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European Leaders Reach Deal on Greek Bailout; Walker Ready to Run. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired July 13, 2015 - 06:30   ET

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[06:32:19] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Greece in the news about to be bailed out for the third time in five years. Euro zone leaders reaching a unanimous agreement to fix the debt crisis there. The deal is said to include, quote, "serious reforms and aid". It means Greece will not be forced out of the euro zone.

Now, it's up to Greece's parliament to pass those reforms, not as easily done as said. But we are looking at a vote as early as tomorrow. The marathon talks dragged on for almost 17 hours.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Mexico's president vowing to recapture the notorious drug lord El Chapo. A massive manhunt now underway after his escape from a maximum security prison this weekend. Joaquin Guzman broke out through a mile long tunnel, leading from a shower stall. Eighteen prison officials now being questioned. Guzman was captured in 2014 after more than ten years on the run following his first prison escape.

CUOMO: Sad news out of Chicago's Brookfield Zoo. Did you hear about this? Fifty-four sting rays are dead after something went wrong with their tanks oxygen system. And making it worse, this isn't the first time. Back in 2008, a problem with the heating and cooling system left 16 sting rays dead. The exhibit now closed for the rest of the season.

CAMEROTA: Well, Donald Trumps antics apparently have David Letterman rethinking retirement. Letterman appearing on stage Friday with Steve Martin and Martin Short in San Antonio, telling the audience the end may have come too soon.

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DAVID LETTERMAN, COMEDIAN: I was complacent, I was satisfied, I was content, then a couple days ago, Donald Trump said he was running for president.

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I have made the biggest mistake of my life.

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CAMEROTA: Letterman also presented a top ten list of interesting facts about Trump. And the highlights include, number one, during sex, Donald Trump calls out his own name.

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CAMEROTA: Donald trump weighs 240 pounds, 250 with cologne.

CUOMO: Should have been hairspray.

CAMEROTA: You're right.

Oh, you'll like this next one. Number whatever, Trump would like all Americans to know that thing on his head is free range.

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CUOMO: That's good. That's good. That's good.

CAMEROTA: Free range. Oh, my --

CUOMO: It's coming.

CAMEROTA: We do miss David Letterman.

CUOMO: We do. We do. We miss that. We miss the social critique. It will be interesting to see who picks up the mantle.

John Oliver making a push at it, but we'll have to see.

CAMEROTA: But I mean, the top ten list is what is always --

CUOMO: Priceless.

CAMEROTA: Priceless.

CUOMO: What will Trump say in response? This man suffers no indignity like that.

[06:35:00] CAMEROTA: A tweet will be happening in three, two, one.

CUOMO: It will be coming from him. It will be like some of the most vicious stuff that we have seen.

All right. Speaking of presidential politics -- Governor Scott Walker is ready to declare today. Does he have something to add to the stew? More than you think. We'll tell you what, next.

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CAMEROTA: Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has just become the 15th Republican candidate to jump into the presidential race. So, is Scott Walker's announcement being drown out today by Donald Trump? CUOMO: Let's discuss. We have CNN political reporter Sara Murray, who is in Wisconsin today, braving the storms, political and otherwise, with the Walker announcement and CNN senior Washington correspondent, Jeff Zeleny.

Sara, I'll start with you because you are braving the elements. What does Walker's announcement add to the field?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, I think he sort of brings an interesting Midwest governor into the race. He's definitely a very conservative, so different from Jeb Bush. He's not going to try to run sort of a centrist campaign.

[06:40:01] And, look, he's going to cast himself as a fighter, this guy who's won three elections in four years, and we get a sense of that in his announcement video where he says, look, other guys have won elections but they haven't fought the big fight. So, I think we can expect to hear about his record in Wisconsin today as well.

CAMEROTA: Jeff, is he putting all his eggs in the Iowa basket and even sort of creating his positions based on winning Iowa?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: It's good question. I mean, he's putting most of them in the Iowa basket. Wisconsin adjoins Iowa. So, a lot of people in a corner of Iowa are very familiar with his record.

And it fits him pretty well. He has one foot in the evangelical camp and one in the Tea Party camp. He straddles that better than a lot of other Republicans do. Iowa is a good place for him to start out. But, you know, it's a crowded field.

CUOMO: All right. So, you have two considerations starting off, in terms of how big a burst they'll get. First is, can he distinguish himself effectively from the other people who claim the same turf in there? You know, the more conservative branch of that and how does he do that? That's the first one.

ZELENY: I think he can do that because of what Sara said. He's a governor. It's one of he key dividing line in this big, big, field. The governors versus the senators.

He can say, "Look, I have done this in Wisconsin." You can look down the list of what he's done. Controversial or not, he signed a budget into law over the weekend that has a lot of conservative principles. So, he'll say that, look, I've already done this. I haven't just talked about it, like, oh, I don't know, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

CAMEROTA: And yet, Sara, you have written a great and comprehensive piece for CNN.com about how Walker has done shape shifting in terms of his positions and moved to the right.

So, which ones has he flipped on?

MURRAY: Yes, shape shifting is a good way to have putting it. Look, we have seen him change his tone and in some cases his policies on issues ranging from same-sex marriage to abortion, to immigration. In some ways, this is what you expect to see on the road to Des Moines. His advisers said, look, we need to win Iowa. We cast him as fighter, this guy who can win elections.

And so, that means you can't show up in the Hawkeye State and come in second. And so, to do that, Scott Walker really wants to make sure he has social conservatives on board. And I think that's why we are seeing him tweak his positions and sound more strident on a lot of these issue that are really important to social conservatives.

CUOMO: Well, and then, he has this second aspect, which we're seeing with Governor Jindal, Jeff, which is -- how does he deal with the trouble that he's had at home? You know, you look at three elections two ways: one is, oh, I've proven I can win. The other one is, he's under constant assault and his numbers are dropping there. How does that end?

ZELENY: And the reason he's had three elections is they try to recall him.

CUOMO: That's right.

ZELENY: He won that effort there.

But, look, he's been very, very conservative. And he has, without a doubt, created positions for this presidential campaign. So, it's not been all that well received in Wisconsin.

But, look, I think still overall in this conservative Republican field, he can point to a list of things he's done. Not unlike Jeb Bush, but it's more recent. It's in a moment.

He's been a governor in this time. He's not saying, hey, I did this ten years ago.

CAMEROTA: Jeff, I want to stick with you for a second, because another big thing is happening on the campaign trail today, and that is Hillary Clinton is giving what is billed as her first policy speech of her campaign. So, what are we expecting today?

ZELENY: She's talking the economy and how to build the middle class.

Listen, this is about Bernie Sanders. She's not going to mention Bernie Sanders, but it's a left-leaning policy speech that she's going to say, I am a fighter for the middle class. She's going to call on companies to expand profit-sharing for employees. That's one thing I'm told this morning by one of her advisers who says that she's going to call specifically on companies to expand the wealth, share their vast profits with employees.

Not exactly sure how you legislate that, but that is her central message here. Her first of many policy speeches, but a left-leaning economic speech.

CUOMO: Calling on companies to do profit sharing is just that. ZELENY: No shaming them into it, perhaps, but not signing a law.

CUOMO: Good luck with that.

Sara, on the Donald Trump front, no less than Rupert Murdoch tweets that Donald Trump was wrong about what he said, specifically, with Mexicans. Impact?

MURRAY: Well, I don't think that Donald Trump is going to listen to anyone, including Rupert Murdoch. But I will say, Rupert Murdoch is on an interesting position on this. He is a long time supporter of a comprehensive immigration reform. And to be honest with you, that says a lot of prominent businessmen, and that's sort why it's surprising to see Donald Trump with the tone he is taking today, because I actually think that a lot of things are things are in the comprehensive immigration reform are things that Donald Trump, the businessman would support.

Donald Trump, the politician, however, is a different story and he's bound to sort of hammering on illegal immigration, hammering on this idea that Mexicans coming across the border are not the cream of the crop is working for him. I sort of doubt that a tweet from Rupert Murdoch is going to inspire soul searching for Donald Trump.

CAMEROTA: Of course, it's not just Rupert Murdoch. I mean, in Murdoch's tweet, he said that immigrants just have a lower crime rate than native born Americans.

And Lindsey Graham has also now come out and forcefully spoken out about what he thinks Donald Trump's role has been.

[06:45:04] Listen to this.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think he's hijacked the debate. I think he's a wrecking ball for the future of the Republican Party, with the Hispanic community, and we need to push back.

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CAMEROTA: A wrecking ball hijacking the debate, that's the strongest -- those are the strongest words we have heard.

ZELENY: Yes, they are strong and I think Donald Trump is just fine with being a wrecking ball. He'll come back and say, you know, Lindsey Graham is part of the establishment, I'm part of the solution.

But I'm more intrigued by what Rupert Murdoch is saying. I think if he keeps going down the line, it's not going to stop Donald Trump. But that's a really interesting voice to weigh in to the conversation. Perhaps more powerful than Lindsey Graham.

CUOMO: Two things, one, Rupert Murdoch obviously likes Trump. They have him on FOX all the time. It's not going to happen if Rupert Murdoch doesn't like you.

Secondly, it shows a reality about Donald Trump that people may not be aware of. He is not really a businessman. He is a wealthy person because of his marketing strategies that he's done with respect, but he doesn't run a big corporation.

He'll say, I have all these people working for me. He doesn't run a business the way Rupert Murdoch, or the way somebody who makes something does.

CAMEROTA: So, meaning, the Trump organization, with those thousands of people is not -- he's not running that?

CUOMO: They are marketing things. It's not like he has Apple under his belt where he's actually running the business and thinking about how to grow these things. He's like a one man name machine. It's an interesting division you'll see between legit business people and what they think and want, and he who just seems to be feeding every anger appetite he can find.

CAMEROTA: On that note, Jeff, Sara, thanks so much for your time. Great to see you guys.

For all your political news, go to CNNPolitics.com.

CUOMO: How about this one? Atticus Finch, the man who used the law to upset the racial mores and "To Kill a Mockingbird." But now, a shocking twist. The character that sets the standard for righteous indignation, the new information that gives you a different look at how the author may have seen him and what it means -- ahead.

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[06:50:24] ATTICUS FINCH: Gentlemen, this country, our courts are the great levelers. In our courts, all men are created equal.

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CUOMO: The legendary Gregory Peck in the role famous of Atticus Finch "To Kill a Mockingbird." It's obviously one of the most iconic literally roles of all time, from the book, written by Harper Lee.

Now, all of a sudden, this twist. The image of him as this honorable crusader being turned on its head, thanks to a new novel from Harper Lee, "Go Set a Watchman", depicting Atticus as a racist later in life. What does it mean outside the literature to what Atticus Finch meant to our society.

Let's bring in Michaela Angela Davis, cultural critic and writer to discuss.

So, here is my first thing. What do you think would knit these two images of this man together in a way that makes sense? MICHAELA ANGELA DAVIS, CULTURAL CRITIC: Time. First of all, I'm so

excited. As a writer and lover of literature, I cannot wait until tomorrow when this book comes out. What we see is what happens between the '30s and the '60s and really Brown -- the case of Brown and desegregation, what really happens and this idea of morality versus rights for real.

So, I think that the civil rights ignited a different kind of thing in the Deep South, where we see -- and "To Kill a Mockingbird", too, at the time, we needed Atticus Finch. We needed someone that made us feel like we have humanity in the South. There is someone who is good and right.

CAMEROTA: So, does it upset you now that there's this character that is not as perfect a moral pillar and he's more complicated and even racist?

DAVIS: It excites me. It excites me because now -- especially in the time of Ferguson and Charleston and looking at voting rights, a more complex conversation about race and structural races inherited by white supremacy. This is kind of a new context in which we are looking at moving forward as a country, right?

So, this book, I think, in this time, brings up the kind of conversations that we are having now about structural racism and preserving supremacy and white, southern angst that we saw with this Confederate flag story.

CUOMO: Does it matter to you that this book was supposedly written first, which would mean that Lee had designed him as this kind of not a noble hero, but this older guy reflective of the problems at that time, not someone who was able to overcome them, that she did that before she wind up changing him for "To Kill a Mockingbird" supposedly because some publisher wanted her to?

DAVIS: I think it's exciting. I mean, the idea that the publisher wanted her to put it through the child's eyes, right? So, that is interesting to think that this idea that children probably think the best of us, right? That children probably see us as noble first.

And now that Scout has grown up and things have changed, we are looking at it in a more realistic way. That's where we have to be as a country, right, is to look at it as complex. You can be a loving, single dad and a bigot. What does that look like? How can we have that kind of complex conversation?

CAMEROTA: But what about this notion we have heard over the weekend of people who say that this tanks "To Kill a Mockingbird", and somehow it will be stricken from the syllabus of every freshman English class because he wasn't just a pure soul?

DAVIS: Poppycock. I mean, you can't I mean, it exists. It is American literature. It has existed for this long amount of time. But now, we can have another kind of conversation. I think, if anyone thinks one novel can, you know, undo another is silly.

CUOMO: Right, he's not a man.

DAVIS: Right.

CUOMO: It's a fiction.

DAVIS: There's that part.

CUOMO: He's what Harper Lee made him.

I think this is interesting on two levels. You can use him as a metaphor and you're right, we should because of what he means. One, we are dealing with that very actively in American civilization and culture and what the law allows versus what you like. That's coming up more and more. And that duality is set up here.

And also, we have seen this before. Abraham Lincoln, the great man of the Emancipation Proclamation would often tell people, look, the law is the law.

[06:55:00] These are human beings. They have to be protected.

I'm not saying I want them on dating my daughter. I'm not saying I want them in my church, which is interestingly two things that Atticus Finch has both said. It makes you wonder if Harper Lee weren't channeling a little Lincolnian paradox.

DAVIS: That's right. There's a lot of people that liked Negroes in the South in their place. They felt this is how we get along.

Even today, you hear that rhetoric. We are OK. We like it like this. But when you start to have actual rights and peel away who people are, the culture in Deep South becomes very complicated and very -- there's an ugliness to it, right?

So, I think that looking at Atticus Finch in this more complicated, grown up way, also having to have dealt with the civil rights era presented educated blacks, presented educated politically powerful black people and people who wanted real equal rights, not just moral equality, but like they wanted stuff. They wanted power. They wanted voting rights. They wanted the things we still want today, which is much more complicated than saying, you know, feeling good and that I can save the people. These people want their stuff.

CAMEROTA: I mean, really, this is an insight into Harper Lee. It's an insight into Harper Lee, not Atticus Finch, who is a made up character, but Harper Lee, and why when her editor said you need to go back and redo this book from the perspective of the 9-year-old Scout, why she then decided, you know what, I'm going to make a memorable, heroic figure.

DAVIS: I'm glad she did at the time. It was a horrible time in America. We needed to at least have a moral possibility. There is a good, white, Southern man somewhere.

But now, we can throw up a little bit and be more realistic and look at our history and look at getting to the work of dismantling structural racism in the South and inherent biases.

CUOMO: It's interesting to me that people are accepting this as, wow, they had two different aspects and we never knew about it. There's no evidence she wanted this to come out. There's no nod to this aspect of his character in "To Killing a Mockingbird". But it's interesting like he's a guy. Now that I know more about him, I don't know --

DAVIS: But Tom gets acquitted in the new novel.

CUOMO: Thanks for giving it away.

CAMEROTA: Spoiler alert.

DAVIS: It's in all of the papers.

CAMEROTA: Michaela, thanks so much. Great to talk to you.

DAVIS: My pleasure.

CAMEROTA: What is your take on all of this? Tweet us, using the #NewDayCNN, or post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay. We will read your comments.

CUOMO: This is a big story, but we have Greece and Iran in the news. So, let's get to it.

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CUOMO: Greece gets a deal after 17 hours of intense talks.

CAMEROTA: Will the Greek parliament approve this agreement?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks to the last minute deal from Greece, we are watching stocks climbing around the world.

CUOMO: The Iran deal, will it get done today?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's almost certain this deal is coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any future negotiations cannot and should not be prolonged.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The world east most powerful and deadly drug trafficking kingpin has broken out of prison in Mexico.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He showed us he can do it before. It went ignored. Sure enough, he did it again.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So, I have an idea. Every time Mexico really intelligently sends people over, we charge Mexico $100,000 for every person they send.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

(END VIDEOTAPE) CAMEROTA: And good morning, everyone. Welcome back to your NEW DAY. Michaela is off today.

We do have breaking news this morning: Greece, a huge step closer to a deal for the third bailout. We are already starting to see the ripple effects in financial markets worldwide. Euro zone leaders reaching a unanimous agreement overnight, almost -- after almost 17 hours of talks. And the ball is now in Greece's court to finalize those reforms.

CUOMO: All right. Let's take you live to Athens. That's where our Isa Soares is right now.

Isa, the latest?

ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

Up to 17 hours of marathon talks. It seems Alexis Tsipras, the Greek prime minister, has caved in to European creditors. He's been asking for the three-year bailout worth $96 billion. That is roughly 17 billion more than was requested just a few days ago. Now the hard work begins, Chris, because this is just the beginning of talks. The money hasn't even started to flow into Greece.

Now, Alexis Tsipras has 48 hours until Wednesday the 16th to push through the tough measures, a course, let's say, of measures that have to be implemented. It will be tough because he knows within his own party, there are huge amounts of dissenting voices. We have to do that by Wednesday. If he can't do it, he doesn't have the support, perhaps they have to do a government reshuffle or even a broader coalition.

But now, Greece is waking up in a state of shock. They want to know what happens to the banks because, as you know, banks have been closed for two weeks now. Capital controls have been in place. Everyone looking at the ECB, the European Central Bank, as to whether they will open the tap.