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90-Second Pop, Culture Watch
Aired June 23, 2003 - 07:41 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: It is time now for our "90-Second Pop," our lightning fast look at pop culture.
Our experts this morning, B.J. Sigusmund, entertainment reporter for "Newsweek, "Dina Wise from "Radar" magazine and Toure, contributing editor for "Rolling Stone" magazine.
Panelists, good morning. Good to be having you with us here on a Monday morning.
TOURE, "ROLLING STONE" MAGAZINE: Good morning.
DINA WISE, "RADAR" MAGAZINE: Good morning.
Good morning.
KAGAN: Toure, we're going to start with you, kicking off "Sex and the City" last night on HBO.
TOURE: Right.
KAGAN: Does it have the same pizzazz it's had?
TOURE: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, I loved it! It was so great. I had so much fun. The girls are back. The excitement is back. They pushed some lines a little bit. It was a Holocaust joke! I can't believe it. Perhaps not about the Holocaust, but about the way we deal with the Holocaust in modern times. I mean, like, so much edginess. I loved it.
KAGAN: Dina, are you ready for that final season?
WISE: You know, what, Daryn? I was just telling B.J. this morning I was embarrassed to be a woman last night. I thought it was so bad. I thought they were stupid. And maybe it's that I'm getting older from when I started watching it six years ago, but I was just, like, I can't -- I'm embarrassed to be a woman in Manhattan and have that portrayal.
KAGAN: Oh, my gosh!
SIGUSMUND: Well, see, I like the way that they've evolved. You know, when the show started they were 31. It was one kind of story.
TOURE: Right.
SIGUSMUND: Now, they're 36, 37, Charlotte is divorced. WISE: They're still having sex with the same guys!
(CROSSTALK)
SIGUSMUND: But even Charlotte is divorced, Miranda has got a kid, Carrie is an author.
TOURE: But even look at Cynthia Nixon, right, expanding as an actress, she was funny last night. She's always so serious and hard- core and...
SIGUSMUND: What about Samantha, though? Where is she going to go? She seems back in season one again. She's the only one who has this problem.
WISE: She is colliding on that fire pole again.
(CROSSTALK)
SIGUSMUND: You want development in Carrie?
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: I mean, "Seinfeld," they're all the same. I mean, George gets a little better at doing that character.
WISE: You know what the thing is?
SIGUSMUND: But I mean, they play the same role.
(CROSSTALK)
WISE: I just -- I wanted them a little brighter. I want them a little brighter, and they're still so not.
KAGAN: And what's interesting is when it first came on, women were so excited about this series and men were kind of offended. And now as it goes on, we as women, we're, like, over it and the men are, like, they love it.
(CROSSTALK)
KAGAN: Exactly. All right, let's move on here. The Hollywood Walk of Fame, some stars getting some stars on the Walk of Fame here, and we have Anthony Hopkins, Glenn Close, Halle Barry, Bedina (ph), also Britney Spears...
WISE: And the Olsen twins.
KAGAN: ... and the Olson twins. Come on! You have to kind of put your (UNINTELLIGIBLE) a little bit, don't you?
WISE: You know, there are two sides of me. There is the important side of me that says I think that's wrong, that's unfair. How do you get Britney Spears and Sir Anthony Hopkins, I'm sorry, at the same time? But at the same token, I'm obsessed with Britney. I think the Olson twins are, like, the greatest thing ever right now.
TOURE: Yes.
WISE: Their career has been, like, 14 years (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
SIGUSMUND: Yes, there has been a huge movement in Los Angeles to beautify that area of L.A., Hollywood and Vine. You know, they created...
KAGAN: Right, they put the new Kodak Theater.
SIGUSMUND: Right, the Kodak Theater is there. It's been a long time been a very much of an urban sprawl kind of gross area, but they're putting a lot of effort into that. And this is part of the same thing. They're giving Hollywood stars, old veterans to new kids.
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: And they're just drawing as many tourists there as they can.
TOURE: But, I mean, people are becoming stars at a younger age now, so we ignore Britney and Olsen...
Well, Shirley Temple, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you don't get much...
TOURE: Right, right, but, I mean, that was a long time ago.
KAGAN: Yes.
TOURE: But, I mean, there is a whole industry of young people now being stars. I mean, look at the cover of the last "Vanity Fair." So...
SIGUSMUND: Yes, Andy Rooney can get a fourth star! He has four now, I love that. And he has promised he will come this time to get his star.
WISE: Right.
KAGAN: All right, let's talk about a bad boy in the news, and that is Mike Tyson, somehow got into trouble...
SIGUSMUND: Yes.
KAGAN: ... yet again over the weekend and arrested...
SIGUSMUND: Yes...
KAGAN: ... and getting in a fight of all things.
SIGUSMUND: Right. I wonder how many second chances this guy is going to get. You know, he's been to prison twice, once for rape and once for road rage. He bit off holyfield's ear five years ago. He tried to bite Lennox lewis' thigh last year.
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: You know what? America is still fascinated with him, and that's why he can make $17 million for a boxing match even though he's, like, 14 years past his prime.
WISE: And the interesting thing was that what Tyson told the cops was that when these three people came and they, he said, were provoking him, that he was afraid. This is Mike Tyson! What he is afraid of?
TOURE: Well, I know, but, I mean, I could understand if Mike is hit by three people in the middle of the night in Brooklyn, he doesn't know who they are or, you know, what's going happen, like...
SIGUSMUND: Yes, but...
TOURE: ... anything could happen. I mean...
SIGUSMUND: Somebody keeps drawing him into these bad situations.
TOURE: Well, he has -- I mean, he has serious mental problems. I mean, I'm not imputing him. He's admitted that he takes drugs. So, I mean, you know, he has problems and, like, we need to be a little more sensitive. I mean, the things that we have championed him for in the ring and outside the ring...
WISE: Yes.
TOURE: ... he cannot keep doing and he keeps doing.
SIGUSMUND: Right.
TOURE: And it's problematic.
KAGAN: I think this an important warning, because we have men getting crazy over "Sex and the City" and Toure calling for us to be sensitive.
WISE: The important thing is don't let Mike Tyson watch "Sex and the City."
(CROSSTALK)
KAGAN: Or maybe that would kind of cure what ails him. Panelists Toure, Dina and B.J., thank you.
TOURE: Thank you.
SIGUSMUND: Thank you.
WISE: Thank you.
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Aired June 23, 2003 - 07:41 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: It is time now for our "90-Second Pop," our lightning fast look at pop culture.
Our experts this morning, B.J. Sigusmund, entertainment reporter for "Newsweek, "Dina Wise from "Radar" magazine and Toure, contributing editor for "Rolling Stone" magazine.
Panelists, good morning. Good to be having you with us here on a Monday morning.
TOURE, "ROLLING STONE" MAGAZINE: Good morning.
DINA WISE, "RADAR" MAGAZINE: Good morning.
Good morning.
KAGAN: Toure, we're going to start with you, kicking off "Sex and the City" last night on HBO.
TOURE: Right.
KAGAN: Does it have the same pizzazz it's had?
TOURE: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, I loved it! It was so great. I had so much fun. The girls are back. The excitement is back. They pushed some lines a little bit. It was a Holocaust joke! I can't believe it. Perhaps not about the Holocaust, but about the way we deal with the Holocaust in modern times. I mean, like, so much edginess. I loved it.
KAGAN: Dina, are you ready for that final season?
WISE: You know, what, Daryn? I was just telling B.J. this morning I was embarrassed to be a woman last night. I thought it was so bad. I thought they were stupid. And maybe it's that I'm getting older from when I started watching it six years ago, but I was just, like, I can't -- I'm embarrassed to be a woman in Manhattan and have that portrayal.
KAGAN: Oh, my gosh!
SIGUSMUND: Well, see, I like the way that they've evolved. You know, when the show started they were 31. It was one kind of story.
TOURE: Right.
SIGUSMUND: Now, they're 36, 37, Charlotte is divorced. WISE: They're still having sex with the same guys!
(CROSSTALK)
SIGUSMUND: But even Charlotte is divorced, Miranda has got a kid, Carrie is an author.
TOURE: But even look at Cynthia Nixon, right, expanding as an actress, she was funny last night. She's always so serious and hard- core and...
SIGUSMUND: What about Samantha, though? Where is she going to go? She seems back in season one again. She's the only one who has this problem.
WISE: She is colliding on that fire pole again.
(CROSSTALK)
SIGUSMUND: You want development in Carrie?
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: I mean, "Seinfeld," they're all the same. I mean, George gets a little better at doing that character.
WISE: You know what the thing is?
SIGUSMUND: But I mean, they play the same role.
(CROSSTALK)
WISE: I just -- I wanted them a little brighter. I want them a little brighter, and they're still so not.
KAGAN: And what's interesting is when it first came on, women were so excited about this series and men were kind of offended. And now as it goes on, we as women, we're, like, over it and the men are, like, they love it.
(CROSSTALK)
KAGAN: Exactly. All right, let's move on here. The Hollywood Walk of Fame, some stars getting some stars on the Walk of Fame here, and we have Anthony Hopkins, Glenn Close, Halle Barry, Bedina (ph), also Britney Spears...
WISE: And the Olsen twins.
KAGAN: ... and the Olson twins. Come on! You have to kind of put your (UNINTELLIGIBLE) a little bit, don't you?
WISE: You know, there are two sides of me. There is the important side of me that says I think that's wrong, that's unfair. How do you get Britney Spears and Sir Anthony Hopkins, I'm sorry, at the same time? But at the same token, I'm obsessed with Britney. I think the Olson twins are, like, the greatest thing ever right now.
TOURE: Yes.
WISE: Their career has been, like, 14 years (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
SIGUSMUND: Yes, there has been a huge movement in Los Angeles to beautify that area of L.A., Hollywood and Vine. You know, they created...
KAGAN: Right, they put the new Kodak Theater.
SIGUSMUND: Right, the Kodak Theater is there. It's been a long time been a very much of an urban sprawl kind of gross area, but they're putting a lot of effort into that. And this is part of the same thing. They're giving Hollywood stars, old veterans to new kids.
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: And they're just drawing as many tourists there as they can.
TOURE: But, I mean, people are becoming stars at a younger age now, so we ignore Britney and Olsen...
Well, Shirley Temple, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you don't get much...
TOURE: Right, right, but, I mean, that was a long time ago.
KAGAN: Yes.
TOURE: But, I mean, there is a whole industry of young people now being stars. I mean, look at the cover of the last "Vanity Fair." So...
SIGUSMUND: Yes, Andy Rooney can get a fourth star! He has four now, I love that. And he has promised he will come this time to get his star.
WISE: Right.
KAGAN: All right, let's talk about a bad boy in the news, and that is Mike Tyson, somehow got into trouble...
SIGUSMUND: Yes.
KAGAN: ... yet again over the weekend and arrested...
SIGUSMUND: Yes...
KAGAN: ... and getting in a fight of all things.
SIGUSMUND: Right. I wonder how many second chances this guy is going to get. You know, he's been to prison twice, once for rape and once for road rage. He bit off holyfield's ear five years ago. He tried to bite Lennox lewis' thigh last year.
TOURE: Yes.
SIGUSMUND: You know what? America is still fascinated with him, and that's why he can make $17 million for a boxing match even though he's, like, 14 years past his prime.
WISE: And the interesting thing was that what Tyson told the cops was that when these three people came and they, he said, were provoking him, that he was afraid. This is Mike Tyson! What he is afraid of?
TOURE: Well, I know, but, I mean, I could understand if Mike is hit by three people in the middle of the night in Brooklyn, he doesn't know who they are or, you know, what's going happen, like...
SIGUSMUND: Yes, but...
TOURE: ... anything could happen. I mean...
SIGUSMUND: Somebody keeps drawing him into these bad situations.
TOURE: Well, he has -- I mean, he has serious mental problems. I mean, I'm not imputing him. He's admitted that he takes drugs. So, I mean, you know, he has problems and, like, we need to be a little more sensitive. I mean, the things that we have championed him for in the ring and outside the ring...
WISE: Yes.
TOURE: ... he cannot keep doing and he keeps doing.
SIGUSMUND: Right.
TOURE: And it's problematic.
KAGAN: I think this an important warning, because we have men getting crazy over "Sex and the City" and Toure calling for us to be sensitive.
WISE: The important thing is don't let Mike Tyson watch "Sex and the City."
(CROSSTALK)
KAGAN: Or maybe that would kind of cure what ails him. Panelists Toure, Dina and B.J., thank you.
TOURE: Thank you.
SIGUSMUND: Thank you.
WISE: Thank you.
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