You know we're along for the ride even though we've got the easy seat and you guys are doing all the work. Tell us one more time, though, the Web site so folks can follow you online.
HEIDENBERGER: It's www.airlineride.org, and not just follow us, but you can also donate to the ride. And all the monies will go directly to the three 9/11 memorials.
The ride is fully funded, fully paid for. So every penny or every dollar, large or small, will go directly to the three 9/11 memorials.
And that's what's critical. We get to get these memorials completed in a timely fashion so not just the families of the 33 crew members or the families of the 3,000 victims, but all of America can go to a place where they can remember, reflect and pay honor to the 33 crew members, to the 3,000 victims.
And it's a good story. It's a positive story. It's about moving forward. It's about having closure.
KAGAN: That is why we're following you along the road. We love the story.
Tom, thank you, and we will see you on the road.
HEIDENBERGER: Thanks, Daryn.
KAGAN: Tom Heidenberger. Great to see you. Stay safe out there.
HEIDENBERGER: Great to see you, too. Bye-bye.
KAGAN: OK.
Remember the story of Frank the tumor? He battled Frank the tumor and he won. And today he is going to Disneyland.
Doctors have given 11-year-old David Dingman-Grover a clean bill of health. You might remember in 2003 he was diagnosed with a tumor the size of a grapefruit at the base of his brain. He nicknamed the tumor Frank, short for Frankenstein. David underwent surgery last year, now doctors say his brain is cancer-free.
He was given a gold key to Disneyland. Congratulations.
Then there's this story of a medical marvel. She gives new meaning to the words "heart to heart." A British girl's heart is brought back to life 10 years after she underwent a rare big piggyback transplant. The case is the first in Britain, possibly the world.
The story now from CNN's Paula Hancocks.
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): For most of her life, Hannah Clark had two hearts. She now has just one. It works, and she says she feels like a normal 12-year-old.
When she was just 2 years old, doctors attached a donor heart to her own diseased heart to save her life. But after 10 years, her body started to reject the donor heart. A pioneering operation brought her own heart back to life.
HANNAH Clark, HEART TRANSPLANT PATIENT: I feel good. I was really excited because I was allowed to take the donor out.
HANCOCKS: The procedure is the first of its kind in Britain, possibly even the world. It took less than four hours, and Hannah was home within five days.
The theory that Hannah's heart had recovered sufficiently only the last 10 years to be able to function normally again proved correct. A potentially dramatic theory that doctors believer could help other transplant patients.
VICTOR TSANG, CARDIAC SURGEON: The fact that the diseased heart could recover so well to take over the circulation like any other normal children is most remarkable. And we need to understand the ability of the young heart muscle to recover, and more research needs to be done.
HANCOCKS: It has been a long and painful wait for her family, with Hannah in and out of the hospital for months before the operation. ELIZABETH Clark, HANNAH'S MOTHER: I had mixed emotions, really, because we knew this operation could be deadly, but whether they would do it would be another thing, because there was a 50-50 chance.
HANCOCKS: Surgeons of Great Ormond Street Hospital in London were initially reluctant to remove the donor heart and reconnect the dormant one, as it had never been done before. But their willingness to take a risk has given Hannah a new chance at life.
Paula Hancocks, CNN, London.
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KAGAN: To get your daily dose of health news online, log on to our Web site. You'll find the latest medical news, a health library and information on diet and fitness. The address is cnn.com/health.
A family outing becomes a gruesome tragedy. A bear attacks a family, but that's only the beginning of this horrible ordeal. I'll explain when we come back on CNN LIVE TODAY.
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KAGAN: So, are we talking a simple shoe or a corporate misstep? A debate is raging over the latest from shoemaker Adidas, and that's because of the character that is pictured on this limited edition shoe.
The character has, as you can see there, buck teeth, slanted eyes and a bowl haircut. Critics say it's a racist caricature. Adidas says its creator, who is a San Francisco graffiti artist, is actually half Chinese and the design was not meant to offend.
Only a thousand pairs of the shoes were made. They sell at specialty boutiques for about $250.
An important legal victory for TiVo. Susan Lisovicz joins us from New York -- Susan.
SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN FINANCIAL CORRESPONDENT: Daryn, this is huge if you are a TiVo shareholder or a TiVo employee. A federal jury taking just two hours to award TiVo nearly $74 million in damages in a patent infringement suit against EchoStar Communications, which is the parent of The DISH Network.
The jurors found that EchoStar willfully infringed on TiVo's patent, which means the judge could actually then triple the award to over $200 million. The patent in question concerned technology that DISH uses which allows users to pause, rewind, fast forward live TV by recording on a hard drive, that's basically what TiVo does, and TiVo was out first.
EchoStar says it's confident the verdict will be reversed. TiVo, by the way, calls that technology, Daryn, multimedia time warping, which, if you use TiVo, it kind of does that, doesn't it?
KAGAN: Right. But we've talked about this. Do you TiVo?
LISOVICZ: I don't, because I'm afraid I'd watch too much television.
KAGAN: Too much.
LISOVICZ: I already do.
KAGAN: And I shared with you that I have TiVo. I bought it two years ago, but it's in my closet. I've never hooked it up.
LISOVICZ: Well, there you go.
KAGAN: They make fun of me here for some reason because of that.
All right. Back to the decision. What does this do for TiVo?
LISOVICZ: It's huge. This -- life or death, that's what the lawyers said. And I think there are a lot of analysts that agreed on this.
TiVo has lost hundreds of millions of dollars since 1997. One estimate, $650 million. This verdict gives TiVo the leverage in negotiating business deals with cable companies, like DISH, that use similar DVR boxes made by other companies. So you -- TiVo gets another source of revenue, ultimately, and it's revenue that TiVo very desperately needs.
KAGAN: So what's the bottom line for us consumers here?
LISOVICZ: Ah, yes, the bottom line. Well, I have observed, Daryn, cable companies have never been shy in passing along costs.
KAGAN: Yes, it's funny how that works.
LISOVICZ: Yes. A bar above the inflation rate.
So, what's been happening here is DISH, EchoStar, other cable companies, have been undercutting TiVo as a marketing tool, even giving the box, the DVR, away for free. If cable providers as a result of this jury decision, if they now have to pay TiVo royalties, they could be forced to raise prices a bit to make up the difference, and, yes, it's something that you and I will feel.
KAGAN: Or just come by my house, because clearly I have a TiVo that's looking for a good home.
LISOVICZ: But hooking it up is the most -- that may be the hardest part of the equation.
KAGAN: Don't know. I haven't quite gotten there.
Of course, the markets are closed today. So it's hard to tell what investors are thinking about.
(STOCK MARKET REPORT) KAGAN: OK. You'll be watching. Thank you, Susan.
LISOVICZ: My pleasure.
KAGAN: To Florida now. An autopsy is scheduled today for a woman who died at Disney World this week. It's the second time a passenger has died following a ride on Mission Space. Disney says its engineers checked out the attraction. They have declared it safe.
Susan Candiotti filed this report for "PAULA ZAHN NOW."
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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you want to get just a taste of what it's like to take off on a rocket ship, Disney's Mission Space ride at Epcot Center is billed as the ride for you. Stomach sickness bags are included.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It made you feel very heavy, and sort of pushed down.
CANDIOTTI: After 49-year-old German tourist Hiltrude Blumell (ph) died Wednesday, the ride temporarily shut down. Ten months ago, a 4-year-old Pennsylvania boy died. His death was blamed on an undiagnosed preexisting heart problem. What caused the German woman's death remains unknown.
A Florida state official says Disney told him the woman felt dizzy and nauseous after getting off the ride Tuesday, and that she may have had high blood pressure and other health problems. Someone called for help.
OPERATOR: 911. Is your emergency police, fire or medical?
CALLER: Yeah, this is Mission Space. I got a lady, it's a guest, she's feeling sick after taking a ride.
JACQUEE POLAK, DISNEY SPOKESWOMAN: On Wednesday, we had learned that she -- her condition had become very serious, and then we were later notified that she had passed away.
CANDIOTTI: The ride spins passengers around in a centrifuge, said to equal two times Earth's gravitational pull. Riders tell CNN it feels like your chest is being pushed against the wall; then, a sense of weightlessness.
Signs warn to avoid the ride if health problems exist or are suspected. And there are height requirements.
(on camera): Thanks to the Florida legislature, Disney and other major theme parks are exempt from state laws allowing inspections, requiring them to report injuries, or giving the state the authority to shut down their rides.
In that sense, Disney polices itself. (voice-over): However, Disney has a written understanding with Florida, agreeing to annual reviews, visits and quarterly accident reports.
TERRY MCELROY, FLORIDA AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT: The Disney engineers understand -- are the experts in this area. We don't normally inspect this ride, we don't regulate Disney, so we don't have the experience with this that we have with other rides.
CANDIOTTI: Susan Candiotti, CNN, Orlando.
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KAGAN: Disney insists that Mission Space is safe. Almost 12 million people have ridden that Epcot attraction since it opened. Twelve are hospitalized, including the two who died.
A search for a killer is on in the Tennessee mountains today. The killer is a black bear. It attacked a family at a campsite in the Cherokee National Forest. Before campers were able to chase it away, a 6-year-old girl ran off in panic. The bear was the first to find her.
Details now from reporter Jessica Morris of our Chattanooga affiliate WTVC.
OK, well, apparently we have the wrong tape queued up. We're going to go ahead and look for the story, the one that actually has sound on the tape, and we'll get that tragic story to you in just a moment.
First, though, it is Good Friday. Service is taking place right now at the Vatican. Pope Benedict XVI leading his first Easter services -- or Good Friday service as pope. We'll talk with Delia Gallagher about what we're seeing, just ahead.
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KAGAN: Looks like we've been able to fix our glitch there. I want Back to the story of the bear that attacked and killed a 6-year- old girl in Tennessee.
Reporter Jessica Morris of Chattanooga affiliate WTVC has that story.
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JESSICA MORRIS, WTVC REPORTER (voice-over): Park ranger Monte Williams says a mother and her two children faced off with the black bear at Vintam (ph) Falls. When some campers saw the trouble, they called for help and carried the mom and her two-year-old buy to safety. Her other child, a 6-year-old girl, ran off. Polk County Search and Rescue later found the child, about 100 yards from the falls, dead. They also spotted the bear, and shot it, but it escaped into the woods. Wildlife workers say they are surprised by this attack. MONTE WILLIAMS, FOREST RANGER: A pretty rare thing. Black bears generally don't attack people. I can't think of any time other than, you know, this really rare circumstance.
ANDY GASTON, WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST: The last time I can remember any incident like this was in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park in the late 1990s. Black bears are very common in the Cherokee National Forest. It's not unusual to have contact with them on an almost weekly basis from our visitors.
MORRIS: But he says black bears usually don't attack. Now forest rangers are asking campers to leave the area, until TWRA officers hunt down the predator.
WILLIAMS: Once something like this has happened, they will put the bear down.
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KAGAN: And that story out of Tennessee.
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KAGAN: Well, on a more religious note it is Good Friday, the most solemn day in the Christian calendar. We're looking at live pictures from St. Peter's Basilica. Pope Benedict XVI leading what the Catholic Church calls a celebration of the Lord's passion. It's his first Easter at the helm of the church.
Our faith and values correspondent Delia Gallagher joins us now from New York.
Delia, good morning.
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Daryn.
KAGAN: Tell us more about the service taking place right now.
GALLAGHER: Well, this is the Good Friday service, and of course Good Friday is the day that Christians celebrate and commemorate the death of Jesus. We know Easter Sunday is the resurrection of Jesus, but this is the day that Christians believe Jesus died, was crucified on the cross. So the ceremony that you're seeing now is a liturgy from the Vatican and, of course, celebrated in Christian churches also all around the world, and they go through the readings of what happened according to the Bible at that time when Jesus was condemned to death.
And, of course, tonight you will also see at the Vatican that beautiful ceremony at the coliseum. You might remember from years past, Pope John Paul II couldn't participate, but he could watch it on TV. And they go through the stations of the cross there, and they go through the steps that Jesus took up to his crucifixion. So it's a day of commemoration of the death of Jesus.
KAGAN: This is an important time symbolically in terms of the symbolism of transition, too, for this church, because it was this time last year, we're very close to the anniversary of the death of Pope John Paul II?
GALLAGHER: Yes, absolutely. This is the first holy week celebration on Easter with the new pope. In fact I was struck just watching this ceremony earlier, you can see him walking in there, processing in. I mean, that's something we haven't seen in a long time from a pope, because John Paul II wasn't able to walk.
So you know, there's a lot of small differences that you notice with this pope that strike you in watching these ceremonies, and certainly all eyes are -- you can see him lying prostrate right there. That's Something that we certainly haven't seen in a long time.
KAGAN: What does this symbolize, Delia, because I did see this picture earlier?
GALLAGHER: Yes, he walks in and lies prostrate, because this is the time that Jesus dies. This is the liturgy itself commemorating Jesus' death, so it's a sign of humility lying down right in front of -- and it's something that John Paul II used to do when he was able, of course, but in his last years wasn't able to do that. So that's something that priests all around the world do as a sign of respect in front of the Cross.
KAGAN: And this Sunday, not just Easter, but Pope Benedict's birthday as well?
GALLAGHER: Yes, he'll be 79. So he's celebrating his birthday. No official celebrations from the Vatican with regard to the birthday, of course. He's sort of ignoring that in favor of Easter, but he will take the week after off. Wednesday, the 19th, will be the first anniversary of his election to the pontificate. So they have a lot of celebrations happening right now at the Vatican.
KAGAN: That they do indeed. Thanks for talking us through it.
Delia Gallagher, live from New York, Delia, thank you.
GALLAGHER: Thanks, Daryn.
KAGAN: And this weekend, as Christian do celebrate Easter, CNN PRESENTS: The Last Days of Pope John Paul II," Saturday night, and then later, at 11:00, you can see "The Mystery of Jesus," only on CNN this week.
Garfield the cat has a sense of humor, but what about Molly?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm beginning to think she's enjoying this, and she's in the back of this building laughing at us all.
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KAGAN: We're going to have the tale of the trapped kitty, when LIVE TODAY returns.
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KAGAN: Want to bring you up to date now on a story we first heard about during this program yesterday. It happened in Amish country, a simply horrific crime. Six relatives from the same family found dead in the basement. Police have charged a family member with the killings. The motive, though, is still a mystery.
Christopher King has the story from Pennsylvania.
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CHRISTOPHER KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The crime, according to the local coroner is beyond belief. Who could ever fathom they'd find six members of a family dead in a home in eastern Pennsylvania?
Twenty one-year-old Jesse Wise was silent as he walked into a Lancaster County courthouse. Prosecutors accuse him in the beating and strangling deaths of his grandmother, two aunts and three cousins. It all happened here at 81 East Main Street in the mall town of Leola, about 75 miles west of Philadelphia. A next door neighbor says hi nephew was friends within one of the victims.
ROBERT LOPEZ, WISE FAMILY NEIGHBOR: We shocked right now. They were friends. It's shocking to the whole neighborhood.
KING: All the victims shared the same last name. Police say Wise admitted he beat his two aunts, 45-year-old Wanda and 43-year-old Agnes and a cousin 19-year-old Skyler. They say Wise also admitted to strangling his own grandmother, 64-year-old Emily, along with another cousin, 17-year-old Jesse James who police say was stabbed as well. And they say Wise told them he even choked to death his little cousin, five-year-old Chance, but won't say why he did it. Police say Wise did admit to placing all their bodies in the basement.
CHIEF JOHN BOWMAN, EAST LAMPITER TOWNSHIP POLICE: It's something that's not an everyday occurrence even for the county here. So I hope that I think that this will put the community at ease that we do have a person in custody and the charges that followed with that.
KING: Authorities say the home is owned by Jesse Wise Sr., the 60-year-old grandfather of the suspect.
(on camera): According to authorities, the elder Jesse Wise was in New York. The family was supposed to have met him there. But, they say, he hadn't heard from his loved ones since last Friday.
(voice-over): So, authorities say, Wise asked a neighbor to check on the family. The neighbor called police. When he and police arrived at the home, they say, he went down to the basement, but ran back up, shouting "everyone is dead." JOHN SEAN ADAMS, WISE FAMILY FRIEND: And when I seen the baby, he was facing me. And it felt like somebody hit me in the chest with a bag of sand. That's how it felt. And I just ran back up the stars and called the police officer.
KING: Police say they found blood splattered on the walls and ceilings, along with hair and bone fragments in three upstairs bedrooms. They also say they found a hammer. Blood stains, they say, were all over the basement.
Twenty-one-year-old Jesse Wise is being held at Lancaster County Prison. He's charged with six counts of criminal homicide. He has another date in court next Thursday. Christopher King, CNN, Leola, Pennsylvania.
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KAGAN: Coming up, four young men torn between the desires of the flesh and the spirit. Reality television gets religion, when LIVE TODAY is back to the news.
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KAGAN: We were trying to thing of a good phone song, popular song, because it's a wakeup call story. The Malaysian man who got it hopes it's the wrong number. The man says he disconnected his late father's telephone and settled the account in January. He owed just $23. So the son tells a Malaysian newspaper, he has received a bill, for get this, $218 trillion. That's trillion with a 't'! Well, like any good bureaucracy, the phone company there says, it's going to look into it. I hope so.
And from our you won't believe it file, kittens, yes, kittens were drafted to lure Molly the cat from the wall of a New York deli. Molly did not take the bait. Rescuers are trying again this morning to coax the fugitive feline out.
Our Randi Kaye is following this cat's quandary. Her report first appeared on Anderson's show.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She was last seen at this delicatessen in New York City. Her name is Molly. She's 11 months old with bright green eyes.
PETER MYERS, MOLLY'S OWNER: I'm told that a dog chased Molly into a gap between two buildings.
KAYE: Peter Myers is not Molly's father. He is her owner. Molly is a black cat. She was on mouse patrol inside Myers' deli when she slipped through a crack in the wall. Thirteen days have passed since. A massive effort is under way to save her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Molly, we hear you. Everybody wants you come out. We're not going to hurt you. Molly, please.
KAYE: Molly's still meowing. We heard it through the wall for ourselves late Thursday night. The landmark building was built in 1849. So tearing down a wall to reach her could weaken it. Are you concerned at all about the cat's condition?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah we're concerned about dehydration at this point. I still think he's in fairly decent shape. But we're starting to get into a critical time.
KAYE: They tried cat food, cages, still nothing. To catch a cat, you have to get creative. So animal control brought in a handful of kittens like this one. This is Kissy and she's just about five weeks old. They put them all inside one of the holes in the building hoping that the cat Molly would hear their cries and come to them. But after 35 minutes, still no Molly. A tiny video camera attached to a plumber's snake gave rescuers a glimpse of Molly Wednesday.
SCHERMER: When we saw Molly, we saw the perfect outline of two eyes, a, you know, curving down nose the way those do and Mike, who is from animal control saw whiskers.
KAYE: But just how far should the city go to save Molly?
PETER FOGES, ONLOOKER: Well I think they should knock the house down. And I think it would be wonderful if they did something really miraculous and saved this little cat.
KAYE: Molly's owner is convinced she's enjoying the spotlight.
MYERS: I'm beginning to think that she's enjoying this and she's -- she's in the back of his building loving it is all.
KAYE: Still, Myers, who has seen the return of mice to his shop since his faithful feline disappeared hopes Molly is home soon.
Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
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KAYE: Randi Kaye is on cat patrol in New York City. Randi, the rescuers are back today. What are they going to try today to get Molly out. Well, Daryn, I just spoke to Michael Pastori from animal control, and he told me that they brought in some more kittens hoping that Molly's maternal instincts will kick in and she's hear those kittens today maybe and come out. They're also digging more holes. They're now up to about 17 holes in that building. They're also considering going in behind the counter of that specialty shop and digging down into the cellar, but they need to get the owner's approval, of course, for that.
KAGAN: What kind of condition do they think Molly the cat is in? And how long can she survive in that wall?
KAYE: Well, the good news is they did hear some faint cries from her this morning, so they definitely think she's still alive. They put another camera out to try and get another glimpse of her. They think that her cries are pretty strong, so that's good news for her. And they also think that she's probably feasting, or snacking on some mice and maybe some water from the pipes in that maze in the wall. So they think she could probably lost about three weeks, but today marks two weeks.
KAGAN: And you know, I'm the biggest animal lover in the world, so I don't want to put a damper on the Molly rescue story. How does a guy have a cat in a deli in the first place? Isn't that illegal?
KAYE: It is actually illegal. But know what, he has a lot of mice there, so he would rather pay the fine, which is about $300 for having a cat there, than paying a lot of other fines for having all of those mice there. So I guess it makes sense to him.
KAGAN: I guess so. And they probably want her to get back on the job.
But who's paying for the big rescue effort?
KAYE: Well, actually I asked about that yesterday when it was out there. And it turns out that because it's a slow week, given that it's a holiday week with Passover, and Easter and today Good Friday, they don't have a lot of activity for the police department, and the fire department and animal control. So they said they've been able to do this without any added expense and without any overtime.
KAGAN: Well, for some of the things we've seen New York City face, let's be glad that this is what they have. And go Molly -- or actually, come back Molly.
KAYE: I hope so. I hope she gets home safely.
KAGAN: Absolutely.
KAYE: Randi, thank you.
KAGAN: Thank you, Daryn. Randi Kaye live in New York City.
Well, a pyramid in Bosnia? That's what some scientists believe. Archaeologists went into a tunnel hoping to find the pyramid's gates. There are no known pyramids in Europe, and no evidence that any ancient civilization attempted to build one there. We'll keep you posted on that story there.
I'm Daryn Kagan. International news is up next.
Stay tuned for YOUR WORLD TODAY. And then I'll be back with the latest headlines from here in the U.S. in about 20 minutes. See you then.
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