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Hundreds Protest Police Use of Force; Tulsa Deputy Surrenders, Released on Bond; Hillary Clinton's No-Frills Campaign; New Planes May be Vulnerable to Hackers; Rand Paul's Wife on 2016 Race. Aired 7-7:30a ET

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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Police say that this police officer who used his vehicle, rammed it into the suspect actually saved the suspect's life because the suspect was suicidal. But the suspect's attorney is saying no way. The use of a 2-ton deadly weapon is excessive force.

Now, the country is weighing in.

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FLORES (voice-over): Hundreds taking to the streets and cities across the country in protest of police use of force. Crowds converging on police precincts and blocking highways, leading to dozens of arrests from California to New York.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, we're going to send that crowd right through there.

FLORES: More than 200 protesters marching across New York's Brooklyn Bridge. Police say an off-duty officer was assaulted after exiting his stopped car during the demonstration. A second officer was struck in the head with a bottle just a short time later.

The outrage sparked by the shooting death caught on tape of Walter Scott in South Carolina, the unarmed black man shot several times while fleeing police after a routine traffic stop. Officer Michael Slager has since been charged with murder.

Scott's death is just the latest in a string of fatal shootings at the hands of police, starting with the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, last summer.

And now this new video out of Arizona, igniting more questions about excessive force. This dash-cam video shows a police cruiser ramming into an armed suspect in a violent crime spree, seen here waving a gun and firing it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One round just went out into the sky. It's definitely unlocked now. He's definitely loaded.

FLORES: The first officer on the scene warns a police unit coming towards 36-year-old Mario Valencia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand off. Stand off. The gun is -- the gun is loaded.

FLORES: But just two seconds later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh! Jesus Christ, man down!

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FLORES: Now, Valencia is facing 15 charges, in part for allegedly setting a church on fire. That morning, earlier that morning for stealing something from a 7-Eleven and then stealing a gun and stealing a car, as well. As for the protests, we're expecting more protesters today here in New York City, at least 1,000 -- Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Rosa, thank you very much.

Also this morning the reserve deputy who fatally shot a man in Tulsa when he mistook his gun for his Taser is now out on bail. His name is Robert Bates, and he surrendered to authorities Tuesday. And he will be facing manslaughter charges.

We have Ryan Young live in Tulsa with more. Ryan, what is the latest?

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we watched him walk inside that jail. About 30 minutes later he walked right back out. His attorney gave us a short comment, just about what was going on with Robert Bates right now.

But I can tell you a lot of people have been focused on this video that we'll show you. Many times across the country, Tasers and guns are separated from deputies and police officers, so when they go to grab one, they know it's the Taser or they know it's a gun.

In this case, you could hear his response as soon as he shoots the man. He says, "I'm sorry." He thought he was reaching for his Taser.

I can tell you, we talked to his attorney about the emotional uproar that's been going on, not only in the community but with his client.

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SCOTT WOOD, ATTORNEY FOR BATES: You know, obviously, he's -- he is very upset about what happened. He feels badly. The incident completely took him by surprise. He's -- has all the requisite training. He's Taser certified. And if you've watched the video, you know he was quite shocked when his gun went off.

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YOUNG: Now, Eric Harris was shot there and died later on. I can tell you there's been a lot of questions in this community about the training that Bates received.

They also want to know if his close role and relationship with the sheriff's department allowed him to be on a sort of tactical detail like this one. The sheriff's department saying he had enough training to be there, but that's the question that has to be answered -- Chris. CUOMO: All right, Ryan, thank you very much.

In our next hour we're going to talk to attorney Scott Wood. He's representing that Tulsa deputy charged with manslaughter for, again, mistaking his pistol for a Taser. Does he think this 73-year-old should have even been at this scene -- John.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Here's a question for you: just what does Iowa sound like? One person who should know, Hillary Clinton, because her campaign says she's doing more listening than talking in her first campaign swing through the state.

The former first lady, the former secretary of state, said to be holding what are called low-key events in that state, with a big media circus following her every step of the way.

I want to bring in CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar with the Clinton campaign in Norwalk, Iowa, this morning -- Brianna.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, John.

Yesterday Hillary Clinton took on corporations and big money. Today she's talking with small business owners, having a round table here at Capital City Fruit in Norwalk not too far outside of Des Moines.

But this is something we heard her yesterday, really taking on big money. And today we expect that she will also do a little bit more of that listening.

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[07:05:05] HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How are you?

KEILAR (voice-over): Hillary Clinton back on the campaign trail. After a public stop at a small coffee shop in Le Claire, Iowa, a town of fewer than 4,000, it was onto a round-table discussion with students and faculty at a satellite campus of Kirkwood Community College in Monticello.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's great.

KEILAR: Clinton telling a small group of Iowans why she's running in person for the first time.

CLINTON: I'm running for president, because I think that Americans and their families need a champion. And I want to be that champion.

KEILAR: She struck a populist tone, taking on Wall Street and stagnant middle-class wages.

CLINTON: The deck is still stacked in favor of those already at the top. There's something wrong when CEOs make 300 times more than the typical worker.

KEILAR: And despite personally blessing a super PAC to support her run, she said she wants to clamp down on outside political groups.

CLINTON: We need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment.

KEILAR: It's a far cry from her unsuccessful effort here eight years ago. The big rallies.

CLINTON: I'm in it to win it.

KEILAR: And her ride, what the campaign nicknamed the Hillicopter, traded in for the much more humble Scooby Van that had national and local media running for a Hillary Clinton sighting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's it like to be back in the game?

CLINTON: It's great.

KEILAR: But Clinton's appearance is serious business in Iowa. Democratic operatives in the Hawkeye State tell CNN Iowans are eager to connect with her, but they want substance on the issues.

CLINTON: I'll be rolling out ideas and policies about what I think will work. But I want it to be informed by what's actually working.

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KEILAR: That's going to take some time as we understand it. I was told by an aide to Hillary Clinton yesterday that we're looking at about four or five weeks before some specific policy proposals come out, Chris.

And we should also note that yesterday the hiring of her wonks, I guess you could say, her top three domestic and foreign policy advisers, they were named. And so we should be expecting that they'll be doing a lot of work putting the meat on the bones of those policies.

CUOMO: All right, Brianna, and we have a key adviser sitting right across from me right now. So let's get to testing.

Joining us is Clinton's campaign strategy -- get the important questions out there, Karen Finney, strategic communications advisor and senior spokesperson for Hillary for America.

You just looked at our clock, and you winced, Finney. You said you're already tired.

KAREN FINNEY, STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS ADVISOR, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: Five hundred and seventy-two -- I mean, to the second, yes. We've got -- that's something I like to keep reminding people, actually. We do have 18, 19 months to lay out policy, to have this conversation, to debate the issues.

So, you know, it's interesting, because people were sort of asking, "Well, why is she starting small and why are you starting slow?" And again, if you look at numbers like that and you say because we have the time and because it gives her the opportunity, as she just said, to make sure that the ideas that she has are actually informed by what people actually think. And their own ideas.

CUOMO: So what's the plus/minus on this strategy? On the plus side you know what happened last time. You know what worked and didn't work. How does that feed into why you're doing now, this optics of going small?

FINNEY: Well, I think a couple of things. No. 1, I would say it's not just optics. It's really, I think, where Hillary Clinton is at her best.

I mean, a lot of people kind of tuned in for a portion of that conversation. Those of us at campaign headquarters listened to the whole hour. And let me tell you, they got down into the weeds about issues like college affordability, issues like how this community center provides classes both for high school kids and then for older people who are trying to re-enter the workforce. And those are some of the issues, obviously, our economy is dealing with. So part of it is it really gives her an opportunity to have that conversation.

The other thing, though, I think, Chris, that's really important, is I don't -- I think people think they know Hillary Clinton a lot better than they actually do. And so I think this also gives an opportunity for people to sort of -- a lot of people don't know, for example, when she first graduated Yale Law School, she worked for CDF. And she went with Children's Defense Fund, was on a project where she door-to-door, talking to families to find out why it was that kids with disabilities were not getting adequate education. A lot of people don't know that about her.

So there are a lot of things like that, experiences that motivated her, that I think it's important to know those things and know about her values and then also talk -- because that informs why she wants to do the things she wants to do.

CUOMO: Once she starts engaging the media more wholeheartedly, she's going to deal with a whole bunch of punch points that they want to come at her about. OK? And that's the price of entry. If she doesn't like it, it's too bad. Right? You've got to deal with it.

FINNEY: That's right.

CUOMO: Two -- one is, hey, we should have a constitutional amendment to get money out of the game.

FINNEY: Yes.

CUOMO: At the same time, the price tag is $2.5 billion that they believe your campaign is going to try and raise. How can that be taken as a serious position? "Oh, I want a constitutional amendment," when you are anything but unilaterally disarming? You're going to raise more money than anybody else ever. Hypocrisy?

FINNEY: Well, I think that's part of the plan. Actually, the $2.5 billion, I'm not sure where that came from. Because I think that includes people counting outside money. That's not a number that came from the campaign. But I take your point.

And I think the point is you can't unilaterally disarm, but that doesn't mean you don't still think there ought -- you think it's ridiculous to have to spend that kind of money and don't necessarily think we shouldn't keep trying on the other end.

It also means -- mean, look, yesterday she talked about things like the carried (ph) interest loophole for hedge funds. So if that happens to be your business, and you give to Hillary's campaign, you know where she stands. You know that you are giving to someone who that's what they believe.

So I think it was important for her to talk about this idea of a constitutional amendment, because again, you've got to push on the issue. But sure, there's the practical reality you can't unilaterally disarm.

CUOMO: That's the problem.

FINNEY: Right.

CUOMO: Because the leaders have to go first. Nobody wants to, you know, disarm unilaterally.

FINNEY: That's right.

CUOMO: So what kind of change are we really going to get?

Another issue: people look at what she's doing right now with this strategy and say, "Well, this is her trying to control the game. She wants to stay away from the media. She's going to say she's keeping it small, but really, she's just keeping away from us." That issue winds up highlighting the e-mails.

I know that you think it's a tired subject, and you argued that very effectively before you took your position here. But you've got the report that comes out that says Hillary got a letter in office in 2012 from Darrell Issa that said, "Tell us if you're using personal e- mail." She never responded. The State Department responded after she left in March. She left in February. And they just stated basic propositions, that you're not supposed to be using it for work.

It seems like this is evasion of the e-mail issue. She won't turn over the server. She won't deal with it. Fair criticism?

FINNEY: Well, no, and I'll tell you why I have a problem with the story that came out this morning. No. 1, it pointed out that congressional staffers happened to have turned these letters over to this reporter. Letters from several years ago that just happened to pop up the same day that Hillary Clinton is doing her first campaign event? That timing is a little fishy to me. Not to mention...

CUOMO: The letter was written or it wasn't written; it was answered or it wasn't answered? FINNEY: It was answered. The State Department did answer.

CUOMO: Not by Hillary, though. After she left, and...

FINNEY: But it was a letter that went...

CUOMO: It wasn't a great answer.

FINNEY: But it was a pro forma -- that's not her fault. It was a pro forma letter. The State Department gets -- trust me, they've gotten a lot of requests, a lot of departments have from Darrell Issa. They did actually respond. And some of the language was just sort of pro forma language.

The thing I thought was ironic about that is it said don't use personal e-mail. Well, three weeks ago when the system at the State Department was hacked, they basically said, "You have to use your personal e-mail."

And Hillary's not the first secretary of state to use personal e-mail.

CUOMO: Understood.

FINNEY: So I hear what you're saying. And I take the point in terms of we're going to have to deal with these issues.

And let me tell you, we're going to deal with these issues as they come, as appropriate. But at the same time, our job is also to make sure that she has the opportunity to keep doing what she needs to do. There may be some fair criticism, but I think there also can be all kinds of attacks that we need to call them out for what they are.

CUOMO: And when they attack you, the big ask is going to be to give them the server. Is there any chance that Hillary Clinton turns over the hardware?

FINNEY: I know that her lawyer is actually having that conversation with the committee right now. I don't know where that stands, but I know they're having that conversation.

So -- and again, she said, "I want -- I want the 55,000 e-mails released. I want to come and testify. You know, I'll come. Let's do it in public."

They said, "Let's do it in private."

So I mean, she's been very forthcoming.

And the other thing I would say about these e-mails is it wasn't a secret that this was her e-mail address. I mean, she was e-mailing over, like, a hundred people. And Republicans actually were on that list, as well. So it wasn't this big secret that they're trying to make it out to be.

And at the same time so, sure, will we deal with those issues? Absolutely. But she wants to stay focused on talking about people and the future. And I find it interesting that the Republicans want to make this about Hillary.

CUOMO: Well, she's the one who's running. Karen Finney, good luck in the new role.

FINNEY: Thanks so much.

CUOMO: I look forward to doing a lot of this, because we have 5,597...

FINNEY: All right. We've got plenty of time.

CUOMO: Michaela, over to you.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Pace yourselves. That's what we're going to go with. All right.

In other news breaking overnight, there are growing fears that ISIS may take control of the key Iraqi city of Ramadi within hours. An official in Anbar Province telling CNN ISIS fighters now have Ramadi essentially surrounded. Government forces there are not sure how much longer they can hold the front lines. They're desperately calling for reinforcements and air support from the U.S.-led coalition.

BERMAN: A senior al Qaeda operative in Yemen killed by a U.S. drone strike. The terrorist organization confirms that Ibrahim al-Rubaish died Monday on Yemen's southern coast. The Saudi citizen spent five years as a U.S. prisoner on U.S. Guantanamo Bay. He served as a top spokesman for al Qaeda in Yemen.

CUOMO: Newer planes are great, right? Not necessarily. A government report says the newer and more computerized they are, the more vulnerable they are to hacking. Aviation and government regulation correspondent Rene Marsh is in D.C. for us.

What is this about?

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION AND GOVERNMENT REGULATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, this is all based on interviews with cyber security and aviation experts. This report says that someone with a laptop and access to the plane's Wi-Fi could, in theory, commandeer the aircraft, put a virus into the flight control computers, even jeopardize the safety of the flight by taking control of those computers. Also could impact the warnings systems or the navigational systems. That from this report.

Now, the type of aircraft that could be vulnerable, the Boeing Dreamliner, Airbus 350 and 380. The author of this government report tells me there are about 200 to 300 aircraft flying that could be vulnerable.

I did speak with Airbus. They say that they are constantly assessing its aircraft to make sure that it is in the highest safety standard. Boeing also points out that there are multiple redundancy systems. So if a pilot saw a problem, it could be addressed -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: Wow. They're going to have some work to do. Thank goodness that we know about this now. Maybe they can start those efforts. Thanks so much, Rene.

MARSH: sure.

PEREIRA: New Jersey Governor Chris Christie hitting the road to New Hampshire. How will his style, his brash style play as he looks to revive his White House hopes? We'll ask John King ahead, "Inside Politics."

CUOMO: And behind every great male candidate, a greater woman. We're talking to Kelley Paul, Rand Paul's wife, coming up. There she is. Welcome to the show.

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[07:20:33] BERMAN: All right. There comes a time in every campaign when the press describes a candidate's spouse as a secret weapon. As if we never had any knowledge that the candidate was married or to whom.

This morning, NEW DAY is letting the secret out early. Kelley Paul is the wife of Senator Rand Paul, and she could be the next first lady.

PEREIRA: She also happens to be the author of a new book. It's called "True and Constant Friends: Love and Inspiration from our Grandmothers, Mothers and Friends."

Here to discuss all of that and her husband's place in the 2016 Republican field, Senator Rand Paul's wife.

I actually just want to call you Kelley Paul instead of saying "Rand Paul's wife" or "the wonderful woman behind the candidate," because you're a fabulous lady in your own right. Good morning to you.

KELLEY PAUL, WIFE OF RAND K. PAUL: Thank you, Michaela.

PEREIRA: Congratulations on the book. We're going to talk about that a little bit. But we have to -- I don't think I've ever met a secret weapon. What does it feel like to be the secret weapon?

K. PAUL: You know, it was obviously very flattering to be called that, but it's a little awkward answering that question, right? I was teasing one of my kids, and I said, "I just hope I don't see a headline that says 'secret weapon bombs'."

BERMAN: So, you know, when I read about you and when I see your book, I'm like, I know this marriage. I mean, this marriage seems very familiar to me. I mean, he moves to Kentucky because of you. He stops -- he changes his name from Randy to Rand, essentially because of you.

But at the same time, you know, he goes ahead and runs for president, even though perhaps, maybe you're not so into it. It has this incredible give and take that I think a lot of us can identify with.

K. PAUL: Yes. Like any marriage, we both support each other 100 percent. But there's give and take. And it is -- it was a process for me to get used to the media spotlight. I mean, we spent 20 years in a small town, and we still live in Bolling Green, Kentucky. And it's, you know, a very comfortable life as a small-town doctor. And then suddenly being sort of thrust into this media glare was, you know, a bit of a challenge for me four years ago.

PEREIRA: Well, and I want to ask you about that, because it's not -- every marriage, as John was alluding to, in his own marriage and any relationship, you encounter stuff. Right? Whether it's an illness or elderly parents or whatever. This is kind of a different thing.

A, it's by choice. But B, it really thrusts you into a limelight that is unlike any other and your family, too.

K. PAUL: Right.

PEREIRA: What were the discussions leading up to? Was it sort of "Let's make a list"? How did you guys come to the decision together?

K. PAUL: I'm a big list maker, so I actually did attempt that with Rand. I'm like, "Let's do the pros and cons." And he -- that's not really his personality.

So he's like, "Oh, come on, do we really have to write them down? Don't we know what they are?"

You know, I wouldn't say there was one moment that, you know, I really came around to the idea. This has obviously been a while coming. The last year we talked a lot. You know, every time our college sons were home, I would try to make sure that, like, I talked to them one-on- one, Rand talked to them one-on-one.

PEREIRA: How do they feel about it all?

K. PAUL: You know, they are excited about it. They're really proud of their dad. And I will say I think it's a great example for them in life to really be bold enough to withstand criticism and to put yourself out there for what you believe. And I'm really proud of Rand for that. And I think he does set a good example for our boys.

BERMAN: Let's talk about criticism, because he's, what, been in the race all of ten days? And already dealing with his share, as a candidate right now. I want to play you a couple of the interviews that people are talking about right now.

K. PAUL: I bet I know which one.

BERMAN: I'm sure you do. But I want to ask you specifically about them. So let's play them. This is your husband talking to CNBC and also "The Today Show."

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SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let me finish -- hey, hey, hey, Kelly, let me finish.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry. Go ahead.

R. PAUL: Shh. Calm down a bit here, Kelly.

Why don't we let me explain instead of talking over me, OK?

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW": Sure.

R. PAUL: Before we go through a litany of things you say I've changed on, why don't you ask me a question, have I changed my opinion?

GUTHRIE: Have you changed your opinion?

R. PAUL: That would be sort of a better way to approach an interview.

GUTHRIE: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BERMAN: So you just watched it again here. I'm sure you've seen it before. When you see the shushing right there as we play the video, what do you think?

K. PAUL: You know, I see his frustration in trying to, you know, not have his ideas represented -- misrepresented. And being eager to get into the conversation. Any time you see political pundits, they're all trying to jump in. And I think that he was trying to do that.

It's not anything about women. I think he would have responded to a man exactly the same way.

PEREIRA: You can see how -- as a woman you can see -- in fact, I'm wondering if you would have -- if that had not been your husband and had seen that, would you bristle at the fact that he's sort of hushing?

K. PAUL: You know, it doesn't bother me that it's a woman. Again, I think that he would have responded to a male journalist in the same way.

PEREIRA: Good point.

[07:25:05] K. PAUL: Now again, you can make the argument you need to be smoother. You don't need to be abrupt with people. You're trying to, you know, win over people for your ideas. And I think that's legitimate.

But it does bother me that suddenly I'm reading headlines that, you know, does Rand have a problem with woman -- women? Because one of the things I tried to point out yesterday that a lot of people might not know about Rand is that his long-time partner in his ophthalmology practice is a female surgeon. They worked together for over ten years in a two-person practice together and had a great relationship.

And if you know anything about medicine, your -- you know, your surgical partner is your key person in your business and professional life. And you have to trust them and respect them. And she's a big supporter of his still.

So his entire career has been working with strong women. I'm a strong woman. His family is filled with really incredible role models. I don't know if you've read the forward of my book.

PEREIRA: Yes, the book.

K. PAUL: He writes a lot about his grandmother and his mother.

BERMAN: Both of your grandmothers sort of remarkable ladies.

PEREIRA: Yes. I want to talk about that. It's really kind of a beautiful book. I was sharing with you beforehand I'm the beneficiary of some strong females and a lot of strong women in my family and in my circle. Why did you decide to write this book? And why did you write it now? Do you think maybe it was one of those things that you're thinking, "Look, I know what's coming ahead, and I'm going to lean on these women in my life."

K. PAUL: Well, you know, when you talk about politics and life bringing you some unexpected things, in many ways politics did bring this to me. Because right after Rand was elected, I was asked to give speeches, you know, around the state in Kentucky. And I really wasn't comfortable with political issue speeches.

I wanted to write about the person that embodied the American spirit for me, and for me that was immediately my grandmother. She had a profound influence on me as a young girl. And she had this incredible optimism and work ethic. And she was a larger than life personality.

And so for me I have these strong memories, but as I grew older and my mom started sharing with me just how difficult my grandmother's life was. Coming to this country at age 19 with just a little bit of money sewn into her clothes. I mean, she was an Irish immigrant. She was the daughter of an invalid who had been gassed by the Germans in World War I.

And her family had no money. She had to quit school at 12 years old to go to work. And her aunt saved enough money to bring her to the United States. And she started working as a live-in maid for the founders of the Saks Fifth Avenue store.

PEREIRA: Wow.

K. PAUL: And so her years working as a maid in New York, you know, exposed her to all these wealthy families. So she had incredible style and love of home decor. And she just embodied for me the idea of your outside circumstance doesn't define who you are. And the importance of doing a job and doing it well is important. So when I wrote that speech, people would come up to me afterwards.

PEREIRA: How much it resonated with them.

K. PAUL: Well, just like you, they wanted to start telling me about their grandmother...

PEREIRA: Yes.

K. PAUL: ... or someone in their life. And so that's when I got the idea for the book to really explore who these people are in our lives. And who in other people's lives was like...

BERMAN: You talk about your group of friends here from college...

K. PAUL: Yes.

BERMAN: ... that you lean on when times are good and times are tough. Do you expect -- what do you expect you will be needing for them -- from them in the next several months, say, around Iowa?

K. PAUL: You know, they're amazing. And they've been there for me for 30-some years. And, you know, we're there for each other in good times and bad. They make me laugh, you know. Sometimes when things aren't going great I get a funny e-mail or a great phone call or something. They're here to celebrate with me. They're all coming to New York next week.

PEREIRA: They're coming to New York.

K. PAUL: We're doing a watch party, and they're all coming in, which is going to be an amazing experience to be together and celebrate.

PEREIRA: Have you had the conversation with them? Because I mean, potentially -- we're sitting here talking to someone who potentially could be the first lady of the United States.

BERMAN: They're all thinking have you met her, right?

PEREIRA: Have you had that conversation, or have they brought it up with you about what that will look like and how that will impact your relationship and your friendships with them?

K. PAUL: You know, I don't know if they're thinking that. I'm certainly not. I'm still a little stunned that we started on this journey. And I consider it a marathon.

PEREIRA: You really want to have that conversation with your girls.

K. PAUL: You know, we've had some laughs over just the improbability of things and the improbability of life in many ways. This is certainly not something that I ever expected for myself and I don't think they expected from me.

BERMAN: I don't want to let you go. We asked about, you know, some of the troubles your husband has had on the campaign so far. He's also had some successes. But there is a big, I think, scandal arising right now, a revelation in a CNN interview, and I need some explanation here. He cuts his own hair? He's a senator.

PEREIRA: You're a little jealous of this.

BERMAN: This man is a U.S. senator, and he cuts his own hair? K. PAUL: It's terrible, I know. He does. He's -- Rand is -- you

might have picked up he's a little bit of an impatient person with things. He just...

PEREIRA: Is that what this is about? It's not frugality?

K. PAUL: No, it is not frugality. He doesn't really like to make appointments for things. And so yes, routinely -- I mean, he has very curly hair and I'll go in the bathroom and he's just sort of standing there kind of giving it a sort of little go-around (ph).

PEREIRA: Really? He has beautiful hair.

K. PAUL: He does have nice hair. You know, a lot of people give me grief about his hair, but I think he has great hair.

PEREIRA: What about the mock turtlenecks, do they give you grief about that?

K. PAUL: Yes, people give him...

PEREIRA: You've struggled with that a little bit.

K. PAUL: It wasn't my favorite look for him. But you know, you just have to let him be who he is.

PEREIRA: Absolutely.

BERMAN: I thought Cuomo was the only guy who cut his own hair. But now...