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Fugitive Polygamist Warren Jeffs Arrested Near Las Vegas; Back to Bay St. Louis; Ahmadinejad: Iran has Right to Peaceful Nuclear Program

Aired August 29, 2006 - 11:02   ET

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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: We are going to begin the second hour of CNN LIVE TODAY. And while we do that, let me tell you what we are watching.
It is a solemn day in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast. President Bush attending a prayer service one year after Katrina.

Ernesto eying Florida. The storm could grow into a hurricane again.

Meteorologist Chad Myers has new storm stats from the CNN hurricane center.

Also, this developing story. The FBI has one of its 10 most wanted in custody this hour. Polygamist Warren Jeffs is arrested near Las Vegas.

And with more on that, on the significance on what this man is accused of doing and why it's just so incredible, how this Nevada state trooper caught him, let's go to our Kelli Arena, our justice correspondent, with more on that -- Kelli.

KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Daryn, it was pretty incredible. This all happened at a routine traffic stop.

A Nevada state trooper pulled Warren Jeffs over because there were no license plates on the car that he was driving. He was with one of his wives and a brother. Those two are being interviewed, but they are not under arrest.

Now, Jeffs, as you know, Daryn, is the leader of a sect which is called the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He is wanted both in Utah and Arizona for allegedly arranging marriages between older men and underage girls.

Now, he's been on the FBI's most wanted list since May. And the bureau was offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to his capture. It's not clear at this point whether he will be extradited to Arizona or to Utah. Officials are expected to hold a press conference with more details later today -- Daryn.

KAGAN: All right. Kelli, thank you for that.

We've had a number of correspondents in the area over the last several months covering this story of Warren Jeffs. He's been on the run since May, but facing charges long before then.

That includes our Gary Tuchman, who went to Colorado City. And as Gary was telling us, received one of the coolest receptions he ever has in his entire reporting career.

Here's why. Let's listen.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): In Colorado City, Arizona, the American flag flies. But most of the citizens pledge allegiance to Warren Jeffs.

(on camera): What do you think of the man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he's awesome.

TUCHMAN (voice over): The FBI fugitive has instructed his followers not to talk to the news media. Almost always that demand is strictly obeyed.

(on camera): Can I ask you a quick question? I'm Gary Tuchman with CNN. I just wanted to check with you, do you have any idea where Warren Jeffs is? Any idea at all?

I just wanted to ask you if you have any idea where Warren Jeffs is.

(voice over): The police department, where the chief is also a member of Jeffs' FLDS church, doesn't return repeated phone calls.

(on camera): Anybody there?

(voice over): And the cops have no interest in speaking when we stop by. They don't even speak to a county attorney special agent who's been here for 18 months investigating Jeffs and his supporters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it is bizarre, but then again, we are here in Colorado City. Every one of the police officers are FLDS members. You know, they've sworn to follow Warren Jeffs.

TUCHMAN (on camera): We travel a lot in this job. Rarely do we go anywhere where we feel so unwelcome as this place. For the most part, when we come up to people, they scatter.

Can I ask you a quick question?

(voice over): But in this town of about 9,000, where Warren Jeffs lived in this house before he went underground, some coaxing did result in some comments.

(on camera): Hey, do you know where Warren Jeffs is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir. Ain't nobody seen him for two or three years that I know of.

TUCHMAN: What do you think of him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's a great prophet. And you're damn fools for bothering him, because your ass is going to get hung one of these days when you look up from hell and look at him in the face.

TUCHMAN (voice over): Jeffs' very passionate followers also believe his father, Rulon, was a prophet. Rulon died in 2002 and is buried here in town. Warren Jeffs has been the FLDS leader since then.

(on camera): Do you have any idea where Warren Jeffs is right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don't.

TUCHMAN: When was the last time you saw him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About three years ago.

TUCHMAN: So do you think he's been back to Colorado City at all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He could have. I mean, that's none of my business, though.

TUCHMAN: How come? You're a follower of him, and you think he's a prophet, and you think he's the greatest man on earth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He does what he needs to do and I don't have to know about it.

TUCHMAN: And how are you able to continue following his way if you don't see him or hear of him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The words that he's already given us.

TUCHMAN (voice over): Investigator Engels says his presence is not welcomed either. And he's occasionally harassed.

GARY ENGELS, MOHAVE COUNTY, ARIZONA INVESTIGATOR: Sometimes if they're stopped at a stop sign or something, they'll try to take off real fast, throwing gravel on my vehicle or the diesels, you know. They'll accelerate real fast, blowing a lot of black smoke out.

TUCHMAN: Well, lo and behold, we got a similar experience. The FBI may have Warren Jeffs on its 10 most wanted list, but what most people here want...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys are all damn idiots.

TUCHMAN: ... is for us to get out of town.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Colorado City, Arizona.

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KAGAN: And we are learning now the Justice Department plans to hold a news conference 2:00 p.m. Eastern for the latest on this news about the arrest of Warren Jeffs. Of course you'll see that live here on CNN.

Tropical Storm Ernesto making its way toward Florida. Chad Myers keeping an eye on that -- Chad.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Good morning, Daryn.

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KAGAN: What about last year's hurricane, Katrina? A number of events today mark a year since Katrina struck the Gulf Coast. Some have taken place just the last hour.

Around 10:20 Eastern, President Bush joined New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin at a prayer service.

Then at 10:30 Eastern, several ceremonies remembered the dead. Bells ringing and wreaths were laid.

Beginning at 1:00, the levees that failed.

And then later today, 12:20 Eastern, President Bush will talk about rebuilding New Orleans.

And this afternoon, a jazz funeral will wind through downtown streets. It's a New Orleans tradition of mourning and celebration.

Let's go back to Bay St. Louis. Our Kathleen Koch grew up in that Mississippi town. She has reported on its recovery from Katrina and she is back today.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twelve months of back-breaking labor, thousands of volunteers, and sheer determination. It's brought parts of Bay St. Louis, Mississippi back to something close to normal.

This was Monte and Daniel Strong's home after Katrina. They and their three children shared a FEMA trailer while rebuilding. With hurricane season still under way, they wonder whether they did the right thing.

DANIELLE STRONG, RESIDENT: This is scary. It's scary all around. You'd hate to get back to this point and then, you know, find out that you should have sold your house or you should have left.

OK, you're going to have to staple.

KOCH: They also realize they have even less protection now should another hurricane strike.

MONTE STRONG, RESIDENT: All the beachfront homes, and businesses and trees and all that stuff, all that stuff's gone, so there's nothing to stop the water now. Most of the debris is gone, but many destroyed buildings aren't. So children go to school in portable trailers in plain sight of their gutted classrooms.

FRANCES WEILER, PRINCIPAL, NORTH BAY ELEMENTARY: It's a constant daily reminder of what we've lost. Just like driving our streets of our community is a constant daily reminder of what we've lost.

KOCH: To make matters worse, insurance rates are going up. State wind coverage went up 90 percent. David Treutel, who sells insurance, lost his home and business, and worries that many won't be able to afford the increases.

DAVID TREUTEL, INSURANCE AGENT: These aren't the wealthy people, these aren't the condominium dwellers. These are the mom and pops. These are the teachers. They just don't have the ability.

KOCH: With one quarter of the people gone, half the businesses closed, tax revenues have plummeted, Bay St. Louis is struggling to pay its workers and provide basic services.

MAYOR EDDIE FAVRE, BAY ST. LOUIS: We're expecting or projecting that late September, early October, unless something happens, we'll be broke, out of money. We'll be out of money. After that, we don't know what we're going to do.

KOCH (on camera): And something has happened. At the 11th hour, the Mississippi state legislature Monday passed a bill that will give small struggling cities like Bay St. Louis up and down the Mississippi Gulf Coast grants of up to $3 million to help get them through the next year. No one knows what will happen after that.

Kathleen Koch, CNN, Bay St. Louis, Mississippi.

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KAGAN: Thank you, Kathleen.

And she's in her hometown today. We wish her and her hometown well.

We are bringing you the latest on a story that is breaking out of Nevada, Utah and Arizona. Warren Jeffs has been captured. He was on the FBI's 10 most warranted list. A fugitive polygamist leader.

We'll have the latest.

Also, in Colorado, no DNA match, no case. John Karr off the hook in the JonBenet Ramsey killing but still faces other charges.

We'll tell you what that's about.

First, though, the clock is ticking down on a U.N. deadline. Iran still defiant over its nuclear program.

Details on CNN, the most trusted name in news. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAGAN: Looking at radar images from Ernesto, tropical storm at this point. We expect an update and a chance to talk with someone from the National Hurricane Center in the next few minutes. So stay with us for the latest on Ernesto.

Also, President Bush is in New Orleans right now. He's at this national -- not national. He's at this prayer service in St. Louis, at the -- let's try that again. St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans. That's where President Bush is. This is commemorating the one-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

President Bush will be speaking in the next hour about recovery efforts and rebuilding along the Gulf Coast. You'll see those comments live here on CNN.

Now to Iran. That country says that it's its own right and no one can top it. Defiant words today from Iran's president.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments about his country's nuclear activities came during a news conference in Tehran a short time ago. Iran is now facing a U.N. deadline in two days: suspend nuclear activities or face the possibility of sanctions.

The Iranian leader again insists his country's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only. The U.S. and its allies believe otherwise. During the news conference, the Iranian leader also challenged President Bush to a debate.

Our Aneesh Raman is with me. He is the only U.S. television network reporter working in Tehran right now. He joins me on the phone.

Aneesh, hello.

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Daryn, good morning.

That last thought really the only new idea that the Iranian president at this, a rare news conference, saying he wanted to debate President Bush live on television. He later conceded that was unlikely, saying instead the debate would ensue between both leaders through the media and that reporters would be in the middle.

It was part of a larger sense you got in this press conference that Iran not only sees it as, A, if not the rising power in the region, but really as the balancing power now worldwide to the United States. Repeatedly, he said diplomacy of Iran is now becoming diplomatic talks throughout the world and that he is pursuing "active diplomacy" to try and present an alternative diplomatic approach than the U.S.

In terms of the nuclear issue, no suspension, no intentions to meet the U.N. deadline that comes on Thursday. And while Iran has called for more talks for a new formula to solve this, I asked him at the press conference whether those talks would include perhaps suspending Iran's nuclear program. He said that really is not on the table, it is Iran's right to pursue.

So, Iran set to take on essentially the U.N., but clearly in this press conference Iran's president making it clear that he wants to be seen as the balancing power to the U.S. -- Daryn.

KAGAN: And who do you think the intended audience was for his comments, Aneesh, Iran, the world, the U.S., the U.N.?

RAMAN: I think, first and foremost, it was probably the U.S. and the U.S. administration. There were a number of domestic issues that were dealt with, specifically by the domestic reporters, just huge economic concerns in Iran.

One domestic reporter said, "Should the Iranian people be ready for sanctions? Should they be ready for prices to go up?" He essentially skirted that question, the Iranian president.

But the larger issue was really directed at the American public, that Iran sees itself as a balancing power to their government and to the world community, that Iran (INAUDIBLE) if they feel disenfranchised with the way things are running. The root cause, he said -- and he used that word -- of all the problems in the world, according to the Iranian president, is that the U.S. and Britain essentially (INAUDIBLE) as if it was theirs to have -- Daryn.

KAGAN: Aneesh Raman, live from Tehran.

Thank you.

Now on to Iraq. There is no letup today. Attackers blowing up an office belonging to a radical Shiite cleric in Baquba. Two people were killed there.

Police also tell CNN That gunmen killed seven others in four shooting incidents. And in Baghdad this morning, Iraqi police found 26 bodies in various neighbors.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is in Baghdad for talks with Iraqi leaders. Gonzales is also meeting with Department of Justice employees who are helping rebuild Iraq's legal system. He says Congress recently approved $100 million in new funding for the Iraqi court system and prison.

A lot of news breaking on this Tuesday morning, including the arrest of Warren Jeffs, the leader of that polygamist sect in Utah and Arizona. A $100,000 tag was on his head.

We'll tell you more about that.

And we are carefully watching Ernesto as it makes its way towards Florida, and keeping an eye on last year's hurricane, Katrina.

A lot of events up and down the Gulf Coast. There's President Bush and Mrs. Bush. They're at a prayer service in New Orleans.

If you'd like to see more of that, just go to CNN.com/pipeline. A constant pipe streaming video and live coverage of that prayer service.

We're back after this.

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KAGAN: Watching the markets, they've been open almost two hours, kind of holding steady. Consumer confidence numbers out. Nine-month low. Investors not happy about that. But holding at these numbers, the Dow is down 25 points and the Nasdaq, well, it's just about even, down less than a point.

We are watching Ernesto as it makes its way closer to Florida.

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KAGAN: We are watching the story coming out of Nevada and Utah and Arizona. Warren Jeffs, who's on the 10 most wanted list, fugitive for running a polygamist sect.

We will talk about that and tell you the latest on his arrest and what happens to him. That's coming up.

Also, a Comair jet that was speeding down the wrong runway. Details emerging about the crash in Kentucky.

And the winds howled, the government faltered. Katrina, one year later. Will FEMA be ready next time?

That's ahead on CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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KAGAN: A number of stories developing that we're watching for you this morning, including one that's coming out of the southwest. Warren Jeffs, the man that was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list has been captured. He was just north of Las Vegas with one of his wives, and that's the key of what the story's about. He leads a series of polygamist sects around Utah, and Arizona, and Texas and up into Canada. He was with one of his wives and a brother. He faces a hearing on a federal charge of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. A Nevada State Trooper pulled him over on a routine traffic stop. Warren Jeffs taken into custody.

Also we're watching what's happening on the Gulf Coast today. It is the one-year anniversary that Hurricane Katrina came ashore there. The President and Mrs. Bush are at a prayer service at the St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans. The president and Mrs. Bush spending two days in the region.

It was Katrina's physical path of destruction that focused mainly on Louisiana an Mississippi, but the storm sent ripples far beyond there. Here is where things stand state by state. In Alabama, 21,000 Katrina evacuees are still there. The government gave $970 million to the state after the storm. About 10 percent of that went to the evacuees. Right now nearly 4,000 remain in temporary housing.

IN Mississippi, the state is sending property grant checks to people who lost their homes. That program provides about $150,000 maximum per home owner.

Also the search continues for 16 people in Mississippi still listed as missing after the storm.

And some encouraging news, the Air Force's second largest medical center, Keesler Medical Center, resumes its inpatient care this month.

In Texas, more than 100,000 evacuees called Houston home. The city also saw a spike in violent crime. Evacuees were the suspect or the victim in almost 20 percent of the violent crimes this year.

And right now, there are about 35,000 families receiving support from FEMA for temporary housing, which brings us to FEMA. The nation's faith in FEMA did fall as Katrina was coming ashore and the floodwaters were rising.

Our Jeanne Meserve takes a look at that.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Katrina destroyed lives, property and the reputation of FEMA. A year after the storm, the agency is still a punch line.

JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": Don (ph), the bombing campaign has not only seemingly failed to weaken Hezbollah, you're actually saying it's made them stronger.

DON, ACTOR: That's right, Jon. From what I hear, they're very keen to take on their next project, the reconstruction of New Orleans. Hezbollah may be a rag-tag group of undereducated Islamic extremist militiamen, but at least they're not FEMA.

MESERVE: FEMA's director says Katrina's lessons have been learned.

DAVID PAULISON, FEMA DIRECTOR: What we don't want to do is let all of that suffering, those fatalities, all of that damage go in vain. Shame on us if we do that.

MESERVE: Critical shortages of food and water are hopefully a thing of the past. FEMA says it has stockpiles to feed a million people for a week. And unlike last year, contracts for other critical items have been negotiated ahead of time. No more idling of supply trucks hundreds of miles from where they are needed, officials say, though a logistic system to track them is still a work in progress.

MICHAEL CHERTOFF, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Eventually we'd like to have a system that could literally track packages the way FedEx and UPS does. We weren't able to get there in one year, but where we've gotten takes us very, very far ahead of where we were previously. MESERVE: But a new report from the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general says many of FEMA's urban search and rescue teams are ill-prepared because of funding and personnel shortages. And some feel the agency as a whole is not ready for the next big storm.

LEO BOSNER, FEMA EMPLOYEE: I feel our preparedness has gone down.

MESERVE: Bosner, a long time FEMA employee and union representative, says government planning documents make bad assumptions and are too complex.

BOSNER: The plan to this day is incomprehensible. Nobody understood it under Katrina and nobody understands it today.

MESERVE: Former FEMA officials say sapped morale has led to a wave of retirements. And despite a recent hiring push, 15 percent of FEMA jobs are unfilled. Some state emergency managers worry about the agency's lack of bench strength.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But they really lack the depth of core people that are highly experienced in program management at this point.

MESERVE (on camera): No one believes FEMA is completely fixed. Many experts predict the agency will overcompensate for its past failures and try to use the next storm to repair what was damaged in the last one, its image.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Washington.

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KAGAN: Well, here's something people are thinking about on this one-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, have we learned anything from the storm? A new CNN poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation, 51 percent say the nation has learned. Now on the topic of being ready for a disaster, 76 percent of those polled say they have a three-day supply of food and water. Twenty-four percent say they don't. About half say they have an emergency kit that includes batteries, or radio, first-aid supplies and essential medicines.

John Mark Karr no longer facing charges in the JonBenet murder case, but he still is not a free man. A live news conference from the Boulder County D.A. is just minutes away. CNN will bring that to you live.

Also, fat in America: states that topped the scales. New findings to weigh today, on CNN. You're watching the most trusted name in news.

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KAGAN: Number of live events we're getting ready to bring to you. Beginning with -- well, not first, but including, at 2:00 p.m. Eastern, the Justice Department will be holding a news conference talking about the arrest of this man, Warren Jeffs. He was on the FBI's ten most wanted list, wanted for fleeing federal charges that he was facing, also accused of leading a number of polygamist communities in Arizona and Utah and Canada and Texas, as well. So we'll be hearing from the Justice Department in just over two hours.

In the next hour, in Boulder, Colorado, the district attorney there will be holding a news conference about this man, John Mark Karr. He no longer faces charges in the JonBenet Ramsey case. How did this turn into what the government there is calling the most expensive and extravagant DNA test in Colorado history? We'll hear what she has to say.

And President Bush is in New Orleans today. He's been at a prayer service at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans. That is just wrapping up. The president, in the next hour, will speak about recovery in New Orleans, and along the Gulf Coast, you can see Mrs. Bush, also Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco there with the president. We'll bring you the president's comments live here on CNN.

Let's get in some health news now. Where you live could have an impact on your weight. A report out this morning shows Americans keep piling on the pounds. The Trust for America's Health finds 31 states with an increase in obesity. That includes the state with the highest obesity rate, which is Mississippi. The four other most obese states are Alabama, West Virginia, Louisiana and Kentucky. Colorado, by the way, has the lowest obesity rate and it even saw a slight increase from last year.

To get your daily dose of health news online, log on to our Web site. You'll find the latest medical news, a health library and information on diet and fitness. The address is CNN.com/health.

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KAGAN: South Florida is getting ready for Tropical Storm Ernesto's expected arrival, just hours from now.

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KAGAN: No DNA match, no case. John Karr off the hook in the JonBenet Ramsey killing, but still facing other charges. The Boulder County D.A. talks about a twist in the case. That's live, ahead on CNN. You'll see it right here. CNN is the most trusted name in news.

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KAGAN: We're watching a room in Boulder, Colorado. Why? Well, because very soon we expect a news conference to begin there. The D.A. in Boulder coming out and talking about what's happened with the John Mark Karr case. Of course you've probably heard by now, the DNA is not a match, so he will not face charges in the JonBenet Ramsey case, but he does face other charges, and we will talk about that right now.

Charges dropped, and he will not be facing the Ramsey trial. But he has a date with justice anyway.

CNN's Dan Simon has the latest.

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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): John Karr's attorney made it official.

SETH TEMIN, ATTORNEY FOR JOHN MARK KARR: The warrant on Mr. Karr has been dropped by the district attorney. They're not proceeding with this case.

SIMON: Boulder district attorney Mary Lacy reached that decision after determining there was no DNA match between Karr and blood evidence at the scene where JonBenet Ramsey was murdered nearly 10 years ago.

KAREN SALAZ, SPOKESWOMAN, COLORADO STATE COURT SYSTEM: Mr. Karr is no longer going to be proceeding through our court system.

SIMON: In a five-page motion to quash the arrest warrant, the DA makes it clear why the case against Karr could never proceed, some of it extremely graphic. The documents say Karr, in e-mails and conversations with Colorado Professor Michael Tracey, claimed to have had -- quote -- "oral sex" with JonBenet.

The DA says, Karr's DNA would have been present in blood obtained from JonBenet's underwear, but tests revealed, it wasn't. Karr's lawyers says, it's ridiculous Karr was arrested in the first place.

TEMIN: We're deeply distressed by the fact that they took this man and dragged him here from Bangkok, Thailand, with no forensic evidence confirming the allegations against him and no independent factors leading to a presumption that he did anything wrong.

SIMON: But district attorney Lacy, in court documents, suggests she had no other choice but to take Karr into custody. Citing the correspondence between Karr and Tracey, Karr admitted to killing JonBenet through -- quote -- "sexual activities that included temporarily asphyxiating her."

She goes on to say that Karr, according to his own statements, accidentally killed her by becoming so sexually involved, that he lost track of time, causing her severe injury, and leading him to inflict a severe blow to the head. Since JonBenet was strangled and had head wounds, Lacy felt she had to investigate those claims.

As for why Karr had to be brought to the U.S. from Thailand, Lacy says she needed a clean swab of DNA. Investigators, she says, were able to get items touched by Karr in Thailand, but that wouldn't have been sufficient to make a match.

(on camera): John Karr's legal woes in Boulder are over. The D.A. will not charge him for making any false statements, but there will be extradition hearing Tuesday afternoon, relating to those charges in Sonoma County, California. Dan Simon, CNN, Boulder, Colorado.

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KAGAN: I'm Daryn Kagan. I'm going to encourage you to keep watching CNN. You normally see YOUR WORLD TODAY coming up in the next hour. Not today. Why? Well, we have a big hour filled with some developing news events, so I'm going to stay with you to talk you through those. This is Boulder, Colorado. John Mark Karr will not face charges in JonBenet Ramsey's murder case. You just were hearing about that from Dan Simon. The D.A. speaking out in Boulder.

Also out of Lexington, Kentucky, the NTSB talking about the latest they've learned from the crash of Comair, coming up in a moment. We'll be back after this.

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