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The GOP's Plan To Handle Trump; Poll: Clinton Shows Weakness In Swing States; Judd Apatow Skewers Bill Cosby In Stand-up; Chryslers Can Be Hacked And Controlled; Apple Stock Tumbles As iPhone Sales Disappoint. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired July 22, 2015 - 07:30   ET

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JOHN KING, CNN HOST, "INSIDE POLITICS": -- Juana Summers from NPR and Jackie Kucinich of "The Daily Beast" with us this morning. The Republican establishment when Trump announced said, passing fancy, some people call him a carnival barker. They said this won't last. This will flame out.

He is a joke. Now he is leading in the polls nationally. He is second in New Hampshire. He is in Iowa. He is picking up support across the country and he's become an impact player as we near the first debate.

What to do you make of the fact that the establishment with Mel Martinez's help, a former senator, former RNC chairman, prominent Latino from the swing state of Florida comes out this morning and says Mr. Trump promise that you are a Republican.

Promised that no matter what you will support the Republican nominee meaning you won't break away if you lose and have a third party run.

JACKIE KUCINICH, "THE DAILY BEAST": Even if he says that, does he have to stick with it? Of course not so yes, they are afraid because Donald Trump would pull votes from whoever the Republican nominee is. They are looking at Ross Perot as a model and they probably should be scared.

KING: But is it a risk? Juana, if they, you know, A, he'll give out Mel Martinez's phone number out before we know it. If you push him too hard and he loses the Republican nomination, and he does if you look at the "Washington Post"/ABC poll just yesterday.

It's July, who know what would change between now and November, but he disproportionately does draw from Republicans. He would almost guarantee a Democratic likely Hillary Clinton presidency as a third party candidate.

JUANA SUMMERS, NPR: I think that's something that a lot of Republicans are really worried about. You can see that in the rhetoric they are using when they talk about Trump.

Those who are not disparaging his comments and his candidacy with full force or kind of tiptoeing around saying, you know, he's doing his own thing, they are not really going out and forcefully attacking him because they want to be really careful and make sure they are not hitting Democrats in this presidency.

The one thing we should keep in mind, though, is that Donald Trump's biggest enemy is Donald Trump. He has very limited organization, very little professional, political experience.

He's obviously a great brand, a great marketer, as one Republican put it recently. But he doesn't really have the political infrastructure that maybe these other candidates use. It will be entertaining to see how he navigates a primary process to come.

I think you have to be more than a TV star to get through that. I think that's what many Republicans at least have told me they are begging on it. He will be his own worst enemy.

KING: To a degree, if you apply the standard rules, and I think one of the big questions is do the standard rules apply to Donald Trump? Look, he insulted, you know, Mexican immigrants. He has now insulted John McCain and you could say, by default, POWs and veterans.

And yet, at least for now, we'll watch the polls in the week or so and see there is a change, at least, for now, he's still sustaining. What is more damaging, when a Republican decides I have to start spending money against him, meaning a super PAC launches ads against Donald Trump.

What is more damaging, insulting Mexican immigrants, insulting John McCain or this Donald Trump's own past where he says, you know what? I think I might be more of a Democrat.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you identify more as a Democrat or a Republican?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, you would be shocked if I said that in many cases I probably identify more as a Democrat. I think you would probably be shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On social issues?

TRUMP: You know, it's interesting. I have been around -- I think of myself as a young guy. I'm not so young anymore. I have been around for a long time. It seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. It shouldn't be that way. If you go back, it seems the economy does better under the Democrats.

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KING: That's nobody twisting his words. He said it twice. The economy does better under the Democrats. How do you sell that to a Republican primary electorate?

KUCINICH: You don't. When you talk to particularly establishment Republicans who are, you know, heads are kind of exploding because of this Trump bump right now. They say the voters just don't know who this guy is. They are just listening to his words. They are not looking at his record, but you bet if he keeps rising, they are going to know his record soon enough.

KING: We go back to our archives. He also says some nice things about Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state. She's a tough negotiator. That can't help in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina with Republicans.

SUMMERS: Absolutely not. If you're Donald Trump right now, you have to be baking on the fact that unlike the three of us, most people haven't been following Donald Trump as a politician for the last decade or so.

You see him as an entertainer, businessman, the guy who yells, you are fired on TV, but they don't have this long history. But like you've noted earlier, it's also July. It's really, really early.

So how much people start to bring those things up in opposition research and bring those facts out and more clips like that out will be really interesting and whether or not voters actually care about what he said ten years ago.

KING: It doesn't matter. The way we apply the rules of politics apply to these unorthodox candidates. One of the reasons the Republicans want Mr. Trump gone from their race is because there's more evidence this morning that is a very competitive race and winnable race for the Republicans.

Look at these Quinnipiac swing state polls in Colorado, in Iowa and in Virginia, three of the most important states in presidential politics if they are close. These are three big swing states.

Look at Hillary Clinton's unfavorable ratings, favorable 35 in Colorado, 33 in Iowa, 41 in Virginia, but look at the right hand column, Hillary Clinton, a majority in each of those very important states say she is unfavorable.

In fact at the moment, emphasizing it's early, she loses to Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and to Marco Rubio in those three states. If you are the Republicans, you are saying, wow, this is good. The battlefield, at the moment, is good for us.

[07:35:00] KUCINICH: Absolutely. When you drill down in just a little bit in that poll, it's the trust issue again. Does this candidate care about me and my issues? With Hillary Clinton, in a lot of these states, they are saying no right now and that's a huge problem for her campaign.

KING: Trust and leadership, the two issues where she is suffering right now.

SUMMERS: Absolutely. So it will be interesting to see how her campaign will flip the script on that obviously. She is getting a (inaudible) from Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders to her left as well as Martin O'Malley in that race.

So she's not only having a deal with candidates who have with some passion on the right. She has to deal with the left too. So she really does need to harness that and perhaps present herself in such a way that can kind of turn that around so it doesn't trickle to other states too.

KING: Right, if there is a lesson in the Donald Trump appeal, it's the people looking for something different, looking for an atypical politician. And yet, John Kasich, the Ohio governor jumped into the race yesterday, he said, look, I've won a big swing state in American politics twice.

I served in the House of Representatives for 16 years he said. He says he knows how to make things work. The question is do voters want that kind of experience? Listen.

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GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I won that election with the help of the army of volunteers. I went on to chair the health committee, where I learned to work across the aisle because the House was run by Democrats. That is where I learned that policy is far more important than politics, ideology or any other nonsense we see.

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KING: Trying to seek, I'm a conservative, but I'll work with Democrats, on paper, a strong candidate, in this environment, yes or no?

SUMMERS: He's got to get on the debate stage because people don't know who he is.

KUCINICH: That's his biggest challenge right now. It's really interesting to hear him to say, you know, I have been to Washington. I was a congressman. That's a good thing. Everyone else is running against the Washington establishment.

KING: We'll see if that works for Governor Kasich. Alisyn, you know, President Obama as Senator Obama, one of the pioneers of doing non- traditional media. Last night a farewell visit with Jon Stewart. Here is the president saying, "Jon, don't go."

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I can't believe that you are leaving before me. In fact, I'm issuing a new executive order. Jon Stewart cannot leave the show. It's being challenged in the courts.

JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": Yes. I have to say, for me, this is a state's rights issue. This is not --

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: That was a good line.

KING: Like David Letterman, Jon Stewart may miss retiring in the middle of the Trumpalooza we are going through right now.

CAMEROTA: I think that they have said that. They regret they chose these dates now. John, thanks so much for showing us that. See you tomorrow.

All right, it was a great weekend for our next guest. "Train Wreck" is going big at the Box Office. Its director, Judd Apatow is here to discuss that as well as his forceful jokes against Bill Cosby and so much more.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I won't talk about any of that.

CAMEROTA: Yes, you will.

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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Award winning comedian, actor, and film maker, Judd Apatow, has never been one to shy away from controversy. In fact, just this week, he treated the "Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon audience to something he hasn't done in something like two decades, a stand-up routine, and a scathing impression of Bill Cosby talking to his wife. Take a look.

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JUDD APATOW, DIRECTOR, "TRAINWRECK": What is this in the paper about the raping and the drugging and the women? I said, do you like your life? Do you like the house, the jet? Have a cappuccino and shut up.

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PEREIRA: Judd Apatow's new film scored a big debut in theaters over the weekend joins us right now in the "NEW DAY" studios. Good morning to you. You are up awfully early, my friend, from the west coast.

APATOW: I'm feeling it. You guys are all fresh.

PEREIRA: We have been watching, you have been tweeting ferociously about Bill Cosby. You have been talking to the press about it. Now, you are doing stand-up about it, which is great to see you up on stage doing that. Why is this something that you are feeling so loud and essentially proud about? You are not shying away from this at all?

APATOW: Well, it's just weird that nobody else talks about it. I stick out. It's a very strange story. It's a very wealthy man who victimizes an enormous amount of people. I just thought, you know, I was embarrassed that there were so much silence about it.

PEREIRA: What are your peers saying about it?

APATOW: Everyone is shocked. I think it's the worst thing that's happened in showbusiness and more information keeps coming out. What's important about it is there's things to learn, which is all the statutes of limitations are way too short. There's no reason why in California it should be six years.

For violent crimes, it should be decades. I don't understand why people should get off because they did it seven years ago.

CAMEROTA: Do you think that he's gotten a pass because he's an entertainer and other entertainers don't want to touch a fellow comedian?

APATOW: I think you got a pass because in a lot of ways he's like a pedophile priest. He does an enormous amount of positive things for the world then he has this other side to his personality that's really hurting people and no one wants to attack the person who is so charitable.

PEREIRA: And who is a black icon, let's be honest too.

APATOW: Yes, he's done a lot of amazing and important work. That makes it so tragic. He betrayed everybody and it's very, very sad. But, you can't let him just run around and get away with it, I mean, people who rape people go to jail for the rest of their lives.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: They haven't made the case. That's always been his saving grace is that there was no prosecution that stuck, so people felt that if they went after him, even with the defensive parody or humor, he may come at you.

APATOW: Yes, well, he's a rich guy who can sue everybody. And also I think, you know, he went after victims who were very vulnerable. Most victims are actresses. Well, they are not going to speak up. They may think I'm never going to work again. That's a reason that's who he went after most of the time.

[07:45:07] PEREIRA: Can we take one of your tweets?

APATOW: Sure.

PEREIRA: I mean, you have gone there. One of the tweets, "It is sad that he betrayed his community and it has soiled his achievement. But he did it. Not the press seven prescriptions." Whoopi Goldberg specifically speaking to the fact that Whoopi has largely defended him.

APATOW: I think she's turned around in a big way. Let's just think about it, Quaaludes are sleeping pills. They were sleeping pills. So, he said he had seven prescriptions for Quaaludes in three years. That's minimum, what, over 200 sleeping pills.

They said, do you take them? He said, no, because they make me sleepy. That's in the deposition. So, it is terrifying. You don't give people sleeping pills at the top of a date. This is one of the most awful people that you have heard of.

PEREIRA: Can we pivot to something more savory, your film "Trainwreck." First of all, let's show a clip for those of you who haven't run to see this in the theaters. It is for adults. Let's take a look at it and we'll discuss it. (VIDEO CLIP)

PEREIRA: Amy Schumer's star shining so bright. What is it like working with her on this project? Clearly resonating, we were talking about the themes of it resonating with so many viewers.

APATOW: You know, she's brilliant and hilarious. I met her when she was doing comedy, but before she had her TV show, I heard her on the Howard Stern show. She was just telling stories. I thought this is a writer. This is a really great writer.

She wrote this amazing movie that people are responding to. I'm thrilled because you never know what people are going to go see. We like all the movies in half time and nobody shows up.

CUOMO: -- your idea and what does she delivered for you?

APATOW: Well, she claims that she wrote Lebron in the script because it was the only basketball player she ever heard of. We thought we were going to get Bill Walton or something. We didn't think Lebron would do it. He's hilarious and a great guy so we have this amazing experience.

CAMEROTA: Judd, do you think that very beautiful women can be funny?

APATOW: I think that is so crazy that anybody talks about it at all. I think the issue is opportunity. You know, we should have at all times, dozens of Amy Schumers. There are so many --

CUOMO: Two examples right on this set.

CAMEROTA: Hilarious and very beautiful.

APATOW: It's a funny conversation because I think, you know, there's a big argument, you know, the best people right now are people like AMY SCHUMER, TINA FEY and Amy Poehler, and there is so many more.

PEREIRA: This is his new book. It's called "Sick in the Head." You wrote it. It's a compilation of the interviews you did back in the days when you were first coming up.

APATOW: When I was 15 years old, I started interviewing comedians for my high school radio station.

PEREIRA: But you are still doing it, why?

APATOW: I just need advice.

PEREIRA: You need advice, Judd, really?

APATOW: I always just like to say to people, how are you doing? How are you holding up?

PEREIRA: Are you working on any Trump material or no?

APATOW: Well, I find it terrifying that anybody takes him seriously because to me, he's like the psycho girl on "The Bachelor." He's the contestant that you don't want to get kicked off too early because you don't want them meltdown for a while, but you really don't want them to win. That would be terrible.

PEREIRA: Judd, really a pleasure to have you here. Congratulations on your success. Thanks for making us laugh. We need it now more than ever.

CUOMO: Well, come back whenever you want to come back. Come on back.

All right, so here's a little alert for you. If you own a newer model Chrysler, beware. Your vehicle may be vulnerable to hackers. We all want computers in the cars now. This is about the downside they can actually drive it off the road. We'll break it down for you.

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CAMEROTA: It's time for CNN Money Now. Chief business correspondent, Christine Romans, is in our money center. Christine, some scary news for drivers who own Chryslers this morning.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Chrysler is vulnerable to being hacked into and remotely controlled. Two researchers that identified flaws in the wireless service that connects the car to the Sprint cell phone networks that lets hackers in to take control of the brakes, shut down the engine even could make the car drive off the road. The affected models include 2013 to 2015 Jeep Cherokees, Chrysler 200s, and Dodge Rams.

Apple shares down more than 5 percent right now before the open, a remarkable quarter for Apple, but not remarkable enough, Apple revenue almost 50 billion, 47.5 million iPhones sold. Investors accustomed to Apple's blowout quarters were expecting even bigger sales. Apple making so much money so quickly it now has $203 billion in cash, $203 billion in cash. Unbelievable, Chris, but the shares are down in the premarket.

CUOMO: That's the unbelievable part. The relative level of success for them, little bit different set of rules. Thank you very, Christine. Appreciate it.

ROMANS: You got it.

CUOMO: So this newly released dash cam footage, you've seen it all over the media, but it needs intense analysis. Sandra Bland, she was found dead in her cell some days later, but why do these cars keep disappearing on the video that you're looking at? Was this done intentionally? Real questions. Analysis ahead.

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CAMEROTA: Dramatic new video raising more questions than answers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The video appears to have several discrepancies.

SANDRA BLAND: Knock my head in the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good, good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What exactly happened to Miss Bland?

ROMANS: Donald Trump firing back at Lindsey Graham.

SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: He's becoming a jackass.

TRUMP: I watched this idiot Lindsey Graham on television today and he calls me a jackass. He gave me his number, but let's try it, 202 -- he won't fix anything but at least he'll talk to you.

GRAHAM: This is the beginning of the end of Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Could President Obama's trip to Kenya be a family reunion?

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: But if he doesn't come here, how disappointed will people be?

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CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Wednesday, July 22nd, 8:00 in the east now. What really happened to Sandra Bland? Police have released dash cam video of her arrest in Texas, but these video clips raise more questions than they answer to be sure.

The biggest one is, were they edited before being released? The tape seems to show the traffic stop that certainly turned violent with the confrontation with the state trooper, but what else does it show?

CAMEROTA: Sandra Bland was found dead in her jail cell three days after that arrest. Police say it was suicide, but her family does not believe that. CNN's Ed Lavandera is following the developments live in Hempstead, Texas for us. What's the latest, Ed?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Alyson. Around here in the case of Sandra Bland there has already been a great deal of mistrust surrounding her case. Many people who don't believe the official lines being provided by authorities and investigators in this newly released video doesn't do any --