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High Tech Security Keeps Watch Over Super Bowl; Police Use DNA Dragnets to Catch Criminals; Verizon Ordered to Rat on User

Aired January 25, 2003 - 14:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: Today on NEXT@CNN: million dollar security keeping watch over the Super Bowl stadium in San Diego. We will take you there. Plus, give you a preview of the big game.
Police are using DNA dragnets to catch bad guys. A great crime fighting tool or an invasion of privacy?

Verizon ordered to rat on a user for illegal downloading. What does it mean for the other millions of music lovers who like to share?

All that and more on NEXT.

RENAY SAN MIGUEL, HOST: Hello and welcome to NEXT. I am Renay San Miguel from CNN Center in Atlanta.

Three Iraqi scientists today refused to be interviewed by U.N. weapons inspectors. Baghdad denies White House allegations that it is intimidating the scientists.

Nic Robertson has the latest from Baghdad.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Well, three Iraqi scientists had been invited to have private interviews with the U.N. weapons inspection officials today.

However, there was a meeting at the hotel designated for those talks to take place. What we understand from Iraqi officials however now is that the three sign scientists have turned down the opportunity to have those private meetings--private interviews with the U.N. weapons inspectors.

One Iraqi scientist did actually meet with the U.N. weapons inspectors. However, he insisted in doing it in the presence of other Iraqi officials. So, absolutely no private interviews with Iraqi scientists have taken place so far.

Somewhat earlier in the day, just as the U.N. weapons inspectors were preparing to leave their headquarters, there were two incidents. The first incident, a man approached the security gates at the U.N. headquarters. He had, we're told, a metal implement in his hand. He was wrestled to the ground by U.N. and Iraqi guards. Now the U.N. tells us that the man had three knives on him. Those knives were taken away and the man was later seen being led away by Iraqi officials.

The second incident just happened 40 minutes after that. A man got into the driving seat of one U.N. vehicles. He was wrestling with Iraqi officials who were pulling him out of the vehicle. He was shouting save me, save me. After several minutes of doing this in front of the cameras that were there, he was also led away by Iraqi officials.

No word on what's happened to those two men at this time.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Baghdad.

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SAN MIGUEL: And we will have more on that story as it develops.

Meanwhile, it has been a very long night for computer security experts. Since late Friday night, a fast spreading, bandwith-clogging worm has been spreading through corporate computer systems. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg joins us now with the damage control around the world.

And Daniel, how bad is this thing going to get? Are we looking at another Code Red here?

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's a great analogy because basically it is similar to Code Red in the way it's spreading out over the Internet. It's a worm, people can think of it like a virus.

It's spreading out looking for computers to infect. This is important to point out, though, it is not necessarily looking for your home computer. It is looking for computers that are running a certain type of server software called SQL from Microsoft. If you're not running that, then you're not going to get affected. Most corporations or businesses may have this as part of their server that they've got running online and that's what it's looking for. It's looking to affect these computers.

And what's happening as a result of sending it out so quickly and propagating so fast is it's jamming up the Internet. You can think of it as a traffic jam online and it is clogging up certain Web sites. So if you're surfing the Web and you're trying to access certain sites, then you may not be able to log on.

SAN MIGUEL: Now we have to ask this, because of a story that came out in the "New York Times" last Saturday talking about may be the threat of terrorism involved with computer security, any possibility that that could be at work here?

SIEBERG: Well, it's a little too early to say at this point, Renay. I talked to a number of different security experts, and part of the problem with any worm or virus like this is it's very difficult technologically to go back and trace the origin of this. So it is really just a lot of speculation right now. There's no proof that it ties into any terrorism or anything online. But it's important to point out that the possibility is certainly there.

But you know, it could be a kid online who didn't like something somebody said, it could be a disgruntled worker who simply wanted to put this out. There's no way of knowing at this point.

SAN MIGUEL: And you know, you said earlier, the average computer user at home probably is not going to see an effect except for may be slow-loading pages on the Internet, right?

SIEBERG: That's right. That's where they're really going to see the impact here, there are certain sites they can't get to. As you pointed out, there's already impact in parts of Asia, we can tell people that, and South Korea, Finland and Japan, where certain people just weren't able to get online at all.

But there's no damaging part of this so far. It is not erasing any data. However, we'll have to wait and see over the coming days ahead if this vulnerability is exploited in another way. If there is some way of getting into these computers and causing more damage on the Internet that's where investigators will be focusing their attention. And closing up this patch, basically making sure all these companies close this hole so they can't be exploited again in the future because it has been around for a while.

SAN MIGUEL: All right. Corporate IT managers take note here. Daniel, keep us posted. Thank you so much for the report.

Well, we won't know till tomorrow whether the Super Bowl will be about offense or defense, but we already know it is all about homeland security.

CNN security correspondent Mike Brooks joins us now from San Diego to bring us up to speed on the latest. Hello, Mike.

MIKE BROOKS, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: How are you doing, Renay? Yes, you're right, everybody is ready to go and so are the police. Last night in the Gaslamp District of San Diego over 100,000 people gathered. I spoke with law enforcement officials earlier and they're surprised there are no threats. They haven't even heard any inkling of any threats of terrorism here at the games.

But yesterday we were at Qualcomm Stadium talking with the man in charge of all of security, making sure everything comes off without a hitch on Sunday, Captain Joe Bryden of the San Diego Police Department.

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CAPTAIN JOE BRYDEN, SAN DIEGO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Where we're standing right here there will be private security. We will be padding people down, checking for weapons, looking in the small bags that we're allowing people to bring in and then once that happens they'll step through this gate and walk up into this area here. Right here you see the tables set up, you see the magnitomiters in case it goes off for whatever reason they will wand people, much like at the airport. BROOKS: Right.

BRYDEN: They'll have chairs, they'll have people take off their shoes if need be. Very similar to what goes on at the airport.

BROOKS: So, Raiders fans. Sometimes they wear some crazy costumes with spikes on them. Saw one yesterday, he had a Dart Vader helmet he had spikes all over it. Are those people in costumes going to be allowed into the stadium.

BRYDEN: Well, you know, it's going to be a case-by-case basis. If the costume has metal in it, it's not coming in because as we walk through the magnitomiter it will set it off. If it can be used as a weapon of any type, a helmet or something, we're not going to let that in either.

BROOKS: Now, there's cameras both inside and outside the stadium. Fifty-two cameras?

BRYDEN: Yes.

BROOKS: What is the main purpose of a camera?

BRYDEN: During the game what it creates for us, what it's great for us it's that it allows us to be in places where we're really not. To be able to see in the tunnels and out in the parking lot and any place where we may not be looking. Those cameras are looking all the time.

We knew that we've done everything possible on the ground and we do not have control of the air space. So, we requested the federal government and more specifically, the Office of Homeland Security to close the air space for us; and they've done that because we wanted this to be the safest venue in America that day.

BROOKS: So, during game day you won't see a blimp, you won't see a fixed aircraft with banners flying around like we see do at normal football games and at other Super Bowls, right?

BRYDEN: That's correct.

BROOKS: We look around outside Qualcomm Stadium, you look at the high ground surrounding the stadium, some areas that are higher than the stadium. Is that a concern to law enforcement?

BRYDEN: Well, in any tactical situation the advantage is normally to the people at the high ground. But we think this is a safe venue. Out here it's going to be quite different than other football games people have attend; but once they get inside that stadium, it's going to be like any other Super Bowl they're going to have a great time and be safe.

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BROOKS: As Captain Bryden said, they want everybody to be safe, they will not put up with lawlessness. They will respond quickly and effectively but want fans to have a good time. For over a year they have been planning for the worst but hope for the best -- Renay.

SAN MIGUEL: Mike, I don't know what scares me more, the potential of threats or some of the fan's costumes that they'll be wearing in the stands tomorrow. Thanks a lot Mike, we appreciate it.

And we're going to tell you much more about that special surveillance camera network that they'll be using tomorrow a later in the show. So, stay with us for that.

Well, now for another type of security, something law enforcement hails as the next generation of DNA science. But critics say it is a dangerous step in the wrong direction. Will widespread DNA testing solve crimes or trounce on your privacy?

Kathleen Koch joins us now from Washington with more on that. Good afternoon, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Renay. Well, you may know this but all states now do have DNA databases that police are increasingly turning to to help them solve crimes. And that DNA generally comes from convicted felons but now states like Virginia, just south of here, are collecting and putting into their crime databases the DNA of people who have never been convicted of anything. And so some worry that is a frightening violation of their rights.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to take your DNA now.

KOCH (voice-over): It's the first in the country, mandatory DNA testing before conviction. Starting this month as seen on this instructional video, anyone simply arrested in Virginia for a violent crime or certain burglaries must be tested. Some 600 samples have poured into Virginia's forensics lab.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extract the DNA, amplify and run them on a typing gel and then do the analysis.

This is the area where larger pieces of physical evidence will be opened up and examined.

KOCH: The analysis compares the DNA of the person arrested...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 'F' and 'G' -- those two stains are positive.

KOCH: ... to any DNA that's ever been found on crime scene evidence in the state.

On the first batch tested authorities found a match on a burglary suspect.

PAUL FERRARA, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF VIRGINIA FORENSICS: We searched our database and we found his profile matches a profile, a DNA profile left at the crime scene of another commercial breaking and entering in another jurisdiction.

KOCH: But civil libertarians and the defense attorneys insist taking DNA from those still presumed innocent is wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then take that sample and use it for all purposes and all databases is going too far. It would be naive to think that this data would not find its way into inappropriate context.

KOCH: Virginia authorities insist the early DNA testing, if anything, protects the innocent.

FERRARA: We can eliminate the individual -- an innocent individual very quickly or we can identify a guilty person, particularly a serial criminal before he has an opportunity to commit other similar offenses.

KOCH: It's part of a trend as more states turn to voluntary DNA dragnets. Louisiana authorities unsuccessfully random testing more than 800 men there to find a serial killer. Prince George's County, Maryland authorities also failing to catch a killer by DNA testing 400 hospital workers after a 1998 murder. But a year later in Massachusetts police caught a nursing home rapist in a DNA dragnet there.

Some experts say the only way to make DNA databases fair is to test everyone at birth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more of the population that is included in it, the more people can be excluded from suspicion. When you have a DNA sample at a crime scene, you can exclude almost all of the population. Maybe all of it except for one person.

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KOCH: In the state of Virginia, if the person arrested is later acquitted, found not guilty or charges dropped, the law does require that their DNA be erased from the system but some worry that may not always happen. And yes, Renay, Virginia expects legal challenges to its new DNA testing law, although none have yet been filed.

SAN MIGUEL: I'm sure they do expect it. Kathleen, this all started in Great Britain. How is it being played out there? I mean, the whole crime solving versus privacy rights debate?

KOCH: Well, you know, the idea for the DNA dragnets did emerge in Great Britain.

This was back in 1987 after the rape and murder of two young girls. Police tested some 4,000 men in Leichester, England and they managed to flush out the killer. That's because he tipped them off when he got someone else to take the DNA test for him. And then more recently in northern Germany in 1998, a record 16,400 people had their DNA tested that before police were able to link a mechanic to that crime.

So, it appears that U.S. is coming a little late to this practice, perhaps because of our very strong protections in the U.S. Constitution against unreasonable search and seizure and invasion of privacy.

SAN MIGUEL: And I saw in that, you know, part of that instructional video on how to actually use the DNA testing equipment there. But you know, as far as the states that are doing this, Virginia and Louisiana, are they giving extra training to the police as to how to ask people their for DNA? To make sure that you know, the implication of a threat is not delivered there?

KOCH: That's a very good question, Renay. And as a matter of fact, police are told in Virginia to request a DNA sample of the suspect. They cannot force them to provide that sample. So that could turn out to be a little glitch in the system. It hasn't stopped them, we here up to this point, from getting a sample from someone. But they're very carefully instructed on how to conduct these tests. They use bar codes, they double check to make certain the samples are not mixed up. So, they're being very careful.

They insist they're not violating anyone's rights but obviously again, this will end up being decided in court.

SAN MIGUEL: Exactly. Kathleen Koch from Washington, thank you so much for joining us.

Coming up later on NEXT@CNN, as Tampa Bay goes head to head with Oakland we have a prediction of tomorrow's winner. A video game may hold the key to the outcome, believe it or not.

But first, if this man is elected president, would he be known as the "Spammer in Chief?" We'll talk about that next when NEXT@CNN returns. Stay with us.

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SAN MIGUEL: Welcome back.

Making technology news this week. Experts say the September 11 attack on the Pentagon could have been much more deadly if the building hadn't been constructed so solidly.

The American Society of Civil Engineers says reinforced steel and other elements built into the building decades ago saved lives. When the Boeing 747 tore into the building at more than 500 miles per hour, the plane disintegrated rapidly as it hit the columns. This according to the report, only the immediate area collapsed.

In just about an hour from now a new NASA satellite will soak up some sunshine. The SOURCE satellite, short for Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment will be launched from Kennedy Space Center this afternoon. It will carry four instruments to study the sun's influence on earth's climate. Scientists hope to learn more about which climate changes are natural and which are caused by human activity.

A San Francisco area engineer launched a new kind of submarine this week. The craft called the Deep Flight Aviator took a spin around San Francisco on Thursday. Inventor Graham Hawks says his two- seater sub is unlike any previous submersible. It flies through the water like wings thrusters like a plane, rather than using ballistics to go up and down. Hawks's hopes his invention makes underwater exploration accessible to more people.

Senator Joe Lieberman launched his presidential campaign on January 13 and then later that day his campaign sent out its first mass e-mail. News.com says this is among the first of what will be many servings of spam this election season, and he joins us now from Washington.

Declan McCullagh, thanks for being with us today.

DECLAN MCCULLAGH, NEWS.COM: My pleasure.

SAN MIGUEL: Let me start off by reading what Joe Lieberman said about spam in 2000. Quote, "Spam is a tremendous nuisance. It is not requested by the receiver. It almost never contains any information of substance or value. It is costly, destructive and an invasion of our privacy." Now he's using spam when he announces his campaign for presidency. Do you see hypocrisy here or what?

MCCULLAGH: Oh, definitely. Senator Lieberman thinks that it's OK to say spam invades privacy, and clogs servers and has all these negative effects when he's talking commercial spammers, but when he's doing it himself, oh well, that's OK. Looking out for number one definitely.

SAN MIGUEL: And is this the first -- is he the only -- we have six Democratic presidential candidates announced so far, the only one using e-mail?

MCCULLAGH: The only one using e-mail to spam. I mean, let's be clear. A lot of politicians are spamming non-partisan issue.

Bill Jones, unsuccessful Republican candidate for California, spammed and was unapologetic about it. Governor Jeb Bush spammed. This is not a partisan issue, but you can believe that as more and more politicians start using the Internet to get out the vote or at least get their message out, we're going to see more and more spam. All the laws that they crafted exempt themselves from any anti-spam regulations. We're going to have to turn blocking the technology, anti-spam blocking technology instead of laws to protect our inboxes.

SAN MIGUEL: Well, the whole idea here is that a lot of folks who will argue against the anti-spam laws -- a lot of businesses will say this is free speech, protected speech. And now you're saying it is also political speech if it's in the hands of Joe Lieberman.

MCCULLAGH: And that's a big problem, because even if Congress in some strange hypothetical future enacted a law saying that political speech was and not allowed when conducted through spam, well you know, we've still got the First Amendment in place, and so, that law could well be struck down. Commercial speech, the Supreme Court is taking a more strict look at laws trying to regulate commercial speech. I don't think that laws against spam are the right answer especially since so much of my spam is coming from overseas. Again, technology, things like Spam Assassin or just really intelligent spam filters are going to be the only way that we can protect ourselves.

SAN MIGUEL: Let's give the Lieberman campaign a chance here to respond. They didn't respond to our request to have somebody live with us. But they did send us this where they actually told this to you. "It's absolutely clear who sent this e-mail and we specifically provided recipients with an unsubscribe option. This is not spam."

And that's actually the first Joe Lieberman what he said about spam in 2000. It doesn't give the opt out--it doesn't give the opt in but it is the opt out. You have to ask, actually request to be taken off the list, right?

MCCULLAGH: That's right. So, if Lieberman's theory, which he also told me was correct, then you could have every political candidate. You've got to imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of them just in the U.S. alone flooding your inbox and saying, please, vote for me. You can't target geographically on the Internet so you're going to have dog catchers from California e-mailing someone in New York and then you have to click each one of those messages saying, please, let me opt out. That's not the good way to do things. And so even if it lets you opt out, it is still spam.

SAN MIGUEL: Declan McCullagh with News.com, thanks for joining us today.

As spam shoots to the top of our list of our cultural pet peeves, we're curious about your tales of spam. E-mail us next@cnn.com. We may use it in next Saturday's show and we promise we won't sell, swap or distribute your e-mail address.

Up next--on next inside the NFL. We'll get down and dirty with some of the toughest players in football. Virtually, of course.

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SAN MIGUEL: With the Super Bowl just around the corner, fans are trying to get as close to the game as possible. One way to do that, through video games, of course. And now our gaming guru, Daniel Sieberg joins us. See you know, I guess, carpal tunnel is the only injury that we could...

SIEBERG: Or blisters.

SAN MIGUEL: Or blisters. Right, Exactly. What do we have here?

SIEBERG: Yes, we've got a lot of games out on the market right now Renay for football fans are video game lovers as well. And we want to point out just a few of them to people.

First of all, we've got here "NFL 2K3 Madden," that of course we're going to be talking about in a second. "NFL Fever," there's "NFL Blitz." All sorts of different games that you can play them on any of the different systems we're showing you here, too.

Madden is the one we want to talk the most today from Electronic Arts. And every year Madden puts together -- John Madden people are familiar with, the famous announcer. Every year, they put together a contest, they get NFL players to come in and they play each other with Madden and try to see who wins and this year they actually had a winner. We can tell you it was Sammy Knight from New Orleans -- from the New Orleans Saints. He was the winner in this year's tournament. You know, it's an interactive way -- you can see John Madden presenting the trophy there to the winner. But it's a way you know, to get these players involve with the game.

So, from that game, now it's my turn to challenge you.

SAN MIGUEL: Oh, trash talk time.

SIEBERG: Yes, a little bit of trash talk time here. We've go Madden hooked up into a PlayStation 2. We've got it in every gamer's dream here, like this big board screen.

SAN MIGUEL: Exactly.

SIEBERG: It's the kick-off game. We've simulated the game here at Qualcomm Stadium. We've got Oakland and Tampa Bay, so we're going to try to simulate the game here.

SAN MIGUEL: Wind coming out of the northwest at 3, 4 miles per hour.

SIEBERG: Temperature about 70 degrees. You're going to be kicking it off here and you can see a lot of the realism in this game here. It's even got the Super Bowl banners in the background there. I'm going to try to return it. Every time I play this live I make some sort of mistake. Brought down.

SAN MIGUEL: All right. Now, I am on defense there. So, I have to come up to defensive play?

SIEBERG: Kicking the plays here. I am on offense.

SAN MIGUEL: So, here we go. I am going to get aggressive here because I am Oakland.

SIEBERG: We're not wearing our helmets by the way, so we won't get too physical. Running play.

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SIEBERG: So, no matter what the outcome of this game is, Renay, I'm sure you'll probably win. No matter what the outcome of this game is, Nine Eight Nine Sports makes one called "Game Day, 2003." And they actually have one player from each of the Super Bowl teams every year who compete. Now, depending on what sort of faith you want to put in this prognostication, every year for the past seven years, the winner of their virtual game has gone on to win the Super Bowl

SAN MIGUEL: Their team wins the Super Bowl.

SIEBERG: Their team wins the Super Bowl. And this time it was Tampa Bay 28-8 over Oakland we can tell that was the score in that game.

SAN MIGUEL: We shall see. And there you see a list of some of the champions in the past three years.

SIEBERG: Yes.

SAN MIGUEL: We'll see tomorrow. We'll see if Tampa Bay will indeed come comes through. Daniel Sieberg, thanks a lot for joining us.

SIEBERG: All right. Thanks, Renay.

SAN MIGUEL: Well, more on the Super Bowl later in the program, but coming up next, song swappers beware. The courts are ordering an ISP to give up one of your comrades. That and a whole lot more ahead when NEXT@CNN returns. Stay with us.

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Welcome back to NEXT@CNN, I'm Renay San Miguel. A federal judge this week ordered the Internet user of Verizon to hand over the name of one of its customers accused of piracy by music industry officials.

Joining me now are representatives of either side of the online music fight. Verizon attorney, Sarah Deutsch, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, thank you both for joining us on a Saturday.

CARY SHERMAN, PRESIDENT, RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOC. OF AMERICA: Sure.

SARAH DEUTSCH, ATTORNEY, VERIZON: Thank you.

SAN MIGUEL: Ms. Deutsch, let me start with you. The way the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is the source of this conflict is set up, in exchange for not facing any lawsuit and legal liability regarding any piracy going on over Verizon's network, the ISP has agreed to give up the names of those accused piracy. That was the way the agreement was set up back in '98 when the DMCA as made into law. What's wrong with that now?

DEUTSCH: Well, we didn't actually agree to that depiction as you're giving it. We agree to give up the name of the user where the infringement is actually -- or alleged infringement is occurring on our system or network. We have a place where we can look and if we find infringement material we can take something down.

What the recording industry asked us to do is to turn over the name of a subscriber who is allegedly engaged in activity that is not occurring on Verizon's network but is occurring on the user's hard drive. And it is our reading of the law that that situation, a subpoena would not apply and any copyright owner would be forced to go to court first to get a subpoena to reveal the user's identity.

SAN MIGUEL: But Judge Banks said in the case that was not the way he saw the reading of the law and that you know, it was more along the lines of agreeing to what had been, or complying with what would have been agreed to back in '98.

DEUTSCH: Well, Verizon disagrees with the judge's ruling and we intend to appeal the decisions. And we believe the case involves much more than the recording industry going after this one particular user. But it opens the door to any person who claims to own a copyright to simply be able to fill out a one-page form, send it to the service provider and the service provider will have no choice but to turn over that person's identity. So, we have our customer's privacy here at stake and Verizon intends to protect that.

SAN MIGUEL: Mr. Sherman, to her point, as a private citizen, I am not sure I want to see the music industry getting into the subpoena business here. I mean, that does seem to be-- you know, if you're not going to go through a judge, you know, you better have pretty good evidence if you're accusing me of pirating.

SHERMAN: Well, that's certainly true and the subpoena process makes sure there is actually good faith finding of infringement and the information has to be used solely to protect copyright infringement.

There are actually more protections in this subpoena process in the DMCA than in an ordinary subpoena and that's what the judge found. And the judge had it exactly right. The judge said that Congress saw no reason to distinguish between information that was hosted on a Verizon computer rather than an individual's computer in terms of stopping Internet piracy.

SAN MIGUEL: But why -- I mean to Verizon's point, why not go through a judge on this particular case?

I mean, the information subpoenaed is one thing but there is a due process of law already set up that you go through a judge if you're accusing someone of piracy and let them take care of the situation.

SHERMAN: Well, going through a judge means suing and actually it's a little bizarre but Verizon's position would actually have us sue their subscribers rather than be able to find out how to warn them. We don't know who the infringer is, Verizon does. We just want to get the information so we can get in touch with them and take the appropriate action. It may be just a warning or it may have to be lawsuit but at least you wouldn't have to sue subscribers just in order to find out who they are.

SAN MIGUEL: Ms. Deutsch, what about that point? Would you rather deal with this on a non-legal basis than have them come up and say we think so and so is a super-user, is downloading 600 or so many files per day rather than have to go get lawyers involved in this?

DEUTSCH: Well, the recording industry says it wants to warn users that there are many people out here. Since anyone can be a copyright owner, anyone can fill out this one page form and get someone's identity for more a nefarious purpose; whether you're a predator or a stalker or a fraudster. So, we believe the best policy is to allow users to have the opportunity to have a judge supervise this process and protect their due process rights.

SAN MIGUEL: But aren't you going to have to do something about this issue anyway? I mean, for one thing, file sharers are bandwith hogs. They take up a lot of space on the network. You know, if somebody in my neighborhood is downloading hundreds of files a music a day on a service, that's keeping me and I'm doing everything legally I'm doing everything by the book. You know, that's keeping me from accessing the fast Internet speeds I paid for.

DEUTSCH: I should make very clear that Verizon does not condone pure piracy or any type of piracy and we've been a partner with the copyright community to try to cut down on piracy. We're offering legitimate content on our Web site but we again believe the judicial process should be the right way to deal with situations where people are engaged in private communications that don't take place on the serve provider's network. People need to have a fundamental belief that when they engage in private communications that their privacy will be preserved.

SAN MIGUEL: Mr. Sherman, aren't you afraid if you go after the individual users, you're just going to anger the entire music loving community even more? They may be unhappy about the cost that they pay for CDs and may be unhappy when they buy a CD that is copyright protected, they're not able to rip music into their personal own PC or MP3 player.

And you don't tell them that it is copyright protected. This is just one more insult to injury to the consumer here.

SHERMAN: Well, the industry is facing an enormous problem right now and we've just got to deal with it. We have had double-digit sale declines over the last two years. Most of it can be attributed to Internet piracy and unlimited burning. We've got to do something about it.

We have basically people being laid off and artists being dropped from rosters, record stores being closed by the hundreds. We have got to get people to understand that this is illegal activity. That it's not just wrong, it's illegal. And the only way we can do that is if we know who is engaging in the activity so that we can communicate with them. That is the objective of this entire program, to let people know that when they engage in this activity it is not anonymous. Verizon knows, everyone knows that you can't engage in illegal activity anonymously. There's no protection for that and that's we should be able to have the information.

SAN MIGUEL: We've got to end it there. Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of American and Verizon attorney, Sarah Deutsch, thank you both for joining us, we appreciate your time.

SHERMAN: Thank you.

DEUTSCH: Thank you.

SAN MIGUEL: Coming up teachers get a ticket to ride. NASA gears up its Educators In Space program. Stay tuned.

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SAN MIGUEL: For the first time since the Challenger disaster, NASA is once again sending a teacher into space.

CNN space correspondent, Miles O'Brien, with that story.

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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN SPACE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For NASA it's an old lesson, but a new plan. Almost exactly 17 years after the first teacher in space program was shut down following the Challenger tragedy, the space agency is ready to try again. This time with a more sustained effort.

SEAN O'KEEFE, ADMINISTRATOR, NASA: What better way to convey the excitement of space exploration than to entrust the mission to teachers.

O'BRIEN: NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe rolled out the new Teacher In Space program before an audience of future space explorers at a middle school in Washington. He brought with him astronaut and educator Barbara Morgan who will be the first in a series of teachers heading to space.

BARBARA MORGAN, ASTRONAUT & EDUCATOR: I am very proud to be a teacher. I am very happy to be one of many people helping continue the mission of the Challenger crew and our teacher in space Christa McAuliffe.

O'BRIEN: Barbara Morgan was understudy of Christa McAuliffe, who would have been the first teacher in space. Morgan returned to teaching after Challenger. But never lost the dream. NASA invited her back to Houston five years ago and she is now a certified astronaut. The teachers that follow her will also become full-fledge astronauts. Students and teachers can nominate candidates online at edspace.nasa.gov.

ADENA LOSTON, EDUCATION CHIEF, NASA: This program will give us an opportunity to identify some of the most outstanding teachers in the world. And those teachers we will give them an opportunity to extend their knowledge beyond their local classrooms into our nation's classrooms where they will have an opportunity to touch the lives of literally thousands of other students and teachers.

O'BRIEN: For now, NASA is looking for about a half dozen educators, but the agency hopes to keep the program going, sending a teacher into space every year for the foreseeable future.

MORGAN: Come on up, we want you to follow us, we want you to lead us we want you to show us the way. Any one of you students right here could one day go to Mars or you could be a member of a NASA/Mars team planning, designing and planning or watching over the astronauts as they explore the Red planet. O'BRIEN: So NASA will look for a few good educators who can capture that excitement and teach a new generation that space is cool and so is the math and science you need to explore it.

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SAN MIGUEL: Since NASA announced its Educator/Astronaut Program on Tuesday, over 1,000 teachers have been nominated. As we mentioned the Challenger crew would have been the first to carry a teacher into space. And earlier this morning, Miles O'Brien talked with a widow of the commander of the space shuttle Challenger and a current NASA astronaut, and asked them their thoughts about NASA renewing the Educator in Space Program.

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O'BRIEN (on camera): We're approaching an anniversary, which is always a hard time, I know, for all the survivors of the Space Challenger crew. Does it help having this announcement this past week, seeing that dream sort of come to life, and that legacy being alive of the teacher in space?

JUNE SCOBEE RODGERS, WIDOW OF ASTRONAUT CHALLENGER COMMANDER: I think for the entire Challenger crew and their families. It fulfills a dream for all of us. It's exiting.

O'BRIEN: It is exiting. And as we look at the Challenger crew there, of course, Christa McAuliffe, who you became very close to during the training, of says, she said, I think her quote, and I'm paraphrasing, I touch the future I teach, or something like that, which is a-- it's poignant line. This effort to bring students into NASA through the educators, do you think it's different this time?

RODGERS: The teachers are trained as astronauts. So it's exciting to -- this is an opportunity to bring so much more prestige to a teacher. That they can actually be trained like the astronauts and fly aboard the space shuttle. It's a tremendous opportunity and we're excited for Barbara because of all of her patience and persistence, it's 17 years now since her early training with Christa.

O'BRIEN: She can teach a lesson of persistence. Leland, Leland -- let's talk about the differences for folks who are not as familiar. The first go around, seventeen, eighteen years ago the training period was a very short period of time. This time, the teachers who were selected, and we'll talk about the selection process in a minute, the teachers who are selected will become full-fledged credential astronauts, won't they?

LELAND MELVIN, ASTRONAUT: That's right, Miles. This program is an effort to ensure that these educators and educators now becoming astronauts are part of the NASA crew. The NASA team. And one of the things that we're doing is bringing them in, they're going to go through the same training that we do, flying in the T-38's, the robotics training, space walk training, they will be full-up astronauts just like myself. And so that differences from the original teaching -- Teacher In Space program will give us an astronaut that's full-time moving to Houston and be a full-time civil servant in the corp.

O'BRIEN: And -- and I suppose that all throughout that process of flying in those jets and going, flying in the vomit comet, or whatever you want to call it, the KC135 more technically. All of that offers educational opportunities doesn't it?

MELVIN: That's right. I mean, my parents were both educators. They inspired me to do wonderful things like take piano lessons and I played football, all these things. And they were the inspiration for me. Educators in this country will now be able to become astronauts. The students that they teach now will see them in another role. The universe is going to be their classroom.

And as they, as they develop technologies in modules while they're in the astronaut corp learning robotics training, space walking, they can take this experience and then transmit it down to their kids. Not only their kids in this classroom, but thousands of kids through distance learning and other programs where planning to do with this program.

O'BRIEN: June Scobee Rodgers, Leland Melvin, thank you very much for both being with us and telling us about an exciting program for NASA and for students all around the nation.

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SAN MIGUEL: The universe is the classroom. Good luck to the program. Coming up on NEXT@CNN, big brother will watch over fans at the Super Bowl. We'll tell you how. Don't go away.

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SAN MIGUEL: In environment news this week, a submarine is sealing the cracks in a haul of a tanker, which sank off the Spanish coast.

The Prestige went down in November carrying 19 million gallons of crude oil. Nearly half that cargo is believed to have leaked out already. Salvage experts hope to clear up all the holes on the ship by early February.

A federal judge has blocked the scientist's plan to use sonar to track gray whales as they migrate along the coast. Siding with environmentalists who said the whale's super sensitive hearing may be damaged. The U.S. Navy already under fire for using sonar that could potentially harm whales. Tomorrow on NEXT@CNN, Sharon Collins looks at whether you can march off to war without trampling the environment. NEXT@CNN 4:00 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.

And a particularly busy week at the courthouse for marine mammals, a new agreements aims to cut the death toll of Florida's cute but ugly man tees. 95 of the slow moving animals died in boat accidents last year. The deal between environmentalists and the federal government will lead to lower speed limits in Florida waterways to protect the few thousand remaining manatees. Well, gearing up for the big game this weekend means beefing up security and this year's Super Bowl will enlist some high-tech help for that. And Daniel Sieberg rejoins us more on a company that's providing some remote control. Daniel, what's that all about?

SIEBERG: That's right. Hi, Renay.

In addition to the hundreds of security personnel that will be at Qualcomm Stadium on Sunday keeping an eye on the fans and activities; there will be dozens of electronic eyes capturing the most minute details. Joining me now is the president and CEO of CVideo, Al Tumini to talk about some the technology that's going to be in place in helping the officers and the security on the ground get these feeds remotely while they're walking around. Why don't you tell me a bit about the technology, Al. Can you us Al? Can you hear me?

AL TUMINI, PRESIDENT, CVIDEO, INC.: No, I didn't hear the last part, I'm sorry.

SIEBERG: Sure, we just want to get a sense of the technology. I described how it's used by officers and security personnel on the ground in order to access all the feeds, these camera feeds that are placed in the stadium. Tell me how it works exactly.

TUMINI: Sure. Normally the security cameras will have a direct feed into the security control room that's your normal set up.

For the Super Bowl in Qualcomm stadium we added a feature because it is digitized with the technology allows transmission of live while it's being recorded. So what that enabled us to do is to be able to give a feed outside of the stadium to law enforcement agents. So, there will be law enforcement and security personnel walking around with the new e-tablet PCs that are 10 1/2-inch screens.

And they'll have full access to all of the cameras that are viewing the basically the fans in the stadiums and being able to see what is going on live, real time.

SIEBERG: These cameras can capture the most minute details, even a fan reading a program or a license plate from a thousand feet away. How do you respond to anybody who says these cameras are invading people's privacy?

TUMINI: Well, Daniel, you're at the Super Bowl, at a stadium with 70,000 people. It's an event, it's totally public. You've got people all around you. Possibly spilling things on you. What kind of privacy could you possibly expect in that environment?

SIEBERG: A lot of people will probably be watching the game to, of course. Now, a couple years ago people might remembered these facial recognition cameras that were in place in Tampa. Well, they tried to match what they were seeing on the camera to a database of criminals. Those are not being used this year. Tell me why they're not being used at CVideo this year.

TUMINI: Well, they're not being used--obviously, it wasn't our decision to be made. That was probably the Qualcomm Stadium and the San Diego Police. You know, there is some question as to--there are some privacy concerns there because now, you're not looking for incidents, you're not looking to safeguard people. You're actually looking to you know, match up people as they walk through.

So, there might be some considerations there that haven't been totally sorted out. And the technology, I don't think it's quite there. It's getting there and it's good enough for some things, but I think they determined that we weren't going to put those in effect.

SIEBERG: All right. Well, Al Tumini, the president and CEO of CVideo, thank you so much for joining us today to talk about some of the technology you'll see in place.

You know, Renay, these cameras were installed at Qualcomm for a cost of $400, 000 and they have been testing them for a little while. But you know, the bottom line is, if you feel like you're being watched, you might be.

SAN MIGUEL: I was going to say the fans watch the Super Bowl and someone is watching...

SIEBERG: ... them at the Super Bowl.

SAN MIGUEL: Thanks a lot, Daniel. Good interview.

Well, coming up more for all of you sports fans. We will play the stadium name game. Stay with us.

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SAN MIGUEL: Many companies have opted to shell out millions to hang their names on pro sport palaces. But as Bruce Burkhardt tells us, for technology businesses it is beginning to look like a jinx.

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BRUCE BURKHARDT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Qualcomm, a name that didn't exist the last time the Raiders were in the Super Bowl. You've heard it a lot this week, so the tech company is probably getting its money's worth. In this case, $900,000 a year.

A lot of companies have bought into the name game. The Miami Stadium is now named after a line of underwear.

(on camera): Three beer brands, two orange juice companies, a couple of car companies. Outdoor ballparks and arenas have cashed in on an estimated $3 billion in long term naming rights since the light bulb first appeared over someone's head about 20 years ago.

(voice-over): Which brings us back to Qualcomm and the tech industry. The wireless systems company hit the jackpot in 2000 with stock peeking at over $150 a share. Three years later, it's less than one-third of that. And that's one of the success stories.

Adelphia, the phone company, paid $30 million over 15 years for the Tennessee Titans Park name, the company is bankrupt. And Adelphia Coliseum is just the Coliseum now. The Baltimore Ravens sold their stadium name for $105 million over 20 years. But PSI Net is never more and it's plain old Raven Stadium.

But it's tough to beat the top two in the naming rights Super Bowl. Baseball's Houston Astros bailed out on the name Enron Field after a very eventful year. And this year Michael Jordan will end his career in Washington's MCI Center. You might think they name a basketball arena after him, not a subsidiary of WorldCom.

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ANNOUNCER: Today on NEXT@CNN: million dollar security keeping watch over the Super Bowl stadium in San Diego. We will take you there. Plus, give you a preview of the big game.
Police are using DNA dragnets to catch bad guys. A great crime fighting tool or an invasion of privacy?

Verizon ordered to rat on a user for illegal downloading. What does it mean for the other millions of music lovers who like to share?

All that and more on NEXT.

RENAY SAN MIGUEL, HOST: Hello and welcome to NEXT. I am Renay San Miguel from CNN Center in Atlanta.

Three Iraqi scientists today refused to be interviewed by U.N. weapons inspectors. Baghdad denies White House allegations that it is intimidating the scientists.

Nic Robertson has the latest from Baghdad.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Well, three Iraqi scientists had been invited to have private interviews with the U.N. weapons inspection officials today.

However, there was a meeting at the hotel designated for those talks to take place. What we understand from Iraqi officials however now is that the three sign scientists have turned down the opportunity to have those private meetings--private interviews with the U.N. weapons inspectors.

One Iraqi scientist did actually meet with the U.N. weapons inspectors. However, he insisted in doing it in the presence of other Iraqi officials. So, absolutely no private interviews with Iraqi scientists have taken place so far.

Somewhat earlier in the day, just as the U.N. weapons inspectors were preparing to leave their headquarters, there were two incidents. The first incident, a man approached the security gates at the U.N. headquarters. He had, we're told, a metal implement in his hand. He was wrestled to the ground by U.N. and Iraqi guards. Now the U.N. tells us that the man had three knives on him. Those knives were taken away and the man was later seen being led away by Iraqi officials.

The second incident just happened 40 minutes after that. A man got into the driving seat of one U.N. vehicles. He was wrestling with Iraqi officials who were pulling him out of the vehicle. He was shouting save me, save me. After several minutes of doing this in front of the cameras that were there, he was also led away by Iraqi officials.

No word on what's happened to those two men at this time.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Baghdad.

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SAN MIGUEL: And we will have more on that story as it develops.

Meanwhile, it has been a very long night for computer security experts. Since late Friday night, a fast spreading, bandwith-clogging worm has been spreading through corporate computer systems. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg joins us now with the damage control around the world.

And Daniel, how bad is this thing going to get? Are we looking at another Code Red here?

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's a great analogy because basically it is similar to Code Red in the way it's spreading out over the Internet. It's a worm, people can think of it like a virus.

It's spreading out looking for computers to infect. This is important to point out, though, it is not necessarily looking for your home computer. It is looking for computers that are running a certain type of server software called SQL from Microsoft. If you're not running that, then you're not going to get affected. Most corporations or businesses may have this as part of their server that they've got running online and that's what it's looking for. It's looking to affect these computers.

And what's happening as a result of sending it out so quickly and propagating so fast is it's jamming up the Internet. You can think of it as a traffic jam online and it is clogging up certain Web sites. So if you're surfing the Web and you're trying to access certain sites, then you may not be able to log on.

SAN MIGUEL: Now we have to ask this, because of a story that came out in the "New York Times" last Saturday talking about may be the threat of terrorism involved with computer security, any possibility that that could be at work here?

SIEBERG: Well, it's a little too early to say at this point, Renay. I talked to a number of different security experts, and part of the problem with any worm or virus like this is it's very difficult technologically to go back and trace the origin of this. So it is really just a lot of speculation right now. There's no proof that it ties into any terrorism or anything online. But it's important to point out that the possibility is certainly there.

But you know, it could be a kid online who didn't like something somebody said, it could be a disgruntled worker who simply wanted to put this out. There's no way of knowing at this point.

SAN MIGUEL: And you know, you said earlier, the average computer user at home probably is not going to see an effect except for may be slow-loading pages on the Internet, right?

SIEBERG: That's right. That's where they're really going to see the impact here, there are certain sites they can't get to. As you pointed out, there's already impact in parts of Asia, we can tell people that, and South Korea, Finland and Japan, where certain people just weren't able to get online at all.

But there's no damaging part of this so far. It is not erasing any data. However, we'll have to wait and see over the coming days ahead if this vulnerability is exploited in another way. If there is some way of getting into these computers and causing more damage on the Internet that's where investigators will be focusing their attention. And closing up this patch, basically making sure all these companies close this hole so they can't be exploited again in the future because it has been around for a while.

SAN MIGUEL: All right. Corporate IT managers take note here. Daniel, keep us posted. Thank you so much for the report.

Well, we won't know till tomorrow whether the Super Bowl will be about offense or defense, but we already know it is all about homeland security.

CNN security correspondent Mike Brooks joins us now from San Diego to bring us up to speed on the latest. Hello, Mike.

MIKE BROOKS, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: How are you doing, Renay? Yes, you're right, everybody is ready to go and so are the police. Last night in the Gaslamp District of San Diego over 100,000 people gathered. I spoke with law enforcement officials earlier and they're surprised there are no threats. They haven't even heard any inkling of any threats of terrorism here at the games.

But yesterday we were at Qualcomm Stadium talking with the man in charge of all of security, making sure everything comes off without a hitch on Sunday, Captain Joe Bryden of the San Diego Police Department.

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CAPTAIN JOE BRYDEN, SAN DIEGO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Where we're standing right here there will be private security. We will be padding people down, checking for weapons, looking in the small bags that we're allowing people to bring in and then once that happens they'll step through this gate and walk up into this area here. Right here you see the tables set up, you see the magnitomiters in case it goes off for whatever reason they will wand people, much like at the airport. BROOKS: Right.

BRYDEN: They'll have chairs, they'll have people take off their shoes if need be. Very similar to what goes on at the airport.

BROOKS: So, Raiders fans. Sometimes they wear some crazy costumes with spikes on them. Saw one yesterday, he had a Dart Vader helmet he had spikes all over it. Are those people in costumes going to be allowed into the stadium.

BRYDEN: Well, you know, it's going to be a case-by-case basis. If the costume has metal in it, it's not coming in because as we walk through the magnitomiter it will set it off. If it can be used as a weapon of any type, a helmet or something, we're not going to let that in either.

BROOKS: Now, there's cameras both inside and outside the stadium. Fifty-two cameras?

BRYDEN: Yes.

BROOKS: What is the main purpose of a camera?

BRYDEN: During the game what it creates for us, what it's great for us it's that it allows us to be in places where we're really not. To be able to see in the tunnels and out in the parking lot and any place where we may not be looking. Those cameras are looking all the time.

We knew that we've done everything possible on the ground and we do not have control of the air space. So, we requested the federal government and more specifically, the Office of Homeland Security to close the air space for us; and they've done that because we wanted this to be the safest venue in America that day.

BROOKS: So, during game day you won't see a blimp, you won't see a fixed aircraft with banners flying around like we see do at normal football games and at other Super Bowls, right?

BRYDEN: That's correct.

BROOKS: We look around outside Qualcomm Stadium, you look at the high ground surrounding the stadium, some areas that are higher than the stadium. Is that a concern to law enforcement?

BRYDEN: Well, in any tactical situation the advantage is normally to the people at the high ground. But we think this is a safe venue. Out here it's going to be quite different than other football games people have attend; but once they get inside that stadium, it's going to be like any other Super Bowl they're going to have a great time and be safe.

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BROOKS: As Captain Bryden said, they want everybody to be safe, they will not put up with lawlessness. They will respond quickly and effectively but want fans to have a good time. For over a year they have been planning for the worst but hope for the best -- Renay.

SAN MIGUEL: Mike, I don't know what scares me more, the potential of threats or some of the fan's costumes that they'll be wearing in the stands tomorrow. Thanks a lot Mike, we appreciate it.

And we're going to tell you much more about that special surveillance camera network that they'll be using tomorrow a later in the show. So, stay with us for that.

Well, now for another type of security, something law enforcement hails as the next generation of DNA science. But critics say it is a dangerous step in the wrong direction. Will widespread DNA testing solve crimes or trounce on your privacy?

Kathleen Koch joins us now from Washington with more on that. Good afternoon, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Renay. Well, you may know this but all states now do have DNA databases that police are increasingly turning to to help them solve crimes. And that DNA generally comes from convicted felons but now states like Virginia, just south of here, are collecting and putting into their crime databases the DNA of people who have never been convicted of anything. And so some worry that is a frightening violation of their rights.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to take your DNA now.

KOCH (voice-over): It's the first in the country, mandatory DNA testing before conviction. Starting this month as seen on this instructional video, anyone simply arrested in Virginia for a violent crime or certain burglaries must be tested. Some 600 samples have poured into Virginia's forensics lab.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extract the DNA, amplify and run them on a typing gel and then do the analysis.

This is the area where larger pieces of physical evidence will be opened up and examined.

KOCH: The analysis compares the DNA of the person arrested...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 'F' and 'G' -- those two stains are positive.

KOCH: ... to any DNA that's ever been found on crime scene evidence in the state.

On the first batch tested authorities found a match on a burglary suspect.

PAUL FERRARA, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF VIRGINIA FORENSICS: We searched our database and we found his profile matches a profile, a DNA profile left at the crime scene of another commercial breaking and entering in another jurisdiction.

KOCH: But civil libertarians and the defense attorneys insist taking DNA from those still presumed innocent is wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then take that sample and use it for all purposes and all databases is going too far. It would be naive to think that this data would not find its way into inappropriate context.

KOCH: Virginia authorities insist the early DNA testing, if anything, protects the innocent.

FERRARA: We can eliminate the individual -- an innocent individual very quickly or we can identify a guilty person, particularly a serial criminal before he has an opportunity to commit other similar offenses.

KOCH: It's part of a trend as more states turn to voluntary DNA dragnets. Louisiana authorities unsuccessfully random testing more than 800 men there to find a serial killer. Prince George's County, Maryland authorities also failing to catch a killer by DNA testing 400 hospital workers after a 1998 murder. But a year later in Massachusetts police caught a nursing home rapist in a DNA dragnet there.

Some experts say the only way to make DNA databases fair is to test everyone at birth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more of the population that is included in it, the more people can be excluded from suspicion. When you have a DNA sample at a crime scene, you can exclude almost all of the population. Maybe all of it except for one person.

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KOCH: In the state of Virginia, if the person arrested is later acquitted, found not guilty or charges dropped, the law does require that their DNA be erased from the system but some worry that may not always happen. And yes, Renay, Virginia expects legal challenges to its new DNA testing law, although none have yet been filed.

SAN MIGUEL: I'm sure they do expect it. Kathleen, this all started in Great Britain. How is it being played out there? I mean, the whole crime solving versus privacy rights debate?

KOCH: Well, you know, the idea for the DNA dragnets did emerge in Great Britain.

This was back in 1987 after the rape and murder of two young girls. Police tested some 4,000 men in Leichester, England and they managed to flush out the killer. That's because he tipped them off when he got someone else to take the DNA test for him. And then more recently in northern Germany in 1998, a record 16,400 people had their DNA tested that before police were able to link a mechanic to that crime.

So, it appears that U.S. is coming a little late to this practice, perhaps because of our very strong protections in the U.S. Constitution against unreasonable search and seizure and invasion of privacy.

SAN MIGUEL: And I saw in that, you know, part of that instructional video on how to actually use the DNA testing equipment there. But you know, as far as the states that are doing this, Virginia and Louisiana, are they giving extra training to the police as to how to ask people their for DNA? To make sure that you know, the implication of a threat is not delivered there?

KOCH: That's a very good question, Renay. And as a matter of fact, police are told in Virginia to request a DNA sample of the suspect. They cannot force them to provide that sample. So that could turn out to be a little glitch in the system. It hasn't stopped them, we here up to this point, from getting a sample from someone. But they're very carefully instructed on how to conduct these tests. They use bar codes, they double check to make certain the samples are not mixed up. So, they're being very careful.

They insist they're not violating anyone's rights but obviously again, this will end up being decided in court.

SAN MIGUEL: Exactly. Kathleen Koch from Washington, thank you so much for joining us.

Coming up later on NEXT@CNN, as Tampa Bay goes head to head with Oakland we have a prediction of tomorrow's winner. A video game may hold the key to the outcome, believe it or not.

But first, if this man is elected president, would he be known as the "Spammer in Chief?" We'll talk about that next when NEXT@CNN returns. Stay with us.

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SAN MIGUEL: Welcome back.

Making technology news this week. Experts say the September 11 attack on the Pentagon could have been much more deadly if the building hadn't been constructed so solidly.

The American Society of Civil Engineers says reinforced steel and other elements built into the building decades ago saved lives. When the Boeing 747 tore into the building at more than 500 miles per hour, the plane disintegrated rapidly as it hit the columns. This according to the report, only the immediate area collapsed.

In just about an hour from now a new NASA satellite will soak up some sunshine. The SOURCE satellite, short for Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment will be launched from Kennedy Space Center this afternoon. It will carry four instruments to study the sun's influence on earth's climate. Scientists hope to learn more about which climate changes are natural and which are caused by human activity.

A San Francisco area engineer launched a new kind of submarine this week. The craft called the Deep Flight Aviator took a spin around San Francisco on Thursday. Inventor Graham Hawks says his two- seater sub is unlike any previous submersible. It flies through the water like wings thrusters like a plane, rather than using ballistics to go up and down. Hawks's hopes his invention makes underwater exploration accessible to more people.

Senator Joe Lieberman launched his presidential campaign on January 13 and then later that day his campaign sent out its first mass e-mail. News.com says this is among the first of what will be many servings of spam this election season, and he joins us now from Washington.

Declan McCullagh, thanks for being with us today.

DECLAN MCCULLAGH, NEWS.COM: My pleasure.

SAN MIGUEL: Let me start off by reading what Joe Lieberman said about spam in 2000. Quote, "Spam is a tremendous nuisance. It is not requested by the receiver. It almost never contains any information of substance or value. It is costly, destructive and an invasion of our privacy." Now he's using spam when he announces his campaign for presidency. Do you see hypocrisy here or what?

MCCULLAGH: Oh, definitely. Senator Lieberman thinks that it's OK to say spam invades privacy, and clogs servers and has all these negative effects when he's talking commercial spammers, but when he's doing it himself, oh well, that's OK. Looking out for number one definitely.

SAN MIGUEL: And is this the first -- is he the only -- we have six Democratic presidential candidates announced so far, the only one using e-mail?

MCCULLAGH: The only one using e-mail to spam. I mean, let's be clear. A lot of politicians are spamming non-partisan issue.

Bill Jones, unsuccessful Republican candidate for California, spammed and was unapologetic about it. Governor Jeb Bush spammed. This is not a partisan issue, but you can believe that as more and more politicians start using the Internet to get out the vote or at least get their message out, we're going to see more and more spam. All the laws that they crafted exempt themselves from any anti-spam regulations. We're going to have to turn blocking the technology, anti-spam blocking technology instead of laws to protect our inboxes.

SAN MIGUEL: Well, the whole idea here is that a lot of folks who will argue against the anti-spam laws -- a lot of businesses will say this is free speech, protected speech. And now you're saying it is also political speech if it's in the hands of Joe Lieberman.

MCCULLAGH: And that's a big problem, because even if Congress in some strange hypothetical future enacted a law saying that political speech was and not allowed when conducted through spam, well you know, we've still got the First Amendment in place, and so, that law could well be struck down. Commercial speech, the Supreme Court is taking a more strict look at laws trying to regulate commercial speech. I don't think that laws against spam are the right answer especially since so much of my spam is coming from overseas. Again, technology, things like Spam Assassin or just really intelligent spam filters are going to be the only way that we can protect ourselves.

SAN MIGUEL: Let's give the Lieberman campaign a chance here to respond. They didn't respond to our request to have somebody live with us. But they did send us this where they actually told this to you. "It's absolutely clear who sent this e-mail and we specifically provided recipients with an unsubscribe option. This is not spam."

And that's actually the first Joe Lieberman what he said about spam in 2000. It doesn't give the opt out--it doesn't give the opt in but it is the opt out. You have to ask, actually request to be taken off the list, right?

MCCULLAGH: That's right. So, if Lieberman's theory, which he also told me was correct, then you could have every political candidate. You've got to imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of them just in the U.S. alone flooding your inbox and saying, please, vote for me. You can't target geographically on the Internet so you're going to have dog catchers from California e-mailing someone in New York and then you have to click each one of those messages saying, please, let me opt out. That's not the good way to do things. And so even if it lets you opt out, it is still spam.

SAN MIGUEL: Declan McCullagh with News.com, thanks for joining us today.

As spam shoots to the top of our list of our cultural pet peeves, we're curious about your tales of spam. E-mail us next@cnn.com. We may use it in next Saturday's show and we promise we won't sell, swap or distribute your e-mail address.

Up next--on next inside the NFL. We'll get down and dirty with some of the toughest players in football. Virtually, of course.

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SAN MIGUEL: With the Super Bowl just around the corner, fans are trying to get as close to the game as possible. One way to do that, through video games, of course. And now our gaming guru, Daniel Sieberg joins us. See you know, I guess, carpal tunnel is the only injury that we could...

SIEBERG: Or blisters.

SAN MIGUEL: Or blisters. Right, Exactly. What do we have here?

SIEBERG: Yes, we've got a lot of games out on the market right now Renay for football fans are video game lovers as well. And we want to point out just a few of them to people.

First of all, we've got here "NFL 2K3 Madden," that of course we're going to be talking about in a second. "NFL Fever," there's "NFL Blitz." All sorts of different games that you can play them on any of the different systems we're showing you here, too.

Madden is the one we want to talk the most today from Electronic Arts. And every year Madden puts together -- John Madden people are familiar with, the famous announcer. Every year, they put together a contest, they get NFL players to come in and they play each other with Madden and try to see who wins and this year they actually had a winner. We can tell you it was Sammy Knight from New Orleans -- from the New Orleans Saints. He was the winner in this year's tournament. You know, it's an interactive way -- you can see John Madden presenting the trophy there to the winner. But it's a way you know, to get these players involve with the game.

So, from that game, now it's my turn to challenge you.

SAN MIGUEL: Oh, trash talk time.

SIEBERG: Yes, a little bit of trash talk time here. We've go Madden hooked up into a PlayStation 2. We've got it in every gamer's dream here, like this big board screen.

SAN MIGUEL: Exactly.

SIEBERG: It's the kick-off game. We've simulated the game here at Qualcomm Stadium. We've got Oakland and Tampa Bay, so we're going to try to simulate the game here.

SAN MIGUEL: Wind coming out of the northwest at 3, 4 miles per hour.

SIEBERG: Temperature about 70 degrees. You're going to be kicking it off here and you can see a lot of the realism in this game here. It's even got the Super Bowl banners in the background there. I'm going to try to return it. Every time I play this live I make some sort of mistake. Brought down.

SAN MIGUEL: All right. Now, I am on defense there. So, I have to come up to defensive play?

SIEBERG: Kicking the plays here. I am on offense.

SAN MIGUEL: So, here we go. I am going to get aggressive here because I am Oakland.

SIEBERG: We're not wearing our helmets by the way, so we won't get too physical. Running play.

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SIEBERG: So, no matter what the outcome of this game is, Renay, I'm sure you'll probably win. No matter what the outcome of this game is, Nine Eight Nine Sports makes one called "Game Day, 2003." And they actually have one player from each of the Super Bowl teams every year who compete. Now, depending on what sort of faith you want to put in this prognostication, every year for the past seven years, the winner of their virtual game has gone on to win the Super Bowl

SAN MIGUEL: Their team wins the Super Bowl.

SIEBERG: Their team wins the Super Bowl. And this time it was Tampa Bay 28-8 over Oakland we can tell that was the score in that game.

SAN MIGUEL: We shall see. And there you see a list of some of the champions in the past three years.

SIEBERG: Yes.

SAN MIGUEL: We'll see tomorrow. We'll see if Tampa Bay will indeed come comes through. Daniel Sieberg, thanks a lot for joining us.

SIEBERG: All right. Thanks, Renay.

SAN MIGUEL: Well, more on the Super Bowl later in the program, but coming up next, song swappers beware. The courts are ordering an ISP to give up one of your comrades. That and a whole lot more ahead when NEXT@CNN returns. Stay with us.

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Welcome back to NEXT@CNN, I'm Renay San Miguel. A federal judge this week ordered the Internet user of Verizon to hand over the name of one of its customers accused of piracy by music industry officials.

Joining me now are representatives of either side of the online music fight. Verizon attorney, Sarah Deutsch, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, thank you both for joining us on a Saturday.

CARY SHERMAN, PRESIDENT, RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOC. OF AMERICA: Sure.

SARAH DEUTSCH, ATTORNEY, VERIZON: Thank you.

SAN MIGUEL: Ms. Deutsch, let me start with you. The way the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is the source of this conflict is set up, in exchange for not facing any lawsuit and legal liability regarding any piracy going on over Verizon's network, the ISP has agreed to give up the names of those accused piracy. That was the way the agreement was set up back in '98 when the DMCA as made into law. What's wrong with that now?

DEUTSCH: Well, we didn't actually agree to that depiction as you're giving it. We agree to give up the name of the user where the infringement is actually -- or alleged infringement is occurring on our system or network. We have a place where we can look and if we find infringement material we can take something down.

What the recording industry asked us to do is to turn over the name of a subscriber who is allegedly engaged in activity that is not occurring on Verizon's network but is occurring on the user's hard drive. And it is our reading of the law that that situation, a subpoena would not apply and any copyright owner would be forced to go to court first to get a subpoena to reveal the user's identity.

SAN MIGUEL: But Judge Banks said in the case that was not the way he saw the reading of the law and that you know, it was more along the lines of agreeing to what had been, or complying with what would have been agreed to back in '98.

DEUTSCH: Well, Verizon disagrees with the judge's ruling and we intend to appeal the decisions. And we believe the case involves much more than the recording industry going after this one particular user. But it opens the door to any person who claims to own a copyright to simply be able to fill out a one-page form, send it to the service provider and the service provider will have no choice but to turn over that person's identity. So, we have our customer's privacy here at stake and Verizon intends to protect that.

SAN MIGUEL: Mr. Sherman, to her point, as a private citizen, I am not sure I want to see the music industry getting into the subpoena business here. I mean, that does seem to be-- you know, if you're not going to go through a judge, you know, you better have pretty good evidence if you're accusing me of pirating.

SHERMAN: Well, that's certainly true and the subpoena process makes sure there is actually good faith finding of infringement and the information has to be used solely to protect copyright infringement.

There are actually more protections in this subpoena process in the DMCA than in an ordinary subpoena and that's what the judge found. And the judge had it exactly right. The judge said that Congress saw no reason to distinguish between information that was hosted on a Verizon computer rather than an individual's computer in terms of stopping Internet piracy.

SAN MIGUEL: But why -- I mean to Verizon's point, why not go through a judge on this particular case?

I mean, the information subpoenaed is one thing but there is a due process of law already set up that you go through a judge if you're accusing someone of piracy and let them take care of the situation.

SHERMAN: Well, going through a judge means suing and actually it's a little bizarre but Verizon's position would actually have us sue their subscribers rather than be able to find out how to warn them. We don't know who the infringer is, Verizon does. We just want to get the information so we can get in touch with them and take the appropriate action. It may be just a warning or it may have to be lawsuit but at least you wouldn't have to sue subscribers just in order to find out who they are.

SAN MIGUEL: Ms. Deutsch, what about that point? Would you rather deal with this on a non-legal basis than have them come up and say we think so and so is a super-user, is downloading 600 or so many files per day rather than have to go get lawyers involved in this?

DEUTSCH: Well, the recording industry says it wants to warn users that there are many people out here. Since anyone can be a copyright owner, anyone can fill out this one page form and get someone's identity for more a nefarious purpose; whether you're a predator or a stalker or a fraudster. So, we believe the best policy is to allow users to have the opportunity to have a judge supervise this process and protect their due process rights.

SAN MIGUEL: But aren't you going to have to do something about this issue anyway? I mean, for one thing, file sharers are bandwith hogs. They take up a lot of space on the network. You know, if somebody in my neighborhood is downloading hundreds of files a music a day on a service, that's keeping me and I'm doing everything legally I'm doing everything by the book. You know, that's keeping me from accessing the fast Internet speeds I paid for.

DEUTSCH: I should make very clear that Verizon does not condone pure piracy or any type of piracy and we've been a partner with the copyright community to try to cut down on piracy. We're offering legitimate content on our Web site but we again believe the judicial process should be the right way to deal with situations where people are engaged in private communications that don't take place on the serve provider's network. People need to have a fundamental belief that when they engage in private communications that their privacy will be preserved.

SAN MIGUEL: Mr. Sherman, aren't you afraid if you go after the individual users, you're just going to anger the entire music loving community even more? They may be unhappy about the cost that they pay for CDs and may be unhappy when they buy a CD that is copyright protected, they're not able to rip music into their personal own PC or MP3 player.

And you don't tell them that it is copyright protected. This is just one more insult to injury to the consumer here.

SHERMAN: Well, the industry is facing an enormous problem right now and we've just got to deal with it. We have had double-digit sale declines over the last two years. Most of it can be attributed to Internet piracy and unlimited burning. We've got to do something about it.

We have basically people being laid off and artists being dropped from rosters, record stores being closed by the hundreds. We have got to get people to understand that this is illegal activity. That it's not just wrong, it's illegal. And the only way we can do that is if we know who is engaging in the activity so that we can communicate with them. That is the objective of this entire program, to let people know that when they engage in this activity it is not anonymous. Verizon knows, everyone knows that you can't engage in illegal activity anonymously. There's no protection for that and that's we should be able to have the information.

SAN MIGUEL: We've got to end it there. Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of American and Verizon attorney, Sarah Deutsch, thank you both for joining us, we appreciate your time.

SHERMAN: Thank you.

DEUTSCH: Thank you.

SAN MIGUEL: Coming up teachers get a ticket to ride. NASA gears up its Educators In Space program. Stay tuned.

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SAN MIGUEL: For the first time since the Challenger disaster, NASA is once again sending a teacher into space.

CNN space correspondent, Miles O'Brien, with that story.

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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN SPACE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For NASA it's an old lesson, but a new plan. Almost exactly 17 years after the first teacher in space program was shut down following the Challenger tragedy, the space agency is ready to try again. This time with a more sustained effort.

SEAN O'KEEFE, ADMINISTRATOR, NASA: What better way to convey the excitement of space exploration than to entrust the mission to teachers.

O'BRIEN: NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe rolled out the new Teacher In Space program before an audience of future space explorers at a middle school in Washington. He brought with him astronaut and educator Barbara Morgan who will be the first in a series of teachers heading to space.

BARBARA MORGAN, ASTRONAUT & EDUCATOR: I am very proud to be a teacher. I am very happy to be one of many people helping continue the mission of the Challenger crew and our teacher in space Christa McAuliffe.

O'BRIEN: Barbara Morgan was understudy of Christa McAuliffe, who would have been the first teacher in space. Morgan returned to teaching after Challenger. But never lost the dream. NASA invited her back to Houston five years ago and she is now a certified astronaut. The teachers that follow her will also become full-fledge astronauts. Students and teachers can nominate candidates online at edspace.nasa.gov.

ADENA LOSTON, EDUCATION CHIEF, NASA: This program will give us an opportunity to identify some of the most outstanding teachers in the world. And those teachers we will give them an opportunity to extend their knowledge beyond their local classrooms into our nation's classrooms where they will have an opportunity to touch the lives of literally thousands of other students and teachers.

O'BRIEN: For now, NASA is looking for about a half dozen educators, but the agency hopes to keep the program going, sending a teacher into space every year for the foreseeable future.

MORGAN: Come on up, we want you to follow us, we want you to lead us we want you to show us the way. Any one of you students right here could one day go to Mars or you could be a member of a NASA/Mars team planning, designing and planning or watching over the astronauts as they explore the Red planet. O'BRIEN: So NASA will look for a few good educators who can capture that excitement and teach a new generation that space is cool and so is the math and science you need to explore it.

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SAN MIGUEL: Since NASA announced its Educator/Astronaut Program on Tuesday, over 1,000 teachers have been nominated. As we mentioned the Challenger crew would have been the first to carry a teacher into space. And earlier this morning, Miles O'Brien talked with a widow of the commander of the space shuttle Challenger and a current NASA astronaut, and asked them their thoughts about NASA renewing the Educator in Space Program.

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O'BRIEN (on camera): We're approaching an anniversary, which is always a hard time, I know, for all the survivors of the Space Challenger crew. Does it help having this announcement this past week, seeing that dream sort of come to life, and that legacy being alive of the teacher in space?

JUNE SCOBEE RODGERS, WIDOW OF ASTRONAUT CHALLENGER COMMANDER: I think for the entire Challenger crew and their families. It fulfills a dream for all of us. It's exiting.

O'BRIEN: It is exiting. And as we look at the Challenger crew there, of course, Christa McAuliffe, who you became very close to during the training, of says, she said, I think her quote, and I'm paraphrasing, I touch the future I teach, or something like that, which is a-- it's poignant line. This effort to bring students into NASA through the educators, do you think it's different this time?

RODGERS: The teachers are trained as astronauts. So it's exciting to -- this is an opportunity to bring so much more prestige to a teacher. That they can actually be trained like the astronauts and fly aboard the space shuttle. It's a tremendous opportunity and we're excited for Barbara because of all of her patience and persistence, it's 17 years now since her early training with Christa.

O'BRIEN: She can teach a lesson of persistence. Leland, Leland -- let's talk about the differences for folks who are not as familiar. The first go around, seventeen, eighteen years ago the training period was a very short period of time. This time, the teachers who were selected, and we'll talk about the selection process in a minute, the teachers who are selected will become full-fledged credential astronauts, won't they?

LELAND MELVIN, ASTRONAUT: That's right, Miles. This program is an effort to ensure that these educators and educators now becoming astronauts are part of the NASA crew. The NASA team. And one of the things that we're doing is bringing them in, they're going to go through the same training that we do, flying in the T-38's, the robotics training, space walk training, they will be full-up astronauts just like myself. And so that differences from the original teaching -- Teacher In Space program will give us an astronaut that's full-time moving to Houston and be a full-time civil servant in the corp.

O'BRIEN: And -- and I suppose that all throughout that process of flying in those jets and going, flying in the vomit comet, or whatever you want to call it, the KC135 more technically. All of that offers educational opportunities doesn't it?

MELVIN: That's right. I mean, my parents were both educators. They inspired me to do wonderful things like take piano lessons and I played football, all these things. And they were the inspiration for me. Educators in this country will now be able to become astronauts. The students that they teach now will see them in another role. The universe is going to be their classroom.

And as they, as they develop technologies in modules while they're in the astronaut corp learning robotics training, space walking, they can take this experience and then transmit it down to their kids. Not only their kids in this classroom, but thousands of kids through distance learning and other programs where planning to do with this program.

O'BRIEN: June Scobee Rodgers, Leland Melvin, thank you very much for both being with us and telling us about an exciting program for NASA and for students all around the nation.

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SAN MIGUEL: The universe is the classroom. Good luck to the program. Coming up on NEXT@CNN, big brother will watch over fans at the Super Bowl. We'll tell you how. Don't go away.

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SAN MIGUEL: In environment news this week, a submarine is sealing the cracks in a haul of a tanker, which sank off the Spanish coast.

The Prestige went down in November carrying 19 million gallons of crude oil. Nearly half that cargo is believed to have leaked out already. Salvage experts hope to clear up all the holes on the ship by early February.

A federal judge has blocked the scientist's plan to use sonar to track gray whales as they migrate along the coast. Siding with environmentalists who said the whale's super sensitive hearing may be damaged. The U.S. Navy already under fire for using sonar that could potentially harm whales. Tomorrow on NEXT@CNN, Sharon Collins looks at whether you can march off to war without trampling the environment. NEXT@CNN 4:00 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.

And a particularly busy week at the courthouse for marine mammals, a new agreements aims to cut the death toll of Florida's cute but ugly man tees. 95 of the slow moving animals died in boat accidents last year. The deal between environmentalists and the federal government will lead to lower speed limits in Florida waterways to protect the few thousand remaining manatees. Well, gearing up for the big game this weekend means beefing up security and this year's Super Bowl will enlist some high-tech help for that. And Daniel Sieberg rejoins us more on a company that's providing some remote control. Daniel, what's that all about?

SIEBERG: That's right. Hi, Renay.

In addition to the hundreds of security personnel that will be at Qualcomm Stadium on Sunday keeping an eye on the fans and activities; there will be dozens of electronic eyes capturing the most minute details. Joining me now is the president and CEO of CVideo, Al Tumini to talk about some the technology that's going to be in place in helping the officers and the security on the ground get these feeds remotely while they're walking around. Why don't you tell me a bit about the technology, Al. Can you us Al? Can you hear me?

AL TUMINI, PRESIDENT, CVIDEO, INC.: No, I didn't hear the last part, I'm sorry.

SIEBERG: Sure, we just want to get a sense of the technology. I described how it's used by officers and security personnel on the ground in order to access all the feeds, these camera feeds that are placed in the stadium. Tell me how it works exactly.

TUMINI: Sure. Normally the security cameras will have a direct feed into the security control room that's your normal set up.

For the Super Bowl in Qualcomm stadium we added a feature because it is digitized with the technology allows transmission of live while it's being recorded. So what that enabled us to do is to be able to give a feed outside of the stadium to law enforcement agents. So, there will be law enforcement and security personnel walking around with the new e-tablet PCs that are 10 1/2-inch screens.

And they'll have full access to all of the cameras that are viewing the basically the fans in the stadiums and being able to see what is going on live, real time.

SIEBERG: These cameras can capture the most minute details, even a fan reading a program or a license plate from a thousand feet away. How do you respond to anybody who says these cameras are invading people's privacy?

TUMINI: Well, Daniel, you're at the Super Bowl, at a stadium with 70,000 people. It's an event, it's totally public. You've got people all around you. Possibly spilling things on you. What kind of privacy could you possibly expect in that environment?

SIEBERG: A lot of people will probably be watching the game to, of course. Now, a couple years ago people might remembered these facial recognition cameras that were in place in Tampa. Well, they tried to match what they were seeing on the camera to a database of criminals. Those are not being used this year. Tell me why they're not being used at CVideo this year.

TUMINI: Well, they're not being used--obviously, it wasn't our decision to be made. That was probably the Qualcomm Stadium and the San Diego Police. You know, there is some question as to--there are some privacy concerns there because now, you're not looking for incidents, you're not looking to safeguard people. You're actually looking to you know, match up people as they walk through.

So, there might be some considerations there that haven't been totally sorted out. And the technology, I don't think it's quite there. It's getting there and it's good enough for some things, but I think they determined that we weren't going to put those in effect.

SIEBERG: All right. Well, Al Tumini, the president and CEO of CVideo, thank you so much for joining us today to talk about some of the technology you'll see in place.

You know, Renay, these cameras were installed at Qualcomm for a cost of $400, 000 and they have been testing them for a little while. But you know, the bottom line is, if you feel like you're being watched, you might be.

SAN MIGUEL: I was going to say the fans watch the Super Bowl and someone is watching...

SIEBERG: ... them at the Super Bowl.

SAN MIGUEL: Thanks a lot, Daniel. Good interview.

Well, coming up more for all of you sports fans. We will play the stadium name game. Stay with us.

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SAN MIGUEL: Many companies have opted to shell out millions to hang their names on pro sport palaces. But as Bruce Burkhardt tells us, for technology businesses it is beginning to look like a jinx.

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BRUCE BURKHARDT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Qualcomm, a name that didn't exist the last time the Raiders were in the Super Bowl. You've heard it a lot this week, so the tech company is probably getting its money's worth. In this case, $900,000 a year.

A lot of companies have bought into the name game. The Miami Stadium is now named after a line of underwear.

(on camera): Three beer brands, two orange juice companies, a couple of car companies. Outdoor ballparks and arenas have cashed in on an estimated $3 billion in long term naming rights since the light bulb first appeared over someone's head about 20 years ago.

(voice-over): Which brings us back to Qualcomm and the tech industry. The wireless systems company hit the jackpot in 2000 with stock peeking at over $150 a share. Three years later, it's less than one-third of that. And that's one of the success stories.

Adelphia, the phone company, paid $30 million over 15 years for the Tennessee Titans Park name, the company is bankrupt. And Adelphia Coliseum is just the Coliseum now. The Baltimore Ravens sold their stadium name for $105 million over 20 years. But PSI Net is never more and it's plain old Raven Stadium.

But it's tough to beat the top two in the naming rights Super Bowl. Baseball's Houston Astros bailed out on the name Enron Field after a very eventful year. And this year Michael Jordan will end his career in Washington's MCI Center. You might think they name a basketball arena after him, not a subsidiary of WorldCom.

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SAN MIGUEL: We're still working on the NEXT@CNN stadium. That's all the time we have today. But don't despair, every weekend you get a double dose of NEXT live.

Sharon Collins will be your host tomorrow and among her stories, white crosses, bad blood and a drug company accused in a medical tragedy. Hemophiliacs who caught AIDS from blood products are about to get their day in court.

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