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Gunmen Kill At Least 36 People in Kenya Quarry; Interview with Cosby Accuser; North Korea Behind Sony Hack?

Aired December 02, 2014 - 06:30   ET

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: And we have some breaking news, and we go to the Kenya/Somalia border, where al Shabaab is claiming responsibility for killing at least 36 people in a quarry. We're hearing the gunmen separated the workers by religion and freed the Muslims while gunning down the Christians and even beheading some victims.

Nima Elbagir has the latest for us live from London -- Nima.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This wan as early-morning attack, Alisyn, in an isolated quarry near the incredibly porous Kenya/Somali border. And as you said, this is becoming Al Shabaab's M.O. to separate the victims by religion, gun down the Christians and release the Muslims.

The concern is that this is setting the stage for what could be an increasingly sectarian nature of the conflict spilling over into Kenya -- Alisyn

CAMEROTA: And, Nima, we know that the leader of al Shabaab was recently killed in a U.S.-led airstrike. So, why hasn't that slowed any of the attacks?

ELBAGIR: Well, that's what we were told by U.S. officials, this was supposed to send al Shabaab into disarray. But what we've seen is almost that they've regrouped with a many clearer vision. They've given up on the territorial footprint inside Somalia.

What they're focusing on is spreading terror. I mean, some of these images are too horrifying to even show our viewers at home. This was a terror attack calculated to do exactly that, to strike horror. And the sad thing is that these attacks are becoming increasingly, increasingly a regular event in that part of the world.

CAMEROTA: And, Nima, we also know that you went to this exact spot. Tell us what your experience was there.

ELBAGIR: Well, we went after the Westgate Mall attack. We wanted to see what that attack would mean for the Kenyan authorities in terms of shutting down the border, and we were able to go pass freely well into Somalia, we could have kept going. Obviously, we didn't want to. We came back in again. Again, no Kenyan authority presence. We understand that that

situation hasn't really changed there isn't the clamp-down that needs to happen. And the broader concern, just to contextualize it, is that Kenya is a hub. It is regional hub. It's an international hub.

When you see people able to move so freely, the concern is how much further can they go, Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: It's so troubling. Nima, thanks so much for the reporting.

There's other news to talk about. Let's get over to Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Let's do it, 6:32 is the time on the East here.

President Obama vowing this time will be different when he tackles an overhaul of American police departments. He wants tighter controls in the militarization of police departments, as well as millions in funding for the police officer body cameras. In the meantime, St. Louis Rams and St. Louis County police are at odds over whether the team apologized for actions Sunday, when several players raised their arms in solidarity with Ferguson protesters.

Jeb Bush says he is thinking about running for president and plans to make a decision soon. He made that revelation at a "Wall Street Journal" event Monday. Now, according to a new CNN/ORC poll, Jeb Bush is third among Republicans for their nominee in 2016 behind Mitt Romney and Dr. Ben Carson. Now, if Mitt Romney isn't running Bush then jumps to number one.

In the meantime, Ohio Senator Rob Portman who got less than .1 percent in our poll has announced he will not run for the White House, and instead will focus on re-election to the Senate.

Embattled NFL star Ray Rice speaking out about the infamous elevator punch that knocked out his then-fiancee. The former Ravens running back is looking for a new team, now that an arbitrator has ordered his reinstatement. Take a listen to what he tells Matt Lauer what it will take to get him back on the field.

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RAY RICE, NFL PLAYER: Somebody willing to look deep near who I am. And realize that you know me and my wife had one bad night and I took full responsibility for it. And one thing about my punishment and everything going along with anything that happens, is that I've accepted it. I went fully forward with it I never complained or I never did anything like that. I took full responsibility for everything that I did and I'm -- the only thing I can hope for and wish for is a second chance.

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PEREIRA: According to some reports, Rice is drawing interest from the a least four NFL teams. So far, though, no one has offered him a spot on their roster. OK, this story, imagine a Virginia beach woman might be in for a pay

day after she discovered a bag of clams. Cathy Morelli (ph) was eating her meal and chomped down on something hard, a rare purple pearl possibly worth $3,000. Not too bad, considering the bag of clams cost $15. Talk about ROI.

CAMEROTA: Don't you mean it cost 15 clams?

PEREIRA: That's almost as good as your on poipose.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: I didn't even know that clams had pearls. I thought only oysters had pearls. I don't know.

PEREIRA: Am I a mollusk expert? Don't look at me --

CUOMO: That's strong. Mollusk is strong.

CAMEROTA: She pulled out the morning mollusk.

CUOMO: You win just with mollusk.

All right. Let's get to meteorologist Indra Petersons keeping track of the latest forecast.

If I were doing it, I would say it was hot and now it's cold. But I'm sure there's more to it --

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INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I think we all know that we woke up morning, we were talking about temperatures yesterday 30 degrees warmer in many places in the mid-Atlantic and Northeast than what we are looking for today. D.C., so nice 70 degrees yesterday. Today, how about some 40s?

Want to look at it another way? Look at the current temperatures, how about D.C., maybe New York City, this is the current temperature, it's early in the morning, right, sun is barely even up. By the time we get to the afternoon the highs don't look any different. In some places, the temperatures are going to be going down throughout the day.

The cold air is still funneling in. That's the problem thanks to the cold front making its way through. Kind of a messy morning, rain, snow, sleet and, yes, ice making its way through the mid-Atlantic, eventually into the northeast today.

As far as what you're going to get, the further north you are, the colder it is. That's when you're going to see the snow. Pretty messy in the mid-Atlantic, farther down to the south looking at just rain. But by tomorrow, it warms up again, so only one day of this very chilly air. I do want to point out, out West you have to notice the huge low in all the moisture is called an atmosphere wafer, they've had a lot of drought conditions and we're talking about heavy flooding and landslides in burn areas.

CAMEROTA: It's not supposed to happen all at once.

PETERSONS: Definitely not all at once. You want to spread that out.

PEREIRA: Something we got to keep an eye on for sure.

CAMEROTA: Thanks, Indra.

PETERSONS: Sure.

CUOMO: We're going to add a different dimension to the Bill Cosby situation. I think there are 17 women at least who have come forward talking about him. Many, their stories are so similar. Yet, they had never met.

That's going to change here on the show today. We have three of the accusers, are going to come forward, they're going to meet for the first time. And we'll see what that reveals about their experiences. You're going to want to see that. Stay with us.

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CAMEROTA: At least 17 women have come forward saying they were sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby. The allegations have had a profound effect on Cosby's brand. His upcoming stand-up shows have been canceled and several universities have cut ties with him. Yesterday, he resigned from the board of trustees at Temple University, that's his alma mater.

CNN has also obtained court documents from 2005 revealing that Cosby gave an interview to the "National Enquirer" in exchange for the tabloid spiking a story about a woman claiming that Cosby had drugged and raped her.

Joining us now is Barbara Bowman. She was one of the first women to share her story.

Barbara, great to see you.

BARBARA BOWMAN, ALLEGES SHE WAS RAPED BY BILL COSBY: Good morning, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Can you believe it's been less than three weeks? You wrote your piece for the "Washington Post" that started all of this, on November 13th, can you believe the flood gates that have opened since that piece?

BOWMAN: It's been unbelievable. I couldn't believe the positive response that came from this as far as my goals, which was to talk and speak out to the other women. And I always said right from the beginning, if I could help one woman, it would feel fantastic. And I've helped more than that. So, it feels terrific.

CAMEROTA: You have, because people cite that piece of yours as giving them the courage to come forward and wanting to show solidarity with you. You say that many women have called you, in the past couple of weeks. How many would you say? BOWMAN: My phone was blowing up. I had phone calls, emails, text

messages, voicemails that I could not keep up with from other women, from --

CAMEROTA: What are they telling you? Are these women who have similar stories, or who just appreciate what you've done?

BOWMAN: Both and a lot of people calling to check in with me by LinkedIn and Facebook, just to say what can I do to help? There are people that you know want me to know things about things that had happened.

So, it's just been -- it's been crazy and I'm just really relieved that after so much time, we're finally at a place where people are listening.

CAMEROTA: And you say after so much time what your accusations against him are that this happened when you were a teenager, you were an aspiring actress in L.A. He was supposed to be your mentor and what happened?

BOWMAN: Well, I was in Denver, Colorado, and at 17, I met him and he and my agent were arranging for me to take the next step and come and move into New York and pursue my acting career. And so, that's what I did. I went straight from Denver to New York.

And that process was very, very regimented and they subsidized my housing and my acting classes and that type of thing, and everything that I did was directed by them. So, that was in the '80s. And all this time went by and then, 2005 when Andrea Constand brought her suit, I was on a panel with 13 women, we with were scheduled to testify but he settled out of court. So, unfortunately, none of us were able to testify.

CAMEROTA: So, obviously, it's the morning and we try not to be too graphic. For people who don't knower your story. What is it you allege that Bill Cosby did?

BOWMAN: There was drugging, molestation and rape.

CAMEROTA: You have actually been telling your story for some time.

BOWMAN: Yes, I have.

CAMEROTA: For about ten years.

BOWMAN: That's right.

CAMEROTA: You have gone public and basically have told anybody who would listen, what happened to you. Why do you think that this -- that in November, when you put your piece in "The Washington Post," why did it only then take hold?

BOWMAN: I have so many answers for that. But the first thing I'd like to say is it really is a shame that it has taken so long, because when, when I came forward in 2005, that was a big scary very scary step for me. And I wasn't sure what was going to come of that.

And when really nothing did, I was very disappointed. And my story kept getting shoved under the rug. It would pop up and then go away and pop up and go away. When it came up in the last three weeks and I was approached to do this story, I was determined to try and just make it very clear what had happened. And raise those questions. Why was it a man that had come up a celebrity man --

CAMEROTA: A comedian. There was a comedian who put this into his stand-up act that Bill Cosby, he claimed, was a rapist. Those were his words.

BOWMAN: That's right.

CAMEROTA: And then -- that sort of caught fire.

BOWMAN: And he had a show slated to come out in the fall.

CAMEROTA: Bill Cosby.

BOWMAN: So, that just raised a lot of curiosity. That's what made people listen.

I think we have, we're living in a new age as well. In the '80s, we didn't have social media we didn't have Facebook, we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have the instant communication we have today. So, things that were happening then, it took a lot longer to disseminate the information.

Things that were said and allegations and said about someone, especially Bill Cosby, no one was listening. No one believed it and I was in a position where if I spoke and when I spoke, those people were laughing at me. Those people were calling me a liar.

CAMEROTA: Bill Cosby's attorneys say that your story is not true. Here is the statement that they put out, specifically about you.

"Over the last several weeks, decade-old discredited allegations against Mr. Cosby have resurfaced. The fact that they are being repeated does not make them true. Mr. Cosby does not intend to dignify these allegations with any comment."

But since then, things have happened with Bill Cosby. As we've said, his NBC program has been shelved. Netflix has spiked their relationship with him. He just resigned from his alma mater.

Things are happening. You will never be able to have your allegations aired in a court of law. The statute of allegations has passed. Is this enough what's happening now to Bill Cosby?

BOWMAN: Well, I would like to say my allegations have never been discredited. And as far as my -- to the best of my knowledge, no one else, the other 13 women have ever been discredited, either. So --

CAMEROTA: But they've not been proved. That's the problem with the statute of limitations. It's a he said/she said. They've never been proved.

BOWMAN: Well, I have enough going on in my case and years and years of compilation that there is proof there. And for him to make a statement about allegation, his attorney didn't say anything that was factual. All he said was basically explaining what an allegation is. They have not vehemently denied his participation.

CAMEROTA: That's interesting.

Barbara, you're going to meet two of the other women who have said that they have stories, very similar to yours and they have also come forward and they're very much looking forward to that. In our 8:00 hour, Barbara will be back along with two other Cosby accusers, they will talk about what they would like to see happen from here.

Barbara, great to see you. Stick around. We're looking forward to that.

BOWMAN: Yes. Me, too. Thank you.

Tell us what you think about this entire situation. You can go to our Facebook page, Facebook.com/NewDay. You can also page me on Twitter @alisyncamerota. We'd love to hear your thoughts on Bill Cosby and his accusers.

Let's go over to Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Another story we're following, Alisyn -- Sony Pictures hacked future big-budget blockbusters, leaked online for free. Now other companies are being warned that they might be next.

Here's the question -- are the North Koreans with their huge film fan leader, behind the attacks? We'll look at it for you coming back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You, two, are going to be in a room along with Kim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got the interview.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The CIA would love it if you could take him out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like for drinks, dinner, take him out on the town?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, take him out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want us to kill the leader of North Korea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

(END VIDEO CLIP) PEREIRA: That was a clip from the new Sony comedy "The Interview" with James Franco and Seth Rogen featuring a CIA plot to assassinate North Korean leader, Kim Jong-Un.

There's now speculation Pyongyang unhappy with that film, may have been behind the cyber attack in the Sony Pictures online network, making two of the studio's new film among some of the things that were leaked. Just the idea that the North Korean could infiltrate a major company like this sending shock waves throughout the industry.

We want to discuss it with Brian Stelter, CNN's media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", and Bobby Ghosh is also here, CNN global affairs analyst, managing editor of "Quartz".

Gentlemen, we have ourselves a situation here. Bobby, let's a starts with you. Is it possible that North Korea could have perpetrated such an act?

BOBBY GHOSH, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Yes, yes, absolutely. They've done things like this before. They have a fairly sophisticated hacking network. The South Koreans will keep a close watch to say that the North Korean government has up to 3,000 hackers on the payroll. This is their job, to make mischief around the world.

All of their Internet connection goes through China. There's always been some suggestion that China allows this to happen and possibly uses the North Koreans as a kind of proxy, cut-out as a way of doing mischief using the North Koreans as the convenient stooges. In either case this kind of thing has happened before. They did it last year in South Korea. They attacked South Korean television studios. They attacked ATMs, using similar programs.

So the fingerprints of the North Koreans are all over this.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: In this case, they've been out, complaining, condemning this film "The Interview" for months, calling it an act of war.

PEREIRA: And consequences, too, right?

STELTER: Right. Consequences, and you have to wonder if -- as a result the Sony executives have been targeted. I find interesting that the film that's making fun of North Korea, is not of the film that's been leaked.

So, other big Sony films have leaked online and not "The Interview". It makes you wonder also.

PEREIRA: I'm curious, Brian, in terms of what kind of impact it could have, because we also understand, among this leak and this hack, email was down. They had to resort to oh, my goodness, the old-fashioned phone call.

STELTER: Actually, whiteboards at some points they were using to take notes because they had no computer access.

PEREIRA: It was leaking internal documents, among them the pay rates of some of their top execs.

STELTER: Yes, the bigger issue than just losing computer access for a few days before Thanksgiving was all of the documents that were obtained by these hackers, most of them have not come out yet. What came out last night were a list of all of the salaries of the top executives at Sony, which by the way almost all of them are white men. So that's become --

PEREIRA: Oh, that's a whole side bar conversation.

STELTER: Exactly, it's been a new story by fusion, (INAUDIBLE) Web site put up last night.

That was the first week and I have to assume other documents will come out as well.

PEREIRA: Yes, Bobby, it's interesting, let's go back to the whole subterfuge of it, it does seem to be financially motivated. We've seen other hacks where, you know, credit card numbers have been compromised and bank numbers, but this is, this seems politically inspired.

GHOSH: That's right. They're not trying to sell the movies that they've stolen from Sony.

PEREIRA: Although can we point out 1.2 million copies were pirated of "Fury" just yesterday.

GHOSH: Just free. And they're not trying to -- the best we know, they're not trying to blackmail the company. They're not trying to sell information.

This is a political act. This is them saying -- you should be frightened of us because look what we can do, we can get into your computer systems and we can mess around.

STELTER: It's as if Iran freaked out about a daily show segment --

PEREIRA: Oh wait, that happened.

STELTER: That actually happened, exactly. And we see that new film "Rosewater" about that incident. This feels a bit similar. That you can take something that we all know is comedy and take it so seriously.

PEREIRA: In your idea, how concerned are other, other movie companies feeling right now, thinking -- gee, we better take a good hard look at our security and then take a good hard look at the movies we're producing.

STELTER: Certainly a moment for the media industry, we cover hacking all the time. We talk about companies and governments getting hacked but to see it happen to one of the biggest Hollywood studios, one of the biggest media companies on the planet is a wake-up call. No doubt about it.

PEREIRA: And our relationship with North Korea is not so great. So, it's not like we can just necessarily say, hey-now.

GHOSH: Exactly right.

PEREIRA: Why is the communication not open?

GHOSH: They don't care about any international criticism. In fact, they enjoy this. This sort of making mischief is basically the only thing that government has to offer its people, the ability to make mischief outside, is the only distraction they can offer their people. They have no positive things to offer the people of North Korea.

PEREIRA: Bobby Ghosh, Brian Stelter, great to have you here. Great conversation guys.

We're following a whole lot of news this morning. So let's get right to it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a call for a day of walk-outs in New York City, Washington, D.C., we saw the same.

ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Let me be clear: I ain't mad at you.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The president of the United States is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A task force looking at policing in America.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the conversation that we have been asking to have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FBI warning the U.S. military.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think it's just military personnel in this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why our military? They're our heroes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A series of reforms in response to reports of sexual assaults.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our university has been placed at the center of this crisis.

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CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to NEW DAY. I'm Alisyn Camerota, along with Chris Cuomo.

President Obama vowed to reform law enforcement in America in the wake of the Ferguson riots. Promising, quote, "this time will be different."

Attorney General Eric Holder also saying that he will announce new guidelines soon. He said this at the Atlanta church where Martin Luther King was once pastor. He told the crowd, it's time to end racial profiling in America once and for all -- but not without hearing it from hecklers and protesters in the crowd. We'll get into that.

CUOMO: That's right.

Now, another evolving part of the story -- did the Rams apologize to the St. Louis police? The police say they did they actually put on their social media, a definition of what apologize means. And, of course, it stems from the players putting their "don't shoot, hands up" display before Sunday's game.

But the team says, they did not apologize for this. So what's going on with that? Let's get into it.

We'll begin our coverage in Ferguson with Ed Lavandera there this morning. Things are quieter in Ferguson, but they have a lot of problems going forward, don't they?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They do. And it's kind of a sense of just how tense the situations are. Just talking about this, a symbolic gesture has sparked another round of controversy.

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HOLDER: While the grand jury proceeding in St. Louis County has concluded, I can report this evening that the Justice Department's investigation into the shooting death of Michael Brown, as well as our investigation into allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns, or practices by the Ferguson Police Department remain ongoing and remain active.

LAVANDERA (voice-over): Inside the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Attorney General Eric Holder addressed the country. At times his words were stifled by the chants of protests.

The attorney general paused to insure their voices could be heard.

HOLDER: What we saw there was a genuine expression of concern and involvement. Let me be clear: I ain't mad at you, all right?

LAVANDERA: Late Monday night, the St. Louis Rams finally addressed the controversy surrounding this public show of solidarity by five of its players, their "hands up, don't shoot" message.