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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It has arrived. The very first Democratic presidential debate tonight.

[05:58:26] HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you are going to run for president, then you should represent all the people of the United States.

BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And let's not try to demonize people who may have disagreements with us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Each of these candidates, they have to define themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am unbought, and I am unbossed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They feel strongly about where we're going as a country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not about the words. It's about the actions.

CLINTON: I will fight as hard as I can to earn every vote.

SANDERS: Join the political revolution. Let's transform America.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, October 13, 6 a.m. in the East. That's lunchtime here in Vegas, baby. Live from the Wynn Hotel.

It is time, as they say before the big fights out here. Tonight is the high-stakes Democratic debate. Michaela is in New York, in case Camerota's love of the slots gets the better of her and she abandons her post. Hopefully, it does not happen, but there is no substitute for seeing the main candidates next to each other on stage, answering the same questions. It's the best way to evaluate them. That's what you have with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, along with the rest of the field right here on CNN in the hotel behind us. The campaigns are hyping and spinning. So we've got lots of great info for you on what to expect tonight.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Meanwhile, there are some developments in the game-changing wild card known as Joe Biden's decision. One top senator says she believes he will run.

Let's begin CNN's debate coverage with our senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta. He is inside the debate hall. Give us the latest, Jim.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn and Chris.

That's right. Vice President Joe Biden is certainly the wild card in the mix for this Democratic debate. We know from hearing at the White House yesterday that the vice president will be staying there at the White House in Washington all day long. So he won't be here in Vegas.

But no question about it. You were talking about what time of the day it is. We don't know if it's time to go to bed or if it's time to get up. But we do know it's almost debate time, roughly 12 to 15 hours from now. You can see the debate stage is set. That center podium is where Hillary Clinton will be standing. Of course, she'll be the center of attention as the obvious Democratic frontrunner.

When she landed in Las Vegas, she was not focusing her attention on her Democratic rivals. She was already trolling a potential Republican opponent in Donald Trump.

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ACOSTA (voice-over): Democratic debate day is here. What happens in Vegas could shake up the next stage of the race for five presidential hopefuls.

Seasoned debater Hillary Clinton, backed by solid early poll numbers in key states, is establishing her presence at these debates. The former secretary of state making an unannounced stop at a union rally at Donald Trump's Vegas hotel, taunting the business tycoon.

CLINTON: Some people think Mr. Trump is entertaining, but I don't think it's entertaining when somebody insults immigrants and insults women. If you are going to run for president, then you should represent all the people of the United States.

ACOSTA: Bernie Sanders, who has yet to do a mock debate, insists he's going to play nice as long as his competitors do. The Vermont senator continues to pick up traction, seeing crowds 13,000 strong in Tucson, Arizona.

SANDERS: Let's treat each other civilly. Let's treat each other respectfully, and let's not try to demonize people who may have disagreements with us.

ACOSTA: A stark contrast to the strategy of their counterpunching Republican rivals. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'd love to run

against her, because she is so flawed. I think she's very beatable, but she shouldn't even be allowed to run.

ACOSTA: Meanwhile, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley have a tough road ahead, all looking for a breakout moment on a stage. But in a betting town like Vegas, anything is possible.

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ACOSTA: Now, the campaigns are keeping their strategies pretty close to the vest. Just like their cards at this point. One thing that Hillary Clinton's campaign is saying about her strategy is that she wants to put this e-mail, this Benghazi controversy behind her, try to cut through the politics, start talking about her views on the important positions at tonight's debate,

Bernie Sanders, her main rival at this point, he wants to show that he's a serious candidate with mainstream views. That will obviously be challenged by the participants in this debate.

And as for Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee, Martin O'Malley, they've really struggled to gain traction in the polls. They'll be looking for a breakout moment during the course of this debate.

But Alisyn, Chris, as we know from watching the previous Republican debates, who would have known that Carly Fiorina would have had a breakout moment, would have had a really strong debate in that last Republican debate on CNN? That changed the nature of the campaign for her. So even though we're not paying as much attention to these lesser known candidates, lesser talked about candidates, they could certainly have one of those breakout moments that could change the course of this race -- Alisyn and Chris.

CAMEROTA: Anything's possible.

CUOMO: Strong point, you know.

ACOSTA: Anything. It's Vegas.

CUOMO: This is going to be spontaneous; it's going to be live. And we won't know until it happens. And it is Vegas. That is all you need to know.

All right. So let's break down what is at stake for each and all tonight? We have CNN senior political analyst and editorial director of "The National Journal," Ron Brownstein. We have CNN national political reporter Maeve Reston; and CNN politics executive editor Mark Preston. We've got Ron, Reston and Preston. That's who we have here this morning.

Mark, you're sitting next to me. Give me a little bit of how this sets up atmospherically tonight. How many people do we have in the audience? What do we expect in terms of duration and basic dynamic up there on the stage? MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: A couple things.

One, 1,300 people in the audience, but in many ways, they're not just really talking to the audience. They're talking to the viewers.

Because this is really the beginning of the campaign. I mean, the campaign's been going on and going on and going on. We haven't actually seen them all together, on stage, debating. They've been at forums. They've been at town halls. They haven't interacted. So tonight, you know, to the point of, you know, what's at stake. Well, there's a lot at stake for a lot of them, specifically those lower- tier candidates, Martin O'Malley specifically.

CAMEROTA: And yet, I mean, do they have anything to lose? I mean, who do you think has most at stake tonight, Maeve?

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hillary Clinton, obviously. I mean, it's just -- these guys have not been able to really break out beyond Bernie Sanders, up until this point. And so they're going to have to be some real fireworks and drama. I mean, Martin O'Malley has been running for a while. And I believe he's actually campaigning intensively in the early states. And his name recognition has been dropping in some cases. So he really does need, like, a shining moment.

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, there's a very different context for this than for the Republican debate. The Republican debate, the context is that there was a large part of the party base that is angry at the party leadership, that is looking for someone to shake things up.

[06:05:06] I think this is, you know, the opposite. Democrats have lost the House. They lost the Senate. They're enormously concerned about putting up the strongest nominee who can hold the White House. It's their one lever of national power. In some ways, this is as much a parallel audition with the Democratic electorate that "I am the best nominee" as it is a kind of a horizontal interaction among the candidates.

Above all, I think Democrats are looking to be reassured that they have a strong nominee, because they are not in a strong position otherwise.

CUOMO: It's a very different night, Alisyn. Because you have, with the Republican field, you have -- they were looking to break out all on the same level, most of them, except arguably for Trump and Carson.

Each of these people have their own mission. You can't lump O'Malley, Chafee and Webb. They are each different in their own. A big distinction that you're going to see tonight is who decides to talk about the others and who decides to talk to the others on the stage? How does it size up?

PRESTON: Right. And what's interesting about that, too, is that we've seen flares that have been sent up by Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders' campaign, saying, "I'm not going to attack Hillary Clinton. I'm not going to attack Hillary Clinton, unless the attacks me."

Now, Hillary Clinton has to be very careful tonight that she goes out, talks about her policy proposals, seems very presidential, but doesn't seem like she's on the attack. Go back to O'Malley, he needs to go on the attack, because as Maeve says, if he doesn't have this breakout moment, his campaign is over.

CAMEROTA: Maeve, does Hillary Clinton have to explain what some call her flip-flops on certain issues, what she calls evolution on issues? Will she talk about TPP? Will she talk about gay marriage? Will she talk about Keystone Pipeline, those things?

RESTON: Absolutely. I mean, that is -- that's going to be, you know, out there in the Republican sphere. It's all about her e-mails. In this sphere, it's going to be about those changing positions and how she explains TPP, for example, speaking to the labor vote. That was -- obviously, she was trying to strengthen her hand there against Bernie Sanders.

And also I think the most interesting moment may be on the Iraq vote. We know that Bernie Sanders has signaled that he's going to go after her on that, talk about his own speech in 2002, where he said it was going to be one of the biggest policy blunders in history. And I think it will be fascinating to see if this Democratic electorate, if that issue still resonates as much as it once did.

CAMEROTA: Bernie Sanders has said he will go after her policies, not after her. We're not expecting any sort of character attacks. Other than, I mean, maybe the lower three tier might go after Bernie or Hillary; or maybe they'll just talk about the Republicans.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes. I think if you accept the idea this is mostly almost a parallel audition to be the stander bearer, I think there's a lot of incentive for them to go after the Republicans. Because that's what Democrats are looking for.

I think it's easier for the other Democrats, including Sanders, to go at Clinton on an issue base, authenticity, commitment. Can you trust her on that way? Than to raise trust issues around the e-mail, which I think would not be well-received in a Democratic primary context.

I think Hillary Clinton is going to have to answer some tough questions. I mean, she has evolved along with the Democratic coalition. She's kind of moved to kind of narrow the issue space for the others to get to her left. But in the process, has raised these questions about are you too political, what are your core beliefs?

CUOMO: But here's what we know. We know she's prepping for the questions about the e-mails and Benghazi. Who decides to bring it up and how? But if you're Hillary Clinton. Don't you want a question about the e-mail? Don't you want it to come up where this is about as good an audience as you'll get to make sure your case about those things and not get attacked.

PRESTON; Correct. And also, she's going to be testifying before the House next week. Just on this subject. You absolutely want to be in a room of supporters and people who are going to boo if they feel that she's been unjustly attacked.

And as Ron says, this is more of a general election issue, more of, you know, dealing with independents. It's not a Democratic Party issue.

CAMEROTA: Mark, I want to stick with you for one second. Because I want to talk about the dynamic on stage. Still, they each have one minute to answer direct questions.

And then what are the rules of engagement? Can they talk to each other? Can they go after each other? Or do they have to wait until their name is mentioned by another one?

PRESTON: Right. So this is a little bit different, right, than when we saw the Republican debate in a couple ways.

One, there's no Donald Trump. And, you know, very unlikely you're going to hear his name on stage unless they actually say it. And when I say that, is that there isn't the acidic personal attacks that we've seen, certainly, on the Republican side. But I think Trump framed that. What you will see, though, is that you will see some crossover in the sense of why -- what separates you from candidate "A," candidate "B"? Or candidate "B," this is your policy on Keystone, candidate "A," you know, that's not your policy. Explain it.

RESTON: Although we do see Hillary Clinton going on offense after Donald Trump.

PRESTON: Yes.

RESTON: And really punching hard. And people love to see that. So I think we can expect that for sure.

RESTON: We'll hear his name, but it would be more of a rah-rah kind of atmosphere. Across the street we saw the union workers.

CUOMO: So they're going to talk to each other. It doesn't matter what the rules are. That happens in every debate. One of the tricks for Coop tonight is that, when they break protocol, you've got to figure out how to reign them in.

CAMEROTA: Sure.

CUOMO: But more than anybody else on the stage, as you started, Maeve, Hillary Clinton has the most at stake, because she's got the biggest plus/minus on her negative to positive ratio. She's got to come out, having made the case for herself before this audience of many millions, the way she has not to this point.

[06:10:06] BROWNSTEIN: Look, whenever there's an incumbent president that is in trouble in an election, his supporters always say, it's a choice, not a referendum. And then it turns out it really is a referendum, not a choice. That I think is the situation that we are in.

Hillary Clinton, this is a referendum, first and foremost about Hillary Clinton. I think there's a portion of the Democratic electorate that has responded viscerally and strongly and probably more than even they thought to Bernie Sanders.

But I don't think you can get to 51 percent by flanking Hillary Clinton on the left. If there is a way to fundamentally challenge her, it's with a majority of Democratic voters. Say if she doesn't pass the referendum. I don't see her as our nominee. I think she's been too compromised by all the controversy.

If she can answer the questions sufficiently for Democratic voters, I think it's really hard for anybody else to get past her, just by being more desirable or seeming stronger.

RESTON: But she does also have to show that likable aspect of her personality, that charm. I mean, you meet so many Democratic voters who have total Clinton fatigue and just want something fresh and new. That's obviously where the ground swell has come for Biden. So we'll see how she does with that.

CAMEROTA: Do you think that's how she's being coached, just be as comfortable, be as relatable, be as conversational, have zingers. I mean, is that what her handlers are telling her?

RESTON: Right. And let's not forget, she's probably the most skilled debater up there on the stage. She is very good. She's one of the best politicians in the country. So when she goes up there, if she does something wrong, if she flubs, that's totally on her.

CUOMO: O'Malley is strong also. And he's got a great generational place.

BROWNSTEIN: And that is important, right? Because that is -- that is the lane. That is the argument that he can make, the contrast he can draw, a la Gary Hart in 1984. I am a different generation.

You know, one of the Obama 2008 aides had an interesting observation to me, where they said, yes, she's a strong debater. She is very strong at speaking to the existing political electorate. She's less strong at speaking to more -- kind of the casual voters that are being drawn in, that are looking for something new, looking for something different, looking for something, you know, with a little more maybe authenticity. And that could be an interesting challenge again.

Because part of what Sanders has to do, as Obama did in 2008, is bring in, change the Democratic electorate if he is going to make a serious run at her.

CUOMO: All right. So we're going to be watching. We're hearing from the campaigns. And that's always interesting to see where they want you focused going into a big night like tonight. Now of course, you're going to be watching, millions and millions will. And this is your first chance to see the big dog Democrats right next to each other.

The debate tonight, 8:30 Eastern, right here on CNN. And then, of course, tomorrow morning, we're going to have all of the debate analysis, what were the big points, what mattered? Who met the bar? Who fell below it. It happens every time. You need to know which. We're going to have a special one. Why sleep, we say; 5:30 a.m. Eastern we'll be right here. I may be in the same clothes.

CAMEROTA: The great thing about it is that we're in Vegas, Michaela, where everyone is awake. It's not just us for once.

PEREIRA: I want to caution you on this. Because Simi Valley an all-nighter was a different prospect. You're in Vegas. Please hydrate. Please pace yourselves and please keep your hands to yourselves, Christopher.

CUOMO: That is not water.

CAMEROTA: Hydrate. This is water.

PEREIRA: All right. We are going to look at your headlines here. We'll get back to Las Vegas in a moment. We have breaking news. Multiple stabbing attacks and a shooting reported across Jerusalem and central Israel this morning, killing at least three people. Dozens more have been wounded. Erin McLaughlin is live in Jerusalem and can give us all the details now -- Erin.

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Michaela, four separate attacks to tell you about, two in Jerusalem and two near Tel Aviv, killing at least three Israeli civilians.

In Jerusalem it began in a suburb, a stabbing and shooting attack that happened on a bus, according to Israeli police. Two attackers involved, one with a knife, one with a gun. At least two civilians killed, according to medical services, including a 60-year-old man, ten evacuated to the hospital in that attack.

And then, in an ultra-religious neighborhood in Jerusalem, Israeli police say that an attacker drove -- drove his car into a crowd, running over three civilians. He got out of his car and started stabbing people.

A 40-year-old man killed in that incident, according to medical services. Eight wounded, one seriously.

Then we're also hearing of attacks in Tel Aviv or near Tel Aviv. Two attacks in total. One stabbing attack at a bus station and then one outside a rehabilitation center. In total, five Israelis injured in that.

The attackers have been identified as two Palestinian men from East Jerusalem. They've been detained. And this hour, security services are meeting to figure out what to do next and what has been a wave of violence that appears to be getting worse.

PEREIRA: Calling that violence will be key to them, for sure. Erin, thank you for the update.

[06:15:02] Also breaking overnight, Iran's parliament passing a bill, backing the historic nuclear deal with the U.S. and other world powers, but disagreements could arise. Iranian lawmakers are insisting international inspection of military sites under the pact be approved only by a top Iranian security body. The deal lifts sanctions on Iran if the country curbs sensitive nuclear activities.

Overnight, two firefighters killed in the line of duty in Kansas City. They were battling a fire at an apartment building last night when that structure collapsed. Two other firefighters were injured. There's no word yet on their conditions, nor the identities of the other victims.

Two residents trapped inside their second-floor apartments were saved by firefighters on ladders.

Fifteen minutes past the hour, those are your headlines. Let's get back to Chris and Allie in Las Vegas.

CUOMO: Wow, what a picture that was. All right. So, Michaela, tonight is the first of six Democratic debates. The No. 6, common or controversial? The answer is, controversial but why?

Questioning the decision to have six debates got a prominent member of Congress disinvited to tonight's events. We have the controversy for you, ahead.

To you six is a number to go play right now, by the way. That's what six means to you.

CAMEROTA: I'll do that.

CUOMO: Lucky six.

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[06:20:12] CAMEROTA: There you go. We are coming to you live from the Wynn Hotel in Las Vegas, where final preparations are under way for tonight's CNN Democratic debate. It is 3:20 here local time. But no one in Vegas has gotten that memo, because we are at a very active intersection, even at this hour.

So tonight is not without controversy. Let's talk about what's going on with Luis Miranda. He's the communications director for the DNC, the Democratic National Committee and a former adviser to President Obama. Thanks so much for being here.

LUIS MIRANDA, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, DNC: Thank you for having me.

CAMEROTA: Can we talk about Congresswoman...

CUOMO: Tulsi Gabbard?

CAMEROTA: Tulsi Gabbard? MIRANDA: Sure.

CAMEROTA: Who has said that she was disinvited by the DNC by Debbie Wasserman Schultz's office because she spoke out about wanting more debates. What's up with that?

MIRANDA: Well, look, there's -- the Democratic Party is a big- tent party, and one of the options that's always going to happen is you'll going to have a diversity of opinions, whether it's about the city we choose for the convention, whether it's about the primary and caucus calendar, whether it's about the number of debates.

And we welcome that kind of healthy debate within our party, but we want to focus right now on the candidates that are going to be on stage tonight. You were saying earlier that this might be the hottest date on record for Nevada for this day in history. And that, I think, is going to be because we're going to have a great debate on that stage.

CAMEROTA: Was she actually disinvited?

MIRANDA: What was asked of Ms. Gabbard's staff was that we wanted to keep the focus on the candidates. And that's reasonable. She herself said on Wolf Blitzer's show yesterday that she felt she'd be a distraction coming even after she was offered an extra ticket and decided not to come.

CUOMO: Well, she felt she'd be a distraction because she'd been disinvited. She didn't decide not to come. She was told not to come. Bad move?

MIRANDA: I think she'd be happy that we're sitting here looking at what these candidates are going to offer the American people tonight. Because there's a lot at stake in this debate and in these coming elections.

CAMEROTA: We have a clip of how Tulsi Gabbard herself explained this. Listen to this.

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REP. TULSI GABBARD (D), HAWAII: The issue here is not about me saying "Boo-hoo, I'm going to miss the party." The issue here is one of democracy, of freedom of speech and defending that which so many have sacrificed and given their lives for.

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CAMEROTA: She says it's an issue of freedom of speech. She wants to be able to say publicly that there should be more Democratic debates. She's not alone. Hillary Clinton says that she's open to that. Bernie Sanders, all the candidates, are open to that. So it's an issue of freedom of speech, she says.

MIRANDA: She's welcome to say whatever she'd like. What we asked was that we keep our focus on our candidates, because the reality is, as much as they're going to have to try to stand out from each other tonight, they also have to draw strong contrast and remind the American people what's at stake and what the difference was with a Republican administration just a few years ago which left office, losing 750,000 jobs a month. Huge foreclosure crisis that affected folks right here in Nevada. That's smarter than anyone else in the nation.

CAMEROTA: With all these issues, why aren't there more debates? Why aren't there more debates?

MIRANDA: Look, I think the context matters. And so when you argue that there had been more debates by this period in 2007. You also have to remember that candidates jumped in much earlier. You had candidates declaring as early as 2006 back then that they were running and running aggressive campaigns for the entire year by the time they got to this point.

So that's a very big difference from a field that we saw jump into the race much later into the year this year.

So one issue is expanding the number of debates. But the really big question is expanding the number of candidates in this one. Is there any chance in your mind if the vice president, Joe Biden, will show up for this debate or make an announcement any time soon that he's going to run?

MIRANDA: You know, I wish I had a crystal ball for that.

CUOMO: You have to know something, Luis.

MIRANDA: What I know is that, you know, the sitting vice president of the United States, if he decided to jump in, he's welcome to join.

CUOMO: You're in Vegas. Where's your money?

MIRANDA: My money is right now on the fact that, if he jumps in...

CUOMO: If you say something about this being a healthy debate.

MIRANDA: No, I was going to say, if he jumps in, it's just one more exciting dynamic to add to this debate and to add to the race generally.

But I feel good about the candidates we've got. And even if he doesn't, I think we're going to see a debate that's full of substance. Already yesterday, we were saying that, aside from what Representative Gabbard wanted to focus on, a lot of the talk was actually about how this is going to be a substantive debate that's going to focus on policy.

And so I think that that will be a good opportunity for the candidates to introduce themselves. We want to put the focus on them. We've actually organized in 41 states watch parties that are not just an opportunity for folks to watch tonight but to also organize, train volunteers, get people engaged.

And we have to do that type of tough party-building work to be able to make sure that, whether Vice President Biden jumps in or it's Secretary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley, or any of the other candidates, that once they get the nomination, they have a party that's ready, that's functioning, that has an active volunteer base and that's able to reach voters all across the country.

[06:24:59] CAMEROTA: Well, and keeping with the Vegas fame and the Joe Biden question, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand talked about this. She was at a women's summit yesterday, a "Fortune" magazine women's summit, and she was asked if she thought that Joe Biden would get in the race. She said if I was a betting woman, I think he would say he would. I think he's always aspired to it.

MIRANDA: Well, I think the great thing is that Vegas odds makers have consistently shown that the Democrats are likely to win this year. And a big part of that is because the Republican debates have shown that they are a small tent, a big-circus party right now. That's just not ready to move America forward. They're just proposing ideas that would drag us back to ideas that really failed already. And so if you're -- if you want to place a bet, Vegas odds makers tell you Democrats are the way to go right now. And that makes me feel pretty good about this debate.

CUOMO: They're making market on Joe Biden also. And they have him getting in the race, which I was surprised by. If I were going to bet, I would say at this point it doesn't look like he is going to get in. But you're saying you've got nothing on it?

MIRANDA: I have to stay neutral on this.

CUOMO: Tough job you've got, Luis. Tough job. And you're going to come on and say you knew it all along.

CAMEROTA: Luis Miranda, thanks so much.

MIRANDA: Thank you both.

CAMEROTA: Thank you for being on NEW DAY.

What's your take on all of this? Do you think Joe Biden will be getting into race? You can tweet us using the hashtag #demdebate. Be sure to tune in. Did I mention it was tonight?

CUOMO: I hope so.

CAMEROTA: It's the first Democratic debate, it's 8:30 Eastern right here on CNN.

CUOMO: We've been talking a lot about Bernie Sanders, about Hillary Clinton, the vice president. And for good reason. But you know what? Tonight may be about someone you don't even know that well.

Listen to who else is here. Martin O'Malley, big-time governor; Jim Webb, U.S. senator, secretary of defense. What are they cooking up for tonight? Remember Carly Fiorina. She popped in a debate that nobody was supposed to be watching now she's a contender. The same could happen tonight. We'll tell you why after the break.

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