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Suicide Bombing Near U.S. Embassy In Kabul; Obama Tackling ISIS Threat; Is Alleged Serial Killer A Homegrown Terrorist?; War Within NFL

Aired September 16, 2014 - 06:00   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news. At least three troops killed in an attack outside a U.S. base in Kabul. In Iraq the U.S. goes on the offensive for the first time against ISIS, hitting them outside Baghdad.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Also breaking, President Obama set to announce a huge surge in resources to battle Ebola. Up the 3,000 Americans now heading into the hot zone in Africa. Can this disease be stopped?

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Back on the field. Adrian Peterson cleared to play on Sunday amid a new claim he abused another child. At least one sponsor has pulled their money. And the deadline just hours away for Ray Rice to appeal his suspension. We have all the latest on the NFL.

CUOMO: Your NEW DAY starts right now.

ANNOUNCE: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.

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CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, September 16th, 6:00 in the east. We begin with breaking news on four big fronts. First, the war against ISIS has definitely begun.

The U.S. going on the offensive in Iraq, launching air strikes against the extremists 20 miles from Baghdad. Then news of a very different war against Ebola. Fears of an outbreak in the U.S. has the president set to announce a containment plan that will send Americans to West Africa.

BOLDUAN: And we're also learning more this morning about a U.S. citizen alleged to be a serial killer out to avenge the deaths of Muslims in the Middle East by killing Americans. So why isn't the United States so far labelling him a terrorist?

All of this while the Taliban is now taking credit for a car bomb overnight near the entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Kabul. We're tapping into the global resources of CNN to bring you the very latest on all of this breaking news this morning. Let's begin with Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. Barbara, now we had some weeks of calm in Afghanistan. We thought the turmoil there was political. Now we see violence, a deadly blast overnight in the heart of the capital. What do we know?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris. It seems to never end. The NATO alliance is saying that three members came under, three military members of the alliance came under attack and were killed in a suicide bomb attack in Kabul.

Witnesses say it happened on the Kabul airport road. Pictures show smoke filling the sky, the aftermath of the attack, as is NATO practice at this point. They are not identifying those who were killed or their nationalities.

But it is the latest attack in the capital where they are struggling still in that government to select a new leader for that country -- Chris.

CUOMO: I know we keep saying it, Barbara, about situations being one to watch, but Afghanistan could very easily go the wrong way very quickly so we will keep watching that. Now take us through the news here about what seems to be the war against ISIS in earnest, just 20 or so kilometers from Baghdad. What do we know about these bombings?

STARR: Just southwest of Baghdad, a very different type of attack than what we've been seeing, U.S. airplanes struck an ISIS target when Iraqi forces said they were coming under attack, the ISIS militants were firing on them.

They called for help. U.S. airstrikes rolled in. This is a very different type of attack, Chris. This is U.S. air power coming to the defense of Iraqi forces, calling it mission creep, calling it mission expansion, call it the start of the war, call it whatever you want.

But a very different mission for U.S. troops. Up until now, they have only undertaken airstrikes to protect U.S. forces, U.S. personnel or to conduct those humanitarian missions safely.

Now we see the next step being taken, U.S. airstrikes to protect Iraqi forces in the field as they fight against ISIS militants. This will be the first step down a very long road in Iraq -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Barbara, thank you very much. We'll check in with you again to find out any updates on what happened with those NATO casualties and what's going on with the bombing. Thank you very much -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: And as Barbara is laying out, President Obama is going to be tackling two big national security issues today, first, of course, ISIS. This morning, he's going to be meeting with his newly announced presidential envoy for ISIS, Retired General John Allen.

As top defense officials are also set to face some very tough questions from the Senate Armed Services Committee on the administration's policy toward the militant group. Senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta is joining us from the White House with much more on these latest developments. What are we expecting today, Jim?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kate, later this morning, President Obama does meet with the man he's tapped to coordinate that global international coalition against ISIS, Retired General John Allen.

As for that airstrike operation south west of Baghdad that Barbara just mentioned, senior administration officials say expect more of that to come. But U.S. and coalition forces officials say won't be signalling who or what will be targeted next and when on the administration efforts to build that coalition.

One officials said, several countries could issue press releases today announcing what they are prepared to do, but the White House is indicating that instead the public will see something of a roll-out of the coalition and its various roles over the coming weeks especially around the president's trip to the U.N. next week.

Now as for those airstrikes that are expected to come on ISIS in Syria, a senior administration official said that Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, would be making a big mistake if he intervened, any attacks from Assad's forces on U.S. war planes would prompt an American military response according to senior administration officials who are briefing reporters on this yesterday -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: And the president himself is going to be pivoting to another huge issue that we actually -- it doesn't see that a lot of people are talking about at the very moment. He is going to be making some big announcements on the U.S.'s involvement on the fight against Ebola outbreak. What are you hearing there?

ACOSTA: That's right. The president has been under pressure even from some Democrats to step up these efforts against Ebola in Africa and he's going to be doing that. He's heading to the CDC later today. Let's roll through some of what some of the administration is talking about.

What they are proposing for this new stepped up Ebola response. They're going to plan and construct treatment centers that could house up to 1700 beds for patients and get this, Kate, this is significant, an American military personnel surge will be going into the region.

That could increase up to 3,000 American military personnel, all of whom will be led by a U.S. general who will be leading this effort from Liberia's capital of Monrovia.

And so just last week, Delaware Senator Chris Kohns, a Democrat, was saying the president was not doing enough to go after ISIS this morning. He said he was impressed with this display of American military power that will be going into West Africa to deal with this Ebola crisis.

And the president will be getting an update from people at the CDC will be leading this effort later on today before he heads to Centcom later this evening, he'll have a meeting with senior military officials as Centcom on the battle against ISIS. So two big crises on the president's plate over the next 48 hours -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely, Jim. And up 3,000 U.S. military personnel deployed to take on this fight in West Africa that shows just how serious this threat is, at this point and how serious the disease is spreading in that country in West Africa. All right, Jim, thank you so much. Jim Acosta at the White House for us -- Chris.

CUOMO: For many, the real fear at home is still about terrorism specifically home-grown attacks. We may have just had one, an alleged serial killer driven by hate for his own country. We're learning more about Ali Mohammed Brown, a U.S. citizen, who said he was out to avenge the deaths of Muslims in the Middle East, when he allegedly killed four of his fellow citizens.

Prosecutors have not called him a terrorist yet, but the question is, why not? Let's get to Pamela Brown. She is following developments for us in Washington, what you do you understand about this, Pamela?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, authorities are still investigating this case. But we've been looking at court documents we obtained. The defendants in the case made chilling statements to authorities saying that he was on a mission to exact vengeance against the U.S. by killing four Americans in two states, of course, raising concerns of terrorism on U.S. soil.

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BROWN (voice-over): Police say the man seen here in handcuffs is 29- year-old Ali Mohammed Brown, the prime suspect in a killing spree stretching from New Jersey to Washington State. One allegedly motivated by Brown's hatred of U.S. foreign policy.

Court documents obtained by CNN say Brown told investigators he strictly follows the Muslim faith and had become angry with the quote "evil" the government was allowing to take place in the U.S.

Brown allegedly telling police my mission is vengeance for the lives, millions of lives are lost every day, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, all of these places where innocent lives are being taken every single day. So a life for a life.

Police say between April and June this year, Brown killed three people in Washington State, allegedly shooting them late at night in quiet locations, execution-style.

A few weeks later in New Jersey, 19-year-old college student, Brandon Tablin, was found dead inside his SUV from multiple gunshot wounds, police say they traced the gun used in all of these killings to Brown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we bury somebody like that, 19 years old, we don't have any answers.

BROWN: Brown's previous run-ins with the law, a conviction for bank fraud in 2004 had put him on the FBI's radar before. At the time, the reports say the FBI tried unsuccessfully to link the case to fundraising for terrorists in Africa.

While authorities aren't labeling Brown a terrorist or charging him under federal terrorism statutes, there are allegations that Brown's bloody crusade to kill Americans are now raising questions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you could prove this a terrorism offense. That doesn't necessarily determine if it should be prosecuted in federal court or state court.

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BROWN: Right now, Brown faces state murder charges, which carries a possible life sentence. And in Washington State, he faces the death penalty. Authorities could still bring additional charges, including terrorism charges. In his initial court appearance, Brown pleaded not guilty. We did reach out to his attorney and are still awaiting a comment back -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Pamela, so the question is, is he just delusional or was he recruited? So let's get some perspective on this, let's bring in Juliette Kayyem, CNN national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

And Mr. Paul Cruickshank, CNN terrorism analyst and co-author of "Agent Storm: My Life Inside Al Qaeda And The CIA" So start with you, Juliette. This is the risk, this is the fear, talking about ISIS specifically.

That they will recruit here and you have that versus well maybe they're not actively recruiting. But the idea of them creates one- offs or lone wolves. When you see something like this that happened with Brown, how do you analyze it?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: First you look to the facts that we have sore facts and circumstances, which is Brown seems to be self-identifying with an organization that he probably had no contact with and so one of the reasons why the prosecutors may be keeping a terrorism charge away from this case is it is simply because it's easier to prosecute him for murder than for terrorism charges.

In a state court it's clear that he murdered these four people. The investigation will continue to see whether he had any contact with ISIS or ISIL or any other organization. But there's going to be a lot of people who identify with ISIS, who have had no relation with ISIS.

That are just angered by what's going on in the world and they will be prosecuted under normal criminal law because we can put them behind bars for that.

CUOMO: Or, he's just a sicko who was looking for some grand idea that motivated his otherwise simple violence. But Paul, here's why it's relevant -- because to the regular person, I don't get ISIS, ISIL, I'm deep in the weeds about Syria and Iraq and all of these Arab states. But here's what I get that they want to kill me here and they're going to turn my own against me. This is something that specifically is playing out in Britain right now because of the coward with the mask on in the ISIS videos with the knife. Because the belief is this is a regular Londoner who was somehow turned. Is that a naive interpretation or is it a real threat?

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: There are a thousand westerners with ISIS right now, most of them are Europeans, these are trained killers and the worry is they could return to the west and launch attacks, that's not just a theoretical concern.

Back in May there was an attack on a Brussels museum, a Jewish museum by a French ISIS fighter, who had been holding hostages in Syria, came back to Europe, killed four people in a terrorist attack there in the museum.

CUOMO: But there are two different types of westerners, Juliette. I mean this just in terms of theoretically for this discussion. So we have these cases here in the U.S. We've got three women in Minnesota are missing, rumored to have joined ISIS.

Another young woman in Colorado, another young man in New Jersey, this guy, Ali Brown. Attributed to ISIS online. Here's the risk -- two different types of westerners, are they people who came from somewhere else, moved here.

But had some lingering sympathies and were low-hanging fruit for extremist organizations or are they real, minted Americans who are somehow turned by propaganda that ISIS uniquely conveys? Which is it?

KAYYEM: Well, maybe both, Chris and I think we're going to see a lot of these different cases emerge because of ISIS' success in the social media sort of world. ISIS appears stronger, scarier, more of a threat to the homeland because it's infiltrating us through social media, Facebook, Twitter.

They've been incredibly successful in this regard. They're using it as a way to make themselves seem very strong, which they are. But to seem like they're next door. And also, to get recruits so we're going to see this because of ISIS' success and sophistication in a way that al Qaeda never was.

Al Qaeda was much more disciplined in its recruitment. We're going to see a lot more of this. Whether it's people who are from there, who get recruited, or Americans here, who are looking for a larger meaning and find something in ISIS appealing.

CUOMO: I'm going to come back to you for one last quick take on Ebola because I want to get a sense of what the scope of the threat is there. But Paul, let me ask you this -- here's a little bit of cynicism. With al Qaeda, we didn't hear about it because you're constantly minimizing and mitigating al Qaeda.

Saying they're nothing, they're nothing, they're nothing. With ISIS, it seems there's no push that these are the worst guys in the history of the world, which has coincidentally goes hand in hand with the novel campaign to attack them.

How legit is this basic respect that ISIS is being given that we, you know are constantly talking about what to call them. Right name, they're better online than anybody else. Is that true or are we hyping them to make them a bigger target so we can strike them?

CRUICKSHANK: ISIS has potential frightening capabilities to launch attacks, what they've not done is actually plot attacks here. This is a group with frightening capability, 1,000 westerners in their ranks, tens of millions of dollars, training camps on a scale last seen from the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The Europeans are very worried about this, the emergence potentially of a terrorist state on the southern shore of the Mediterranean.

CUOMO: So it's real, it's worthy of the unified strategy, I got you. Juliette, quickly, the Ebola plan from the president, sending 3,000 there the risk is that it comes here. How real is the risk at this point?

KAYYEM: The risk is probably not very real. But thank goodness for this initiative, because the risk is just the entire disruption of the African continent based on a real threat.

CUOMO: I ask you, because you dealt with H1N1 when you were with homeland security.

KAYYEM: Yes.

CUOMO: Juliette, thank you very much. I'll come back to you on Ebola as the threat evolves, as will all these threats at some point. Juliette, Paul, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

A lot of other news, let's get you to Mich for the headlines.

PEREIRA: All right. Chris, thanks so much.

Fifteen minutes past the hour. Good morning, everyone.

Here are your headlines:

As fighting -- deadly fighting continues in eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian parliament has granted broad concessions to the rebels in Eastern Ukraine. This measure was presented by President Petro Poroshenko to create special status to the region in a bid to end the uprising. This law grants greater political autonomy, amnesty for rebel fighters, and allows the region to form deeper ties with Russia.

Two more states have reported cases of respiratory virus that is hospitalizing children across the nation. Montana and Alabama have each reported one case of EVD68. That virus has been causing severe breathing problems in some children, especially those with asthma. The Centers for Disease Control has confirmed cases of the virus in seven other states and several more have tests pending and they are testing those patients for the virus. Some 1,500 firefighters are battling a large wildfire near Sacramento,

California. Officials say the King Fire has more than doubled in size over the past 24 hours. This scorched more than 8,000 acres, extreme heat and high winds and, of course, the ongoing drought in California fueling the fire. It is one of 11 major wildfires that are currently burning right now across California.

Something else California has got to worry about, Odile, now a tropical storm grinding it's way up Mexico's Baja California Peninsula. It does still pose serious danger over the next day or two, with the potential for life-threatening flooding and mudslide.

In fact, they say the weather department says they are expecting flooding in southwest United States region. The storm made landfall as a category 3 storm Sunday, forcing thousands to evacuate. It closed the peninsula's two main airports and caused widespread damage. There's no word on when flights might restart. Obviously, that's a big tourist location there.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely.

PEREIRA: I'm hearing some stories from folks that CNN has talked about hearing the roar of the wind coming through, palm trees snapping over. A real mess. Not the vacation I think some people were looking for.

BOLDUAN: No. But, hopefully, they get blue skies right after the storm passes. Exactly right.

CUOMO: All right. That's just what happens in between.

PEREIRA: It's the weather.

BOLDUAN: That's right.

U.S. airstrikes hitting is positions near Baghdad, signaling a new phase in the fight against ISIS. We're going to look at the risks expanding the mission, beyond Iraq, into Syria.

CUOMO: And the war within the NFL, the Vikings welcome back Adrian Peterson, even as there are reports of a second child abuse accusation and Ray Rice set to appeal his suspension. We're going to tell you what the NFL is doing to manage its troubles, next.

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BOLDUAN: Minnesota Vikings star Adrian Peterson, he's denying new child abuse allegation that he's up against this morning. CNN affiliate KHOU is reporting that Peterson was involved in a second alleged incident of abuse involving a different son, a different child.

CNN has not been able to independently confirm the detail, which is important to say. But through his attorney, Peterson vehemently denies this report.

But the running back will be back on the field this weekend as the team begins to feel the fallout over the controversy.

Radisson Hotels, a big sponsor of the team, has suspended its sponsorship with the Vikings as of now. All of this as former Baltimore Raven, Ray Rice, is expected to appeal his indefinite suspension from the NFL by midnight tonight.

Lots to discuss. So, let's bring in former NFL agent, professor of sports management at NYU, Robert Boland, along with former NFL player, George Martin.

Gentlemen, good morning.

GEORGE MARTIN, FORMER NFL PLAYER: Good morning.

BOLDUAN: Thank you for waking up early.

A lot to get to. This continues to play out, but it also, there seems to be twists and turns every morning that we need to discuss, I want to talk to you guys first about Adrian Peterson and what appears from the outside to be quite a quick turn-around. They sideline them and just as quickly, he's going to be back on the field this weekend.

Bob, what does this mean? Why does it seem like such a head-fake, if you will?

ROBERT BOLAND, FORMER NFL AGENT: Well, it really is hard to figure out. But I mean, on some level, it's a fairly modest charge. It sounds bad, it's child abuse, but it's a fairly modest charge, and the facts are not in dispute that he disciplined his child. The question is how severe it was and whether he has a defense.

So, my sense he's not a danger to anyone else in the locker room. It's a question of putting him back on the field and he is a star player.

BOLDUAN: You know, maybe the problem that a lot of -- maybe what folks find so surprising during George, is that there seems to be a haphazard application of the player conduct rules. You've got a six- game suspension that Goodell put in place, and that was supposed to deal with domestic abuse, assault, all types of things. But it seems to not have been applied in either of these real high-profile cases.

MARTIN: Yes, the process seems to be helter-skelter, first of all. I mean, that leads to the -- obviously, no solution right now. But I think more importantly, when we talk about child abuse, I think it's a matter of semantics in his mind, because what we're calling abuse, he's calling discipline. Where is the dividing line? We have to have a --

BOLDUAN: Who is the arbiter of that? When it comes to a player in the NFL?

MARTIN: I think in this case, in Adrian Peterson's case, it is the law. I think that's why they're waiting to see h it plays out in the courts. One of the things -- we talk about this before, it's a cultural dynamic as well, because when I grew up as I said in my newly released book on page 16, we talk about the best beating I ever got in my life, it didn't come from my parents it came from a teacher.

BOLDUAN: But how does that -- it's two worlds colliding. You've got sports, you've got these, you've got such a great player in Adrian Peterson, you've got Ray Rice, but then you got the personal lives that these guys are role models, and that's a real thing, they hold themselves up as role models, even if they don't want to. When you become a star in the NFL, you're a role model.

This misapplication kind of the process, is it helping anyone?

MARTIN: Well, here's the narrative now, the original narrative was outrage because of what was taken place.

BOLDUAN: Right.

MARTIN: And then it shifted to Roger Goodell and how he mishandled the situation. Now --

BOLDUAN: Do you agree he mishandled the situation?

MARTIN: By his own admission, he has mishandled the situation.

But now, if you look at what happened yesterday, Roger sent out an edict from the league to all 32 teams, and he is now making amends by having sweeping changes to player conduct policies as it relates to sexual assault, and also domestic abuse.

So, now, I think we're moving in the right direction to get something substantive and positive implemented with these ball players.

BOLDUAN: Part of that, Bob, part of this change that's been announced is four female executives being brought in to consult with Goodell on issues of domestic violence and sexual assault, is that window dressing?

BOLAND: It certainly looks like it at the moment. That's one of the problems of the league is suffering from. They keep making a move into a move. I think I agree with George, it's necessary to have greater diversity and to bring this topic to light.

BOLDUAN: Better to have it than not, true.

BOLAND: Better to have it than not, but it does seem to be a reaction as opposed to a clear movement.

BOLDUAN: Here's a little bit. I want to actually play a sound byte from Eric Winston. He's the current president of the players association. He's speaking last night on the issue of Goodell and also the issues facing the league right now. Listen to this.

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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: Should Ray Rice be allowed to play again?

ERIC WINSTON, PRESIDENT, NFLPA: I think so. I think we are all entitled to a second chance. Obviously, he made a horrific mistake. And he's going to pay for it. He's already been disciplined once, actually been disciplined multiple times by the commissioner.

BURNETT: So, Roger Goodell, should he keep his job?

WINSTON: Obviously, there's an issue with player conduct, like you've been referring to and maybe it's time to take it out of the commissioner's hands and put into a neutral arbitration process where there can be a fair process for everybody involved.

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BOLDUAN: I found that last bit interesting. Eric Winston saying take the issue of player conduct out of the commissioner's hands and give it to a neutral arbiter, if you will. What would that fix?

BOLAND: It would fix the problem that the commissioner is conflicted between being the fact-finder and the person who punishes. So, most of the problem would have been resolved if the commissioner wasn't have to decide a punishment, a third party could have. He could say look I want to throw the book at Ray Rice, this is horrible. But it would be a third person deciding.

BOLDUAN: You don't think the NFL would be in this position that it's in right now, if a huge PR problem at the very least, if, if Goodell would not have been handling player conduct?

MARTIN: Oh, I think it's a mistake for Roger to be judge, jury and executioner and he's absolutely right. I think it should be an objective third party to look at the situation in its totality and then render an effective decision across the board. That not only impacts the individual in question, but also the league in its entirety.

BOLDUAN: Do you think that change is likely to happen in light of this?

BOLAND: I think it has to that's going to be one outcome that has to happen. You can't be the chief judge and the president, simultaneously, because you may have to died against your decide against yourself. And I think that's going to be one of the clearer outcomes that Goodell will have to come back to. And also, it's difficult to maintain a due process standard that a judge or independent arbiter must and be a commissioner who is an advocate for the sport and its sponsors.

BOLDUAN: I assume, as a former agent, that's clearly what players want, they don't want Goodell in charge of telling them how many games they're going to be out, right?

BOLAND: Absolutely. They would like a neutral arbitrator.

BOLDUAN: What do you think finally on the issue of Radisson pulling its sponsorship. I've said all along. Money -- we say it every time money comes up in professional sports -- money talks, right? Nothing is going to change unless the sponsors start dropping out. We saw it with the NBA. Now, we're going to -- starting to see it with Radisson. Let's be

honest, Radisson will likely come back when things change, when things quiet down. But does this have a real impact? Do you think this is the thing that changes the league, if you will, George?

MARTIN: Well, first of all, I think it's an isolated incident. I don't think the dominos will begin to fall at this point in time. However, but if they do and there are subsequent sponsors that pull out, I think you're going to see a radical change that owners are going to take notice and they're going to become proactive in the process.

BOLDUAN: Is it unfortunate that it has to come down to the sponsors are the ones that are going to exact justice, if you will, not self -- that the league can't police itself?

BOLDAN: I think the league is trying to police itself and I think it's struggling in this one, but I think that's how insidious and difficult domestic violence is in every circumstance, there aren't clear winners, and it's a very gray area. I think sponsors help define what the clear outcome should be.

BOLDAUN: What is the policy, six-game suspension, indefinite suspension for the players -- they should know what they're going to face if they screw up. If they do something bad, they need to know the rules as well, as everyone does.

MARTIN: Yes, if there's anything that's been ambiguous thus far, as far as Roger is concerned, it's the application of administering punishment and I think that's why Ray Rice --

BOLDUAN: How did he screw this up so bad? I'm sorry to put it that way, but he's a smart man.

MARTIN: Yes. Unfortunately, we don't have crystal ball that knows what goes on in Roger's head. But he admitted he screwed this one up, and it seems he's continuing to go down that path. Although I think with the recent promotions and that he's and the rules that he's enacted, he's correcting that ship.

BOLDUAN: George Martin. Bob Boland, great to see you guys. Thanks so much.

And a reminder to all of you, George Martin has also written a book, he mentioned a little earlier. You can check this out "Just Around the Bend: My Journey for 9/11." Go and check it out.

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