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El Chapo on the Run; Bleacher Report; Why GOP Voters Are Angry with Washington; Trump-Bush Feud Escalates over 9/11. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired October 19, 2015 - 06:30 ET
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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN HOST: Drug cartel boss Joaquin El Chapo Guzman still on the run this morning after authorities almost cornered him last week in Mexico. Authorities say Guzman injured his face and leg during that encounter but was still able to elude capture.
Joining us this morning is Ana Maria Salazar, she's a national security expert on Latin America. She served at the Pentagon and the State Department, working on drug enforcement policy.
Great to have you join us. Obviously this is a big deal, getting this new footage of El Chapo's cell that has sound. We've seen the video before. But in it we can hear noise, a lot of noise, banging, drilling, yet he was still able to leave without getting any attention of the prison guards.
Does that speak to you as negligence or conspiracy, Ana Maria?
ANA MARIA SALAZAR, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Well, that's the big question mark. You would think it would be conspiracy, considering the amount of noise and sound you can hear. We really don't know how high this is going to go up.
But what we do know is, with this video, there are probably going to be new arrests, new questions being made. Of course, there's a lot of anger, because if it is negligence, boy, this is really, really, completely unacceptable. So, yes, this second video does raise a lot of questions.
PEREIRA: Other questions that are being raised, there are reports that cellphones, two-way radios were found at a ranch that the Mexican Marines believe he was hiding in.
What does it tell you about his ability to continue to evade and have resources sort of awaiting him?
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SALAZAR: He has a lot of resources. He also -- this is a part of the country where there's very little -- I mean, there's no presence of the authorities. It would be relatively easy for him to move around.
There are major operations taking place right now. They have hundreds of soldiers running around, seeing what they can catch.
It's been somewhat confusing, Michaela, because initially the information came from a U.S. media group that El Chapo had almost been caught twice and now that he's injured.
So begrudgingly the Mexican government came out with a statement late Friday afternoon, kind of acknowledging that something had happened, even though earlier they had said this information was false. So there's still a lot of confusion. But clearly it does show that they're trying to catch him. Someone's trying to catch him.
PEREIRA: Well, and someone is the big question. U.S. involvement, there's been some reports of the DEA being involved.
Are you hearing any confirmation of that?
SALAZAR: Well, I'm sure that a lot of U.S. agencies are being involved. El Chapo Guzman is a priority for the U.S. government. They really want him. And it seems at this point, the amount of pressure the U.S. is exercising over his capture, if he is captured -- and I think he will be -- he will probably be extradited this time around.
If you recall, when he was detained this last time, and then he eventually escaped, the president had said that he would not be extradited, that he would be kept in Mexico to face charges here in Mexico.
This time around, if he's caught, he is probably going to be heading to the United States really soon.
PEREIRA: It also brings us echoes of Pedro (sic) Escobar in the '80s and '90s. I imagine it's a little different now.
Does the strategy seem different?
What is it like there on the ground in terms of the hunt and how it feels?
SALAZAR: Well, Pablo Escobar, at the time, when he escaped from his famous jail that basically he had built for himself, it's a little different in the sense that, at that time, there was a unit that was dedicated exclusively to trying to catch this guy, Pablo Escobar.
And the U.S. government had much more presence on the ground. That's not the case in Mexico these days.
Of course, it may be easier to track El Chapo Guzman than it was Pablo Escobar at the time because of technology. The technology has changed enormously. So there's different ways, much more sophisticated ways to track his communication which did not exist 20 or so years ago.
So I think things have changed but there is a lot of pressure for the capture of El Chapo Guzman, as there was with Pablo Escobar. So there -- probably something will happen. The question is when and how they're going to find him. PEREIRA: Well, especially if he's injured. They say they feel like they could be imminent.
Ana Maria Salazar, always great to have your expertise. Thanks for joining us today on NEW DAY -- Alisyn.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, Michaela.
Coming up, we have a brand new edition of "Real Voters, Real Choices."
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CAMEROTA: With a show of hands, will you all, whoever believes in this next statement, I'm angry with the direction of this country and I blame politicians.
All of you feel that way?
Why they feel that way -- their answers, next.
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We have new numbers for you. Take a look at the latest CNN/ORC poll: 62 percent of Democrats thought Clinton won the debate, 35 percent giving the nod to Bernie Sanders. They basically closed out this race after that debate.
Her lead over Sanders, though, solid at 16 points. She leads in every issue category. And another nod to Clinton, 70 percent say they are satisfied with the field. You see that correlate with enthusiasm for a Biden run slipping.
CAMEROTA: The leader of the Al Qaeda linked Khorasan Group killed in an airstrike by the U.S.-led coalition in Syria. The Pentagon confirming that Sanafi al-Nasr was killed in an airstrike in Northwest Syria on Thursday. The Khorasan Group is made up of a number of veteran Al Qaeda jihadis who had moved into Syria.
Al-Nasr is the fifth senior Khorasan Group leader killed in the last four months.
PEREIRA: A manhunt this morning in Florida after a deadly shooting at a zombie-themed street festival. Video capturing the moment shots rang out at ZombiCon over the weekend, starting panic in Ft. Myers.
One man was killed, identified as 20-year-old Expavious Tyrell Taylor. Five others were injured. Ft. Myers police appealing to anyone with any information or perhaps more cellphone video to contact them.
CUOMO: A new plan out of the White House would require all drones to be registered with the Department of Transportation. Officials say it will make it easier for regulators to trace rogue drones to their pilots. Now, previously only commercial drone users had to register their aircraft with the FAA.
PEREIRA: All right. The Patriot and the Colts battle it out for the first time since all of that Deflategate mess those months ago. Lo, those months ago. Coy Wire has more on this Monday morning in our Bleacher Report.
Hey, Coy.
COY WIRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to all of you.
After nine months of Deflategate, five suspensions, appeals, changes in pregame protocol, one thing remains the same: the Patriots are pretty good. Now Colts fans were pumped for this one. Indy actually had Andrew Luck back. They led 21-20 at the half but that didn't last.
New England on their first possession of the second half, Tom Brady to Rob Gronkowski, 25-yard touchdown. Gronk says check the pressure in that.
Then in the third quarter, down just six points, the Colts let the air out of their own building. They bust out the trickery in an attempt what social media is calling the worst designed play in NFL history. Line up for the punt, entire team shift to the right and have a receiver and defensive back snapping and playing, QB, they fail miserably. The Patriots stay perfect at 5-0 with a 34-27 win.
Now baseball playoff action, cold and blustery in New York but --
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WIRE: -- the Mets started off hot against the Cubs. First inning, Daniel Murphy, have mercy. A two-run shot. New York scores three runs in the first inning and Murphy has homered in four straight playoff games. Mets win, 4-1m securing a two games to none series lead.
Since 1969, the teams that have done that in advance of the World Series, 88 percent of the time. Game three is tomorrow night in Chicago. But in ALCS action, the Royals have a two games to none lead over the Blue Jays. They play tonight in Toronto. That's your Bleacher Report --
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PEREIRA: Some chilly games, too.
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CAMEROTA: It was cold last night.
CUOMO: Got to want it. Got to want it.
PEREIRA: That's right.
Coy, thank you so much.
CAMEROTA: All right. Up next, a group of outspoken Nevada Republican voters talk about why they are so angry with Washington.
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CAMEROTA: You vote for politicians, they promise the world and then something happens when they get to Washington. What goes wrong?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that...
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CAMEROTA: All right. As you know, outsiders, nonpoliticians, are dominating the 2016 Republican race. So in this latest edition of "Real Voters, Real Choices," I asked a group of Nevada Republicans about all of that and why they are so angry with the establishment.
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CAMEROTA: With a show of hands, will you all, whoever believes in this next statement, "I'm angry with the direction of this country and I blame politicians"?
All of you feel that way?
Brenda, is that why you think that this year politicians -- sorry, candidates like Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina are rising to the fore?
BRENDA FLANK, BEN CARSON SUPPORTER: I think that's the major part because politicians have what some people think have betrayed the American people, because they say one thing, do another. They say that they support one thing and then they go and vote for something else. So we're left out of the process.
CAMEROTA: Derek?
DEREK UEHARA, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think track record is important. So when we talk about politicians, they're in the game. They've had a chance to take action, to create results and we're running into these stalemates, where nothing is happening, we're just blaming each other.
JESUS MARQUEZ, JEB BUSH SUPPORTER: I don't believe that we are angry but, yes, we are upset with the way things are going. And I'm talking about the record. Well, there are some politicians and candidates, for example, in the Republican Party that have delivered some results but not what we needed.
CAMEROTA: It's interesting. I hear more Republicans saying that they're angry than Democrats.
Do you, as Republicans, hold Republican politicians more responsible for not getting things accomplished?
UEHARA: I wouldn't focus on Republicans. I think everyone is part of the game. They've gotten comfortable just pointing fingers, rather than find a solution.
CAMEROTA: So what sorts of things have you been frustrated by?
What sorts of things have politicians promised they were going to do when they get to Washington but then not delivered on?
FLANK: Major thing I think is the ObamaCare. There are a lot of people that were just so opposed to it but yet it was pushed on the American people. And Republicans were elected to go there and at least fight for it.
So they have these show votes that, yes, we're fighting against ObamaCare, but yet they'll vote to fund it and that is very, very disappointing, I think, especially with the Republican Party. We sent them there for a reason and they're not delivering.
BRADY BOWER, RAND PAUL SUPPORTER: Congress holds the power of the purse. Honestly, the Republicans in Congress just aren't using it. We sent them up there, they all promised, we're going to cut the spending. The spending is going to stop. We've got to put an end to these deficits. And I certainly haven't seen it.
CAMEROTA: Dwight?
DWIGHT MAZZONE, UNDECIDED REPUBLICAN VOTER: ObamaCare is a big issue. But also in talking with our members of Congress, both upper and lower house, one thing we've found out is they're unwilling to go again and again and again and get those vetoes. Let the vetoes stack up. Let's have a stack of vetoes on the president's desk that we can point to and say this is why it's not getting through.
CAMEROTA: You vote for politicians; they promise the world and then something happens when they get to Washington.
What goes wrong?
GWEN BARRETT, UNDECIDED REPUBLICAN VOTER: I think that they're overwhelmed by the influence, the power that's there, because when we leave here to go there, their intentions are the very best. But once they're there, something happens. It's very unfortunate.
CAMEROTA: So, Jesus, that brings me to my question for you because you're someone who does support a more traditional, established politician: Jeb Bush. He has a record. He is an insider, not an outsider.
So what do you want to say to the rest of these folks about why you would support an insider established politician?
MARQUEZ: You know, he did a good job in Florida. As governor of Florida, he reduced the debt. He created jobs. He did a great thing with dedication to it, he has got an excellent record. And I think he can do good as president.
CAMEROTA: Brady, Jeb Bush has a record that you can look at in Florida. He has done well for his state.
Why not like him?
BOWER: Right. Well, there are a lot of governors in this race with good track records when it comes to, you know, getting unemployment down or, you know, getting their state deficits in order.
CAMEROTA: Why aren't they resonating this time around?
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BOWER: To me, I think a lot of it is people are looking for actual policy. You know? Jeb Bush may have done an OK job in Florida but at the end of the day, we're looking for policy changes.
CAMERON: So Derek?
UEHARA: You mention the comment, Alisyn, why aren't they resonating?
I think for many of us, when we look at what's going on, there's a culture of blame and there's a lack of focus on solutions. So I think many of us are looking for solutions.
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CAMEROTA: It was enlightening for me to talk to them about why they are so angry. We always say that. We hear people are so angry this time. That's why they like -- to hear what they are really angry about and what I took away is that they were particularly animated by ObamaCare.
That's where they felt they had been betrayed. That's what first got them mobilized.
PEREIRA: Kind of fascinating how they said they had these great intentions here, and you can say it for any state, right, and then they go to Washington and something happens. And you kept trying to get them to put their finger on it. It's sort of elusive. Something does happen.
CAMEROTA: They think that they get drunk with power.
PEREIRA: But is that what it is?
CUOMO: No. But they -- look, this is not unusual. The voters have been saying this since --
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PEREIRA: It's true.
CUOMO: What's different this year is they have talked their way into choices that you don't usually have in a race. You do not have at this point two candidates at the top of one party that have nothing to do with that party's politics.
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PEREIRA: They think Ben Carson and Donald Trump won't break promises because they're not career politicians.
CAMEROTA: But how do we know?
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CUOMO: Well, they elect them and then they find out.
CAMEROTA: Right. That is true.
We'll have more with these Republican voters tomorrow. They'll weigh in on why immigration has become the topic that has so energized their party.
Also, we'll have new national polling on the GOP field. That will be tomorrow on NEW DAY. Tune in for that.
CUOMO: The election matters but there's a lot of news this morning. So let's get right to it. Shall we?
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JEB BUSH, FORMER GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA: Does anybody blame my brother for the attacks on 9/11?
DONALD TRUMP, ENTREPRENEUR: When he said we were safe, that's not safe. We lost 3,000 people.
BUSH: Mr. Trump talks about things as though he's still on "The Apprentice." My brother responded to a crisis and he did it as you would hope a president would do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shut up talking about things that you don't know anything about.
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I've already testified about Benghazi. I don't know that I have very much to add.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And unless you're on the committee, you have no idea what we've done, why we've done it.
CLINTON: This is, after all, the eighth investigation. LARRY DAVID, COMEDIAN, "BERNIE SANDERS": We're doomed! We need a revolution. I own one pair of underwear, that's it. Some of these billionaires, they got three, four pairs.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VT.: Yes, last week I bought my second pair of underwear.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.
CAMEROTA: I didn't know we were going in that direction.
PEREIRA: So good.
CAMEROTA: That open is great.
CUOMO: I don't think they sound anything alike.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?
CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh, there's so much more to show you.
Good morning, welcome to your NEW DAY.
First, the war of words between Republican campaign rivals, Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, reaching new heights, following Trump's suggestion that he could have prevented the 9/11 attacks.
Bush, defending his brother and, again, calling Trump's credentials to be commander in chief into question.
CUOMO: On the Democrat side, a much cleaner fight so far with the clear winner coming out of the debate. We have it all for you in our new poll just out this morning.
Who got a bump?
How hungry are the Dems for Joe? Did that change?
Let's begin our coverage with CNN's Athena Jones, live in Dallas.
Answer these questions for me, Athena.
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I don't have all the answers. Good morning, Chris. But I can tell you this feud between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, it seems that both candidates think it benefits them.
Jeb Bush gets to show he has the fire in the belly to fight for this nomination and that he's not low energy, as Donald Trump has been saying for months. Trump gets to poke Bush and link him to the past.
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TRUMP: I'm not blaming George Bush but I don't want Jeb Bush to say my brother kept us safe. JONES (voice-over): The feud between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush is heating up.
BUSH: For him it looks as though he's an actor playing a role of the candidate for president.
JONES (voice-over): From the Sunday shows to social media, with Bush defending his brother's handling of the September 11th attacks.
BUSH: He united the country, he organized our country and he kept us safe.
JONES (voice-over): Bush said, by repeatedly bringing up 9/11, Trump shows he's not, quote, "a serious person" and that he has grave concerns about Trump being in charge of nuclear weapons.
BUSH: Across the spectrum of foreign policy, Mr. Trump talks about things as though he's still on "The Apprentice."
JONES (voice-over): Trump said he was just taking issue with Jeb saying during the CNN debate that his brother kept America safe.
TRUMP: The World Trade Center came down. So when he said we were safe, that's not safe. We lost 3,000 people.
JONES (voice-over): The latest chapter in this battle of GOP contenders began Friday when Trump told Bloomberg Television --
TRUMP: When you talk about George Bush, I mean, say what you want, the World Trade Center came down during his time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on. You can't blame George Bush for that.
TRUMP: He was president, OK?
JONES (voice-over): Bush quickly fired back on Twitter, calling the GOP front-runner "pathetic."
TRUMP: You know, dealing with killers.
JONES (voice-over): Now his campaign is mocking Trump in a new video, using his own words.
