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Bush Wraps Up Four-Nation Tour; Florida Forces Man to Sell Land
Aired May 10, 2005 - 09:30 ET
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. Just exactly half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING. Coming up this morning, did police in California make a huge mistake when they opened fire on an unarmed man in an SUV? More than 90 bullets were fired in this one incident. Was there a good reason, though? We're going to talk with the sheriff of Los Angeles County about that.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Also in a moment here, the real CSI Miami, compliments of our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He's been following the work of crime scene investigators all week long, and what he discovered in Miami shows a side of his job that would never make it into the real TV drama, so stay tuned for Sanjay.
O'BRIEN: I would imagine that so much of it is like slow, painstaking, boring work that...
HEMMER: Tough on the microscope?
O'BRIEN: Which -- no one wants to watch six hours of that. That's just not gonna work. But we'll see.
Let's get to the headlines with Carol Costello. Good morning.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to both of you. Good morning.
"Now in the News," President Bush is on his way back to Washington after a four-nation tour of Europe. Earlier this morning, he was in the former Soviet republic of Georgia touting democracy there. Here's CNN's John King.
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JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Here in Tbilisi was the grand finale of a trip designed both to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the defeat of the Nazis in World War II and to celebrate young democracies in what was once the Soviet Union. A crowd the government said numbered more than 100,000 crammed into Liberty Square, site of the Rose Revolution here just 18 months ago, to hear the president say the reformers who toppled that corrupt government are now an inspiration around the world, not only, he said in former Soviet republics but also as far away as Iraq and Lebanon.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Now across the caucuses in central Asia and the broader Middle East we see this same desire for liberty burning in the hearts of young people. They are demanding their freedom and they will have it.
KING: Mr. Bush did not mention that regime change in Iraq came at the hands of U.S. and other coalition troops, not in a peaceful revolution like here in Georgia. Nor did Mr. Bush weigh too deeply into still-festering disputes between Georgia and Russia, though he did say he expected Moscow eventually to keep a promise to shut down two Soviet aeromilitary bases it still maintains here in Georgia.
BUSH: The territorial and sovereignty of Georgia must be respected by all nations.
KING: A president who often sees protest when he travels was clearly thrilled at the warm welcome. Georgia's president called Mr. Bush a freedom fighter and said the huge crowds were a demonstration of how grateful people here are at the steady U.S. support, despite frequent complaints from Russia that Mr. Bush is meddling in its backyard.
MIKHAIL SAAKASHIVILI, GEORGIAN PRESIDENT: This is not North Korea here. You cannot tell people to go out unless they don't feel like this.
KING: The White House believes the powerful images here go hand in hand with Mr. Bush's second term focus on promoting freedom and democracy and perhaps might help convince Russia's Putin that the spread of democracy in his neighborhood is irreversible and that he should embrace it, not resist it.
John King, CNN, Tbilisi, Georgia.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: Atlanta courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols will be back in court today. He's expected to hear the charges against him. An arraignment could follow. Prosecutors are also expected to announce their intentions to seek the death penalty. Nichols is accused in a shooting rampage that left a judge and three others dead.
Sources tell CNN actor Macaulay Culkin could testify as early as tomorrow in the Michael Jackson trial. Culkin is expected to refute claims anything inappropriate happened between him and the entertainer. The manager on Jackson's ranch is set to testify when proceedings get underway in the next two hours.
And a firefighter in Phoenix almost missed out on winning more than $860,000 in this year's Kentucky Derby. Listen to this. The man bought the winning ticket in a block of 100 and then he lost it, lost them all. He spent hours searching through the trash. But the next day, the woman who sold the tickets found the missing winning ticket behind her cash register, and she was an honest person. She handed it over to him.
HEMMER: Come on.
COSTELLO: She did.
HEMMER: Come on. She found it behind her cash register?
COSTELLO: Yes. And she handed it over to him, and he's going to keep all the $860,000, which is $600,000 after taxes. No word on if she gets a cut, but maybe she should. Let's talk to that firefighter.
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O'BRIEN: Well, we first brought you a shocking videotape of a barrage of police gunfire on Monday. It started in Compton, a Los Angeles neighborhood, with reports that shots had been fired. Sheriff's deputies chased an SUV for 12 minutes, cornered it and then opened fire with at least 90 gunshots. Today investigators are trying to find out how a car chase ended with the unarmed suspect shot at least four times and a deputy sheriff slightly wounded.
I spoke with L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca about the many unanswered questions.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SHERIFF LEE BACA, L.A. COUNTY: The explanation that I'm receiving preliminarily is that the vehicle was moving backward toward the deputies, and that the vehicle had been attempting earlier, prior to that stopped position shown, to get out of that containment that it was in.
O'BRIEN: How many shots were fired? We heard some reports of 95 shots. Is that about right?
BACA: No, I think it's more in the area of about 120 shots. It's interesting to note that, even as the video shows, there are simultaneous shots being fired independently, meaning the noise that you were hearing implies there might be even less, but the reality is it's around 120.
O'BRIEN: Yesterday, when you were briefing reporters, you talked a little bit about the conditions under which deputies are trained to shoot, and you said, obviously, in self-defense and in the protection of citizens. Do you feel now -- and I know there's an investigation under way, obviously -- do you feel right now, though, that those conditions were met to open fire in an urban neighborhood?
BACA: Well, I have to say this, that we have an extensive evaluation process. The district attorney's office is looking at this, our Office of Independent Review. We have a training component regarding tactics. Clearly, there's questions that need to be answered.
I'll say this, though. In our system, in Los Angeles County, we have one-person cars. Once a person is contained, and in this case this vehicle was not fully contained, the communications questions have to be answered. How do people who work in one-person cars coordinate with each other verbally in an ongoing scenario that has high intensity? That's the biggest question that I want to get the answer to.
O'BRIEN: As we mentioned...
BACA: I don't think it's very easy, is what I'm saying.
O'BRIEN: As we mentioned, deputy injured. The suspect injured. Homeowners were showing off bullet holes in their homes. Nobody was killed. Pretty remarkable, you have to say.
BACA: Very remarkable, and thank God for that. And I'm glad that the suspect is not seriously injured, and his wounds appear to be minor.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: The suspect, 44-year-old Winston Hayes (ph), is said to be, in fact, in stable condition at a hospital. Sheriff Baca said Hayes has a record of arrests for drugs and assaults, but it is not certain what he will be charged with, if anything, in connection with this incident -- Bill.
HEMMER: Well, want to open a story now we talked about yesterday. Convicted Atlanta murderer Wayne Williams -- this story goes back about 23 years now -- speaking out in an interview at a Chicago radio station. All this now, that word that police want to reopen his case. Williams insists that he is innocent, but does admit that he made mistakes over how he handled himself back in the early 1980s.
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)
WAYNE WILLIAMS, CONVICTED MURDERER: My picture's in "The New York Times," labeled, "Atlanta Monster Seized." And what I did was a lot of 23-year-old young black men would have done at the time. I tried to lash out at the system. That's why I went on this so-called police chase to Maynard Jackson's (ph) house, because I knew Maynard. I said, Maynard, why are you letting this happen to me? You know better than this. I went to Reggie Eaves' (ph) house. I said, look, put an end to this thing. And what I didn't realize was that people took that the wrong way and said I was mocking the authorities and mocking police -- no, I wasn't. I knew these people on a first name basis.
(END AUDIOTAPE)
HEMMER: Williams was convicted in 1983, given two life sentences for murdering two men. Police said afterward that he was responsible for more than 20 other murders. He was never charged in those cases -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: A man in Florida has 160 acres of swampland in Florida that he doesn't want to sell you, but the state wants the land and they're paying him nearly $5 million to get it, whether he wants it or not.
John Zarrella has the story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down this winding gravel road, past the pine trees and palms, out here in the middle of nowhere, lives a man worth millions, a 69-year-old man named Jesse James Hardy, who doesn't want the money.
JESSE JAMES HARDY, FORCED TO SELL LAND: I don't want the damn money. Please, please take the money back.
ZARRELLA: Thirty-two years ago, Hardy paid $60,000 for 160 acres of rock, scrub brush and mosquitoes, nestled in southwest Florida, not too far from Naples.
(on camera): Did you build on this by yourself?
HARDY: Yes, I did. It ain't much. I went to Miami and I got that tin for the roof.
ZARRELLA (voice-over): But by the end of November, Hardy has to move. The state of Florida wants his land. They call it the hole in the doughnut of the massive $8 billion Everglades Restoration Project.
HARDY: Please, don't b.s. me. I didn't fall off that turnip truck yesterday, you know?
ZARRELLA: Hardy doesn't believe his land will ever be used for restoration. But after years of fighting, Hardy agreed last month to take $4.95 million from the state. Under its eminent-domain authority, he ultimately had no choice but to sell. Now he's rich, but miserable.
(on camera): The one thing, obviously, when people see, they're going to say, people are going to say, Jesse, what do you want to be out here for?
HARDY: Oh, I love it.
ZARRELLA: You have a great place.
HARDY: For what? You tell me what do you do? What do you do, sit around and watch TV?
ZARRELLA (voice-over): Jesse James Hardy would give anything to get out of the deal. He just wants too stay here. No electricity service, never had any. A generator runs the A/C.
HARDY: There's the motor. That's a nice (INAUDIBLE).
ZARRELLA: His first phone was a cell phone.
HARDY: Technology -- technology put me in touch with the whole world.
ZARRELLA: Hardy has no idea where he's going to live, but one thing is for sure, he's not leaving one minute before he has to.
HARDY: Thirty-two years shot to hell, 32 years shot to hell, you know?
ZARRELLA: And all he's got to show for it is about $5 million.
John Zarrella, CNN, Collier County, Florida.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: John Hardy has until November 30th to leave.
HEMMER: From Philadelphia now, actually northwest of Philly, about 15 miles, small town called Conchihawken (ph) -- I hope I got that right -- there's a two-alarm fire at a church there in suburban Philly. It's the First Baptist Church, Montgomery County. Firefighters, you can see from the videotape here, a live picture, using tower trucks to pour water on that blaze. Luckily no injuries reported. Just want to bring you that picture now. Pretty smoke there northwest of Philly.
In a moment here, parrot heads find a home on satellite radio. Andy explains that. "Minding Your Business" in a moment here.
O'BRIEN: And in our "House Call" this morning, how does Hollywood's version of "CSI" compare to the real thing? Dr. Gupta finds out from a professional crime-scene investigator, up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: All this week Dr. Sanjay Gupta takes us behinds the scenes, looking at the real work or crime scene investigators. It's what you won't see on "CSI." and its two spinoffs. This morning Sanjay hits the streets to show us the real CSI Miami.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JOSEPH SCHILLACI, MIAMI POLICE DEPT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR: When I look at his nails, I see his nails are long, how they're not broken. We look for obvious signs of trauma.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, 360 M.D.: For "CSI: Miami" there's a lot of snapshots and flashlights at murder scenes.
SCHILLACI: OK, you got it.
GUPTA: But, in the real world, a homicide detective has a variety of duties from the exciting to the mundane.
Sergeant Joe Schillaci of the Miami city homicide takes us through on a routine ride through the Overton (ph) area of Miami. In real life, CSI investigators learn the streets.
SCHILLACI: She is coming in the area to buy. Right now. Yes. Look at this. This kills me. I'm getting out on this one.
GUPTA: Suddenly, Schillaci, a father of two himself, stops, not to arrest, but to counsel a teenage heroin user. SCHILLACI: You are a very pretty young lady. I hate to see you in the mix. How long have you been using?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three years, on and off.
SCHILLACI: Listen, I handled 10, 10 overdoses, in this area in the last six months. If you don't do something, you are going to be 11.
Just that one person, if I can make a difference in that one person's life, then I achieved my ultimate goal out here.
OK, you got it, I'll be there in a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.
SCHILLACI: We got a case. It's a death investigation.
GUPTA: Next stop, an apartment. An elderly man is found dead on his couch.
SCHILLACI: When was the last time he was scene alive?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just took him some food yesterday. He didn't say anything to me that he was -- he didn't feel good.
GUPTA: In Miami, detectives don't just investigate homicides. They cover natural deaths, as well, and they make sure there's no foul play involved.
SCHILLACI: Poor guy went to sleep and...
GUPTA: A little different than on the CSI shows, where solving dramatic murders is all there is.
SCHILLACI: I need you to come to the office. Can you come to the office?
GUPTA: Back in Miami, Schillaci gets a phone call that changes his life.
SCHILLACI: I'm going to interrupt you. It's official. I've been made.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's been made! He's a lieutenant!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love it! Congratulations. Are you serious?
GUPTA: A call to his wife.
SCHILLACI: You are now Mrs. Lieutenant Joseph Schillaci.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Already?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!
GUPTA: As the day winds down, Schillaci and his wife Evelyn toast the promotion, but remember the tough times in real life CSI, the dangerous cases, sudden calls and long waits.
Schillaci says the biggest difference between "CSI," the TV show, and reality, is real life.
SCHILLACI: It's not the same, when you are on the scene, trying to console a mother of a child that's been murdered. That's reality. That's what we, the real investigators, have to live with. There's no turning it off. There's no changing the channel if you don't like what you're seeing.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: Tomorrow on AMERICAN MORNING, Sanjay takes you behind the scenes of the hit drama "CSI Miami." We're going see how one real life detective turned his work into a script for the hit show. And then on Sunday, you can see the whole hour of the subject in Sanjay's primetime special. It's called "Anatomy of Murder." That's Sunday, 10:00 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN -- Bill.
HEMMER: "CNN LIVE TODAY" is coming up next. Daryn, what you working on there this morning?
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, plenty for you, Bill. Coming up at the top of the hour, we have the heartbreaking story out of Zion, Illinois that we continue to follow, the two little girl whose rode their bikes together, played together, went to school together, and then found dead together. One family member has been questioned. We'll get the latest in the investigation and how the town is reacting.
Plus, riding along in a high-speed chase. Rick Sanchez climbs in the backseat with an adrenaline rush, with a look at how officers give pursuit and remain cautious all at the same time.
And thousands of government computer files have been broken into. What do the files have? Who is the culprit? And how will this security breach put you at risk?
We'll take a look at all those stories and more coming up, 15 minutes away.
HEMMER: Hey, we'll see you then.
KAGAN: You got it.
HEMMER: All right, Daryn.
In a moment, Margaritaville is headed for satellite radio. Andy explains that in "Minding Your Business," next here on AMERICAN MORNING.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HEMMER: Welcome back, everyone. Move over Howard Stern, make room for cheeseburgers and satellites. Dean gave us that line on the floor over there. Here's Andy Serwer, "Minding Your Business."
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" COLUMNIST: How you going to follow that? I'll try.
(CROSSTALK)
SERWER: Thank you.
Let's talk about the markets, first off. Stocks selling off a little bit at this hour,down 54 on the big board. To be expected, taking a little breather after a couple days of some nice gains here. Couple of entertainment stories to talk about this morning.
First of all, Burdlesman (ph), the giant German media company, is buying Columbia House. Yes, the record company that sells CDs through the mail to you -- you know, the record clubs. Remember Columbia House? Still a vital business. 85 percent owned by Blackstone (ph), the bio company, 15 percent owned by Time Warner, the parent company of this network. $400 million deal, according to "The Wall Street Journal."
And then, this now will begin to make sense of these satellite and cheeseburger thing. Wasted away again on Sirius Satellite Radio. Jimmy Buffett is taking his act to Sirius Satellite Radio. There he is. He's not just an entertainer, you know. He's a serious businessman.
Radio Margaritaville is already an Internet radio channel and now he's going to have it on Sirius. No, it's not just a show. It's a whole channel. 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Jimmy Buffett. Parrotheads. Waste away in Margaritaville. Apparently they do play other things besides Jimmy Buffett on the radio Margaritaville. I just found that out. But it seem to be a little bit too much Jimmy Buffett.
HEMMER: Do you have an all Elvis station now? Do you have an all Beatles station out there on satellite radio?
SERWER: Well, if you've got an all Jimmy Buffett.
CAFFERTY: Jimmy Buffett is hardly in the same league as the Beatles.
(CROSSTALK)
HEMMER: But he's on to something here. If you're an artist and you want your own bandwidth on the satellite, I mean, this is the way to do it.
SERWER: Well, he's got restaurants all over the place. CAFFERTY: We could "Cafferty File" channel.
SERWER: Yes.
CAFFERTY: All "Cafferty File," all the time.
HEMMER: Ding, ding, ding!
CAFFERTY: Yes. 24/7, bring it on. Yes.
O'BRIEN: I can just say "Huh!"
CAFFERTY: Actually, you know what?
SERWER: Oh, no.
CAFFERTY: It's a thought. I got 16 months.
"Question of the Day" has to do with the federal government providing a billion dollars over the next three years to pay for emergency room healthcare for illegal immigrants. Good idea or no? 1,000 e-mails today, give or take. A lot of response.
Ruth writes, "Yes, they should be helped. The bill, however, should either go to the employer or the Mexican government. That would teach the employer to get a group insurance plan and have these people covered."
Claire in Delaware writes: "Jack, the disgrace is not that the government's paying for healthcare for illegal aliens, but that we're not providing healthcare to our citizens."
And Julianne in Maryland writes: "I'm 41. Due to medical reasons, I've only worked six days since a hospital stay in February. I have no insurance, can't get help for my condition because I have no medical coverage. I'm facing $5,000 in medical bills for a five-day stay in the hospital. My savings account's down to $500. Where on earth is my handout?"
O'BRIEN: A provocative "Question of the Day," Jack.
CAFFERTY: It's an interesting topic.
O'BRIEN: Yes, I thought so.
CAFFERTY: A lot of emotion about illegal aliens and stuff these days.
O'BRIEN: That's our break. We're back in a few.
CAFFERTY: All "Cafferty File," all the time.
SERWER: 24/7, 365 days.
O'BRIEN: I would definitely tune in. Who would want to miss that? SERWER: Don't turn the dial. Stay always tuned in.
O'BRIEN: Gee, just the thought itself would, you know -- hey, whatever. We're back in a moment.
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HEMMER: Hey, we got to run. See you tomorrow?
O'BRIEN: Mmm hmm.
HEMMER: All right, Jack?
O'BRIEN: I'll be here.
CAFFERTY: Yes, sure.
O'BRIEN: Jack?
HEMMER: Here's Daryn Kagan over at the CNN Center.
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. Just exactly half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING. Coming up this morning, did police in California make a huge mistake when they opened fire on an unarmed man in an SUV? More than 90 bullets were fired in this one incident. Was there a good reason, though? We're going to talk with the sheriff of Los Angeles County about that.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Also in a moment here, the real CSI Miami, compliments of our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He's been following the work of crime scene investigators all week long, and what he discovered in Miami shows a side of his job that would never make it into the real TV drama, so stay tuned for Sanjay.
O'BRIEN: I would imagine that so much of it is like slow, painstaking, boring work that...
HEMMER: Tough on the microscope?
O'BRIEN: Which -- no one wants to watch six hours of that. That's just not gonna work. But we'll see.
Let's get to the headlines with Carol Costello. Good morning.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to both of you. Good morning.
"Now in the News," President Bush is on his way back to Washington after a four-nation tour of Europe. Earlier this morning, he was in the former Soviet republic of Georgia touting democracy there. Here's CNN's John King.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Here in Tbilisi was the grand finale of a trip designed both to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the defeat of the Nazis in World War II and to celebrate young democracies in what was once the Soviet Union. A crowd the government said numbered more than 100,000 crammed into Liberty Square, site of the Rose Revolution here just 18 months ago, to hear the president say the reformers who toppled that corrupt government are now an inspiration around the world, not only, he said in former Soviet republics but also as far away as Iraq and Lebanon.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Now across the caucuses in central Asia and the broader Middle East we see this same desire for liberty burning in the hearts of young people. They are demanding their freedom and they will have it.
KING: Mr. Bush did not mention that regime change in Iraq came at the hands of U.S. and other coalition troops, not in a peaceful revolution like here in Georgia. Nor did Mr. Bush weigh too deeply into still-festering disputes between Georgia and Russia, though he did say he expected Moscow eventually to keep a promise to shut down two Soviet aeromilitary bases it still maintains here in Georgia.
BUSH: The territorial and sovereignty of Georgia must be respected by all nations.
KING: A president who often sees protest when he travels was clearly thrilled at the warm welcome. Georgia's president called Mr. Bush a freedom fighter and said the huge crowds were a demonstration of how grateful people here are at the steady U.S. support, despite frequent complaints from Russia that Mr. Bush is meddling in its backyard.
MIKHAIL SAAKASHIVILI, GEORGIAN PRESIDENT: This is not North Korea here. You cannot tell people to go out unless they don't feel like this.
KING: The White House believes the powerful images here go hand in hand with Mr. Bush's second term focus on promoting freedom and democracy and perhaps might help convince Russia's Putin that the spread of democracy in his neighborhood is irreversible and that he should embrace it, not resist it.
John King, CNN, Tbilisi, Georgia.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COSTELLO: Atlanta courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols will be back in court today. He's expected to hear the charges against him. An arraignment could follow. Prosecutors are also expected to announce their intentions to seek the death penalty. Nichols is accused in a shooting rampage that left a judge and three others dead.
Sources tell CNN actor Macaulay Culkin could testify as early as tomorrow in the Michael Jackson trial. Culkin is expected to refute claims anything inappropriate happened between him and the entertainer. The manager on Jackson's ranch is set to testify when proceedings get underway in the next two hours.
And a firefighter in Phoenix almost missed out on winning more than $860,000 in this year's Kentucky Derby. Listen to this. The man bought the winning ticket in a block of 100 and then he lost it, lost them all. He spent hours searching through the trash. But the next day, the woman who sold the tickets found the missing winning ticket behind her cash register, and she was an honest person. She handed it over to him.
HEMMER: Come on.
COSTELLO: She did.
HEMMER: Come on. She found it behind her cash register?
COSTELLO: Yes. And she handed it over to him, and he's going to keep all the $860,000, which is $600,000 after taxes. No word on if she gets a cut, but maybe she should. Let's talk to that firefighter.
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O'BRIEN: Well, we first brought you a shocking videotape of a barrage of police gunfire on Monday. It started in Compton, a Los Angeles neighborhood, with reports that shots had been fired. Sheriff's deputies chased an SUV for 12 minutes, cornered it and then opened fire with at least 90 gunshots. Today investigators are trying to find out how a car chase ended with the unarmed suspect shot at least four times and a deputy sheriff slightly wounded.
I spoke with L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca about the many unanswered questions.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SHERIFF LEE BACA, L.A. COUNTY: The explanation that I'm receiving preliminarily is that the vehicle was moving backward toward the deputies, and that the vehicle had been attempting earlier, prior to that stopped position shown, to get out of that containment that it was in.
O'BRIEN: How many shots were fired? We heard some reports of 95 shots. Is that about right?
BACA: No, I think it's more in the area of about 120 shots. It's interesting to note that, even as the video shows, there are simultaneous shots being fired independently, meaning the noise that you were hearing implies there might be even less, but the reality is it's around 120.
O'BRIEN: Yesterday, when you were briefing reporters, you talked a little bit about the conditions under which deputies are trained to shoot, and you said, obviously, in self-defense and in the protection of citizens. Do you feel now -- and I know there's an investigation under way, obviously -- do you feel right now, though, that those conditions were met to open fire in an urban neighborhood?
BACA: Well, I have to say this, that we have an extensive evaluation process. The district attorney's office is looking at this, our Office of Independent Review. We have a training component regarding tactics. Clearly, there's questions that need to be answered.
I'll say this, though. In our system, in Los Angeles County, we have one-person cars. Once a person is contained, and in this case this vehicle was not fully contained, the communications questions have to be answered. How do people who work in one-person cars coordinate with each other verbally in an ongoing scenario that has high intensity? That's the biggest question that I want to get the answer to.
O'BRIEN: As we mentioned...
BACA: I don't think it's very easy, is what I'm saying.
O'BRIEN: As we mentioned, deputy injured. The suspect injured. Homeowners were showing off bullet holes in their homes. Nobody was killed. Pretty remarkable, you have to say.
BACA: Very remarkable, and thank God for that. And I'm glad that the suspect is not seriously injured, and his wounds appear to be minor.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
O'BRIEN: The suspect, 44-year-old Winston Hayes (ph), is said to be, in fact, in stable condition at a hospital. Sheriff Baca said Hayes has a record of arrests for drugs and assaults, but it is not certain what he will be charged with, if anything, in connection with this incident -- Bill.
HEMMER: Well, want to open a story now we talked about yesterday. Convicted Atlanta murderer Wayne Williams -- this story goes back about 23 years now -- speaking out in an interview at a Chicago radio station. All this now, that word that police want to reopen his case. Williams insists that he is innocent, but does admit that he made mistakes over how he handled himself back in the early 1980s.
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)
WAYNE WILLIAMS, CONVICTED MURDERER: My picture's in "The New York Times," labeled, "Atlanta Monster Seized." And what I did was a lot of 23-year-old young black men would have done at the time. I tried to lash out at the system. That's why I went on this so-called police chase to Maynard Jackson's (ph) house, because I knew Maynard. I said, Maynard, why are you letting this happen to me? You know better than this. I went to Reggie Eaves' (ph) house. I said, look, put an end to this thing. And what I didn't realize was that people took that the wrong way and said I was mocking the authorities and mocking police -- no, I wasn't. I knew these people on a first name basis.
(END AUDIOTAPE)
HEMMER: Williams was convicted in 1983, given two life sentences for murdering two men. Police said afterward that he was responsible for more than 20 other murders. He was never charged in those cases -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: A man in Florida has 160 acres of swampland in Florida that he doesn't want to sell you, but the state wants the land and they're paying him nearly $5 million to get it, whether he wants it or not.
John Zarrella has the story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down this winding gravel road, past the pine trees and palms, out here in the middle of nowhere, lives a man worth millions, a 69-year-old man named Jesse James Hardy, who doesn't want the money.
JESSE JAMES HARDY, FORCED TO SELL LAND: I don't want the damn money. Please, please take the money back.
ZARRELLA: Thirty-two years ago, Hardy paid $60,000 for 160 acres of rock, scrub brush and mosquitoes, nestled in southwest Florida, not too far from Naples.
(on camera): Did you build on this by yourself?
HARDY: Yes, I did. It ain't much. I went to Miami and I got that tin for the roof.
ZARRELLA (voice-over): But by the end of November, Hardy has to move. The state of Florida wants his land. They call it the hole in the doughnut of the massive $8 billion Everglades Restoration Project.
HARDY: Please, don't b.s. me. I didn't fall off that turnip truck yesterday, you know?
ZARRELLA: Hardy doesn't believe his land will ever be used for restoration. But after years of fighting, Hardy agreed last month to take $4.95 million from the state. Under its eminent-domain authority, he ultimately had no choice but to sell. Now he's rich, but miserable.
(on camera): The one thing, obviously, when people see, they're going to say, people are going to say, Jesse, what do you want to be out here for?
HARDY: Oh, I love it.
ZARRELLA: You have a great place.
HARDY: For what? You tell me what do you do? What do you do, sit around and watch TV?
ZARRELLA (voice-over): Jesse James Hardy would give anything to get out of the deal. He just wants too stay here. No electricity service, never had any. A generator runs the A/C.
HARDY: There's the motor. That's a nice (INAUDIBLE).
ZARRELLA: His first phone was a cell phone.
HARDY: Technology -- technology put me in touch with the whole world.
ZARRELLA: Hardy has no idea where he's going to live, but one thing is for sure, he's not leaving one minute before he has to.
HARDY: Thirty-two years shot to hell, 32 years shot to hell, you know?
ZARRELLA: And all he's got to show for it is about $5 million.
John Zarrella, CNN, Collier County, Florida.
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O'BRIEN: John Hardy has until November 30th to leave.
HEMMER: From Philadelphia now, actually northwest of Philly, about 15 miles, small town called Conchihawken (ph) -- I hope I got that right -- there's a two-alarm fire at a church there in suburban Philly. It's the First Baptist Church, Montgomery County. Firefighters, you can see from the videotape here, a live picture, using tower trucks to pour water on that blaze. Luckily no injuries reported. Just want to bring you that picture now. Pretty smoke there northwest of Philly.
In a moment here, parrot heads find a home on satellite radio. Andy explains that. "Minding Your Business" in a moment here.
O'BRIEN: And in our "House Call" this morning, how does Hollywood's version of "CSI" compare to the real thing? Dr. Gupta finds out from a professional crime-scene investigator, up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: All this week Dr. Sanjay Gupta takes us behinds the scenes, looking at the real work or crime scene investigators. It's what you won't see on "CSI." and its two spinoffs. This morning Sanjay hits the streets to show us the real CSI Miami.
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JOSEPH SCHILLACI, MIAMI POLICE DEPT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR: When I look at his nails, I see his nails are long, how they're not broken. We look for obvious signs of trauma.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, 360 M.D.: For "CSI: Miami" there's a lot of snapshots and flashlights at murder scenes.
SCHILLACI: OK, you got it.
GUPTA: But, in the real world, a homicide detective has a variety of duties from the exciting to the mundane.
Sergeant Joe Schillaci of the Miami city homicide takes us through on a routine ride through the Overton (ph) area of Miami. In real life, CSI investigators learn the streets.
SCHILLACI: She is coming in the area to buy. Right now. Yes. Look at this. This kills me. I'm getting out on this one.
GUPTA: Suddenly, Schillaci, a father of two himself, stops, not to arrest, but to counsel a teenage heroin user. SCHILLACI: You are a very pretty young lady. I hate to see you in the mix. How long have you been using?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three years, on and off.
SCHILLACI: Listen, I handled 10, 10 overdoses, in this area in the last six months. If you don't do something, you are going to be 11.
Just that one person, if I can make a difference in that one person's life, then I achieved my ultimate goal out here.
OK, you got it, I'll be there in a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.
SCHILLACI: We got a case. It's a death investigation.
GUPTA: Next stop, an apartment. An elderly man is found dead on his couch.
SCHILLACI: When was the last time he was scene alive?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just took him some food yesterday. He didn't say anything to me that he was -- he didn't feel good.
GUPTA: In Miami, detectives don't just investigate homicides. They cover natural deaths, as well, and they make sure there's no foul play involved.
SCHILLACI: Poor guy went to sleep and...
GUPTA: A little different than on the CSI shows, where solving dramatic murders is all there is.
SCHILLACI: I need you to come to the office. Can you come to the office?
GUPTA: Back in Miami, Schillaci gets a phone call that changes his life.
SCHILLACI: I'm going to interrupt you. It's official. I've been made.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's been made! He's a lieutenant!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love it! Congratulations. Are you serious?
GUPTA: A call to his wife.
SCHILLACI: You are now Mrs. Lieutenant Joseph Schillaci.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Already?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations!
GUPTA: As the day winds down, Schillaci and his wife Evelyn toast the promotion, but remember the tough times in real life CSI, the dangerous cases, sudden calls and long waits.
Schillaci says the biggest difference between "CSI," the TV show, and reality, is real life.
SCHILLACI: It's not the same, when you are on the scene, trying to console a mother of a child that's been murdered. That's reality. That's what we, the real investigators, have to live with. There's no turning it off. There's no changing the channel if you don't like what you're seeing.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.
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O'BRIEN: Tomorrow on AMERICAN MORNING, Sanjay takes you behind the scenes of the hit drama "CSI Miami." We're going see how one real life detective turned his work into a script for the hit show. And then on Sunday, you can see the whole hour of the subject in Sanjay's primetime special. It's called "Anatomy of Murder." That's Sunday, 10:00 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN -- Bill.
HEMMER: "CNN LIVE TODAY" is coming up next. Daryn, what you working on there this morning?
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, plenty for you, Bill. Coming up at the top of the hour, we have the heartbreaking story out of Zion, Illinois that we continue to follow, the two little girl whose rode their bikes together, played together, went to school together, and then found dead together. One family member has been questioned. We'll get the latest in the investigation and how the town is reacting.
Plus, riding along in a high-speed chase. Rick Sanchez climbs in the backseat with an adrenaline rush, with a look at how officers give pursuit and remain cautious all at the same time.
And thousands of government computer files have been broken into. What do the files have? Who is the culprit? And how will this security breach put you at risk?
We'll take a look at all those stories and more coming up, 15 minutes away.
HEMMER: Hey, we'll see you then.
KAGAN: You got it.
HEMMER: All right, Daryn.
In a moment, Margaritaville is headed for satellite radio. Andy explains that in "Minding Your Business," next here on AMERICAN MORNING.
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HEMMER: Welcome back, everyone. Move over Howard Stern, make room for cheeseburgers and satellites. Dean gave us that line on the floor over there. Here's Andy Serwer, "Minding Your Business."
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" COLUMNIST: How you going to follow that? I'll try.
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SERWER: Thank you.
Let's talk about the markets, first off. Stocks selling off a little bit at this hour,down 54 on the big board. To be expected, taking a little breather after a couple days of some nice gains here. Couple of entertainment stories to talk about this morning.
First of all, Burdlesman (ph), the giant German media company, is buying Columbia House. Yes, the record company that sells CDs through the mail to you -- you know, the record clubs. Remember Columbia House? Still a vital business. 85 percent owned by Blackstone (ph), the bio company, 15 percent owned by Time Warner, the parent company of this network. $400 million deal, according to "The Wall Street Journal."
And then, this now will begin to make sense of these satellite and cheeseburger thing. Wasted away again on Sirius Satellite Radio. Jimmy Buffett is taking his act to Sirius Satellite Radio. There he is. He's not just an entertainer, you know. He's a serious businessman.
Radio Margaritaville is already an Internet radio channel and now he's going to have it on Sirius. No, it's not just a show. It's a whole channel. 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Jimmy Buffett. Parrotheads. Waste away in Margaritaville. Apparently they do play other things besides Jimmy Buffett on the radio Margaritaville. I just found that out. But it seem to be a little bit too much Jimmy Buffett.
HEMMER: Do you have an all Elvis station now? Do you have an all Beatles station out there on satellite radio?
SERWER: Well, if you've got an all Jimmy Buffett.
CAFFERTY: Jimmy Buffett is hardly in the same league as the Beatles.
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HEMMER: But he's on to something here. If you're an artist and you want your own bandwidth on the satellite, I mean, this is the way to do it.
SERWER: Well, he's got restaurants all over the place. CAFFERTY: We could "Cafferty File" channel.
SERWER: Yes.
CAFFERTY: All "Cafferty File," all the time.
HEMMER: Ding, ding, ding!
CAFFERTY: Yes. 24/7, bring it on. Yes.
O'BRIEN: I can just say "Huh!"
CAFFERTY: Actually, you know what?
SERWER: Oh, no.
CAFFERTY: It's a thought. I got 16 months.
"Question of the Day" has to do with the federal government providing a billion dollars over the next three years to pay for emergency room healthcare for illegal immigrants. Good idea or no? 1,000 e-mails today, give or take. A lot of response.
Ruth writes, "Yes, they should be helped. The bill, however, should either go to the employer or the Mexican government. That would teach the employer to get a group insurance plan and have these people covered."
Claire in Delaware writes: "Jack, the disgrace is not that the government's paying for healthcare for illegal aliens, but that we're not providing healthcare to our citizens."
And Julianne in Maryland writes: "I'm 41. Due to medical reasons, I've only worked six days since a hospital stay in February. I have no insurance, can't get help for my condition because I have no medical coverage. I'm facing $5,000 in medical bills for a five-day stay in the hospital. My savings account's down to $500. Where on earth is my handout?"
O'BRIEN: A provocative "Question of the Day," Jack.
CAFFERTY: It's an interesting topic.
O'BRIEN: Yes, I thought so.
CAFFERTY: A lot of emotion about illegal aliens and stuff these days.
O'BRIEN: That's our break. We're back in a few.
CAFFERTY: All "Cafferty File," all the time.
SERWER: 24/7, 365 days.
O'BRIEN: I would definitely tune in. Who would want to miss that? SERWER: Don't turn the dial. Stay always tuned in.
O'BRIEN: Gee, just the thought itself would, you know -- hey, whatever. We're back in a moment.
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HEMMER: Hey, we got to run. See you tomorrow?
O'BRIEN: Mmm hmm.
HEMMER: All right, Jack?
O'BRIEN: I'll be here.
CAFFERTY: Yes, sure.
O'BRIEN: Jack?
HEMMER: Here's Daryn Kagan over at the CNN Center.
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