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ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: But the families have already raised more than $133,000 so that they could fund private searches for a while -- Alisyn.

[07:00:12] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, Alina. Thanks so much for that update.

And later this hour, we will speak to the president of Austin Stephanos's school about what the school is doing. So stay tuned for that.

Meanwhile, there are graphic details from former prison worker Joyce Mitchell. She admits to helping two convicted killers escape from that upstate New York maximum-security prison, and she admits to much more.

CNN's Alexandra Field is live from Plattsburg, New York, with the story.

Good morning, Alexandra.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

We know that Joyce Mitchell was supposed to drive the getaway car. But she also told police that she was instructed to bring a gun, a hatchet and a packet full of money that she never picked up. But why would she go along with a plan like this in the first place?

Well, she tells police that she got caught up in the fantasy. She enjoyed the attention from both men and the thought of a different life.

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FIELD (voice-over): Joyce Mitchell, tearful in court and taking responsibility.

ANDREW WYLIE, CLINTON COUNTY D.A.: Because the evidence was so overwhelming, Ms. Mitchell has acknowledged her guilt.

FIELD: The 51-year-old former prison employee, admitting she helped inmates Richard Matt and David Sweat escape from New York's Clinton Correctional Facility. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you pleading guilty because you are, in fact,

guilty?

FIELD: Newly-released documents reveal the details of what Joyce Mitchell knew and when. "I've known about them cutting the hole in the wall for about three or four weeks," Mitchell tells investigators in the days following the escape.

During the police interviews, Mitchell revealing she had sent Sweat sexual letters and naked photos, but adding that she only had sexual contact with Matt. "We were alone and inmate Matt grabbed me and kissed me. It startled me. He kissed me with an open-mouth kiss. I didn't say anything, because I was scared for my husband, who also works in the facility."

Mitchell also says there was oral sex with Matt and other sexual encounters with the inmate who plotted to kill her husband, referred to as "the glitch." She explains, "After I picked them up, the plan was to drive to my home, and inmate Matt was going to kill 'the glitch.' After, we were going to drive somewhere. I can't remember where we were going to go, but I know I was told it was around six or seven hours away."

The plan: to lay low in the woods together for weeks, says Mitchell. Then Matt would split off, leaving her and Sweat together. But Mitchell got cold feet and couldn't go through with it, telling investigators she loved her husband, Lyle, too much.

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FIELD: And Lyle Mitchell was actually inside the courtroom when Joyce Mitchell accepted the plea deal. His attorney says he's still hopeful he can have a life with her.

Meanwhile, Joyce Mitchell told police that Richard Matt gave her pills to give to her husband, which would knock him out. She says she never gave him the pills. She doesn't know what they were, and she ultimately flushed them -- Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: So many elements of the story, Alexandra, just make you shake your head. My goodness. All right. Thanks for bringing us the latest updates on that.

Turning to politics, Donald Trump raised plenty of eyebrows when he questioned John McCain's status as a war hero. Since then, his poll numbers have remained strong. He's ratcheting up his rhetoric, even as President Obama offers support for McCain and questions Trump's leadership. CNN's Don Lemon asked Trump about this criticism.

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DON LEMON, CNN HOST, "CNN TONIGHT": The president is all the way in Africa, and he's talking about your remarks about John McCain and part of your style of campaigning. He's saying it hurts America. He's worried about who he's going to turn the keys to the White House over to. How do you respond to that? DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via phone): Well, first of all, John McCain has done a terrible job. And I think this is why, frankly, that so many people agree with what I'm saying. He's done a terrible job for the veterans. He's been there for 30 years. The veterans are suffering like never before. Their wait list is longer than ever before.

LEMON: To the president's comments, Mr. Trump?

TRUMP: Well, I think it's pretty sad when you go to Africa and you start talking about Donald Trump. Because that's not what it's all about. He's supposed to be talking about relationships with Africa, relationships with the various countries that he's going to see. I think he should stay on point, and he should do the job that he's over there for, not be talking about me.

TRUMP: Well, he's not the only one talking about you. I don't know if you saw this, this town-hall voter with Chris Christie, but I want you to listen, and then we'll talk about it.

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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't believe the skills that you're talking about that Trump has...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CHRISTIE: ... are transferable to a governmental setting. I just don't. See, because Donald would tell Speaker Boehner, "I want this bill and I want it on my desk, because this is what's best for America."

And Speaker Boehner is going to say, "Yes? Well, I don't have the votes for that, so I can't give it to you."

He can't look at him and say, "Speaker Boehner, you're fired." You can't do that. You can do it on a reality TV show. But you cannot fire the speaker of the House or the Senate majority leader because you don't get what you want.

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[07:05:07] LEMON: He's saying, Donald, that you're good at getting attention, but you may not be so good at governing.

TRUMP: Well, I think that I've been dealing with politicians all my life. And I know Chris, and I like Chris and all of that stuff. But he's got to say that. I mean, what's he going to say, "Trump will do a better job than I will"? He can't say that.

But I think it's fair when Chris challenges you in that way. But he's got to say that. I mean, if I'm him, I'm saying the exact same thing.

But the fact is, I've built an incredible company. I've dealt with politicians all my life. I have done very well with politicians, both Democrats and Republicans and everybody else, and other countries, by the way. I've very done well or I wouldn't have been able to be worth much more than $10 billion.

LEMON: You say...

TRUMP: I wouldn't have been able to build that company.

LEMON: You say $10 billion. Bloomberg had -- has done an analysis. They're saying $3 billion.

TRUMP: By the way, they don't know what they're talking about. They even say that they don't know many of the companies that I'm even -- that they're dealing with. It was a stupid report.

I'm a private company. They have no idea what I have.

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CAMEROTA: We will have much more for you of Don Lemon's interview with Donald Trump in our next hour.

But joining us now to discuss the Trump phenomenon is Rudy Giuliani. He, of course, is the former mayor of New York City and was a presidential candidate himself in 2008.

Mr. Mayor, thanks so much for being here.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR/FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Very nice to be with you.

CAMEROTA: You seem to be enjoying listening to Donald Trump. You were chuckling along. What do you think of Trump?

GIULIANI: I think this is -- I think this is very, very healthy. This is what -- you want attention in the Republican primary. The debate they're going to have next week or the week after is going to get three times the audience it would have gotten if it weren't for Donald. I don't agree with 100 percent of what Donald is saying. I don't agree with 100 percent what anyone is saying.

I worked for Ronald Reagan. And Ronald Reagan's theory was my 80 percent friend is not my 20 percent enemy. And that's where I am with most of them. I agree with about eight out of 10 positions. I'm pro- choice. They're all pro-life. I'm pro-gay marriage. They're all anti-gay marriage. So I have to -- I begin with the premise I don't agree with them on everything.

But I think Donald has been refreshing. I actually think he's been refreshing. Right? Look, when the Republican candidate gets selected, whether it's Bush or Trump or Christie or Rubio or Walker or Pataki...

CAMEROTA: We don't have time for you to go through them all.

GIULIANI: He's going to get pounded by the Democrats. Pounded. So get ready for it.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: So Mr. Mayor, the question is -- and you know Donald Trump personally.

GIULIANI: True.

BERMAN: Yes or no: Do you think he could be president?

GIULIANI: He could, yes.

BERMAN: Do you think he should be president?

GIULIANI: I haven't made my mind up, yet.

BERMAN: But you're open to the idea?

GIULIANI: I'm open to the idea of a Donald Trump presidency as I am to a Jeb Bush presidency, a Christie...

BERMAN: You see no difference?

GIULIANI: I do see a difference, big differences between them. What I want, my own criteria, I want a strong person who's going to serve America, unlike this present president, who I believe gave the store away in the agreement with Iran and put our national security into grave jeopardy and has put Israel in mortal jeopardy. I want a strong person who's going to reverse these extremely weak foreign policies of President Obama that has put our greatest ally in mortal jeopardy.

CAMEROTA: What about people who think that Donald Trump speaks with a strong voice, but is actually thin-skinned, overly is sensitive? I mean, there's this whole new "New York Times" article today describing him as hyperbolic, hypersensitive, boorish. What do you think about -- do you know these to be true qualities?

GIULIANI: I know Donald and Jeb Bush about the same amount of time, 25 years. And they're both very, very good men. Do both of them get angry sometimes? Of course they do. So do you. So do I. You know, but does it affect the way they perform? One was an excellent governor of Florida, maybe the best governor of Florida in the last 50 years. And the other has been one of the most successful businessman in New York, whether he's worth $3 billion or $23 billion.

BERMAN: I know. I love that argument of how many billion -- how many billion dollars he's worth. It's very important to him.

GIULIANI: I always thought Romney made a very big mistake running away from his wealth. If I were Romney, I would have said, "I'm proud of it." Isn't it better to have a successful man in the White House than a man who's never really accomplished very much?

BERMAN: Just to be clear, you could see yourself endorsing Donald Trump in the race?

GIULIANI: I'm going to endorse the person who wins the Republican primary, because I believe somebody has to reverse President Obama's extremely dangerous foreign policy.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about the first debate that's happening next week, and let's put up on the screen this graphic that we have of who we believe will be on that debate stage. Because they have compiled all of the polls and crunched it together.

GIULIANI: Right, right.

CAMEROTA: So it looks as though the first nine, which are the top tier there, if you can see that.

GIULIANI: I can see it.

CAMEROTA: And then the bottom tier are all people who are jockeying for the tenth-place position. Isn't that funny? Look at that bottom tier. What do you think of how this debate, how the tenth slot is up for grabs in how they structure this debate? Does that serve the voters?

GIULIANI: Well, you know, everybody gets to do it differently. There's no perfect way to do it. I think I'd have two debates. I'd kind of divide them in half and have two debates on two different nights. The problem is, you'd want Trump in both of them to get the audience.

[07:10:09] BERMAN: You're laughing and smiling like a man who is not running for president right now.

GIULIANI: That is true.

BERMAN: You're taking great joy in all of this. I want to read you a tweet from John Weaver, who's the brain behind John Kasich's campaign right now. He's talking about debate preparation. He says, "Imagine a NASCAR driver mentally preparing for the race, knowing one of the drivers will be drunk. That's what prepping for this debate is like."

GIULIANI: Well, the fact is, I prepped for -- I had 11 or 12. Actually, at this time in our cycle, we had already had seven debates.

BERMAN: And you were the front-runner.

GIULIANI: I was the front-runner up until about August. And therefore, attacked more than anyone else. So you get ready for it. You know, you only have seven or eight minutes. I mean, divide -- divide ten by -- I don't know if it's a 60-minute debate or a 90- minute debate, but it's anywhere from five to eight minutes to perform. And what you try to do is get your points across.

And I don't think there's going to -- I don't think there's going to be as much attacking as you think. I think each one of them is going to be out there trying to make their point.

Trump is going to try to make his point on jobs, that he's the person who can create jobs, because he's reading the polls. That's what the American people are talking about. I think Bush is going to want to show what he can do for education, like he did in....

BERMAN: Even in support of common core? GIULIANI: Yes, because I think he feels, if he can overcome the

common core thing in the Republican primary, he's in great shape in the general election. If Bush can stick to his position on immigration and his position on common core, get the nomination, he becomes a much more powerful candidate against -- against Hillary.

CAMEROTA: Donald Trump told Don Lemon last night that he is not preparing in any sort of traditional way for the debate. He doesn't have a debate coach, because he just speaks his mind. He is who he is. What do you think of that strategy?

GIULIANI: I haven't talked to Donald about it. I would recommend a little debate preparation. I did a lot. I was a trial lawyer. So I had a judge who taught me, for every one hour in court, four hours of preparation. And I, every trial I ever had, which was close to 100, I always prepared relentlessly. The reason you've got to prepare is you've got to get those answers down...

BERMAN: Right.

GIULIANI: ... to within -- and you remember debates where people go over. It sounds bad.

BERMAN: A light goes off, the buzzer goes off.

GIULIANI: People get annoyed when you go over the buzzer. People get very upset about that. So you've got to learn how to tighten. That was always a problem for me, because I love to talk.

BERMAN: So Donald Trump, if you're watching, some advice here from Rudy Giuliani, who has run and has been on that stage.

GIULIANI: He's got some very powerful points to make about jobs, about immigration, about foreign policy. They've got to be made in, you know, short, tight, sentences.

BERMAN: Can we talk about Hillary Clinton for a moment right now?

GIULIANI: Sure.

BERMAN: Secretary Clinton's in a bit of a bind on the issue of the Keystone Oil Pipeline. She's been pressed by Democratic activists as she's gone to town meetings, particularly in New Hampshire, about her support for the pipeline. And she won't say whether she supports it or not. And her reason is because, well, she was part of the administration that put this all in motion. She doesn't feel like she should weigh in now until it's decided.

GIULIANI: You can't run on your accomplishments from being secretary of state -- and personally, as a Republican, I can't find any. I'm sure she's going to find some. But you can't run on your accomplishments as the secretary of state and not take a position on the Keystone Pipeline. I mean, this is absurd. This is like playing a game with the American people, and I think it is feeding into this very growing majority of people who feel she's dishonest. I believe she should be under investigation by the United States

attorney in the southern district of New York for obstruction of justice, for destroying government property. I think it's clear that she had a conflict of interest; her husband getting hundreds of millions of dollars. She's making decisions about companies and about corporations that he's getting money from. And I think they filed a joint tax return. I'd have her under investigation for about five different crimes right now.

And I think it's outrageous that the Justice Department is not moving forward with this. General Petraeus, a lot of other people have gone to jail...

BERMAN: Well, you didn't support the Petraeus decision, did you?

GIULIANI: Pardon me?

BERMAN: You didn't -- did you support the Petraeus decision?

GIULIANI: I would have let Petraeus off the hook.

BERMAN: Right. So you're saying you'll let him off the hook, but not Hillary Clinton?

GIULIANI: Hillary Clinton, there are five different acts that we're talking about.

BERMAN: But you just said you were going to take a hard line on Hillary Clinton and not Petraeus. You'd let him off.

GIULIANI: Petraeus gave away one or two little things. She destroyed a drive with 34,000 e-mails on it.

First of all, in a trial court, I could argue to a jury that that's an inference of guilt. If you are under investigation and you destroy evidence...

BERMAN: Adverse inference.

GIULIANI: ... adverse inference can be argued to a jury. A judge will charge a jury that the jury can assume that she destroyed that evidence because it contained bad information about Benghazi. The judge could charge a jury that.

The same thing with Brady, if we want to get to the other subject. His biggest problem is getting rid of the darn phone. The commissioner has a right to draw the inference he got rid of it, because it contained things that would hurt him with regard to this investigation.

CAMEROTA: You're touching a very sore spot with John Berman here, who loves Tom Brady.

GIULIANI: But he has a right to argue, "I did it for other reasons."

[07:15:06] But this is a true, criminal case against Hillary Clinton: 34,000 e-mails destroyed? The minute you use that phone as a personal and a government phone, it becomes a government phone. You no longer have a right to pick and choose what you're going to let the government see.

CAMEROTA: Rudy Giuliani.

GIULIANI: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Always great to get your unvarnished...

BERMAN: From Trump to Hillary to Tom Brady.

CAMEROTA: We covered it all.

BERMAN: Six minutes or less.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much, Mr. Mayor. Thanks for being here.

GIULIANI: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. Well, as John just mentioned, Hillary Clinton getting heat for refusing to answer whether she or not supports that controversial Keystone Pipeline proposal.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny has more for us this morning.

Good morning to you, Jeff.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: And good morning, Michaela. She took questions on health care, the economy, the threat of ISIS, and more as she met with voters in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

Though when it came to the Keystone Pipeline, Hillary Clinton said it wasn't appropriate for her to weigh in. She bluntly told a voter he would have to wait until she becomes president to say whether she would approve or reject it.

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ZELENY (voice-over): The town hall meeting.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's exciting to be back in Nashua.

ZELENY: A steamy summer staple of the presidential campaign.

CLINTON: There is no air-conditioning. That's right.

ZELENY: But the real heat for Hillary Clinton came during her response to this question.

BRUCE BLODGETT, NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTER: As president, would you sign a bill -- yes or no, please -- in favor of allowing the Keystone XL Pipeline?

CLINTON: This is President Obama's decision. I am not going to second-guess him, because I was in a position to set this in motion. And I do not think that would be the right thing to do. So I want to wait and see what he and Secretary Kerry decide. If it's undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.

ZELENY: When we caught up with the voter afterward, he said it was not quite the matter-of-fact reply he was looking for.

(on camera): You asked a very direct question of Secretary Clinton. What do you think of her answer?

BLODGETT: I just thought it was a very weak answer. I just want to know where she stands on it, one way or the other. Part of running for president is, you know, you've got to give an answer.

ZELENY (voice-over): The Keystone XL Pipeline would move oil from Canada to U.S. refineries. It's a flash point for environmentalists. Clinton spoke favorably about it as secretary of state, but has not taken a stand as a presidential candidate.

CLINTON: I am sorry if people want me to. I've been very clear I will not express an opinion until they have made a decision. And then I will do so.

ZELENY: Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders called out his rival for not stating her position, saying, "It is hard for me to understand how one can be concerned about climate change but not vigorously oppose the Keystone Pipeline."

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ZELENY: Now it's not just Sanders. Other environmentalists who oppose the pipeline are also criticizing Clinton for not stating her view.

One top campaign aide told me they are well aware of this criticism, but Clinton still believes in -- that weighing in now could, quote, "be disruptive to the process and not the responsible thing to do."

But let's be clear about this. She's also not eager to be boxed into a corner. Some Democrats support the plan, saying it creates jobs. Others oppose it, saying it hurts the environment. The risk here for Clinton, of course, is that she could look like she's being less than forthcoming as a candidate -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Jeff Zeleny, thanks so much for all of that.

Well, another story to tell you about. Eight children injured, two critically, when a huge tree fell on them just outside of a children's museum in Pasadena, California. The injured kids believed to be among the dozens participating in a summer camp at this museum. The tree falling as they waited to be picked up. Museum workers, parents and emergency crews quickly responded, cutting tree limbs to find trapped children. City officials are investigating. BERMAN: Near catastrophe in North Dakota as a commercial pilot is

told he can't land his plane with only minutes of fuel remaining. The pilot of the Legion (ph) Air Flight 426 from Las Vegas to Fargo told air traffic control he didn't have enough fuel to make it to a backup airport when he learned his runway was closed so the Navy's Blue Angels could practice for an upcoming show.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There will be a window of opening in about 20 minutes for a landing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't have 20 minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I'm going to give them about another three minutes to see if we can set 3358894.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I'll see if we can get that -- get this coordinated prior that I get down there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Happy to do that. I'll do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you for helping.

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BERMAN: The plane did manage to land safely at the airport. You would think that if the Blue Angels are going to be practicing there, they would know about these things and prepare going forward.

PEREIRA: There's not a lot of room for negotiation there.

CAMEROTA: And it sounded like the pilot sounded that way. He was no nonsense: "I don't have 20 minutes. I'm going to give you three minutes."

PEREIRA: Yes. Let's get this plane landed safely.

All right. Meanwhile, Donald Trump under fire, again. This time for reportedly calling a female lawyer disgusting. And it was all because of her breast pump. That lawyer joins us live with her story, next.

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CAMEROTA: Now, to the latest in the Trump files. An article in this morning's "New York Times" gives a window into how Donald Trump behaved during a deposition in 2011. Hypersensitive, boorish, demeaning and hyperbolic are just some of the adjectives used to describe Trump in this article. And this whole story revolves around a breast pump.

Joining us now is the attorney who deposed Donald Trump back then, Elizabeth Beck.

Elizabeth, thanks so much for being here.

ELIZABETH BECK, ATTORNEY: Hi, thank you for having me.

CAMEROTA: Before we get to the breast pump, very quickly, can you just explain why you were deposing Donald Trump in 2011, what it was about?

BECK: Yes, I represented a group of people who put down significant amount of money as down payments on Trump real estate, specifically condominiums in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. The project failed, and they lost their money. So they hired my firm and they hired me to get their deposits back.

CAMEROTA: OK. And at that time, you had just given birth, three months earlier to a baby, and you were breast-feeding.

BECK: Yes.

CAMEROTA: And you had arranged it...

BECK: Yes.

CAMEROTA: ... with Trump's team that you would take a break at an appropriate time and excuse yourself to go and use your breast pump. What happened when you tried to take that break?

BECK: That is absolutely correct. The lunch break was agreed to by everyone. It was pre-negotiated. It was -- nobody had any issues with it. When lunchtime came around, Donald Trump did not agree to the break. He said no breaks. I needed to take a break.

[07:25:14] CAMEROTA: And you say that he lost it. I mean, you say that -- you described it as he lost it?

BECK: Yes.

CAMEROTA: And he had a meltdown. Can you describe it?

BECK: He had -- he had -- he had an absolute meltdown. When I said that I needed the break, and it was for breast pumping purposes, he got up. His face got red. He shook his finger at me, and he screamed, "You're disgusting; you're disgusting," and he ran out of there.

And we were not able to conclude his deposition that day. It was concluded in South Florida, where he flew down, and I was able to conclude my deposition.

CAMEROTA: So he left the -- because you wanted to -- it is your understanding that, because you wanted to take a break to -- for breast pumping, he called you disgusting. I believe at the time, you said he also called you uptight, and the he left the deposition entirely?

BECK: Correct. He left, and we did not see him again that day.

CAMEROTA: OK.

BECK: Or that week.

CAMEROTA: Here is what's Trump attorney has said in response to your story. Let's put this up: "Trump's language was in no way a statement about her decision to breast-feed or pump. It was solely the fact that she was appearing to do it in the middle of a deposition. In my 20 years of legal practice, I've never seen more bizarre behavior at a deposition. That is what led to his remark."

What's your response?

BECK: That is absolutely untrue. As anybody who breast-feeds their baby understands, you have a breast pump, which is an apparatus, and you just need a private room with an electrical outlet. So all I was requesting was a break, that everybody had agreed to, during lunch hour, so that I can excuse myself and pump my baby's food in the privacy of a room.

CAMEROTA: And you were not going to do it in the middle of the deposition?

BECK: That's -- no, no. And I don't think -- I don't think anybody is actually saying that. If they are saying that now, that's news to me.

CAMEROTA: So, this is an interesting story, obviously. And it's interesting to see how Donald Trump behaved in this particular moment. But do you think that this is relevant to his presidential race?

BECK: Yes! The reason is, Donald Trump ran out of there because the idea of breast pumping so distressed him that he really couldn't handle it. So, it makes you wonder, what kind of a presidential candidate, who can't even handle a legal proceeding, a deposition, that involves a breast pump, and he has to just run out of there and just basically have a meltdown? And he has to fly down later at his own time and expense, because he couldn't handle it at that time? What kind of a leader of the United States would that be?

Is he going to behave that way when he's negotiating treaties with China or Russia? You have to wonder about these things.

CAMEROTA: So you're saying that, if the pressure of a breast pump, if he caved and folded, how would he deal with Putin?

BECK: Yes. Because let me tell you, I don't think he was expecting that to happen.

CAMEROTA: So it was the unexpected?

BECK: I don't know. Maybe it was unexpected. It was not a big deal. Most people, none of the attorneys were really concerned. I asked for a break. They didn't really object to the break. And when I told them it was for that purpose later on, nobody batted an eye. But he just completely could not handle it.

CAMEROTA: So Elizabeth, I mean, do you consider the way he treated you that day to be, quote, "presidential"? BECK: I think nonpresidential is the least of what you can call his

behavior that day, and I don't say that personally. But I say it's -- it was unprofessional. It was a lack of self-control. It was fear. It was panic. It was a whole host of things. And I don't think any of those things should attach to anybody running for president.

CAMEROTA: Elizabeth Beck, thanks so much for coming on NEW DAY and sharing your personal story. We appreciate it.

BECK: Thank you so much.

CAMEROTA: Love to know what you think about this. You can find me on Twitter, @AlisynCamerota.

Meanwhile, let's get over to John.

BERMAN: All right. Thanks, Alisyn.

Let's talk about the other side now. Hillary Clinton's Democratic challengers now naming names, going after her directly. So, what is behind the change in tone? We'll ask John King, coming up, "Inside Politics."

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