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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An attempted terrorist attack was foiled.

[05:58:23] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is more than just inspiration, more than just a lone wolf.

PHILIP MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: We have individuals who have never been part of a group but, just because of the ideology, I'm going to invest in a weapon and attack.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baltimore's police commissioner was kept out of the loop by the prosecutor.

COMMISSIONER ANTHONY BATTS, BALTIMORE POLICE DEPARTMENT: I can say I was probably surprised, you know, by the information that I heard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The D.A.'s office absolutely has no trust whatsoever with the police commissioner or its department.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will fight for comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship.

CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think she's pandering, and we need to secure the border.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

CHRIS CUOMO, CO-HOST: Welcome to our viewers here in the U.S. and around the world. You're watching NEW DAY. And we do have breaking news. The co-pilot who crashed Germanwings Flight 9525 into the French Alps rehearsed his suicide mission earlier in the day. This according to the German tabloid "Bild," quoting sources close to the investigation.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CO-HOST: So we expect French investigators to release their interim report at any moment on that crash that killed 150 people in March. But we already have some stunning findings from that report. Let's get right to CNN senior international correspondent Frederik Pleitgen. He is live in London with all of the breaking details. What do we know, Fred?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, guys, and it's exactly how Chris says. This is information we have according to the "Bild" newspaper in Germany, which we know has had some very good leads on this story as the investigation went on in the earlier part right after the crash. And they're now reporting that they've had access to this BEA report and have some findings from it.

And of course, the most interesting one of them is, is that this pilot, Andreas Lubitz, might very well have practiced the descent that he later then conducted on those mountains while he was on the outbound flight.

So remember, this crash happened on the flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf in Germany. Earlier that day, he and the pilot, the captain of that flight, flew from Dusseldorf to Barcelona. And apparently, during that flight, there were several changes of altitude with no reason aeronautically to perform those changes in altitude, and that's why it seems as though, if this report is accurate, he might very well have been practicing what he then later in the day did during that outbound flight.

And of course, one of the things that we've been talking about, as this investigation moved forward, is how premeditated was all of this. We know that he had flight simulator on his laptop, that he practiced descending there. We know that he was looking into -- into ways to commit suicide. That's also something the investigation has told us. We know that he had mental health issues, as well. The big question is how meticulous was his planning. And certainly, if it turns out that, indeed, he was practicing this with an airplane full of passengers that, of course, makes the premeditated nature of all of this just so much more clear.

CUOMO: Certainly very scary, right, Fred? But it's easy to say. It's going to be a little tricky to prove. Do me a favor: Stay with us, because you understand the story so well. And let's bring in Mary Schiavo, CNN aviation analyst and former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Mary, let's try and understand this a little bit. Fred reports there were changes in altitude in this earlier flight that this co- pilot and pilot took. What does that mean, and how much of a range of change could you have without sending off warning signals?

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, that's exactly right, Chris. And the warning signals would have come in many forms. For example, to change your altitude in this very busy corridor -- the E.U.'s extremely busy in terms of flights in those areas -- they would have had to get -- have gotten permission from air traffic control. Presumably that the pilot was in the cockpit, there would have been some reason for doing this. If it wasn't an aeronautical reason -- you weren't experiencing turbulence; you didn't have to do it because of air-traffic control; air-traffic controllers did not ask you to do it -- then there would be some sort of concoction why this fellow would want to do it. He'd want to practice his descents and climbs. There's lots of reasons for it, but it should have set off alarm

bells if it was done repeatedly. "I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that."

He didn't have a lot of hours; he had 600 hours. So presumably, he could have had a cover story that he wanted to practice, but it is very strange. Ordinarily, you fly your assigned altitude, and you stick to it in your most direct way to your route.

CUOMO: All right. Mary, let me put your understanding and Fred's reporting on the same question.

Fred, the obvious question's going to be why would you have to practice crashing? Have you figured anything else out yet from the reporting yet about what is their suspicion, their information-fueled suspicion that you would need to rehearse this? Where do they get that?

PLEITGEN: Well, it's a very good question. And certainly, one of the things that they'll be looking at is was he trying to do this in a way that maybe it wouldn't have been noticed that quickly? It did appear as though, when the initial descent started on the doomed flight, that it took the captain a little bit of time to find out in the situation that he was in, that he'd been locked out of the cockpit, that this plane was in a descent that -- that obviously would be fatal.

In the end, the question is, was he trying to give himself as much time as possible to cover everything up? Those are all questions, obviously, that the investigators are looking at.

However, the report, which by the way, has just come online, and we are going to go through it at this point in time, this interim report, it states more facts. It's less about making assumptions. But it is something that states a lot of fact.

And we're going to look and see how clear it is whether or not he actually did practice that during that flight. But they certainly -- it seems as though there were some very, very interesting things happening even on that outbound flight that this newspaper says could very well indicate that he was trying to test the waters in all this.

CUOMO: All right. Helpful. Helpful, Fred.

So, Mary, some more information. Reuters is saying that the report is out and that it shows that the pilot ignored a dozen contacts from authorities during the ill-fated flight, which makes sense he'd be ignoring it. But also that he set the autopilot to 100 feet -- the automatic altimeter -- five different times during the earlier flight. What does that mean to you?

SCHIAVO: Well, that's very alarming. While you've got a plane load full of passengers and you put your autopilot to 100 feet, again over a very busy corridor in Europe, there's just no reason to do that. And you have to wonder what was the pilot doing. Presumably the pilot in command was following this. And that flight, he wasn't out of the cockpit.

[06:05:07] And if he was out of the cockpit -- and the BEA report will have all this in it -- that they've just released whether or not the pilot in command was present, he was out of the cockpit and went unnoticed, that's highly significant and that to me would be very, very suspicious that, indeed, it was practiced. If he was in the pilot -- in the cockpit, presumably there was a cover story. But setting the autopilot five times to 100 feet in that flight corridor makes no sense at all. You just wouldn't do it.

CUOMO: Now, while it is a window into the madness of this co- pilot, help us understand why would you need to practice crashing?

SCHIAVO: Well, you know, even the September 11 hijackers back 2001, the September 11, 2001, hijackers did -- you know, they did walk-throughs. They walked around New York City. They had GPS. They did lots of various practices. They scoped out everything. They didn't do it just, you know, on one day; and there was, you know, weeks and months and years of practice.

So for him to do this, to see if he could do it, how much time it would take for him to descend the plane -- he would be checking the rate of descent. He would be checking what the plane felt like as he put it into the descent to see if perhaps he could get this plot going without the pilot in command being out of the cockpit actually noticing.

So there certainly are reasons to practice such a heinous crime. That doesn't surprise me that one would try to do that.

CUOMO: Slow to spread blame. Certainly slow to condemn. But as we're learning, if all this reporting is accurate, and he set it to 100 feet five times, he's ignoring these warnings, just setting that to 100 feet five times earlier, do you think down the road, Mary, there are going to be some questions of accountability on what type of watchdog there was on this flight in the air?

SCHIAVO: Right. And I think that's probably one of the most important things that come out -- can come out of this. And I know the loved ones of the persons onboard would want something to change because of this investigation. So the investigation will be looking for warning signs.

What can we learn so in the future when things similar to this happen. We know it's something to watch out for. And so that's one of the main reasons they'll be poring over every little detail, to find out the flags for the future.

CUOMO: Right. And on that subject, obviously, we cannot forget that we're talking about his rehearsal now, potential rehearsal. Mental illness loomed large here, and what happened with doctors and communication and the ability of family to know.

Fred, you've done so well digging in on that. Anything you learn about the report, let us know so we can come back to you.

Mary Schiavo, thank you very much -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. Another top story we're following: intelligence officials digging deeper into the web of clues left behind by two gunmen killed outside that Mohammed cartoon contest in Texas. One U.S. official says the attack was, quote, "more than just inspiration." For what that means, we go to CNN's Kyung Lah. She's live for us in the gunmen's hometown of Phoenix, Arizona.

What are we learning today, Kyung?

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Alisyn. ISIS may be claiming responsibility for the attack, but officials at this point believe that that may be just opportunistic. Right now, investigators are scrambling, trying to determine, were the gunmen simply trying to gain the attention and approval of an ISIS operative, or were they working with that operative to launch an attack?

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LAH (voice-over): This morning investigators on the hunt for any possible accomplices in the Garland, Texas, terror attack. The FBI scrubbing through the two deceased gunmen's electronics found in their Phoenix apartment, searching for any clues that may connect Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi to other terrorists in Phoenix and across the country.

But one law-enforcement official says investigators did know Simpson was openly communicating online with members of ISIS overseas and even opened a new investigation into both men in recent months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think from an intelligence standpoint, what's difficult is to move that quickly and to arrest him when it's not entirely clear that he's going to do it. And we have a lot of people on social media that are saying these kinds of things.

LAH: Simpson apparently had public exchanges on Twitter with this prominent British-born ISIS fighter. And a U.S.-born al-Shabaab fighter in Somalia, Mohammed Abdullah Hassan. Just a week before the attack Simpson tweeted in reference to the controversial event, "When will they ever learn?"

Hassan retweeted his tweet and later wrote, "The brothers from the Charlie Hebdo attack did their part. It's time for the brothers in the U.S. to do their part."

According to U.S. court documents Hassan traveled to Somalia in 2008 from Minneapolis to join the terrorist group al-Shabaab. Court records also suggest Simpson wanted to join the jihad in Somalia around the same time, but it is not known whether Simpson and Hassan knew each other.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: This is something that the United States government has been focused on in both of these issues, both in terms of foreign fighters, as well as efforts that are underway by extremists, including those inside ISIL to use social media to try to radicalize individuals and inspire them to carry out acts of violence.

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LAH: Now CNN is also learning that the guns who were -- that were used in the attack and also were found in the vehicle, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation, those guns were purchased legally.

[06:10:06] Back here in Phoenix, the officials who did scrub the apartment, well, the apartment was relatively barren, but there was a hard drive recovered. They're trying to get some material off of that, Michaela.

MICHAEL PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Kyung Lah, thank you very much.

The U.S. is willing to pay up to $20 million for some high-level ISIS targets. The State Department announcing huge bounties for information leading to four ISIS commanders. CNN senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh has the very latest for us live from Beirut -- Nick.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Michaela, what we're seeing here, of course, is a bit of a window onto who the U.S. think are the more important ISIS leaders.

We know they will offer $10 million if someone knows where al- Baghdadi, the ISIS leader is, but there are four others now in the frame. Seven million dollars for a man called Abd al-Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli. Now he, in fact, hasn't been much heard in public, has links back to Afghanistan, Pakistan and was in al Qaeda in the very beginnings of 2004 and stayed with it during the Iraqi insurgency. All that went onto become what we know as ISIS.

Two other names more public, a man better known as Omar the Chechen, Tarkhan Tayumurazovich Batirashvili. He's a key military leader who joined the Syrian rebels early on and then became more and more extremist to join ISIS. Five million dollars if you know where he is.

And $5 million if you know where ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammed al- Adnani is, as well. He's a very public figure, giving many of their statements.

And a fourth lesser known for $3 million, Tariq al-Harzi.

Now, of course, this came out just after ISIS claimed that Garland was somehow affiliated or their responsibility. I think investigators want to be sure that there are links, perhaps, to these key leaders and any prior planning of that attack. No sign of that at this stage.

There are so many ISIS fan-boys out there on Twitter, as they're known, exchanging those kind of messages you talked about earlier on. But it isn't the same as logistical help.

Back to you, Michaela and Alisyn. CAMEROTA: OK. Thanks, Nick. Thanks for all of that background.

We want to bring in now Phil Mudd to talk about all of this. He's our CNN counterterrorism analyst and a former CIA counterterrorism official.

Phil, great to see you this morning.

MUDD: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So apparently, one of these guys, one of the gunmen, Elton Simpson, left a Twitter trail a mile long.

MUDD: Yes.

CAMEROTA: He was communicating with ISIS fighters and calling for violence and just sort of stewing with them online. So what do investigators do with that?

MUDD: One of the challenges you have here is not just to look backward but to look forward. You're looking at a case, at this data to say, "Can I apply the knowledge I learn from this data to future cases to see if I can prevent this stuff?"

My answer, too, is I'm not sure that's going to work here. The numbers don't help you: 5,700 on average tweets per second going around the universe. And you want to look and sort through those and try to find the person who's not only angry, who's not only tweeting with ISIS, but who might turn a switch and become violent.

I'm afraid what we're going to find here is not just a trail of tweets but a trail of frustration, because you're going to say, "Can I come up with a pattern of activity that allows me to sort through the other several thousand cases in the United States to apply the lessons learned?"

I'm not sure what the lesson is. There's a lot of angry people here, and you can't tell which of them is going to switch overnight.

CAMEROTA: Well, one of the clues that's been unearthed by ABC News and their investigative team is that they found that he was in constant communication with this mysterious ISIS recruiter, a guy who goes by the name of Miski (ph) online. But he's also known as Mohammed Hasan. And that that's what we just saw in Kyung Lah's piece, where that recruiter said to Elton Simpson -- let me read it to you -- "Where are the warriors of this community?" Because they were talking about the Texas cartoon contest.

So "Where are the warriors? The brothers from the Charlie Hebdo attack did their part. It's time for the brothers in the U.S. to do their part." That's instruction, right?

MUDD: I wouldn't call it instruction, but I would call it the new wave of terrorism.

Loo, on 9-1-1 [SIC], that's a wholly owned al Qaeda plot by what we at the CIA call core al Qaeda. The al Qaeda guys in Afghanistan who trained, directed, paid, met with the 19 hijackers.

If you go forward, let's say, to 2009, remember the underwear bomber. He met with the al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen.

We go now to 2015, and we're talking about terror operations that are not wholly owned by al Qaeda, that are not owned by an affiliate but that just a conversation with a guy in Iraq or Syria who says, "Look, I don't need to meet you. I don't need to train you. But the universe of people out there who are interested should feel some obligation to attack."

One more comment on this and that is we look at this as a failed attack. That is not how ISIS would look at it, based on what you said. What they're trying to say is these two guys died in an effort to represent what they regard as the faith. If you don't get out and do the same thing, you should be ashamed that you don't have the courage of your convictions. They're going to try to portray this not as a failure but as a success, because they inspired people to act.

[06:15:10] CAMEROTA: But isn't it a failure? I mean, it's a pretty spectacular failure. They got out of the car, and they were shot dead. I mean...

MUDD: Heck no, it's not a failure.

CAMEROTA: So -- but Phil, so you don't see it as a failure either. Just the fact that they were inspired from thousands of miles away, that means it's a success, even though they weren't able to kill anyone.

MUDD: Correct. I mean, when I work at the agency, I'm paid to look at the world through the eyes of the adversary. This is what the adversary thinks. If we can't -- if we want to inspire a global revolution, we can't meet with pay, direct every person who might be part of this revolution. We need simply for them to get the kernel of an idea that leads them to act.

If they fail that's OK because somebody one state over or five states over will sit back, watch TV in their living room and say, "You know, I've been thinking about this for six months, and now I feel embarrassed because I don't have the courage to do what these guys did."

The other thing I'd say about this is I always learned to understand what the adversary thinks, you might want to look at what they say. If ISIS were embarrassed by this, they would not be out so prominently saying, "This is ours, we own it, despite the fact that they probably didn't even know who these guys were. This from their eyes is a success, because it could lead somebody else to act.

CAMEROTA: OK. Phillip Mudd, thanks so much for all of that insight.

MUDD: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Great to talk to you. Let's get over to Chris. CUOMO: We have more breaking news. This time out of Germany.

Four suspects arrested there on terror charges. Prosecutors say three men and a woman, all German nationals, formed an extremist right-wing terror group called the Old School Society. They stand accused of planning bomb attacks on mosques and Muslims.

PEREIRA: Baltimore's top cop speaking out to CNN in his first interview since Freddie Gray's death and making a rather surprising admission.

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COMMISSIONER ANTHONY BATTS, BALTIMORE POLICE DEPARTMENT: There is a lack of trust within this community. Period. Bottom line. And that's going to take healing. That's going to take us acknowledging as a police department, not just here in Baltimore but law enforcement as a whole, that we've been part of the problem.

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PEREIRA: Commissioner Anthony Batts also says he was surprised that six of his officers were charged in Gray's death.

In the meantime, Tuesday new attorney general, Loretta Lynch, met with police, community and city leaders, as well as meeting separately with Gray's family in Baltimore.

CAMEROTA: Wells Fargo accused of opening accounts at credit cards in customers names without those customers' permission. The alleged scheme was exposed when employees allegedly transferred money from customers' real accounts to pay fees on the fake ones. Why would they do this?

Well, a civil complaint suggests to meet unrealistic sales goals and quotas. Wells Fargo says it will defend itself from this suit, but it did not deny those accusations.

PEREIRA: Leave our money alone.

CUOMO: All right. Hillary Clinton's in the news, making a big announcement about her plans for immigration reform. She's calling out Republicans. Maybe this is the issue that wins her the White House.

CAMEROTA: And inside the mysterious world of North Korea, where does all that propaganda come from? The answer ahead.

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[06:21:35] CLINTON: I will fight for comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship for you and for your families across our country. I will fight to stop partisan attacks on the executive actions that would put DREAMers, including those with us today, at risk of deportation. And if Congress continues to refuse to act, as president, I would do everything possible under the law to go even further.

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CUOMO: Wait a minute, is that a real position she's talking about? Hillary Clinton finally putting something out there for voters to chew on. Forget Clintonian centrism.

CAMEROTA: Forget it.

CUOMO: She's going full izquierda. That's left in Espanol. Because she's moving to the left of her own party, suggesting a path to full and equal citizenship for the undocumented.

CAMEROTA: (SPEAKING SPANISH)

Here to weigh-in -- I'm actually confused. Here to weigh in, CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon; and CNN political commentator and Republican consultant Margaret Hoover.

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Am I the only one who speaks Spanish here? Izquierda.

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: The accent's a little rough there, Mr. Cuomo?

CUOMO: Really?

CAMEROTA: Let's get to the heart of the matter, which is she's gone further than any candidate, obviously, than even any politician prior to her. She's saying not just the DREAMers, their parents because she doesn't want to separate families, will be on a path to citizenship.

HOOVER: And that she's willing to do that through executive action, which by the way, President Obama had said over 20 times would be unconstitutional before he decided that he could find a way for it to be constitutional.

What she has done here is moved the entire center of gravity on the immigration debate to the left. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) give it up.

And I think what it does is first of all it's a win-win for her. It's great. It shores up the progressive left that always is concerned that she's not going to be far left enough. It shores up the Hispanics, who came after her in 2008, not for President Obama in the primaries.

And it puts the Republicans in a terrible position. Because even the most progressive Republican are still for secure the borders first. Then get in the back of the line. Then pay all your taxes. Then go home if you've created -- if you've created any felonies or crimes. So I mean, it just makes the Republicans, who are even progressive and for a pathway to citizenship, look regressive on Hispanic issues. CUOMO: But que lastimo (ph), what a shame, while saying those in

the middle who aren't sure what they want. This is a big apportionment issue. Is she sacrificing for gain on the left? These independents in the middle that she may very well need to win?

AVLON: That's always the big question here. We have a pattern of bills that can appeal to the center, beginning with George W. Bush's bill, followed up by Lindsey Graham's bill that he championed in the Senate that Marco Rubio supported and then distanced himself from. And Jeb Bush's position.

And I don't think Hillary can simply pull out an Etch-a-Sketch on this issue come the general. But she is flanking on the left. That's an important move for her, even though there is an incredible primary challenge at this point. It is a smart political move.

One could argue it's a smart policy move, because even if she has a Republican Senate or House to deal with, were she to be elected, all the sudden that bid increases the ante for some kind of a bill that Republicans and Democrats can live with.

That all said, this is all just poll-tested rhetoric at this point. You know, the policy page on our website is still MIA. The details matter enormously in this kind of a...

CAMEROTA: Margaret, isn't it interesting she learned something from the 2008 experience? Because she was so vague and sort of floundering on this issue during one debate. And now she's coming out and getting ahead of it.

[06:25:08] HOOVER: Yes, she -- I mean, she's basically -- she has planted a flag. You know, she learned her lesson. You don't have to have really nuanced and detailed policy positions on your policy page of your website 600 days before the election or 555 days before the election. No need for it. Barack Obama didn't have it.

But she is planting a flag. I mean, this is a serious policy position. She's essentially saying -- I mean, this is -- it's not executive amnesty. I mean, she's for that on the executive orders, but she's saying for comprehensive immigration reform starting with a pathway to citizenship. I mean, that is Simpson-Mazzoli. That's the 1986 Reagan Amnesty Act. By the way...

CUOMO: Are you calling Hillary Reaganesque?

HOOVER: Is she is -- no, but Republicans hate that. And all she's going to do is shore up -- you know, shore up all the haters that already hate her on the right.

CUOMO: So two practical questions. One is, is this the right issue to put the flag in the sand on and say, "I'm all in on this"? And two, is comprehensive, like one big bill or law, even a possibility?

HOOVER: Well, look, she's likely -- look, I don't want to fast forward too much. But... CUOMO: Yes, you do.

HOOVER: If she does win, it's quite likely that she will also have the Senate, because there was a Senate map in 2016 that's actually the inverse of the 2014 Senate map. You have a lot of blue state Republicans.

CUOMO: President Obama had that he couldn't get one bill done.

HOOVER: I think there's a difference to -- well, I don't want to criticize the president too much for inability to be an effective legislator. But he hasn't actually had great luck legislating.

AVLON: The Republicans are overwhelmingly likely to retain the House no matter what because of the rigged system of redistricting and the census, which isn't going to be taken for another four years after the next president is in place.

This is a bold political move. It is a bold policy move. It makes a lot of sense in the context of the primary. But then the question is will Hillary Clinton, as she has promised in a lot of speeches, find a way to work with people across the aisle. Were she to become president or will she to become simply even more of a play- to-the-base-type figurehead. Which is what the dynamics of the Democratic Party are driving right now.

HOOVER: Really good point. First of all, this is all politics. She did this in Nevada, where Obama and the caucuses totally out- schooled her with Hispanics.

Secondly, Democrats consistently need immigration as a wedge issue against Republican. They have had opportunities to cooperate with Republicans, Bush-Kennedy in 2007.

CUOMO: What have you heard to this point that is not just politics, that's coming out of this?

HOOVER: But again, this is a wedge issue that Democrats continue to use over Republicans even when the most sincere Republicans have wanted to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

AVLON: Republicans have not been able to stand up to their far right and follow through on this.

CAMEROTA: Let's end on this note.

AVLON: OK.

CAMEROTA: And just look at where her ratings are right now. Her opinion ratings. This is the most recent CBS/"New York Times" poll. And from March, her favorability has gone up almost ten points to 35 percent. Her unfavorable has stayed basically the same. Undecided seems to have gone to the favorable category.

AVLON: That's the sound of Hillary haters' heads exploding. I mean, they thought they had a good month with "Clinton Cash" and with a lot of attacks on her, but it doesn't seem to be sticking.

HOOVER: I mean, there's a "Wall Street Journal" poll out from yesterday that shows her untrustworthiness or her ability for people to trust her has actually gone down in the last month. So there's a lot of numbers out there.

AVLON: That's a really mixed message. That's fairly simple.

HOOVER: Honestly these polls, it depends on how you ask the question. It depends -- you have to look at the cross tabs.

AVLON: Not a bad poll for Hillary Clinton. Right?

HOOVER: No. That one wasn't the one that...

CAMEROTA: ... chat.

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CAMEROTA: Thanks so much.

AVLON: Thanks.

CAMEROTA: John, Margaret, great to see you guys.

All right. What's your take on all this? You can tweet us using hashtag #NewDayCNN or post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay. We'd love to read your thoughts.

Let's get over to Michaela.

PEREIRA: I love when the Hoovalon comes to visit. My goodness.

All right. Ahead here, six Baltimore police officers are facing jail time for the death of Freddie Gray, the city's top prosecutor filing a range of charges, including second-degree murder. Why our next guest calls those charges incompetent at best. That's ahead.

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