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Trump Talks Immigration; Interview with Jerry Springer. Aired 8:30-9a ET
Aired August 20, 2015 - 08:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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[08:31:55] MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: The music tells me it's time for the five things you need to know for your NEW DAY.
At number one, both Donald Trump and Jeb Bush in attack mode at dueling events in New Hampshire Wednesday. Trump also sitting down with that fellow we know as Chris Cuomo, saying Hillary Clinton's e- mail scandal could cost her the presidential election.
North and South Korea exchanging fire this morning over their heavily enforced border. The South said it fired several rounds of shells after the North launched a rocket at them.
ISIS now claiming responsibility for carrying out a car bomb attack at a security building in Cairo. We're told dozens of people were injured.
A violent night in St. Louis. Police using tear gas on a crowd of demonstrators after the fatal shooting of a black teenager who allegedly pointed a gun at police. Nine of those demonstrators were arrested.
Former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle agreeing to plead guilty to child porn charges and having sex with minors. He now faces up to 12 and a half years in prison. He will pay a total of $1.4 million in restitution to victims in the case.
And, of course, you can get more on the five things to know by visiting newdaycnn.com.
All right, in today's "New Day, New You," are you looking to shed some pounds?
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Yes.
PEREIRA: Well - oh, not you.
CUOMO: Oh.
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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, I like it.
PEREIRA: So would it help melt away pounds and also reduce health risks? They believe so. But they say do not expect a miracle pill any time soon. Keep that gym membership. Researchers caution they've got a long way to go.
And apparently someone put in the teleprompter, "Cuomo is awesome."
CAMEROTA: I hate when he does that.
CUOMO: I don't know who you're talking about.
PEREIRA: I wish we could get a picture of that because that is awesome.
CUOMO: It's not true.
CAMEROTA: Oh, that's fantastic.
CUOMO: Making that up to America and beyond.
Jeb Bush and Donald Trump toe to toe, but they ain't dancing. Who came out on top? We're breaking it down with political experts for you.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They're illegal immigrants. They came over illegally. Some are wonderful people and they've been here for a while. They've got to go out. They've got to leave.
CUOMO: But how do you do it in a practical way? You really think you can round up 11 million people?
TRUMP: Look, I don't - you know what, at some point, we're going to try getting them back, the good ones.
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CUOMO: But how will he do it? That's going to be the question that Donald Trump will be faced with on his hard line stance that every undocumented immigrant, all 11 million of them, have to go. The so- called good ones, that's just some of what we talked about, that he's going to bring those back.
Let's bring in CNN political commentator, former White House political director for Ronald Reagan, Jeffrey Lord, and CNN political commentator and Jeb Bush supporter, Ana Navarro.
Let me ask you something, Jeffrey. This confrontation of fact and promise that we have with Donald Trump, he can blow past it in an interview, but eventually won't there be an accountability that he'll have to deal with?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure, when he's president. I mean, you know, up until you -
CUOMO: Not before?
LORD: Up until you take the oath of office, everything is a promise. Everybody makes political promises. And, you know, I have to say at the moment that sort of political class and a lot of candidates are in sort of not good standing with the American people because they think once they get elected, they don't carry through. So, you know, every candidate is dealt with on the basis of their record. And in Donald Trump's case, you know, the Trump empire is a record in and of itself.
CAMEROTA: Hey, Ana, can you and I do some math this morning? Because I have some numbers to throw at you.
ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Not my forte, but if you insist.
CAMEROTA: Well, I'll - I'll tee them up for you. This is about Hispanics. Twenty-eight million Hispanics. Well, here's the poll that I wasn't going to call for yet, but as you can see, this is among Hispanic voters Donald Trump has the lowest approval rating. So Clinton gets 66 percent -
NAVARRO: Shocker.
CAMEROTA: Of the favorability. He gets 13 percent. But the math I wanted to do is that there are 28 million Hispanics who are eligible to vote in the next election. So how does he win with just that fraction of their support?
NAVARRO: The answer is that he doesn't. Either that or he's got to get an enormous amount, overwhelming amount, not only of Republicans, but also of independents, you know, in every other category to win. Look, I think - I think that's why you see that even 58 percent of Republicans tell you that it's more winnable, the race is more winnable with anybody else running in the general election.
[08:40:25] CAMEROTA: But, Jeffrey, you see a path. I mean do you - you see a path of working class Americans who are being sort of energized by Donald Trump. He's sort of speaking their language. And can he win with them over Hispanics who are not turning to him?
LORD: Sure - sure he can. And I'd also say, the fastest growing demographic in the country is - I hate to say this, senior citizens. And they vote. And I would imagine that he'd do very well with them. You know there's a Quinnipiac poll out this morning that shows Donald Trump leading Jeb Bush in Florida. How about that for a little shocker? So, yes, indeed, I think he can. And I think what used - what we used to call Reagan Democrats are maybe on their way to becoming what we call Trump Democrats.
CUOMO: Can you point to any other major election where alienating a group of this size wound up yielding a victory? LORD: Any other election?
CUOMO: You're a historian.
LORD: It would be -
CUOMO: I'm giving you the basis of it. I'm giving you the benefit of history. Ever is what I'm saying to you.
LORD: Well, you know, notoriously the Republican Party has not done well with the African-American community. Ronald Reagan was elected twice in a landslide. In two landslides.
CUOMO: But he didn't take an active position against them. And, in fact, as you well know, you know, and I almost apologize for this because you know Reagan's record much better than I'll ever know it, he did not take a stance like this on immigration that Donald Trump has.
LORD: Well - well, you know, Chris, the one thing, when you look at the CNN polls and the internals of it, one of the things that is very striking is the percentages that - supporting Donald Trump on the basis of the economy. And, you know, Hispanics are Americans just like everybody else here. You know, their jobs are affected. The fact that they can or cannot own a home. The economy is an incredibly important issue. And I really do think that that overrides the kind of considerations you're talking about. Not totally, but I do think it makes serious inroads in it.
CAMEROTA: Ana, how do you explain what Jeffrey was just talking about in that - that new Quinnipiac poll out this morning that shows that Jeb Bush gets 17 percent and Donald Trump gets 21 in Florida?
NAVARRO: I think - I think there's 17 - there's 17 people running. And right now it is Trump and then everybody else divvying up the pie. Jeb is consistently at number two. And, you know, it seems that Donald Trump is obsessed with Jeb, which I actually think is a good thing for both of them. So there is Trump and if Jeb is going to be the anti- Trump, I would say to you as a Jeb Bush supporter, I think that's a very good place to be because it is distinguishing two people out of what is a field of what feels like 400 people running for the Republican nomination.
CUOMO: Well, it's a good spin except that Jeb Bush was supposed to be the prohibitive number one, you know, because of his money and his recognition and his pedigree.
Jeffrey, let me ask you this, though. Yes, Donald Trump has made a big move on the GOP in certain brackets, but he's got 58 percent of the party in a CNN/ORC poll saying that they don't want them essentially. How does he build a bigger tent? How does he get (INAUDIBLE)?
LORD: Yes, that - that will change overtime. I mean, you know, I think I mentioned before there was a December 1979 poll that showed Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan 60-36 percent. These things change as time moves on here. CUOMO: Is that Donald Trump?
LORD: Sure, does he have to expand it? I'm sure he will. I mean I don't have any doubt about as this sort of bandwagon picks up steam, I've always felt, and Ana just touched on this, I've always felt that we were going to come down to one outsider and one insider, if you will. The outsider pretty clearly is apparently going to be Donald Trump. You know, I thought Ben Carson or Senator Cruz or possibly Carly Fiorina could have been in there, but apparently it's going to be Donald Trump. And the insider is, I think, I think she's right, is Jeb Bush. And so it might well come down to a sort of mono on mono between those two.
CAMEROTA: All right, well, we will see what happens at the next debate. That's in September. That's a CNN debate, September 16th.
Ana, Jeffrey, thanks so much. Great to see you guys.
LORD: Thanks, guys.
NAVARRO: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: Michaela.
PEREIRA: Morton Downey Jr., he was not known to hold back on his talk show.
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MORTON DOWNEY JR., TALK SHOW HOST: A single out - Israel for criticism -- it's anti-Semitism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is not (INAUDIBLE).
DOWNEY: That is the cry, Alan (ph).
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[08:44:48] PEREIRA: Well, that clip proves what I just said. Well, another evocateur, Jerry Springer, is here today. No, not for paternity testing, but rather to talk about Morton Downey Jr., the subject of a new CNN film, politics and an important milestone for his show. You know want to say it. "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry."
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TRUMP: Honestly, I think we're led by stupid people. There will be nobody better than Donald Trump.
Excuse me, you're not a baby. You're not a baby.
I'm really rich.
Mexico is going to pay for the wall, and they're going to be happy about it.
Ladies and gentleman, President of the United States, Donald J. Trump!
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PEREIRA: Just a little Trumpisms there that you've all come to know and love -- love it or hate it. He may be monopolizing the headlines, but is he really an aberration or merely the GOP with a bullhorn, as our next guest suggests?
Joining us to talk about all things Trump and the race for 2016 is a man who knows a thing or two about politics, the former Cincinnati Mayor and the one and only host of "The Jerry Springer Show," Jerry Springer himself.
Congratulations on the milestone about your show. We'll talk about that in a minute. But I think that it's so interesting to peg off what we were just talking about with Donald Trump. You say you think that America is missing the point on Trump. What do you mean by that?
JERRY SPRINGER, HOST, THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW: Well, first of all, we shouldn't kid ourselves. He's very smart and he's also very successful. When he says he wants to do something, don't assume that he won't know how to do it. That's the first thing. Secondly, I think the reason the Republican Party is having difficulty with Trump is because in terms of where he stands on the issues, that's what the core of the Republican believes.
[08:50:08] You see, if Trump were a Democrat, the Democrats would simply say you're out of the party, we don't believe in what you're saying. The Republicans can't really say that. They don't like how he's saying it because it's embarrassing to them. But they can't really attack him because the base of the Republican Party is with him on the issues. They wouldn't say it the same.
It's like a child. If mom and dad are in the kitchen and they're talking and they're saying, oh, Sally was over for dinner, she's put on a lot of weight. But the kid's in the other room, they don't know the kid's listening. The next time sally comes over, the kid say, mommy says you've put on a lot of weight. You're embarrasses. Oh my gosh, I can't she said that. But it's the truth. You actually said that.
CAMEROTA: Wait a second. You think that the Democrats have never had any sort of coarse candidates? Do you think that the Democrats are always civilized? Isn't it politics?
SPRINGER: No. But I'm saying his stance on the issues. No. I'm saying Trump's stance on the issues is consistent with the stance that most Republicans take. They're with him on immigration. They're with him on the women's issues. They're with him on Planned Parenthood. They're with him on these issues --
CUOMO: How far does he go? SPRINGER: I think he goes much further than the pundits are saying.
The reason is because all the polling only talks to people that vote regularly or are likely vote. But with Trump you are suddenly going to get a whole bunch of people that normally don't like the political process because they don't like politicians. They're going to be turned on by Trump. They will show up. I think -- Look, I don't like his views. I'm opposed to him, but I'm not going to pretend that he's just a momentary blip. This guy could become the candidate.
PEREIRA: Pull up Jerry's tweets. He's a mad tweeter. I want to read this tweet that you tweeted following the GOP debate. "I know I'm biased, but watching the Repubs debate, if they're going to do my show, the least they could do is ask me."
SPRINGER: I know. Now I know you guys get the next debate, but I am saying, come on Repubs, come on my show. It's perfect. It's perfect. You'll feel comfortable. We've got chairs. You know? Bring it on my show.
CAMEROTA: Jerry, aren't you in some ways responsible for the rise of Donald Trump? I mean, to exactly what you're talking about --
PEREIRA: You're going to blame Jerry?
CAMEROTA: Yes. Your talk show --
SPRINGER: He is not my child. I was out of town.
CAMEROTA: The advent of reality TV and the shock TV that your show has represented, that led to reality TV and Donald Trump's show and the Donald Trump show, the spectacle of it all. Isn't it connected?
SPRINGER: Well, what is connected -- We're all part of a trend. In the last 30 years there's been the Democratization of society, as well as the media, as well as entertainment. It used to be that you'd have a couple of entertainers on the stage, whether they're athletes, you'd watch the arena, you'd watch the screen, you'd watch the theater and the people, we would sit and watch. But along came technology and all of a sudden it became interactive and people had the internet and so now the audience is the entertainment. So you have --
CAMEROTA: Particularly on shows like yours.
SPRINGER: Yes. So you have talk shows. So you have "American Idol," "America's Got Talent." The people themselves become the entertainers. They vote. You have reality television, regular people on television talking about their lives. It's inevitable.
PEREIRA: But look - This is a perfect segue. Thank you very much for teeing up our next little soundbite from Morton Downey Jr.'s show, "Evocateur," that we're going to be previewing. Take a look at this.
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DOWNEY: Hey, mom, do you know where your teenager is tonight? Is he just hanging around? Huh? You know, let me tell you - UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wrote these clauses in because the audience was going to be yelling, kill the guy, I'm as mad as you are! I tell you what I'd do to him. Should we hang this kid?
AUDIENCE: Yeah!
DOWNEY: You betcha! Die!
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CAMEROTA: Oh my god.
CUOMO: He didn't really hang him.
CAMEROTA: He didn't?
CUOMO: No. But look --
SPRINGER: And here he is today.
CUOMO: But I'll tell you what. Let's do a parallel. Morton Downey Jr. was a huge phenomenon when I was growing up. I mean, I know he played in a lot of places, but for the New York audience he was big. And one of the reasons it did was this unvarnished truth that people thought they were getting out of him. It made you a little unsettled. You weren't sure that it should be said, but it felt right on a level. Kind of like Trump.
SPRINGER: Well, in terms of it's not politically correct, yes, you're exactly right on that.
CUOMO: Something that's true isn't always politically correct.
SPRINGER: Exactly. First of all, let me distinguish myself from "The Morton Downey Show," only to the point that Morton Downey was a talent, but he was the show. He was -- on political and cultural issues, he confronted the guests.
PEREIRA: That's true.
[08:54:54] SPRINGER: And my show, people aren't watching my show because of me. They're watching because of the guests. In other words, ours is a circus. He took on serious issues. We don't take on serious issues. Our show is about who is dating who and the people get angry, but tomorrow they're dating someone else. Ours is not a serious show. Our show is silly. I've said it a million times. It's ridiculous.
PEREIRA: But one thing that your show is doing is that it has staying power. You are celebrating 25 years. Eight others have only done this. Carson, Letterman, Donahue, Larry King, Oprah, Alex Trebek, Bob Barker and Captain Kangaroo and now Jerry Springer.
SPRINGER: I'd like to formally apologize. I'm sorry. I've ruined the culture. I'm so sorry. PEREIRA: Jerry Springer, we do love when you come to visit. Thanks for
having a great conversation with us. And thanks for also teeing up our special, the CNN film, "Evocateur: The Morton Downey Jr. Story," it airs tonight right here on CNN, 9:00 p.m. Be sure to tune in. We'll be right back.
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CAMEROTA: Look at this. We've gotten a major upgrade --
PEREIRA: Major.
CAMEROTA: -- to our show.
CUOMO: We wanted to make you feel more comfortable, so I'm going to attack both of them now.
SPRINGER: It's time for "NEWSROOM" with Carol Costello.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: I am so honored.
CAMEROTA: So much of an upgrade, isn't it?
COSTELLO: I love Jerry - I do. I love you, Jerry Springer, I do.
SPRINGER: I love you, Carol. No. I really love you.
CUOMO: Move along. Move along.
COSTELLO: All right. I guess I will. "NEWSROOM" starts now.
