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Why Did Police Van Make Undisclosed Stop?; Police Clash with Protesters in Philadelphia; Report: Freddie Gray Suffered Head Injury in Van. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

[05:58:15] CHRIS CUOMO, CO-HOST: Anger spikes after documents are leaked in the investigation into Freddie Gray's death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why was he a suspect? Why was he chased? Why was he detained?

Freddie Gray did not sever his own spinal cord.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: New claims in the death of Freddie Gray.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody in the police department knew about this stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We must allow the process to go forward.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: America's failing America.

STEPHANIE RAWLINGS-BLAKE, MAYOR OF BALTIMORE: We will get justice for Freddie Gray. Believe you me, we will get justice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are misfits in the city of Baltimore that we call home.

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CUOMO: Quick prompter.

Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Friday, May 1, 6 a.m. in the east. Mickey is in New York, Alisyn is off and I'm live in Baltimore where there are two big developments that have spiked anger in the streets about what may have happened while Freddie Gray was in police custody, resulting in his death a week later from a severed spine.

Police admitting the van transporting Gray made a previously unknown second stop while taking him to the police station last month. The report's being kept under wraps, but leaked details suggest Freddie Gray suffered a massive head injury after hitting his head in the back of that van. An autopsy report is expected to reach the state attorney's office as early as today.

A lot of questions and a lot of anger as a result of this. CNN covering this story the way only we can, especially as angry people were sent once again into the streets of Baltimore, and we were there.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All night!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All day! We will fight for Freddie Gray!

CUOMO (voice-over): Anger spikes after documents are leaked in the investigation into Freddie Gray's death.

(on camera): It feels a little different tonight.

(voice-over): The passion in the streets of Baltimore overnight spilling onto intersections across the country. Despite a few tense moments in Philadelphia, when protesters try entering a highway, voices rage, but protests are mostly peaceful.

(on camera): The police are sitting here and watching this. So it's about a balance.

(voice-over): Officers understanding the outrage in Baltimore, saying they'll only interfere if public safety really becomes an issue. Once again the 10 p.m. curfew nears.

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D), MARYLAND: We are getting ready to leave this area.

CUOMO: Once again, Congressman Elijah Cummings on the streets telling protesters to go home.

CUMMINGS (singing): ... I'm going to let it shine.

CUOMO: And once again people, for the most part, respond.

(on camera): They're going to ask people to go home. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please move to the side.

CUOMO: As the police line closes in on the few deciding to stay, one man, agitating the line, enveloped by police. Disappearing behind the shields, handcuffed and taken away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How is it possible for me, if I'm strapped down in a police wagon with my hands tied, do I sever my own spine?

CUOMO: Two new points of contention: that Gray's deadly injuries were caused when he slammed into the back of the van, apparently breaking his neck, according to CNN affiliate WJLA, which spoke to multiple law enforcement officials briefed on the medical examiner's findings. Sources telling WJLA the head injury matches a bolt in the back of the prison van.

Police also reveal the fatal trip after Gray's arrest included yet another stop. Apparently, they did not know it happened until recently, when it was discovered not from police but a privately owned camera on the streets of Baltimore, raising new questions about Gray's treatment after his arrest.

COMMISSIONER ANTHONY BATTS, BALTIMORE POLICE DEPARTMENT: People are jumping to conclusions. I think it's unfortunate that these little things are coming out. And I think that's inappropriate. I think people should take a deep breath and wait for the state's attorney.

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CUOMO: The commissioner not only on scene last night where we were, but he was actually directing the police activity there. Interesting and different than other nights.

Now, a bolt in the van could be what? The keyword is what caused Freddie Gray's injuries, but how did it happen? And cops not mentioning an additional stop by the van. The cops who were involved. But the investigators did figure it out.

So what does all this mean for the search for fairness and answers? We have CNN's Evan Perez, who has more on the investigation. He's actually joining us from the location of that previously undisclosed police stop -- Evan.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris. That's right. We're here at Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue in West Baltimore. And this is the location of that private surveillance camera that police only recently discovered, actually last Friday. It's right up here, at a store that was looted subsequently to police finding out that there was this video. Luckily, they got it off the store owner's computer.

He told CNN yesterday that he had no idea that this video was going to play an integral role in this investigation.

Now, as you mentioned, the investigation took another turn as we discovered from WJLA, our affiliate in Washington, that the medical examiner has another theory as to what perhaps might have happened to Freddie Gray. And that is the fatal head injury might have occurred when he struck his head in the back of a van.

Now, what they discovered is that, according to this report -- is that the -- there's a metal bolt in the back of the van that matches injury in the back of his head. And so that is what leads investigators to believe that that might have caused the fatal blow, Chris, Michaela.

CUOMO: All right.

PEREIRA: All right, Evan, thank you so much. Chris, our thanks to you as well. We'll be back to you in a moment.

Want to talk about the demonstrations, more of them taking place around the nation in solidarity with Baltimore. Tense moments and arrests as demonstrators took to the streets in Philadelphia. More is on tap for today.

Let's get to CNN's Rosa Flores for more details on what we can expect over the weekend, as well.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.

Protesters turning up the heat around the country. Take a look. More protests in Philadelphia and Cincinnati, all in solidarity with Baltimore.

Now, I want to take you to the streets of Philadelphia. Check this out. The demonstration there started off very peacefully, but take a look at the tussle. It starts to create some tension, and here is where the tension just boils over.

Now, this is where demonstrators are trying to get onto I-95. Police are saying no way, not going to happen. Now, that escalates the situation. You see those police officers clustering and also demonstrators raising their hands and starting to chant.

At the end of the day, about two people were arrested in Philadelphia.

We move on to Cincinnati. The situation more orderly there. You can see that demonstrators on the streets. It all started off with a list of speakers. And it ended with marchers heading towards police headquarters.

[06:05:14] But it's not over, not by the long shot. Take a look at this. We've got more protests today. And because it's International Workers Day, all of the groups around the country that are demonstrating for immigration rights and for workers' rights are now broadening their mission and adding "black lives matter," as well. And this is how the First Amendment is working right here in the United States -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Rosa, thank you very much. So what does this all mean from the family's perspective?

Everybody wants answers, but the family deserves them. And Mary Cook is part of their legal team and also brings a lot of experience as a prosecutor here in Baltimore.

Mary, thank you for being here this morning.

MARY KOCH, ATTORNEY FOR FREDDIE GRAY'S FAMILY: Good morning.

CUOMO: Let's unpack what we know. One headline, they did it a day early, they gave it to the prosecutor's office. It's now her case. Being early, giving it to the prosecutor but not revealing it to the public, you OK with all of that?

KOCH: I'm not OK with all of that. But I think there are some things that they could have released to the public. I think there's information that ordinarily they would release, so at least people would have some sense of the timeline and some sense of transparency, while still not affecting the ability to do a fair and thorough investigation.

CUOMO: One of the things they did reveal is there was a previously undisclosed stop by the van. Now, I think that's a nice way of saying, "We found out that our guys didn't tell us something, but we wound up catching it anyway."

KOCH: Right.

CUOMO: So there's two things there. One, how did the cops not tell them that there was a stop? And two, does it give you a nod of confidence that they picked it up by doing an outer investigation?

KOCH: It gives me a nod of confidence that they went out and they looked for all these videotapes. I think I told you before, I read the "Sun" article where there were some places they went for videotape where the videotape had already -- the loop was gone, and so they couldn't get that. That concerns me, that that wasn't done right away, because they knew how Freddie Gray's condition was at the Western District the day he was arrested.

But putting that to the side, yes. They did -- they found that information. Unusual that you would not have a transmission. I think I've said this before: the wagon man is usually driving the wagon by himself. He doesn't have any other officers with him. He's transporting the prisoners.

If he would have stopped -- or what they consider to be the prisoners, the suspects -- if they would have stopped that van for some reason, there should have been a radio transmission, because he is by himself. And protocol would dictate that you would let somebody know you're stopping the van and why you're stopping the van.

CUOMO: You're putting it all on the driver. What about the other cops involved? When asked about this, we know five out of six gave statements on April 12. They didn't mention this extra stop. Does that mean anything, or does it mean nothing? KOCH: Well, the only thing I can say is for sure the driver's

with the van. Who else is accompanying the van as the van is taking this route from the place in which Freddie Gray was arrested to the place in which he was, to the Western District, the place the van was stopped? I don't know that, because that information hasn't been released.

But I know the driver had to be there. So the driver I know was there; anyone else I don't know. But I find it highly unusual he would not have transmitted from radio his position and his reason for the stop.

CUOMO: If the leak is to be believed, it was a bolt in the back of the van that is what -- shapes up with the injury on the back of Freddie Gray's neck that could have given him the spinal injury. Do you accept that?

KOCH: No.

CUOMO: Because?

KOCH: Because I haven't seen the medical examiner's report. And the medical examiner is charged with determining the manner and the cause of death. Manner being is it homicide, is it suicide, is it accidental? Cause being what caused it. For example, heart attack is the cause of death; manner of death then would be natural. That's what the medical examiner does. And they haven't finished doing that.

CUOMO: The medical examiner, in fact, reportedly says, "We don't do preliminary findings." You know, somewhat rejecting the assertion of the leak.

KOCH: Correct. And we all know that the medical examiner had not completed their examination of the spine and the brain. And they needed to do that. And so I understand that it is protocol for police officer to be present when the initial autopsy is done. I don't know that it's protocol when you get down to doing the brain and the spine that you would have an officer there, because the chain of custody issue is not -- is no longer an issue.

CUOMO: Even if it were all true, and you have to throw some shade on that because the medical examiner doesn't seem to like this allegation about what it released, it doesn't say how it happened.

KOCH: Absolutely not.

CUOMO: It just says what it was. We don't know -- you put together the extra stop. Why were people angry last night? Extra stop. It was a bolt in the van but they're not told how it happened to Freddie, makes people angry. Makes it seem like you're telling them everything except what they really want to know.

KOCH: So -- OK, so one of those things, problems with that is that's the problem with bits of information coming out. Because then people attempt to gap-fill. Try to read the tea leaves from what else is going on. And we just don't know until we see that. And I agree. I mean, just because there was -- even if you

believe the allegation that it was a bolt, no one knows how Freddie Gray got into contact with that. and he died from what -- it's a serious violent injury. It takes a lot of force to create an injury to the spine like he suffered from. And so it doesn't bear on the issue of how it occurred. Even if that's the implement that we can accept that.

[06:10:10] CUOMO: If the investigation, which is the yield of a black police commissioner, a black state attorney here, the prosecutor, a black mayor, and it comes this thick and it says, "Here's what happened. Freddie Gray got jostled around, sure. But he was able to walk in. He banged his head because he was angry and he was thrashing and they had to shackle him. And the extra stop was because we had to go back there again because he was so violent. And the other guy heard it on the other side. And he bashed his neck, he caused the injuries. He crushed his own larynx, and we didn't take as care of it as well as we should have and that's how he died."

That is a plausible explanation of which way they seem to be going. Would you accept it?

KOCH: I wouldn't accept anything without having reviewed all the evidence on my own.

CUOMO: Do you think you could be convinced of that with proof?

KOCH: You know, it's hard to say because I haven't seen anything. I've heard innuendo. I've heard speculation. I haven't seen any evidence. It would take a lot for me to believe, given the medical injuries that Freddie Gray suffered. Ultimately, it would take a lot for me to believe that he would have done that to himself.

CUOMO: Have you ever heard in your years as an attorney and as a prosecuting attorney of somebody giving themselves those types of injuries?

KOCH: No. And I think that it would be extremely difficult and would have to be under very specific circumstances. And none of those circumstances do I believe would have existed in that van.

CUOMO: When you were a prosecutor, did you give families of victims, even if they were suspect victims, more information than the Grays are getting right now?

KOCH: When I had the information and I had a chance to review the information. Because you never want to have a conversation with a family and not know what's in your file. So you have to not only receive the information, you have to digest it, decide what you accept and what you don't accept, what needs to be investigated and what doesn't need to be investigated.

And then you have that conversation when you're speaking from a place of intelligence, of knowledge and when you're sort of at the point where you're starting to form your own conclusions and can give people an idea of what's going to happen going forward. CUOMO: Now, I brought up the race of the police commissioner, of

the attorney, of the mayor, because this is one of the aspects we're told is relevant. That people in these communities, if they are predominantly African-American, they would rather have African- Americans as their leaders, because they believe there's some type of comity there, some type of understanding of one another. So you have that situation here.

Have these leaders reached out to the Gray family? Because that's very often the case, that they will reach out to the family of the person who's dead here and kind of do it with them step by step almost as a proxy. Has that happened with the Gray family?

KOCH: The Gray family has -- we have -- there has not been routine meetings with the government and the Gray family.

CUOMO: Why?

KOCH: I think part of it is because they are not -- they're not really answers anybody can give. The Gray family is grieving. The Gray family wants to know what answers are. They don't want to know what speculation is. I think we've said that all along.

CUOMO: Right, but to be fair, though, that could be two things. One is they're reaching out to the Gray family, and the Gray family is saying, "Don't come to us until you've got answers. The other implication is that they're not reaching out enough to the Gray family.

KOCH: That's not true. Because the Gray family did meet with the Justice Department.

CUOMO: ok.

KOCH: The Justice Department, both civil and criminal. The Justice Department met with the Gray family to let them know -- you know, introduce themselves and let them know that, you know, they're going to be full -- and they're going to thoroughly investigate this.

So I don't think that that's true. And I think that everyone is trying to move forward. I don't think anybody is attempting to disregard the Grays in the process.

CUOMO: And it's -- and it's important to note, because it goes to the integrity of process and how it's being done, as well. And we do know that the Gray family has once again said this weekend -- you have the weekend coming. You have good weather coming. You have more fuel for the fire that just came out. Don't be violent. You know, if you want to voice your outrage, do it. But if you want to respect Freddie, don't do it violently.

Mary KOCH:, thank you very much. This conversation is going to continue. Thank you for helping us understand the family's perspective.

KOCH: Thank you, have a great day. CUOMO: You too -- Mick.

PEREIRA: All right, Chris. We'll head back to Baltimore, but let's give you a look at your other headlines this morning.

American commercial vessels in the Strait of Hormuz will now get escorts from U.S. Navy warships. This is due to concerns that Iranian military ships could try to seize those ships days after they seized a ship flagged with the -- from the Marshall Islands. Defense officials say they will accompany all U.S. vessels through the Persian Gulf if necessary. Pentagon sources telling CNN avoiding a confrontation with Iran is a high priority with nuclear talks at a very sensitive stage.

The death toll in Nepal earthquake is now soaring to over 6,200 lives. The number of people injured close to 14,000. Crews are having a very difficult time reaching villages in dire need of aid. We have some horrifying images here captured by a drone that was sent in by a CNN crew. You can see the region, Shafu (ph), hit hard by a mudslide. It's blocked all road travel to at least 26 villages that are still in severe need of assistance.

[06:15:04] Back here at home a big get for Chicago. Sources say it's been selected as the future home of the Barack Obama Presidential Library and Museum. The president's former chief of staff, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, led the lobbying effort. Chicago beating out New York where Columbia University had been considered for the future attraction.

All right. You're probably counting down to the weekend. I know we are here at NEW DAY. So let's see what the weather has in store for us. Our meteorologist Chad Myers is taking a look at that.

I see some blue. I'm OK with that.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: That's OK. Because we are not counting down to the weekend. We are counting down to summer.

PEREIRA: Of course.

MYERS: Maybe not on the calendar, but 80 degrees not out of the question for Saturday and Sunday. Now, the clouds and the rain for today may slow down D.C., may slow Charlotte a little bit. The airports, 15, 30 minutes. But other than that, this all goes away. The low moves away. High moves in. Sunshine comes out and a sunny weekend all the way from Maine all the way back to Denver.

Look at our temperatures for D.C. On Monday all the way to 84. We literally go from what's kind of spring, and we jump right into summer all at once. And you know what? It was such a long winter I don't think anybody's complaining about that.

It is Derby weekend. Oaks Day today, sunshine everywhere. Saturday, same story. Sunshine, a couple clouds in the afternoon. High of 74. The Derby will be dry.

Back to you. PEREIRA: Well, that's what those mint juleps come in handy for.

Did I just say that? That's a little early or that, isn't it? All right, Chad. Thanks so much.

MYERS: You're welcome.

PEREIRA: Let's head back to Baltimore and Chris -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Mick, thank you very much.

As we've been saying, there are new developments in the investigation here in Baltimore. And there could be a key to the case in play now, as well. We'll tell you why.

And I don't know if you heard about this, but you need to. Sanjay Gupta is in Nepal showing what separates him from the rest of us. You want to see how to save a life? Then go nowhere.

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[06:21:02] PEREIRA: Good to have you back with us here on NEW DAY on this Friday. New information released by the Baltimore Police Department about those moments after Freddie Gray was taken into custody. Police Commissioner Anthony Batts revealing the police van transporting Gray made an undisclosed stop, right there, a second stop, for unknown reasons. Why is this coming to light 19 days after his arrest?

Here to discuss all the developments, Midwin Charles. She's a criminal defense attorney. Mo Ivory also joins us, an attorney and radio host. Ladies, happy Friday. Good to have you.

So much for us to sort of walk through. We figured it would be nice to have some of these images to talk us through it.

So I want to talk about the timeline. Mo, we know that Freddie Gray had his first encounter with police at 8:39. However, if you look ahead, he wasn't brought into the trauma center until 10 a.m. What really sticks out to you in this timeline when you see it all laid out like this?

MO IVORY, ATTORNEY/RADIO HOST: Well, obviously all of the gaps in the parts that we don't know what happened, where there is no video, where we do not have any witnesses to say this is what we think happens. And then we now find out yesterday that there was another stop that they failed to discuss.

PEREIRA: Uh-huh.

IVORY: Really, Michaela? At the end of the day, all of that time says to anybody -- not just investigators, not just prosecutors, not defense attorneys -- that there was something that happened that left a man who was otherwise healthy upon that first arrest in the 8 o'clock timeframe to 10 o'clock, where he ends up with a severed spine. So it's very troubling that all of these days later, almost --

we're coming upon three weeks almost, that we would now find out that there was another stop that has never been discussed before. It only continues to deteriorate people's confidence that the truth could come from the police officers.

PEREIRA: Midwin, let's take a look at this. So at 8:46 we know that he was shackled. OK.

MIDWIN CHARLES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right.

PEREIRA: So we see that happening. And then we fast forward somewhere to along in here, 9:11. Some 13 minutes or so. We know that -- not the second prisoner. I don't want to get to that. Sorry. Let me get rid of that. Bring it here. It's then heading to central booking.

So there's these gaps in here that we know. And we also know about this -- I can't make it go away. I'm so sorry. We know about these gaps in here and this second undisclosed stop previously. How concerning is that to you as an attorney?

CHARLES: It's concerning to me as an attorney, because what it indicates is a police department that doesn't necessarily follow police procedure. So not only did they not disclose this stop, but remember, Freddie Gray was not put in a seat belt when he was put into the back of that van. So here you have two sort of issues that are glaring to me.

PEREIRA: Interesting we just heard the family attorney talk about the fact that she knows what she believes to be protocol is for the van driver to be solo in that vehicle. She also believed it to be protocol for that van driver to transmit a call to dispatch to say, "I'm making this stop. I'm stopping here. I have to get gas. I have to restrain" -- that call wasn't made for the second stop.

CHARLES: Right. It wasn't made for that stop. And we also know that Freddie Gray requested medical assistance several times.

PEREIRA: That's not unusual. Suspects will say, "Hey, I'm hurt, I'm hurt, I'm hurt," when sometimes they're just crying wolf, right, Mo?

CHARLES: Yes, but you're still supposed to deal with it.

IVORY: Sure, in fact. Absolutely. And also, Michaela, I want to make the point that there is the officer who refuses to speak, to invoke the right of self-incrimination. It's, in fact, the driver.

PEREIRA: It's the driver of that van?

IVORY: Yes, it's the driver of that van. And I think that that's crucial to, you know, trying to put together what -- you know, listen. A lot of people are saying, "Well, you know, he hit the back of his head. He was thrashing himself. There was -- the bolt matches, you know, the injury." Well, it seems that, if it was that simple, if that is truly what

happened, why didn't that just come out? Why didn't they just say that? Why is the driver afraid to speak? Or, you know, not reserving all of his legal protections?

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[06:25:09] PEREIRA: Hold on, Mo. Midwin, can they compel him to give his account of what happened?

CHARLES: No. He does have a Fifth Amendment right against self- incrimination.

PEREIRA: All right. Let's look at the timeline again. Because this is the part that I do want to get to.

We know a second prisoner is added to the wagon. OK? And then we fast forward to this is the time that the medic's called, 9:26. Nine twenty-six, when this initial incident, the takedown which some have said the takedown is potentially where he could have incurred that injury, 8:39 to 9:26.

CHARLES: Almost an hour.

PEREIRA: Almost an hour.

CHARLES: Almost an hour. And one of the things that is disconcerting is we see in the video a man in pain, a man who could barely walk. So the police officers who sort of had initially restrained him were on notice that this is someone who is in pain.

PEREIRA: Mo, I want to ask you real quick this witness, do you buy his story? What do you think?

IVORY: Absolutely not. I mean, there's contradicting statements all over the place.

PEREIRA: Yes, yes.

IVORY: But all of a sudden now there's the prisoner who had no visibility to Freddie Gray, only what he was hearing. And we find out that he's in prison. And right now, you know, how do we know he didn't make a deal? How many...

PEREIRA: That's a good point. That's a good point.

IVORY: So many days later he's now saying, "I heard him self -- I heard him inflicting injury, intentional injury upon himself." How do you know what his intent was if you could not even see him?

CHARLES: My point is I've practiced criminal defense for 16 years. I have yet to come across a criminal suspect use the words thrashing about.

PEREIRA: It's not in their terminology?

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PEREIRA: Let's look really quickly, because we know there's a lot of things that we know and a lot of things we don't know. And we have to stay within facts. We know the state's attorney has received the police investigation. What we still don't know, and this is what you take issue with.

CHARLES: All the time.

PEREIRA: Why was Freddie stopped initially at all?

CHARLES: All the time police officers need probable cause in order to stop a U.S. citizen. And time and time again, we see that sort of just being thrown out of the window with these cases.

PEREIRA: All right, Mo, something else. Near complete timeline of events. We seem to have it. We looked through it. It's a much more complete look at what happened, but we don't know. And that's the point that you were bringing up: why did that second stop occur?

And then the last point, the medical examiner, Mo, we know is going to be delivering that report soon. But we still don't know. And this is the thing that you come back to, why did Freddie die? Final thought from you, Mo.

IVORY: Yes, exactly. And there's so much -- there's so much that we don't know. And also there are inconsistent statements by the police commissioner, who at first said that there was no way that Freddie Gray was injured while in custody of the officers. Then came back and said, "Well, we know that he was injured when he got into the van after the shackles were on his legs and he was screaming out for help."

Now it's like, "Oh, no, he was injured with self-infliction once he was in the van." It's so inconsistent.

PEREIRA: We will leave it. That's the issue. There are so many questions and so much we don't know. We still have to work to find out the truth. Hopefully more information will be coming. Midwin, Mo, we appreciate it.

You can give us a tweet about your thoughts; #NewDayCNN is the hashtag you want to use.

So the former mayor of Baltimore and potential presidential contender under fire. Critics putting some of the blame on Martin O'Malley for this week's looting and rioting. Did his policies ten years ago trigger the tension we're witnessing now?

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