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Presidential Candidates Prepare for Debates; Jon Stewart Says Goodbye to 'The Daily Show'. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired August 06, 2015 - 08:30   ET

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[08:30:00] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Longest show on CNN. It ain't enough time, so we're going to have extended coverage tomorrow morning of what happens at the debates tonight. We'll have Jeffrey Lord here and Ana Navarro. They're going to join us but we're going to start at 5:00 tomorrow morning and J.B. will come in as well. So the coverage is going to be starting earlier and it will be complete, we promise you that.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Something else that's happening tonight, Jon Stewart signs off tonight as the host of "The Daily Show." So we will take a look back at his 16 years behind the fake news desk and what we might be able to expect tonight.

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C. CUOMO: Time for the cinco cosas, the five things you need to know for your new day.

Number one, reports that new debris possibly from inside MH-370 has been recovered. A Malaysian official says seat cushions, window panes and aluminum foil were found on Reunion Island.

The man killed by Nashville police after attack moviegoers with pepper spray and a hatchet had been committed for psychiatric problems four times since 2004.

The first Republican debate of the 2016 presidential race is tonight in Cleveland. Donald Trump looking to retain his front runner status with the whole field expected to target attacks on Hillary Clinton.

[08:35:11] President Obama urging lawmakers to approve the Iran nuclear deal next month. In a speech Wednesday he said rejecting the deal is a vote for war, saying opponents are making an historic mistake.

Jon Stewart hosts his final "Daily Show" tonight. Yes, it's true, the comedian leaving the show after 16 years behind the fake news desk. Word is he's going to say he's been getting it wrong about CNN all this time. That's what it is, and about us in particular.

For more on the five things to know, go to newdaycnn.com for the latest.

So, how about this one? You having some trouble shedding the extras, the little poundage there. In today's "New Day, New You," it turns out stress may be sabotaging your diet. According to a study by the University of Zurich in Switzerland, researchers found areas in the brain associated with reward are increased in folks under stress, while parts of the brain linked to self-control are dialed down. So what does this mean? People under pressure are more likely to chow down on junk food more often than their chilled out counterparts, which is why the relatively tame Alisyn is built like this and I am 220 pounds of rage.

Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Finally, an explanation. Thank you, Chris.

So will Donald Trump help or hurt himself tonight? And which candidate has the most to win? We will talk with two men who have had their own memorable debate experiences, Rudy Giuliani and John Sununu. That's next.

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[08:40:29] CAMEROTA: Ten Republicans will - I see you're getting ready - will take the main stage tonight during the GOP debate. And, oh, by the way, Donald Trump is one of them. So what should we expect? Let's bring in Rudy Giuliani. He's the former mayor of New York City, and he himself was a presidential candidate in 2008. Joining us from the debate site is former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu, former chief of staff to President George H.W. Bush and author of "The Quite Man: The Indispensable Presidency of George H.W. Bush."

Gentlemen, it's great to have both of you here. You both know your way around a debate stage.

Mr. Mayor, let's start with you. What did you do that was effective in preparing for a debate?

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER NYC MAYOR: I spent a lot of time with policy briefings. You know, with all your people around the room going over, what are you going to ask about immigration, this case, what do you ask about Iran, what are you going to ask about the budget?

CAMEROTA: But you can over study.

GIULIANI: You can. And, in fact, you can have too many advisors. So I remember there was one point in which I had about six people around the room and they were giving me six different answers. And by that time my head was spinning and I threw them all out and we worked with just one - worked with just one person. And I found that more effective.

And pretty much what you heard today, on the day of the debate, I kind of relaxed and - it's like an exam. You know, I now know everything I can know. Now the question is, can I be relaxed, perform? I would recommend to all of them, you know, smile appropriately. Don't - don't look - look is just as important as what you say.

In a courtroom, when I tried cases - and I tried 100 - I would tell my clients what the jury - the jury sees you more than it hears from you. They're going to see these people more than they hear them tonight, right? They're only going to be on seven minutes. They're going to come from - from impressions based on - I think you mentioned earlier, Quail, you know, not looking at his - at his opponent. Those things can be more important sometimes than what they say unless they make a big mistake.

C. CUOMO: So, Gov, what do you say to someone when you're getting them ready for a night like tonight? You know, playing on Mike Tyson's words and the mayor's sentiment, everybody's got a plan until you get punched in the face. So what do you tell somebody who's going into this tonight about how to be?

GOV. JOHN SUNUNU, FMR. CHIEF OF STAFF TO PRESIDENT GEORGE H.W. BUSH: Well, I think the most important focus is similar to what Rudy said. I think demeanor in this first debate is going to be as important as what people say, as long as they don't say something dumb. But demeanor is crucial. And they've got to look presidential. They've got to handle the questions and the response. And if that punch comes along, they've got to react in a presidential way rather than in an emotional way.

CAMEROTA: Governor, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're one of the voices who believes that the Donald Trump tidal wave is going to come crashing down (INAUDIBLE).

SUNUNU: I do. I think a perfect example of why is his silly statement that he's going to make the Mexicans pay for the wall. Look, you've got to understand the world. He may be a great reality mogul. He may be a great showman. But in some of the stuff he has said lately, it is clear he doesn't understand the role and the responsibility of the president of the United States and I think over time that's going to be a lot more clear

CAMEROTA: So, governor, is tonight that night? Is tonight the night that you believe that becomes exposed?

SUNUNU: I - I think it - it - look, tonight is the - is - this week is really the beginning, if you will, of the presidential campaign for the Republican nomination. And - and so it's the beginning. It's not necessarily - I said the other day, it's not - it's going to happen more with a whimper than a bang when Trump falls. But - but this process, over the next seven to eight months will wear away at it and people will understand that they may like the words they're hearing now, but there's a guy behind these words who's a great showman, loves to brag about himself, but in terms of the details and substance of policy, how you negotiate policy with a Congress, how you deal with foreign leaders, how you reestablish America's reputation around the world, that's not the guy you want.

C. CUOMO: And yet you don't want to mistake the message for the man. What is behind Donald Trump is people aren't happy with their party, they're not happy with politicians, they're not happy with government, and he represents the antidote, or at least the opposite, of all of those things.

GIULIANI: Yes. C. CUOMO: So what's the trick for the GOP?

GIULIANI: Well, let's take the -

C. CUOMO: Because you don't want to just say, Donald Trump -

SUNUNU: he doesn't represent - he doesn't represent the antidote.

CAMEROTA: Hold on.

C. CUOMO: Go ahead, governor.

SUNUNU: I'm sorry. I thought it was -

C. CUOMO: You can both come at me.

[08:44:57] SUNUNU: He doesn't represents the antidote, he represents the headline underscoring that angst. And I grant that that is real. But in order to solve that angst, you need somebody that is capable of fulfilling the role and responsibility of the president.

The biggest problem we have in Washington is a lack of presidential leadership. You don't break gridlock without presidential leadership. I worked for a president that had to deal with a Congress overwhelmingly Democrat. He spent his political capital in getting the right results.

CAMEROTA: Yeah, go ahead Mayor Giuliani.

GIULIANI: So I think Donald Trump is actually fulfilling that need for leadership. That's what you're seeing. Like the statement about, I'll have the Mexicans pay for the wall, which sounds wrong to some people. That sounds like a guy who's going to negotiate on our behalf. That sounds like a guy who's going to fight for America. He's not going to accept the status quo of, well, Mexico can dictate how many people come over the border.

CAMEROTA: And that is a feeling. But does it sound realistic?

GIULIANI: Well, a lot of stuff Ronald Reagan said didn't sound realistic. I mean, I'm going to stand up to the Soviets when everybody else wanted to do detante. I'm going to deploy cruise misses when everyone said it would cause World War III. When he made that mistake about attacking Russia, you know, spoken to the microphone.

If you read Gorbachev's book, Gorbachev's book tell you that's one of the things that turned around the Cold War. So I think Americans are thirsting for somebody who's tough. And some of the stuff you might not agree with that Donald is saying, but he sounds like a guy who's going to take charge and he's going to take it to them. America is going to go on offense. And I think people who like him and people who don't even like him that much are reacting to that.

SUNUNU: You're confusing loud with tough.

C. C. CUOMO: Loud with tough, Governor just said. Are you confusing those two?

GIULIANI: Well, maybe people are. The question is -

SUNUNU: You're confusing loud with tough.

GIULIANI: Let's see how he performs. And also, let's be respectful to him because we don't want a third party candidate. I mean, give him a shot. Give him his shot to show the American people I can be presidential. Or if he's going to destroy himself, let him destroy himself. But don't make the mistake of just shutting him off like he's some kind of stupid, because he's not. This is a mostly successful man. He has the most television experience of anyone on that stage by a lot. He's the only one that's had a hit show that's going to be on that stage. Hey, that's like an actor I remember.

SUNUNU: He doesn't have as much as the Kardashians, though.

CAMEROTA: Are you saying that the Kardashians should run for president?

GIULIANI: We shouldn't be doing that. That's the part which, I understood, we shouldn't be doing that --

SUNUNU: No. I'm saying Donald Trump shouldn't.

GIULIANI: We shouldn't be demeaning them. What John just did is a big mistake. We should not be doing that. We should be listening to him, criticizing where we disagree with him, just the way we criticize all the others, but don't make the mistake of just sort of pushing him aside. One of two things could happen. He could take off or you could end up with a very bitter man who feels that he's being called names.

C. C. CUOMO: And people who support him feel like they've been disrespected as well.

GIULIANI: You had him on. He is representing a viewpoint that exists.

CAMEROTA: And there's a lot of passion around him. Absolutely. Undeniably, there's a lot of passion. Guys, sorry we have to go. We're going to save this for tomorrow.

Governor Sununu, Mayor Giuliani, thanks so much for your take. So interesting to talk to both of you.

Something else is happening tonight. Jon Stewart is bidding farewell. His "Daily Show" goes away tonight. It's been quite a ride and it is sure to be quite a sendoff. We will take a look at what to expect.

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[08:52:30] JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is going on here?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

The world is demonstrably worse than when I started. Have I caused this?

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CAMEROTA: Yes, it's the apocalypse. Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" coming to an end tonight. Last night you heard him joking about taking down targets like ISIS, racism, Fox News, Wall Street, before concluding, as you just saw, that the world is actually worse that when he started 16 years ago.

So what can we expect tonight? CNN senior media correspondent, host of "RELIABLE SOURCES," Brian Stelter is live outside Stewart's New York studio. Hi, Brian.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Hey there. I thought we'd be alone out here this morning. But actually there are already dozens and dozens of Jon Stewart's fans. They are in line because they want to be in the audience for the final taping tonight. It's not going to start for about nine hours, but they want to be here to see him and send him off.

We know there will be some surprise guests, Alisyn, we don't know who. I spoke to the president of Comedy Central, she would reveal nothing about the finale, says that's the way Jon Stewart wants it. He is really signing off on his own terms. Jon Stewart's not retiring all together, but he is retiring from "The Daily Show," which he's been doing 16, almost 17 years. It's really been a remarkable run.

I know a lot of liberals have loved him, especially in recent years. A lot of conservatives loathe him. But everyone's had to pay attention to Jon Stewart. He has taught a lot about how to use television, use video clips to hold people accountable, both politicians and, yes, occasionally, cable news anchors. Of course, Trevor Noah will be taking over in September, but tonight will be all about Jon. Back to you.

CAMEROTA: It's going to be an interesting night for a lot of reasons tonight. All right, Brian, thanks so much for helping us preview it.

STELTER: Absolutely.

C. C. CUOMO: What will people watch more? What do you think? Tweet her.

[08:54:24] Coming up, "The Good Stuff."

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ANNOUNCER: We interrupt this "Good Stuff" for a special announcement from the Governor of New York. GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: Christopher Cuomo is turning 45

years old. That is old. I know that I tend to mock my little brother, because that's one of the reasons you have a little brother is to mock a little brother.

C. CUOMO (voice-over): Did you know about this?

CAMEROTA (voice-over): A little bit.

A. C. CUOMO: And my little brother just offers you so much to mock. I will still mock him because that's what I'm supposed to do in life. And plus, because I enjoy it, frankly, on a personal level. But at the end of the day, I have tremendous respect for him. He has tremendous ability. He's a great father, he's a great friend, he's a great colleague, he's a great journalist. My dad was very proud of him and rightfully so. Happy birthday, Chris.

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C. C. CUOMO: Okay. Is he gone? Is he gone? What does he mean (INAUDIBLE)? This was not nice.

CAMEROTA: Yes. It's your birthday -

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It's your birthday.

CAMEROTA: It's your birthday on Sunday, but we have a big day here tomorrow so we didn't want to take time tomorrow and do it.

BERMAN: Your birthday is not big enough to actually rate on the day it is.

CAMEROTA: That's true, so we decided to do it today.

C. C. CUOMO: That's true, isn't it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too much news tomorrow to celebrate your birthday.

CAMEROTA: And it's the weekend.

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C. C. CUOMO: 45 is pretty big.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How does it feel?

C. C. CUOMO: Crushing. Soul crushing, I think is a good way to put it. I feel much less than I once was. But I feel better for having people like you in my life. Thank you for doing that. Thanks to the Gov, as I always say to you, spend more time lowering my taxes and less time talking about me. Jon Stewart had that right.

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CAMEROTA: That was great. We got a great surprise. Also, Michaela wants to say happy birthday. She and I both put a message online that you will have to go online to Facebook and Twitter -

C. C. CUOMO: Oh, more mockery.

CAMEROTA: -- to see from us.

C. C. CUOMO: Did J.B. get a little dig in there also?

BERMAN: No. Happy birthday. You made it to 45. No one thought it would happen.