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Top Officials Resign at University of Missouri; Republicans to Face Off in Fourth GOP Debate; Concerns About U.S. Airport Security Gaps; Arrest in Shooting of Texas State Judge. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired November 10, 2015 - 06:00   ET

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MARSHALL ALLEN, MEMBER, CONCERNED STUDENT 1950: The resignation of Tim Wolfe is a glimmer of hope.

[05:58:38] TIM WOLFE, OUTGOING PRESIDENT, UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI: Use this resignation to heal, not to hate.

JONATHAN BUTLER, GRADUATE STUDENT: From the moment I made my announcement, people thought I was a dead man walking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I expected actual debate about the economy, jobs, trade, taxes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All eyes are on Ben Carson. All eyes are on Donald Trump.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a strange election, isn't it? Yes.

ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, BUSINESS MANAGER FOR DR. BEN CARSON: I think it's a very good thing that Dr. Carson is being tested.

TRUMP: This is the only election in history where you're better off if you stabbed somebody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They just ran. Stacy (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Taser. Taser.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This officer had to make his decision in less than three seconds.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: You're not going to tell me.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We have a lot of show.

CUOMO: This show has to start, because I have to find out what was going on in that last picture you just saw. Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, November 10, 6 a.m.

in the east. The power of protests on full display at the University of Missouri. The president and chancellor of the university stepping down after a student-led revolt over a string of alleged racist incidents on campus and what they call the university's inadequate response.

CAMEROTA: So the football team, which had refused to play until the president resigns is set to resume practice today. Will this overhaul solve what many call systemic racism on campus?

CNN's Stephanie Elam is live from the University of Missouri in Columbia. What's the latest, Stephanie?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

This is not the first time that students on a campus, or student athletes have taken on the issue of racism at their school. But the chips here began to fall very quickly.

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ELAM (voice-over): This morning, students at the University of Missouri are waking up to a massive shake-up. One that activists say is just the beginning of change. The university system president and the school's chancellor ousted amid racial tensions and weeks of student-led protests.

WOLFE: Please use this resignation to heal, not to hate.

ALLEN: This is just the beginning in aiding and dismantling systems of oppression within higher education, specifically the U.M. system.

ELAM: Effective immediately, the resignation of university president Tim Wolfe, who some say failed to adequately address several hate crimes on Mizzou's campus.

WOLFE: We didn't respond or react.

ELAM: Wolfe striking a different tone than the one captured in this tense exchange with students.

WOLFE: Systematic oppression is because you don't believe that you have the equal opportunity for success.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you just blame us for systemic oppression, Tim Wolfe?

WOLFE: Even some long-time faculty say racism has been a problem on campus for years.

CYNTHIA FROBY (ph), STUDENT: I have been called the "N" word too many times to talk about it on camera and to write them all out.

ELAM: Tensions reaching a boiling point around mid-September after the student body president posted on Facebook that he was called the "N" word, something that happened, he wrote, "multiple times on campus."

Then in mid-October, a swastika painted in feces inside one of the residence halls. By November, second graduate student Jonathan Butler launching a hunger strike, pledging not to eat until Tim Wolfe resigned.

BUTLER: A lot of people know how corrupt the system is. And they thought I was going to die from day one, from the moment I made my announcement. People thought I was a dead man walking.

ELAM: The football team and their coach also vowing to stay off the field until Wolfe agreed to step down.

GARY PINKEL, UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI FOOTBALL COACH: A young man's life was on the line. And basically that's what it came down to.

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ELAM: and if you take a look behind me, you'll see the tent where students who had been protesting had been staying but looking much more quiet this morning, now that many of their demands have been met, Chris.

CUOMO: At least the first, right? Now we have to see what happens as a result of this. Stephanie, thank you very much.

Let's discuss the implications and how we move forward. We have CNN sports analyst and "USA Today" columnist Christine Brennan. We also have CNN contributor, friend of family, Nischelle Turner. Not just an alumna of the University of Missouri, of NEW DAY and CNN, as well.

All right, Christine. So the president steps down. They say there will be changes. How big a move is this? What could it mean as a next step?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: I think it's a very big deal, Chris. If anyone doubted the power of college sports on a campus, I don't think we will anymore. And I know there could be cynics saying, "Well, wait a minute. All this protest is simmering for months, and all it took was the football team saying they might not play a game and, boom, it's done basically in a day and a half?"

Yes, that is exactly what happened.

But I think we saw a couple things here. Gary Pinkel, the head coach at Missouri, a veteran coach -- he's been there since 2001, revered. He had the power. He had the confidence to be able to say, "I stand with my team."

So it wasn't just these student athletes. That was a big deal. But it was also their coach in his 60s, saying, "I'm with these students."

So you had a united front in the most popular sport, the most popular team on campus, the team that wears Missouri on its jerseys. And that was a no brainer. So I think a very big deal, and it's almost like the 1960s have shown up again in terms of sports, activism making a difference, in this case, on a college campus.

CUOMO: Right. And don't forget money. Right? There was a million bucks on the line.

BRENNAN: Exactly.

CUOMO: They didn't pay. Money talks. You know, not to be cynical, just to be realistic. And also, the president was tone deaf in that video when he basically seemed to blame the kids for the systemic racism.

Now, Nischelle, you know the campus. You just got out of college, like two or three years ago.

NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Sure.

CUOMO: So let's talk about what happens on that campus. We've got the student leader, Payton, is coming on this morning. His Facebook post about being called the "N" word on campus certainly was a flash point, but is this -- how real is this? I had to call them alleged incidents this morning, because they've never really been investigated by the school in any real way. What is the reality on that campus?

TURNER: Well, you know, I think that unfortunately, Payton's reality is probably a very real one for him. I mean, I never experienced that. And not only graduated from the University of Missouri. I grew up in Columbia, Missouri. Never had that experience on campus.

Did I have that experience in the city? Yes, I did. And I was called the "N" word and have been before growing up there. But I do think that that happens. I have heard of several incidents where it's happened. I've had friends that I went to school with that it's happened to. So I do think that's a very real reality.

And if we're being honest, and I've been trying to be very honest about this, because it's a school that I love, and it's a community that I just love.

There's never been complete harmony between black students and white students on the University of Missouri campus, even when I was there almost 20 years ago. So it's a very real thing. I think at that point, to our detriment, as students when I was on campus it was kind of thought as this is just the way it is. So kudos to these students for saying it may be the way it is, but it shouldn't be and we're going to do something about it.

CUOMO: You've got some 35,000 kids on campus. You have a very small population African-American. If you net it up with all diversity, you get to about 15 percent. You're still dealing with a small ratio.

And so what does it mean? Why am I pointing out this statistic, Christine? Because you want to figure out if it's just this campus, if it's something isolated or is it something endemic to the educational process? Why would we say that?

Well, Yale University, I went there. It was known even back 75 years ago when I went about diversity. And yet there are kids calling for the same things they were calling on the University of Missouri about.

So I called some of the people still affiliated with Yale. They say, yes, we do have these things. This happened at the fraternity. A black girl walked up there. She said it was only white girls only tonight. The fraternity didn't have a great defense for it.

What do you think this could mean projected out, Christine?

BRENNAN: It's a great question, Chris. And I'm a Northwestern grad. D every school has some of these issues and the question of diversity in trying to have the student body population reflect the population at large, which again, of course, we are talking about, what, 10, 12, 15 percent of our national average is -- you know, it's African- American, somewhere in there, I believe.

So in some ways, you just want to reflect what's going on in the country, but then, of course, that means you're probably reflecting some of the bad that's going on, as well.

And one would hope that, of all places on earth, an institution of higher learning, 18 to 22, 23-year-olds and, of course, graduate students would be the one place where we might find some harmony and might find things working well. And I think in many places it is.

One of the things we see in sports -- of course, that's my area that I cover -- is that every game, think of it, every sport you're watching you see athletes, black and white, male, female, working together and for a common good. And in the Missouri case, especially, there's Gary Pinkel, a white man in his 60s, agreeing with his athletes, who I believe are about half and half...

CUOMO: Right.

BRENNAN: ... black and white. So I think that's an important conversation.

TURNER: But you know...

CUOMO: Go ahead, Nischelle, please.

TURNER: You know, Chris, there is -- there is a problem at the school. I mean, just about a month ago, the dean of the journalism school came to Los Angeles, and he and I had a meeting. And we sat down, and he laid out the fact that they have a serious diversity problem there. And he felt like things needed to be done; they needed to be different. Asked for my help in trying to talk to minority students and help them feel better about their time on campus, bring more minority students there, because it is a problem at the University of Missouri. It has been a problem.

You know, I was one of very few black students in the journalism school and, you know, when I was there. So it has been a problem; it is a problem.

This is actually when I first became aware of how bad it had gotten was over a month ago. And it just -- it hurt my soul, but then it also made me think maybe this is the time that change can start to happen, when you really get to that point where you feel completely broken. That's when change starts to happen. Maybe that's what's happening.

CUOMO: Well, let's see what happens, and to be sure, you're a beautiful example of the potential of that university, the reputation of University of Missouri is certainly strong regardless of this. Let's see what happens next. Nischelle Turner, Christine Brennan, thank you very much -- Michaela.

TURNER: Thank you.

PEREIRA: All right, Chris, the GOP candidates are preparing to face off for the fourth time at tonight's Republican debate. Donald Trump sharpening some of his attacks on rivals Ben Carson and Marco Rubio. But it's anybody's guess what might happen on that stage in Milwaukee tonight.

That's where we find CNN's Sunlen Serfaty, live with a preview. And also dusting off the stage, making sure everything is ready to go. How are we looking?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Michaela. We've already seen some rumblings between the campaigns. Overnight there was really a big escalation in the war of words between the Bush campaign and Rubio campaign, which of course, certainly sets the stage for potentially a fiery debate tonight.

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SERFATY (voice-over): Tonight's debate, a critical moment for candidates in the Republican race to the White House. The main stage a bit roomier this time around. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie bumped off the main stage to the undercard debate.

Fewer people means more time for each GOP hopeful, the network saying they'll allow the candidates to respond to each other's criticisms directly.

TRUMP: This is a strange election, isn't it?

SERFATY: Donald Trump giving an early indication he may not be so nice with his chief rival, going after Dr. Ben Carson over questions about his violent past at his rally in Illinois Monday night.

[06:10:11] TRUMP: This is the only election in history where you're better off if you stab somebody. What are we coming to? People are getting away with murder. I never saw anything like this. You can say anything about anybody and their poll numbers go up.

SERFATY: The billionaire taking on Starbucks after they changed their holiday cups.

TRUMP: Maybe we should boycott Starbucks. Starbucks is taking "Merry Christmas" off. No more "Merry Christmas." If I become president we're all going to be saying, "Merry Christmas" again.

SERFATY: Trump also had guns a-blazing for Senator Marco Rubio, attacking his previous stance on immigration.

TRUMP: And then I look at a guy like Rubio who's very, very weak on illegal immigration. He was a member of the Gang of Eight.

SERFATY: Tonight, Rubio may be forced once again to answer allegations of messy finances and other attacks coming from his mentor, Jeb Bush.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jeb Bush has certainly telegraphed that, you know, Marco Rubio has a target on his back, and he's going to be coming after him.

SERFATY: FOX Business, the host of tonight's debate, hoping to draw a sharp contrast to CNBC, taking a jab at the previous moderators, saying they never really asked real questions. The network instead promising a real debate on the economy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not so sure that these personal attacks that we're looking for will be there, because I'm not sure they'll be provided, necessarily.

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SERFATY: And according to "The New York Times," the Jeb Bush super PAC is threatening to line up big money, as much as $20 million, to invest into attacking Marco Rubio's record. Now, the Rubio campaign overnight already responding, questioningly -- questioning, almost mockingly, how is this the kind of joyful campaign that Jeb claims he wanted to run -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right, Sunlen. It's going to be quite an interesting night. You make sure all the final preps are in order. We'll check back with you a little later. And you can, of course, be sure to tune in tonight, 11 p.m. Eastern for all of the CNN post-debate analysis, Anderson Cooper and the best political team around.

CAMEROTA: There's mounting concern this morning about the vetting process of airport employees here in the U.S. following the crash of the Russian Metrojet flight. Authorities are investigating whether an airport insider planted a bomb on that plane. U.S. officials trying to address security gaps at our nation's airports.

CNN's aviation correspondent, Rene Marsh, live in Reagan National Airport with the latest.

What have you learned, Rene?

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: At this point, Alisyn, we know that the Department of Homeland Security is specifically focused on those overseas airports with direct flights to the United States. Airports in places like Cairo, Kuwait City as well as Amman.

But officials here in the United States are now sounding the alarm about potential issues, that potential insider threat at our own airports, domestic airports. I spoke with one official who says we don't know enough about the close to 1 million airport workers right here in the United States.

Another U.S. official told me that the information collected to vet these airport workers is about the same and equivalent to what a passenger would submit for security clearance for pre-check.

Take a listen to one congressman who's extremely concerned.

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REP. JOHN KATKO (R), NEW YORK: We don't know enough about them. And it's troubling that some, you don't even have the basic biographical data on some of these employees. That needs to change.

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MARSH: Well, that was Congressman John Katko. He is the chairman of the House Subcommittee on Transportation Security. He authored legislation which would, No. 1, increase the number of random checks on these airport workers when they arrive at work, as well as do recurring background checks. It passed the House, but it still has not passed the Senate.

Back to you, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Thank you very much for the reporting.

And of course, this new sense of urgency at the TSA is also somewhat of a reflection of what happened with the Metrojet crash in the Sinai. Now, samples of debris from Flight 9268 have been flown to Moscow for analysis.

Here's the caveat. Russian investigators warn it may take weeks or months to conclusively determine what brought the plane down in that peninsula.

So meanwhile, ISIS claims its affiliate in the Sinai did it in retaliation for Russian airstrikes in Iraq and Syria.

PEREIRA: Breaking development overnight, an arrest in the shooting of a Texas state judge. A person of interest in the case is now behind bars, taken into custody on unrelated charges. Ed Lavandera following developments for us live.

What was the arrest under?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is a fugitive warrant that was executed last night in the city of Houston, a law enforcement source telling us that this arrest was made late last night. So far, we have not been able to get a name of this person that is being interviewed by investigators there.

We are told that this is simply described as a person of interest by Austin Police Department officials. And that is because this person has not yet been criminally charged.

But the law enforcement source, Michaela, does tell us that there is a connection between this person and Judge Julie Kocurek. Remember, this was the judge that was shot at Friday night as she was returning to her home in her driveway after coming home from a high school football game.

So this is a case that has really rocked the legal community here in Houston. Many of her family and colleagues and friends have been saying for the last several days they were convinced that this was a planned, targeted attack based on the work she does here in Austin -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right, Ed, thanks so much for all of that.

Meanwhile, a federal appeals court dealing a decisive blow to President Obama's immigration plans. In a 2-1 ruling, the 5th Circuit Court of New Orleans upheld a lawsuit brought by 26 states blocking the president's move to provide up to 5 million immigrants with work permits and protection from deportation. The judges ruled that the challenge by the states was likely to succeed in court.

CUOMO: All right. Here comes the fourth Republican debate. Sure to be on the agenda, Ben Carson's past and, of course, Donald Trump's reaction to it. Take a listen.

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TRUMP: If you try and hit your mother over the head with a hammer, your poll numbers go up. I never saw anything like it.

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CUOMO: Is it that simple? What's really going on there? We have a complete debate preview for you, ahead.

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[06:20:38] TRUMP: This is a strange election, isn't it? Man! You stab somebody, and the newspapers say you didn't do it. And you say, "Yes, I did, I did it!"

"No, you didn't."

This is the only election in history where you're better off if you stabbed somebody. What are we coming to?

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CAMEROTA: That was Donald Trump expressing bafflement at this interesting election. So what happens tonight when the Republicans face off in tonight's debate?

Let's ask columnist for "The Daily Beast," Patricia Murphy; and CNN political commentator and political anchor at New York One, Errol Louis. Great to have both of you with us.

So that was a funny pot-calling-kettle moment, where Donald Trump can't believe this election. It's curiouser and curiouser. But what will happen tonight? Will the stories and the anomalies in Ben Carson's personal stories, will someone raise those or not?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first of all, it is undeniably absurd that people are now in the position of saying, "I won't vote for you unless you can admit and prove that you stabbed somebody. It is absurd.

On the other hand, telling the truth, which is really what this is about, is a little more important and a little more serious. I suspect that it may come up but frankly, a lot of the most recent records, I got an e-mail from Armstrong Williams, who you had on the show yesterday, explaining what happened at Yale. And I'm not going to take time to go down that rabbit hole.

CAMEROTA: I've read it. It is fascinating.

LOUIS: But apparently -- apparently, Dr. Carson's memory is, you know, 80 percent accurate after 50 years.

CAMEROTA: Sort of. I mean, his memory is a little different than the other kids. There was a parody about whether or not they had to retake a test. And most of the kids recognized it as a parody.

LOUIS: And it was a prank. Right.

CAMEROTA: And didn't show up. He did not recognize that it was a parody. He showed up. That might show his honesty and his discipline, or it might show that he didn't get the joke.

LOUIS: Right, right. Exactly. But the point is that his account was accurate. And so, you know, when people start to go down -- along this narrative of saying he's not telling the truth about his past, well, sometimes he is, and sometimes it doesn't really matter. And I think that's probably a case where it doesn't really matter. So I suspect that a lot of it is going to get swept away, and they'll just settle for attacking the media, which is a pretty reliable applause line in these debates.

CUOMO: And just about everyone. Patricia, though, let's talk about what it really is about. I mean, you know, one suggestion would be that these candidates may say they hate this line of questioning, but they're more comfortable with it and engendering it than they are talking about the actual policies that they say they want in the debate tonight. What do you expect as a course of dialogue?

PATRICIA MURPHY, COLUMNIST, "THE DAILY BEAST": Well, I expect that the moderators for FOX Business are going to take a really different path than the CNBC moderators did. I think that if any personal attacks come up or questions about people's past or personal indiscretions or personal stories that they've been telling, I think that's going to be candidate to candidate attacks. I think these moderators are going to keep it on jobs, the economy and

the topics that we saw come up -- that didn't come up in it the last debate. I don't think we're going to hear a whole lot about fantasy football. I do think we'll hear about taxes, jobs, the economy.

But again, with Donald Trump on the stage, anything could happen. And with Ben Carson scooting away from him in some of these national polls, we know that Trump is starting to hit the panic button a little bit. Other candidates are starting to panic a little bit about Marco Rubio's momentum. So these candidates have got to land some punches in this debate. The moderators probably won't do it, but I would not be surprised to see other candidates go after each other on these personal questions.

CUOMO: Want to talk about the numbers?

CAMEROTA: Yes. I do want to bring up this. There's an interesting Marist poll, Errol, that talks about what you're saying about trustworthiness.

The voters, the supporters of Ben Carson do not have any problem with the discrepancies in his personal story. In fact, they don't even really believe that there are discrepancies in the personal stories.

So look at this new Marist/McClatchy poll. And it says -- it asks the question of Republican voters, the more you hear, the more you like. Ben Carson is way out in front, 67 percent. The more they learn about him, the more they like him.

CUOMO: They also knew the least about him, though, to start with.

CAMEROTA: But they like what they know; they like what they hear.

LOUIS: That's right. And look, that speaks, I think, in part to his presentation. Bedside manner really comes in handy. He knows how to soothe people. He's done it for many decades. He projects confidence, authority and compassion. And this is what people like. So people respond to it, and no question about it.

But the problem for the more abrasive candidates, who are going in the other direction, where the more you hear about Bush, the less the voters like him. The more you hear from Trump...

[06:25:04] CAMEROTA: He's not abrasive. I mean, the more you hear about Bush the less you like because of something else.

LOUIS: Well, I mean, I don't know. He got kind of snippy in the last debate when he was kind of going after Rubio. And you know, it was kind of a sourness. It was not what you want to see. You know, you want to see sort of sunny optimism. And he calls himself the hopeful turtle or something like that, which doesn't necessarily connect with people.

So what we've got are people who once, you're in that negative feedback loop, though, think of what a terrible position it puts you in. It means that every day you're going out, knowing that you're sort of undoing sales. You know, you're kind of turning people off. You either have to get a complete re-adjustment and rethink the whole project, or you have to try some new strategy, which perhaps we'll see tonight in the debate.

CUOMO: Well, so what do you see? I've been a little slow on talking about Jeb too much, because he's just not registering in the election. So, you know, when you're covering something, you want to talk about where the momentum is, it's not where he is, then.

But now there's news that his PAC is going to come out with attack ads against Marco Rubio, Marco is usually mad, as a way to fundraise. What do you see in that dynamic of what needs to happen, Patricia?

MURPHY: I see that Jeb Bush needs to do something big tonight. When he really flubbed a couple of attacks from the last debate, we heard from some of his donors that said, "I am not comfortable with the performance that he's putting forward on the campaign trail or in these debates. I'll give him until the next debate to see if he can turn it around."

He has hit the reset button a little bit. But those numbers, when you have people who, the more they find out about you, the less they like you, and Jeb Bush, who has the highest name I.D., and the more people find out about him, he's the least liked candidate when you apply that measurement. He's also the candidate who is advertising the most. So voters are hearing more about him and liking him less.

And to Errol's point, a candidate starts to really get up in their head at this point. Instead of just being yourself, you just want people to like you. You just want to please your donors. It's such an ugly dynamic for Jeb Bush. He needs to sort of strip away all of these dynamics and just go out there and be himself.

But I don't think voters even know who that is. And if he can't get to who that person is very, very soon, he's going to have serious, serious troubles with donors, who would rather back a winner than back a Bush.

CAMEROTA: Right. Like maybe even tomorrow.

MURPHY: Yes.

CAMEROTA: I mean, very, very soon like maybe...

MURPHY: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: ... if he doesn't register tonight.

Errol, I want to talk to you about what the FBN moderators need to do tonight. So after the evisceration of the CNBC moderators, FBN is in a bit of a pickle. Do they just stick to the straight and narrow?

CUOMO: They have to do better.

CAMEROTA: Just the economy?

CUOMO: Just by, like, default. They got so much heat in the last debate that this is almost a guaranteed win.

CAMEROTA: They will. However, does it have a chilling effect in that they are -- have to parse every question so carefully and make sure they just stick to the topics? Don't ask Ben Carson about his past. Don't ask Marco Rubio about his checkbook, because they might be accused of going after them.

LOUIS: You know what? I suspect that the moderators and the producers are going to try to make sure that we in the business, meaning other moderators, other news organizations, don't come after them. That what the candidates do, candidates are going to do whatever they do. They're going to attack the press. We know that they're going to attack the media.

But what I think they want to do is make sure that they're asking serious questions, that they're properly asked, that they're managing the time properly. I think that's really sort of important. Like not giving somebody 30 seconds to explain the most important thing in their life. Let them talk. Let there be a conversation.

CAMEROTA: But there's a time limit. I mean, there's 90 seconds, their time limit. Shouldn't they cut people off?

LOUIS: Well, you know, I've always used the -- I've done dozens and dozens of debates, including some statewide ones, including with your brother and other people. And what you do is you use it as the guideline. You don't use it -- you don't jump in as if they're trying to sort of cheat you or something like that. It's just like we're giving you about 90 seconds. If you take 100 seconds to make your point, that's fine. People who know how to manage time -- and most of them do in television -- should let a conversation happen, because that is what the people respond to.

It's when they start jumping in, and buzzers start ringing, and they start cutting people off and talking over them. I think that's when you lose the audience, that's when you sort of fail the public, and that's when you start to lose the debate and get criticized.

CUOMO: It's about them, not the moderators, to be sure. And you know what? Errol made a great point: You can't control the candidates. To be fair to CNBC, the question that started all of this to Senator Cruz where he went on his rant about the media was about fiscal policy. The question was about fiscal policy. He didn't answer it. And he decided to go on this rant, and that kind of led -- that kind of ignited that debate.

But we'll see what happens tonight. That's the nice part. Once it happens, then we'll know for sure. Patricia Murphy, thank you very much. Errol Louis as well.

MURPHY: Thanks so much.

CAMEROTA: What's your take on what will happen tonight? What you want to see happen tonight? Please tweet us using the hashtag #NewDayCNN. Or you can post your question on Facebook.com/NewDay.

Also, keep it here on CNN for post-debate analysis. That's tonight at 11 p.m. Eastern.

PEREIRA: Look at Errol talking all crazy about managing time. On television? What's that?

CAMEROTA: Crazy talk.

PEREIRA: I know.

All right. Have you seen this crazy video? A dramatic police chase caught on video. A suspect in a stolen vehicle slamming her car into a police officer's cruiser. We're going to show you how this wild pursuit finally ended.

CUOMO: Whoa.