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Day Six of Manhunt for Richard Matt and David Sweat; Iraq Strategy Shift Compared to "Vietnam"; Christie Takes on Iowa, Low Poll Numbers; CNN Money; Blackhawks Even Up Stanley Cup Final, 2-2; NBA Finals Game Tonight, Cavs Lead 2-1; Police Searching Area Near Prison for Escaped Killers. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired June 11, 2015 - 07:30   ET

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[07:30:01] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: David Sweat, you mentioned how dangerous Richard Matt is. But we haven't heard anything about carjackings, break-ins, robberies since these guys got loose. Is that surprising?

MARY ELLEN O'TOOLE, FORMER SENIOR FBI PROFILER: A little bit, it really is because they have no resources apparently, that would be able to support their living in the areas. So the question really is, how are they moving around and what are they depending on?

And my, my opinion is, they did not plan this to occur this way, to go through all that trouble of drilling holes and, and going to that elaborate tunnel and, and then coming out on the street, they didn't plan that, "OK, now, now what do we do? We just wander around for a couple of days."

So, this is not part of their plan. This is something they are having to adopt to as, as they go, but I will tell you this, parti - again, I say particularly Richard Matt, because if you're looking at the distinction between the two there's a - I think there's an extreme distinction between the two. He will be far more adoptive to having to land on his feet than a non-psychopathic offender.

CABRERA: It sure sounds like he is a cunning character, we know that he was a good -

O'TOOLE: Yes.

CABRERA: - artist in prison. He drew pictures of Oprah reportedly and maybe charm of the prison employees. We heard that there may have been a relationship between Matt and the woman who was a supervisor in the tailoring department of the prison. I want to turn to her. We don't know for sure her connection to these two guys or whether she actually did help them with their escape plot.

But when you look at somebody you know, who's an employee becoming an accomplice, possibly what turns somebody who someone, assuming a mother, a wife, somebody who you know, you would not anticipate being in a relationship with a criminal. I mean, why? What is the attraction?

O'TOOLE: Well, first of all, it would be important to point out that he would have targeted her. When I say he most likely, Richard Matt, he would have targeted her first. It would not have been vice versa. He's a predator and he would have looked at her as he does with other humans to see her vulnerabilities to see where he could use his very keen manipulative skills and really zero in on her.

The process would have taken a period of time. It would not have happen overnight. And he would have charmed her and he would have made her feel very special. And he would have said things to her like, "You know what, if you were in my life, all those years ago I will never would have ended up here like this. I have never met a woman like this." And that process would have also been involve having her engage in behavior that she typically wouldn't engage in. Like bringing things into the prison, breaking the prison law here or there, and maybe even ultimately engaging in an intimate sexual relationship.

So by the time this grooming process has occurred, she's very compromised and now it's just him and her and she sees him as somebody who has changed. Maybe he found religion and she's part of this change process. So it's a very sinister process and he orchestrated it.

CABRERA: She has not been arrested at this point. Why do you think if indeed investigators believe strongly she wasn't involved?

O'TOOLE: Well, I think at this point they are still interviewing her about information that would be helpful to identifying where these people are. At the point where she's arrested, then she's represented by council and it's much more difficult to be able to sit down and talk to her because she has to think about you know, her own criminal liability in all of this. So they need her cooperation. That's very important right now.

CABRERA: All right. Mary Ellen O'Toole, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

O'TOOLE: You're welcome.

CABRERA: Chris?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Ana, thanks for that conversation. We're going to have more on the desperate manhunt for the two New York jail breakers but also we have New Jersey Governor Chris Christie heading to Iowa for the first time in three months. Is he going to be able to fight back against some sad-looking poll numbers?

[07:34:05] John King will take you inside this situation on "Inside Politics."

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CUOMO: Welcome back. It is time for "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY with our friend John King. John, how are you?

JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm very great Mr. Cuomo. How are you on this fine day?

CUOMO: Oh, is good. Any day with you is a good day.

KING: Oh, you're such a good diplomat. I like that. Secretary of State Chris Cuomo, I like that very much.

A lot to talk about "Inside Politics" including some things that maybe the former Secretary of State may not like much. So let's get right to it with me to share the reporting and their insights this morning. CNN's M.J. Lee and Ron Fournier of "National Journal."

I want to start with the President's plan, 450 or so new advisors he says, "Not a combat role," he says, "Let's just help the Iraqis in the fight against ISIS, especially around Ramadi." A lot of democrats don't like this. The president's party saying, "Whoa, wait a minute." Including Charlie Rangel who raised the V-word.

REP. CHARLES RANGEL, NEW YORK: This is exactly how Vietnam started. If you don't think you're putting them in harm's way, then you're not living in the real world.

KING: This debate will plot in Congress, but how would you feel if you were Hillary Clinton and the Iraq war is what undid you, or did you in, in 2008. And now as you start to gear up in this campaign, one of the big debates in this presidential campaign is going to be, do you agree or disagree with the President sending in more troops? What if things don't go well? Should we send in more?

M.J. LEE, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Right. I mean, no matter how you look at this, this is a tricky situation not only for Hillary Clinton but the Republican candidates as well. There is this baseline weariness about U.S. involvement in broad, not to mention the retracted situation in Iraq.

And I think the Republican candidates especially are finding themselves cornered in a situation where they want to demonstrate the skepticism, a level of skepticism about the president's strategy there. But they also understand the foreign policy and national security is going to be the dominant issue heading into the 2016 election. And they want to be able to say, you know, this is an administration that's saying this is a strategy that is aimed at ISIS. And so do you show that support or do you sort of reign that in and keep it to yourself until you know for sure what's going to happen?

[07:40:09] RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL: It's a matter of policy, this is like feeling out the Titanic with a thimble. As a matter of politics, Iowa is an anti-war state for democrats. Hillary Clinton is like a zombie that's coming back from the graves. This is the last thing he wants to say.

KING: She hasn't said anything, we don't know her position on this yet. We don't know and you can assume that, you know, Bernie Sanders is, "Oh, no, no, no, no."

FOURNIER: Right. Right.

KING: Lincoln Chaffey who is you know, just now, independent turned Democrat is going to be "No, no, no." We just heard Seth Moulton Iraq war veteran saying, he disagree with the president here. What does she say?

FOURNIER: It's going to be awfully hard because if she says no, no, no, how does that square up with what her position was in you know, in 2003 and 2004. And if she says, yes, yes, yes, you know, like I said, she's going to give cousins with fish ports coming after her in Iowa. That's a very anti-war you know, a lot of Vietnam-era hippies in Iowa are now voting the Democrat caucus.

KING: And I think she probably has some memory of that, the anti-war sentiment in Iowa. She remembers anything from 2008. I think that one sit. Let's stick in Iowa. Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is heading to Iowa. He spent a lot of time in New Hampshire lately and a lot of people say to write him off in your old periled, he's been doing the town hall approach but he hasn't been to Iowa in months.

And the question is, you know, its wide open out there, Scott Walker has it slightly, the question is kind of sounds, because this is his first time out there to give an education speech. So he said he wanted New Jersey to pull out of a onetime common course of supporter, now he says he's going to pull out.

If you look at the poll, Chris Christie is down at the bottom of the pack. I hate to say this to you, Governor, but with Donald Trump down in the 4 percent range. So he's at the bottom of the pack, but he thinks the power of persuasion will help him. Chris Christie to make a play in Iowa?

LEE: Well, at this point it is very difficult to see how Chris Christie can revive the candidacy, right? The poll numbers really speak for themselves both nationally and in Iowa. He's pulling at 4 percent. If you are polling as well or worse as Donald Trump, that is not a good sign. And I think one important thing to watch out for with Christie is how the donors talk about him. Is there going to be a sort of a change in tone among the donors? So far we have not heard much from them saying, you know, showing confidence that he can really make this happen and you know, save his candidacy.

KING: And yet, and yet Jeb Bush hasn't - you know, while the established leaders, if you're Chris Christie, you're thinking, still maybe.

FOURNIER: Right. And both for Bush and for Christie. Iowa was about touching it out there and really making a play in another state. For Christie, it could be New Hampshire. I mean, that really is the most significant number for Christie in Iowa. The most significant number is that, 58 percent of Iowa Republicans disapprove of him. And that number is down by like 10 points since November. So he's going the wrong way in a big field. He doesn't have a chance in Iowa.

LEE: Not to mention 45 percent of Iowans say they would never vote for Chris Christie.

KING: Right. So he's got some minds to change there. Quick now, we don't have to talk about it but a whole bunch of the Republican candidates have been going on the what I call Mitt Romney Primary. Mitt Romney is having an annual retreat out in Utah and you've got Governor Walker, Senator Rubio, Governor Christie, Governor Kasich, Carly Fiorina, Senator Graham going out there. Rand Paul and Jeb Bush invited it doesn't look like they are going to go. Mitt Romney is trying to still prove he has some inputs on the party.

I think those candidates remembering a lot of Romney's friends that can help to raise money. So they will touch on that one. But I do want to spend time on this feud between Fox News and the Union Leader of New Hampshire. Fox News is having a debate, the first presidential debate, they say they will you know, have their number of candidates and some people won't make the cut. And then several people in Fox including Chris Wallace have said you know, Iowa and New Hampshire win on the field but so can we with this debate.

Well, Joe McQuaid, the publisher of the Union Leader, shall we say is not happy. He says what Fox is attempting to do and is actually bragging about doing is a real threat to the first-in-the- nation primary. Fox boasts that it will winnow the field of candidates before New Hampshire gets to do so. And this isn't just bad for New Hampshire, it's bad for the presidential selection process. This idea of have a debate the same night and make candidates choose.

If you are a candidate and if your choice is to make Fox News mad at you or make the conservative voice of New Hampshire mad at you, what do you think?

LEE: Look, there's something very ironic here, right. The whole point of having this somewhere there at the top-tier candidates and the bottom-tier candidates was to give the audience more of a focus and a level of seriousness to the debate so that you don't have so many candidates at the same time on the debate stage and now, we have Fox News debate, we have the forum and then we have a Fox News forum as well. So you know, these bottom-tier candidates are going to have plenty of air time.

FOURNIER: This is like asking a 5-year-old kid to pick between mommy and daddy in a divorce. You can't win.

KING: Ouch.

FOURNIER: And it, and it's like the old local conservative media versus the new national conservative media. So you really don't know how it's going to play out. You don't want to tick off the local guys but got to deal with Fox the rest of the cycle. I would not want to make this choice.

KING: All right. It's a tough one to watch. I mean, I would watch the plan, Alisyn, as we get back to New York, you know, I usually defend the men and women in the secret service, they do amazing things. But you know, they have been in the laughosphere shall we say lately, you know. Jimmy Fallon last night making note of the evacuation of the White House the other day just couldn't resist. Listen here.

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[07:45:06] JIMMY FALLON, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": Yesterday, the secret service evacuated journalists from the White House press room during a security scare but not President Obama. You know, it's the worst. We forgot someone to get this tripper. And you know, that's a - cinnamon is safe. Cinnamon is safe.

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KING: It is, again, you know, those guys do a load of work. I know they have had management mistakes. The guys are risking their lives every day. I worked for them a long time in covering the White House, but again, you know, if you make mistakes, you are fair game for late night.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: It's laughable and troubling, both combined. So thanks for pointing that out.

KING: Amen.

CAMEROTA: Thanks, John. All right. So we are following the desperate manhunt for two escaped killers in New York. This is a new tip and it has led to the closure of a major highway in New York. So we'll have the very latest for you.

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[07:50:18] CUOMO: As if you needed me to tell you it is now time for "CNN Money" now. That means Chief Business Correspondent Christine Roman's in the money center. Tell us, egg prices are on my mind. Why?

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: It's an egg crisis, no question. The bird flu outbreak has hit the poultry industry hard. Egg prices are soaring. Some grocery stores are limiting the number of eggs you can buy trying to avoid a shortage. Prices on the shelves haven't skyrocketed yet, but restaurants are already paying much more. And you know, what a lot of folks are changing their menus in the food industry because they can't get the eggs.

Two of our biggest trading partners, Canada and Mexico don't want you to know where your meats comes from. The house voted to repeal country of origin labeling laws on beef, pork and poultry because the World Trade Organization says those laws discriminate against imports. Now, consumer advocates they say consumers have a right to know where their food comes from and want to know where the food comes from. Congress though moving to repeal that.

J.Crew joins a long list of struggling retailers. The retailer laid off a 175 employees that replaced its lead designer, sales slumped this quarter. Shoppers unimpressed really with the latest J.Crew styles. And J.Crew has missed two big trend, athletic wear and cheaper price tags. So watch out for some more sales maybe at J.Crew as they tries to revamp. Guys?

CUOMO: That's a trend.

CAMEROTA: I'm still thinking about the eggs.

CABRERA: Yes. I wanted an omelet.

CAMEROTA: Yes. The eggs are a big story. Watch this.

CUOMO: I hope that's an eggs-ageration.

CAMEROTA: Oh, aw, eggs-cellent.

CABRERA: Kaboom.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about hockey now, shall we? The Chicago Blackhawk, coming through with a big winning game four. The Stanley Cup final, and this series is now tied at 2-2. And Andy Scholes has more in this morning, bleaching report. Good morning, Andy.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning guys. I'm sure there are a lot of tired fans in Chicago this morning. But hey, at least they're getting to go to work happy this morning. You know, game four was a good one, tied at one at this very period. And off this face off, Brandon show some fancy move. He's going to get the risk to go to that's what the Blackhawks up by one in this game. And lightning had a bunch of chances late, but they just couldn't find the back of the net. Chicago's game five would be 2-1 winning game four to even a series and game five is going to be Saturday night in Tampa.

Twins Royals last night, in Minnesota, the Umpire is going to ring out Tony Hunter. And let's just say, you will not agree with that call. Hunter argues, gets ejected. Then he decides to take everything off, there goes, the elbow pads, then throwing the gloves right there. Hunter even going to take off his jersey and throw that onto the home field. The home fans there in Minnesota loved it. But hey, that poor boy had to run around and take all his stuff put, he got to fill his hands a little bit.

The NBA finals continues tonight with game four in Cleveland. Cavs point guard Matthew Dellavedova was so exhausted after chasing around Steph Curry and diving after a loose ball in game three he had to be treated for severe cramping and exhaustion at a local hospital. But he's out now and good to go for game four.

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MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA, CLEARED TO PLAY GAME FOUR: I felt like I have pushed the limit a few times, but that's probably the tiredest I've been. But I'm good to go now. The drive on the ground last night, the NBA final record 16 times. You know, gives us everything that he has. And we all appreciate it as his brothers in the line-up beside him. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHOLES: Tip-off for game four is tonight at 9:00 eastern. And guys I got to tell you, I just got back from Cleveland, Dellavedova is like a superstar there now. All the fans are always chanting Deli, Deli, Deli. And Alisyn, you can't find a Dellavedova Jersey anywhere in the city. They are sold out everywhere. Everyone is looking for one try and he's just a star there now.

CAMEROTA: That's so funny, because when I chant Deli, Deli, it means it's lunch time. So it's different, you know.

Thanks so much for that. All right. So we are following some breaking news for you. We have the latest on the ongoing manhunt for the two escaped killers in upstate New York. Investigators are closing down a major highway to look for them.

[07:54:17] We will bring you all of the development.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN's Breaking News.

CUOMO: Good morning, welcome to your NEW DAY. Mic is off, we have Ana Cabrera, joining us this morning. We have new developments for you about the manhunt for two convicts that has crippled part of upstate New York for almost a week. The new search area being checked up by law enforcement on the ground and in the air isn't in a different state, but within miles of the prison that they escaped from.

CAMEROTA: So at this hour, police are urging residents there to use extreme caution. A major highway in the area is still closed and schools are shut down in and around that search zone. CNN has it all covered for you, we begin with Jason Carol is live in West Plattsburgh, New York. What's the latest, Jason?

JASON CAROL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: All right. And we're just located about seven miles from where that prison is located. You can see there is a roadblock along route 374. Route 374 a section of it about a seven-mile section of it shut down. This was triggered last night after someone in the area, Alisyn spotted something suspicious. So last night New York State Police put out the word for residents who are in the affected area to stay inside, to leave their exterior lights on, to lock their doors.

This morning the Saranac Central School District closed as a result of the search in this area. New York's governor asking everyone in the particular area to be on the lookout for anything suspicious. And Alisyn, as a result they have to follow up on any lead that they have for the possibility that it might end up leading them to these two very dangerous man that they are looking for. In terms of Route 374, in terms of how long it will be close and...