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Highlights of Democratic Presidential Debate Reviewed; Interview with Bernie Sanders' Campaign Manager; Clinton & Sanders Clash at CNN Debate. Aired 8-8:30a ET
Aired October 14, 2015 - 08:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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[08:00:11] HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not taking a backseat to anybody.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Climate change is reel.
CLINTON: I have been as transparent as I know to be.
SANDERS: Enough of the e-mails. Let's talk about the real issues.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we need somebody that has the best and ethical standards as your next president. That's how I feel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator Clinton do you want to respond in?
CLINTON: No.
SANDERS: My Republican friends think that's a kneejerk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bernie, I don't think the revolution is going to come.
SANDERS: I am the only candidate running for president who is not a billionaire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were not for Glass-Steagall.
CLINTON: I'm a progressive who likes to get things done.
SANDERS: I believe in a society where all people do well, not just a handful of billionaires.
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CLINTON: Diplomas is not about getting to the perfect solution. It is about how you balance the risk.
(END VIDEO CLIP) ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: What a night. It is still not over here in Vegas. Good morning to you. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Wednesday, October 14th, 8:00 in the east, 5:00 a.m. here in Las Vegas. Michaela in New York, Alisyn and I here in front of this hotel, in this tent again.
Last night the debate, style over substance? No. Not for them. They went after policy, they went after positions much more than they went after each other. It was the introduction to seeing the big shots, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, sitting next to each other. How would they behave? A lot of shockers last night to be sure.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Such a fascinating conversation. The biggest applause line of the night was unexpected, and it was when Bernie Sanders seemed to support Hillary Clinton, so there were all sorts of surprises in store. So who jump started the campaign best? Who has the momentum going forward, and who's debate performance might spell an end to their White House hopes? Let's bring in John Berman. He has broken it all down and he has a recap for us this morning. John?
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: There were five candidates on stage, and this morning there were probably five campaigns declaring victory. But the clear winner may be the voter, who got to see two hours with just five candidates, talking about a issues, learning a lot about these candidates. And now the campaign really is different.
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BERMAN: It may have been the first Democratic debate, but it was clear it was not Hillary Clinton's first rodeo, running down a debate checklist with surgical precision.
CLINTON: I would not ask anyone to vote on my based on my last name.
BERMAN: Her name? Check. Her appeal to the grassroots and pragmatic wings of the party? Check, check.
CLINTON: I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive who likes to get things done.
BERMAN: Her gender -- check, check, check.
CLINTON: I think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had.
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BERMAN: Even apparently joking about an extended trip to the bathroom during commercial.
CLINTON: You know it does take me a little longer. That's all I can say. BERMAN: But on what might have been the biggest must do on her list
addressing the questions surrounding the use of her private e-mail, she had a surprising assist from her leading opponent, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
SANDERS: The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails.
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CLINTON: Thank you. Me too. Me too.
BERMAN: Even earning a smile and a handshake.
Clinton didn't exactly return the favor in one of the sharpest exchanges of the night when asked about Sanders record of voting against certain gun control measures.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR & DEBATE MODERATOR: Secretary Clinton, is Bernie Sanders tough enough on guns?
CLINTON: No, not at all. I think we have to look at the fact that we lose ninety people a day from gun violence.
SANDERS: What I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns.
BERMAN: Sanders, the self-proclaimed Democratic socialist, touted his battle against income inequality.
COOPER: You don't consider yourself a capitalist though?
SANDERS: Do I consider myself a part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little, but which Wall Street's greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? No I don't.
BERMAN: Former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley looking for a breakout moment, hit hard on foreign policy.
MARTIN O'MALLEY, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Leading us into Iraq under false pretenses and telling us as a people that there were weapons of mass destruction there was one of the worst blunders in modern American history.
BERMAN: As for former Virginia Senator Jim Webb polling in the single digits and barely campaigning, he fought to be noticed.
JIM WEBB, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I've been trying to get in this conversation for about ten minutes. I've been waiting ten minutes.
[08:05:04] COOPER: You're over your time --
WEBB: Well, you've let a lot of people go other their time. BERMAN: While former Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee seemed to
struggle to answer questions about his record.
LINCOLN CHAFEE, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Glass-Steagall was my very first vote. I had just arrived. My dad had died in office. I was appointed to the office.
COOPER: Are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for?
BERMAN: Perhaps the most telling moment may be aspirational was when Hillary Clinton was asked to list her enemies.
CLINTON: In addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians, probably the Republicans.
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BERMAN: Now just in case you were wondering what Donald Trump thought of this debate, this morning he said he thought that Bernie Sanders made a big mistake by giving Hillary Clinton a pass on the e-mails and the issue of Benghazi. So that is Donald Trump's take this morning, though I'm not sure that he would have approved of anything he heard anyway.
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CUOMO: I think that's a safe bet, at least judging by his tweets. J.B., thank you very much.
So after the debate, as Bernie Sanders was doing what happens -- you got to remember how tired they are after this, so emotionally draining. He went, he found his wife, he found his sons who were there. And then he had to deal with the unfortunate part of the being a candidate, which is deal with the media. So I got him to talk about what this process was like for her and why did he give what's being called "the gift" to Hillary Clinton. Here is what he says.
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CUOMO: You harped on substance from the beginning about what you wanted this debate to be about. There was a lot of substance in it I think by all accounts. But the line of the night probably came from you in what people are calling a gift to Hillary Clinton, "Enough with your damn e-mail." What motivated that?
SANDERS: Well, what motivated it, is I think the American people want substantive discussions on substantive issues. Look, the middle class is disappearing. We have 27 million living in poverty. We have a campaign finance system which is corrupt. The rich are getting richer. Everybody else is getting poorer. Those are the issues that the American people want discussed. There is a process in place for the e-mail situation that Hillary Clinton is dealing with. Let it play itself out. But as a nation let us start focusing on why it is that so few have so much and so many have so little. CUOMO: Others would have chosen to play to advantage. You did not
because?
SANDERS: Because I think it was the right thing to do. I think the American people want substantive debate on the real issues that are affecting their families.
CUOMO: Do you think you overcame questions that people have as to the how with some of your plans and to the what when it comes to how you describe yourself politically, Democrat socialist.
SANDERS: Absolutely. I hope I did. I can't say that I did. People are disgusted with a campaign finance system that allows billionaires to buy elections.
CUOMO: What do you tell people to convince them that you can create the kind of large scale, sweeping change that you're asking for?
SANDERS: There is a level of energy and enthusiasm in our campaign that we are not seeing elsewhere. People are ready for that the political revolution. They are ready to transform America, and that is what our campaign is about.
CUOMO: The biggest thing left on the table you still want to address with the American people?
SANDERS: Income and wealth inequality. We should not be living in a country, Chris, where the top one-tenth of one percent owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. That is just not right.
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CUOMO: That is what has engendered the #FeeltheBern. With us this morning, Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver. I know you will not answer this question, obviously. When he said "Enough with the damn e-mail," it played great in the room. It is certainly authentic to what Bernie wants to be talking about. But did you know that he was going to give that gift to her? And did you think that it made sense to do it politically.
JEFF WEAVER, BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Look, when we heard that line, the people who were watching it with us we went crazy, because we had never heard that line before. It was fantastic.
CAMEROTA: That's right. So you hadn't planned that. That wasn't a planned line.
WEAVER: That was unscripted, un-canned line.
CAMEROTA: Because you knew her emails were going to come up. So what were you planning to say about it?
WEAVER: Of course. Well, he knew he was not going to attack her on the e-mails. And we thought we would just let the question play out. And then suddenly Bernie injects himself into the conversation with this line. We thought it was fantastic. CUOMO: Do you think he should give her a pass on the emails?
WEAVER: It is not about giving her a pass. It is about exactly what Senator Sanders says, which is let's talk about the real issues facing America. Let's talk about wealth and income inequality. Let's talk about the cost of college education. Let's talk about the disappearing middle class. That's what he wants to talk about. That's what his campaign is about. That's why people by the millions are flocking to him, because he's not into just doing what's politically advantageous.
CAMEROTA: On the flipsides there was what could have been an awkward moment. I want to know how you thought it played when Anderson Cooper asked Hillary Clinton, are you a progressive or are you a moderate? And she said "I am a progressive who likes to get things done." Were you like, ouch?
[08:10:03] WEAVER: Well, you know, she has been both a progressive and a moderate both within the last month or so. So obviously she made that moderate comment at an event and she had to sort of back out of it.
CAMEROTA: She's suggesting that Bernie Sanders is a progressive who can't get things done.
WEAVER: I don't know if it was that so much as trying to explain why she had described herself as the moderate just a few weeks ago.
CUOMO: So let's get to the deal on guns. The senator always contextualizes his politics on this by where he is, in Vermont. The Brady bill, he didn't vote for it. That's a mark. What he wants for corporations that are gun manufacturers, what he wants. Explain those positions to us.
WEAVER: So on the Brady bill, the Brady bill had two components. One was background checks which he strongly supported. The other was a waiting period. And he told the people in Vermont he was not going to support a waiting period, and that's why he voted against the overall bill.
CAMEROTA: Why not support a waiting period?
CUOMO: Would he now, by the way?
WEAVER: I don't think you hear a lot of discussion about waiting periods. I think you do hear a lot of discussion about background checks which he voted for and supported. So in 1991 when he had just gotten into the Congress he voted for background checks. So he's been in favor of background checks consistently. He's voted to close to gun show loophole.
CUOMO: What about Alisyn's point?
CAMEROTA: Yes, what is the problem with the waiting period? There was recently a mass shooting. It might have been the one in Roanoke where the waiting period elapsed and the gunman got the gun. WEAVER: That is a different issue. So the waiting period was you
would go in and buy a gun and they would say come back in 10 days and we'll give you a gun irrespective of whether or not they were doing a background.
CAMEROTA: What's wrong with that?
WEAVER: Because the consensus in the Congress of how we should deal with this is let's have a background check. Let's look at the criminal records of people. Now I think there is a growing consensus of let's look at the mental health records of people who are trying to buy guns to make sure that we don't get people in there who are suicidal or homicidal. And I think that is the best way to deal with it so we keep the guns out of the hands of the people who shouldn't have them.
CUOMO: The idea of Hillary getting to the left of Bernie on something is a little bit of a surprise so some people. This issue she is left of him.
WEAVER: What does she support that he doesn't support?
CAMEROTA: The Brady bill.
WEAVER: Well, the Brady bill.
CUOMO: But right now, background checks, they are in the same place.
WEAVER: Right. Assault weapons ban, same place.
CUOMO: Corporate liability they are in different places but there is a federal law in place. And waiting period -- she says you should have the waiting period.
WEAVER: I don't think she said you should have a waiting period.
CUOMO: Well, her campaign she would be in favor.
WEAVER: I think we are all in favor of making sure that the government has enough time to do the background check they need to do. If the three days is not long enough maybe it should be made longer. I think we're all in favor of that.
CAMEROTA: She still made hay with this last night. Let my play you the moment she drew that distinction.
WEAVER: Sure.
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COOPER: Secretary Clinton, is Bernie Sanders tough enough on guns?
CLINTON: No, not at all. I think we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence. This has gone on too long, and it is time the entire country stood up against the NRA.
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CAMEROTA: Basically she's suggesting he has not stood up against the NRA.
WEAVER: Well, if that is the case someone hasn't told them, because we have a D-minus rating with the NRA.
CUOMO: I love hearing everybody brag about their bad ratings.
CAMEROTA: I know.
CUOMO: Although he may wind up being the valedictorian of the class because they are all saying they get F's. He gets the D-minus. Is there a meaningful distinction between Hillary Clinton and the senator in your mind on guns?
WEAVER: On substance, no. I think there's been a difference in tone and I think there's been a difference in the narrative that the media has played out. But in terms of real substance on guns I don't think there is much distance between them.
CAMEROTA: Let's talk about their difference on Wall Street. Let me play you a moment from last night.
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SANDERS: In my view, Secretary Clinton, you do not -- Congress does not regulate Wall Street. Wall Street regulates Congress.
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SANDERS: And we have got to break off -- going to them and saying please do the right thing is kind of naive.
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CAMEROTA: That was in response to her saying she had gone wall street and talked to them about behaving better.
WEAVER: Well, it hasn't really worked, right?
CAMEROTA: So what would he do differently.
WEAVER: He would break up the big banks. The biggest banks now are bigger than they were when we bailed them out. So we would break them up. He would re-impose Glass-Steagall so we don't have regulated and unregulated activities in the same bank. What we need to do is make sure we don't recreate the situation which allowed our economy almost to be destroyed.
CUOMO: Is he doing something there that will make it almost impossible for him to be successful in a general election, by alienating the banks, and center of even personal consumer credit and transactions?
WEAVER: Let's make sure we understand the distinction between consumer banks and small banks and medium sized banks and the giant mega banks we are talking about on Wall Street. Let's hope, Chris, that what you are saying is not right, that they don't control what goes on in the general election. Hopefully the American people still control the election in this country.
CUOMO: Why doesn't he say, "I am pro capitalism?
[08:15:00] I don't like the way it's operating in our country right now"?
[08:15:04] You know the "S" word, socialism, is a real albatross. Why doesn't he just say -- again, last night, Anderson gave him a chance. Anderson was a hammer last night, that was his job. But he said, you know, you're pro-capitalism. The senator could have said, yes, I just don't like how we're doing it. He didn't.
JEFF WEAVER, BERNIE SANDERS' CAMPAIGN MANAGER: No, because he's honest. Just like on the email situation, he's always been the Democratic socialist. He explained what that was, which is a sort of European style social Democrat. And so, he's honest about that.
And I think if you look at it, I mean, really the only place we hear about the "S" word is interest from the media. If you look at recent polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, general election matchups between Hillary Clinton and the Republicans and the Bernie Sanders and the Republicans, Bernie Sanders does better against the Republicans in every instance that Hillary Clinton does.
So, the socialism word really isn't scaring people out in the world.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Jeff Weaver, it will be interesting to see what happens from here. Thanks so much for being on.
WEAVER: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: Great to talk to you.
CUOMO: I love when you make me the problem, Jeff.
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CAMEROTA: He is the problem.
CUOMO: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: There you go.
Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton ramping up some of their debate and their campaigns. But what about the other three Democrats on the stage last night? Can they keep their campaigns alive? We have a look at what the debate did for them?
CUOMO: You are supposed to take my side.
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CAMEROTA: Welcome back to NEW DAY.
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were the debate's main draw last night.
[08:20:01] But how did all of the candidates do? Who were the winners? Who were the losers? What were the high points, the low points?
Let's bring in our political panel to discuss all of this.
We have Jennifer Granholm. She's the former governor of Michigan and a senior advisor to Correct the Record. That's a pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC.
Also, Ana Navarro, she's our CNN political commentator and a Jeb Bush supporter. Also, Dan Pfeiffer, he's a CNN political commentator and former senior advisor to President Obama. We also have as a bonus, CNN political commentator S.E. Cupp.
It's great to have all of you with us this morning.
Ana, as Republican, I want to start with you. What did you see last night in this debate?
ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I have debate envy, because I saw a debate where, you know, poking fun at Rosie O'Donnell does not become a huge distraction. Waging war and attack against the other people on the stage does not become a distraction.
These folks had a real debate on policy issues. It was lively, it was engaging, it was interesting. It was even fun.
So, I mean, I think they did a great job. And I think the DNC is crazy not to have more debates. I'm actually at this point glad that they have decided not to have more debates because I don't want them to be getting more practice.
And I also think that, you know, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders came in as the main draw and they left as the main draw. I was expecting to see Martin O'Malley take off his shirt literally or figuratively and flex his muscles. He did neither. He looked rather puny.
And the other two I don't even understand why -- I can't even justify their presence.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: That about sums it up.
NAVARRO: That about sums it up.
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CUOMO: Coming after the break.
What she said, let's look at some other things. When Bernie gave the gift last night of saying enough with the damn e-mails, a great line, I couldn't wait to talk about him. But Anderson was right. He said, in this room, it plays great.
Not outside the room. It doesn't. There's an FBI investigation going on. People care about these things. A CNN poll, 50 percent plus of your party cares about what's going on with those emails.
Was it right for Bernie to give her a pass? His campaign manager says he didn't give her a pass. He says he didn't her a pass. I'm saying he gave her pass.
JENNIFER GRANHOLM, SENIOR ADVISER, CORRECT THE RECORD PAC: He gave her a pass. I think it was clear. And for the Democrats, we want them to talk about the issues, which is why the debate was so great last night because they were able to talk about --
CUOMO: But is it an issue?
GRANHOLM: It will be an issue if something happens but it's not an issue right now. I mean, this is what the issue is, is her being able to get out there and talk about issues. And that was the gift of last night, really, that Bernie gave her, was the ability to actually focus on issues. It was the best two hours --
NAVARRO: It is maybe not an issue in your head but it's an issue on a lot of people's head.
GRANHOLM: It's an issue in Kevin McCarthy's and the Republican Party's head and in the committee's head and part of the Clinton derangement syndrome that's been happening. It's been an issue for them. And they will continue to push that. I get that. And that will still be an issue for her going forward, because they'll take out ads and all of that.
But the point is last night -- and I can say this. Of course, I'm the Clinton supporter and I was with a bunch of people who were watching it. We were -- we were so happy.
She was so presidential. She was calm. She was funny. She was in command. She walked -- she schooled the boys on how to debate. She was awesome, and we felt like this was the best two hours of the campaign so far.
CAMEROTA: Dan --
S.E. CUPP, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think a lot of voters are syndrome free and they think it is not just the e-mails. It is about her character, her integrity and her trustworthiness and her judgment.
And that will play out. This was not the forum for any of the candidates to go after Hillary Clinton on the e-mails. That said, it was lovely of Bernie to give her this pass. But if he wants to stick around in this campaign, he is going to have to get a little ruthless when it comes to Hillary Clinton.
And let me tell you, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton will return the favor. Hillary Clinton's campaign surrogates, whether it's Joaquin Castro or Dan Malloy, have already been out on the campaign trail making some pretty nasty allegations about Bernie Sanders, that he doesn't care about the Hispanic community, for example, all on behalf of Clinton.
So, Bernie Sanders has got to -- I know he wants a high-minded issues based campaign and that's adorable. But it's not sustainable if he wants to crack --
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CUOMO: -- so cynical, I have to tell you, S.E.
CUPP: The reality, I remember 2008, Hillary Clinton is a ruthless --
CAMEROTA: Let's get Dan --
DAN PFEIFFER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I can tell you Barack Obama would have had the exact same response that Bernie Sanders did on the e-mail. Like his brand is he's not a typical politician and the most typical politician thing to do would be to repeat Republican talking points about Hillary Clinton and the Democratic --
CAMEROTA: But he was just asked about it on "60 Minutes" and he didn't have that response.
PFEIFFER: He should have had that then, because attacking -- I thought Bernie Sanders had good night in a lot of ways.
[08:25:04] If he had attacked Hillary Clinton on the e-mails on that debate stage, that would have been I think a strategic -- an attack on Clinton a strategic mistake.
GRANHOLM: I agree.
NAVARRO: Well, but listen, you know, Hillary Clinton violated Obama administration regulations when she did this. So, I think President Obama comes at it at this point from a very different angle.
If Bernie Sanders going to go after Hillary Clinton, and I agree with S.E., he's got to do it at some point, it's not going to be on the e- mail. The issue is going to be on her left flank, the places where she has vulnerabilities in a Democratic primary.
CUOMO: Right. Well, I think, look, I think Ana is finding the middle ground, right? You have to deal with an opponent. You are not going to get satisfaction out of Bernie Sanders. He's an old school politician.
CUPP: Right.
CUOMO: He believes his ideas should win because they are the best.
Your party is playing a different game right now.
CUPP: Oh, well, that's --
CUOMO: And that is why the debates were so different last night. And I think that is a nonpartisan point.
This was different I think in big part because you had a smaller field and because frankly of the Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper kept them on task, kept them on message, made them answer questions and that made them have less freedom to think about you, you know, the person standing next to him, because they were having to defend their own positions.
CUPP: Well, yes, but I'd also point out, I mean, as congenial as they were to each other, I thought they were -- where Republicans usually get criticized to run too far right and course correcting. I thought these guys went way over to the left.
CUOMO: Way too left.
CUPP: Way over. I mean, at the end of the debate, they were all naming their enemies that they're proud of, which included Republican Party.
CUOMO: Well, Hillary said that. Was that a mistake?
PFEIFFER: No, I -- look, I think it was a light hearted thing. Look, I think in terms of going right or left, the issues they talked about, income inequality, immigration are majority issues in this country, 60 plus, majorities of Republicans. And one of the reasons why the debate was the way it was is that the Democrats are in a much -- we are not having the same existential identity crisis the Republicans are.
We are much more -- there was much more consensus within the party. And so, you saw -- there were differences and those played themselves out, but you don't end up in situations like you have a Donald Trump one side and Lindsey Graham on another or Jeb Bush on another. We're a different place, and I think that led do a more substantive, civil debate. And we didn't have Donald Trump --
GRANHOLM: To Dan's point, though, I mean, the issues on for example on Planned Parenthood or the NRA, I mean, those are popular issues. These are issues -- in fact, I think her best moment of the night was when she said, all right, Republicans keep talking about big government. They won't fund paid leave. They won't fund day care. But they will be big enough government to decide a woman's right to choose. That to me was great --
NAVARRO: I'll tell you what I think --
CUOMO: Last word.
NAVARRO: What was one of her weakest moments of the night was when she got asked about the legalization of marijuana, which is a very important issue to young people. And she said, well, I'm still not ready to take a position. I mean, I know it took her a year plus to get a position on Keystone. So, maybe she can only hold one poll- tested position at a time.
CUOMO: There's only one Democrat who didn't get named last night and who will not go after Hillary Clinton for not timing a decision yet. That's the Vice President Joe Biden. What's very interesting is we have new reporting about what his campaign now thinks after seeing the election -- the debate last night.
CAMEROTA: Did it affect his decision making? We'll get into that.
Panel, thanks so much.
NAVARRO: All right.
CAMEROTA: We'll be right back.
CUOMO: CDSM (ph), you have CDSM.
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