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New Chicago Police Shooting Video May Be Released; Officials: Farook May Have Planned Attack in 2012; Global Condemnation of Trump's Muslim Ban. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired December 09, 2015 - 06:30   ET

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[06:30:53] MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Embattled Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is set to deliver a highly anticipated speech about police misconduct to members of his city council this morning. This comes as the city braces for the possible release of yet another video of a controversial police shooting pending a judge's order.

CNN's Rosa Flores has more.

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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First there was the shocking video of Laquan McDonald and then Ronald Johnson. Both shot and killed by Chicago police, cases that have caused outrage.

But there's a third police shooting and video that few have seen. We've talked to two men who have seen it and they say it shows in detail the killing of black teen Cedrick Chatman by a Chicago police officer in 2013.

BRIAN COFFMAN, CHATMAN'S ATTORNEY: He is running as fast as he possibly can away from the police when he is shot.

FLORES: Brian Coffman represents Chatman's family and has been fighting for the release of the video.

COFFMAN: Approximately three to four seconds lapses and the first bullet is fired. And he is dead within eight seconds of getting out of his car and running.

LORENZO DAVIS, FIRED BY IPRA: We saw the commotion when I heard gunshots.

FLORES: Lorenzo Davis analyzed the video second by second and says this case cost him his job.

DAVIS: We felt like it was unjustified shooting.

FLORES: Davis led the review for the city agency that investigates all officer-involved shootings, called the Independent Police Review Authority, or IPRA, a former police officer himself, he describes what's on the video.

DAVIS: They pulled up alongside of that car.

FLORES: Chatman was running away from the stolen car he was driving when a police officer opened fire.

DAVIS: Chatman was running along here, and when he got to roughly this location, I would say, there was a gunshot.

FLORES: Chatman was carrying a black iPhone box in his hand. The shooting officer would later say he thought it was gun.

DAVIS: He did not shout a warning. He did not use his radio to give direction of flight. He simply pointed his gun until he had a clear shot.

FLORES (on camera): Lorenzo Davis says when he deemed the shooting unjustified, his boss said IPRA asked him to change it to justified. When he refused, he says he was fired.

(voice-over): IPRA assigned another investigator and called part of Davis' report glaringly biased, saying there was a significant discrepancy between Davis' findings and what the facts of the case actually show. The officer who shot Chatman was exonerated.

DAVIS: They don't want to say that the shooting was wrong.

FLORES (on camera): Why is that?

DAVIS: Because then it makes it look like some police officers are killers. Right, and they don't want it to look that way.

FLORES (voice-over): Rosa Flores, CNN, Chicago.

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Familiar questions and a familiar search for answers there. We'll stay on that story.

So, San Bernardino, why weren't the terrorists there on the radar for law enforcement despite planning an attack three years ago, all these communications, it seems to get broader and broader who they were working with. We have new reporting about all those different aspects and we ask who should have known, next.

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[06:38:05] CUOMO: New information out of San Bernardino. Investigators now believe the terrorists were planning an attack as long as three years ago.

Officials tell CNN, he, the male killer, and a second unknown person, even had a location in mind.

Let's break this down with Tom Fuentes. He's a CNN law enforcement analyst and a former FBI assistant director.

Tom, thank you for being with us this morning.

As you aggregate the reporting on this, about who knew, for how long, and what was done, should this guy and/or his wife have been flagged?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Good morning, Chris.

I think the problem is going to be to determine if it was an intelligence failure, did the authorities have the information and miss it? Were they told, were they informed? Was there a reasonable intelligence gather that should have caused them to open a case and look further into him? We don't know that yet.

In hindsight now going back to the case and finding individuals that he may have been in contact then, you know, that may be, that we're finding those kind of things. But things like borrowing thousands of dollars, that's not illegal. That's something that would be reported.

And people have financial privacy. There's financial privacy laws that prevent banks and credit organizations from even providing that information without a reason to provide it. You know, for a subpoena or court order, things like that.

CUOMO: What else should be done? When you look at what happened here, what else does it teach us about what else should be done? Because you have a growing movement in the country to ban everybody of this faith because we're afraid that we are powerless against this threat.

When you look at something like this, it does seem like you're powerless. So, what else needs to be done?

FUENTES: Well, I think that we're still going to have to determine what else needs to be done to see if there was something missed or some law that could be changed that could do something about that. If people are afraid about immigration and visas being issued, Farook was born in Chicago.

So, he's not even a foreign-born immigrant. He was here. He was radicalized here in the United States.

[06:40:00] CUOMO: Right.

FUENTES: You know, that's over the Internet.

The attempts by the authorities to try to do something about the postings have proven to be almost impossible -- if not impossible. ISIS is posting about 40,000 tweets a day. They're changing accounts as quick as they're shut down. And there's no slowing that down. There's been no slowing it down.

As far as our relationships around the world, you know, the FBI has offices in every major Muslim country. That means the law enforcement officials, intelligence officials they're working with are Muslim. The people that are brought back to FBI's executive course are Muslim.

CUOMO: Right.

FUENTES: We banned them from coming back.

So, the talk of this even is hurtful but if it actually went into effect, it would be a disaster. We would not get information --

CUOMO: Right, more and more of the guys in your field and in the intelligence community are saying exactly that. We get our best stuff by working with the Muslim community if that's where the terrorist base is. Now, you're threatening them, you're winding up scaring off your best information base.

Let me ask you something, the guy who bought the guns, not a Muslim by birth, Muslim by convert, perhaps. He bought these guns, gave them to the guy. Very early on, investigators say we done the think he had anything to do with it. It seems like a very rash decision. Why hasn't he been picked up?

FUENTES: How do we know that's been decided?

CUOMO: The guys from your house, the FBI, were saying we don't think he has anything to do with it.

FUENTES: Well, they have a lot of information about that. As far as buying assault rifles and giving them to a buddy, that's been something that's been discussed here and rejected by Congress and everybody that, oh, no, we don't want the government to know if you buy an assault rifle because, quote, "the jack-booted thugs will come take it away from you."

CUOMO: Right.

FUENTES: That's why you can buy one of these rifles, if you don't have a criminal record or been adjudged mentally ill, you can buy one with no problem. If you buy it, you can give it away.

CUOMO: Right.

FUENTES: You can hand it to anybody you want to, which may be the case here.

So, you know, that's, again, taking advantage of very open laws to buy guns of military power without -- with impunity in our society. That's just something that, you know, there's been no discussion seriously about changing that.

CUOMO: Right. The two big people on the radar, there's one unknown guy, the male terrorist was dealing with. Then you have the guy who gave him the gun and then you have the mom living in the house. I know that's the circle of intensity right now.

Tom Fuentes, thank you very much for helping us think through this. Appreciate it.

FUENTES: You're welcome.

CUOMO: Alisyn?

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, Chris.

Global condemnation for Trump's call to ban Muslims. Up next, we have a very special segment. We have three of our best foreign correspondents, they're here in studio to tell us what they're seeing and hearing on the ground in other countries about Trump's plan.

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[06:46:44] PEREIRA: Donald Trump facing mounting backlash over his anti-Muslim policy. Top Republican leaders, including the House speaker and chair of the RNC, say the proposal is un-American. Leaders from Britain and France also fiercely condemning his plan.

But this latest controversy isn't stopping Trump. In fact, he's renewing his threat to run as an independent. Meanwhile, a new CNN poll from CNN and WMUR shows that Trump is nearly doubled his lead in New Hampshire.

CAMEROTA: A bill to tighten restrictions on the nation's visa waiver program, excuse me, passing by an overwhelming margin in the House. It requires a visa for anyone from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or anyone who's traveled there in the last five years. It also calls for better information sharing with countries allowing travel to the U.S. without a visa.

CUOMO: Attorney General Loretta Lynch announcing information- sharing agreements with nearly four dozen countries to track suspected terrorists. Lynch says Interpol now has 4,000 profiles on foreign extremists, provided by the new partnership. She's also expressing concern that data privacy legislation before the European parliament could hamper this effort.

PEREIRA: All right. The streak continues. The Golden State Warriors winning their 23rd consecutive game last night, easily beating the Pacers.

Andy Scholes has more on our bleacher report this morning.

Hello, dear.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michael.

You know, I've been asking for weeks now, is anyone going to beat the Warriors? They're 23-0, and won 27 straight dating back the last season. That ties the Miami Heat team from three years ago for the second longest winning streak in NBA history.

And their game with the Pacers is pretty much over in the first quarter. Klay Thompson came out on fire. He hit 10 three-pointers, ended with 39 points in the game. The only bad news for the Warriors was that Thompson sprained his ankle in the fourth quarter. He's considered day to day.

Final on this, 131-123. Warriors are going to play at Boston Friday night.

Steelers back up quarterback Michael Vick continues to advocate for pet safety. Vick was at the Pennsylvania statehouse yesterday, supporting a bill that would give police authority to save dogs and cats from vehicles due to unsafe temperatures. In 2007, Vick pleaded guilty for his role in a dog fighting ring and did time in federal prison.

Since then, Alisyn, you know, Vick has done a lot to atone for his mistakes. It's good for him.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely.

All right. Thanks so much, Andy, for all of that.

Well, the Trump backlash is going global. How world leaders are reacting to Donald Trump and his comments, next.

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[06:53:19] CAMEROTA: The fallout from Donald Trump's proposed ban on Muslims is not stopping at the border. Criticism coming from officials around the world.

So let's get perspective from three of our favorite CNN international correspondents. Nic Robertson is CNN's international diplomatic editor. He is based in London. Clarissa Ward is a CNN senior international correspondent based everywhere, as far as I can tell. And Nick Paton Walsh is also a CNN senior international correspondent based in the Middle East and Beirut.

It's great to have all of you in studio. What a special occasion for us.

Clarissa, you're the newbie among this group. So, let me start with you.

I mean, you're everywhere, global, you've been roaring from everywhere since you got to CNN a couple months ago. What are you hearing? Are you hearing things about this presidential race and Donald Trump on the ground?

CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We're hearing a lot, I think, about Donald Trump, and particularly about these comments which we've seen, you know, they've been dismissed I think as arrogant and ignorant and absurd even by most Europeans and Middle Eastern people who I have spoken to about them.

But what I found really interesting when I was doing a cross- section and chatting with people from different backgrounds and different walks of different life in different countries, was the one group that really seemed to embrace Donald Trump's comments are ISIS.

And I spoke to an ISIS fighter who said to me, you know, quite simply, Clarissa, he is just saying the truth that Americans hate Muslims and it's time for Muslims living in the West to accept that.

He went on to say that the coconuts need to understand that they're not welcome in the West. By the coconuts he's using essentially a popular offensive term that ISIS followers use for Western Muslims, essentially the idea that they're brown on the outside but they're white on the inside.

[06:55:05] And this really speaks to the ISIS narrative, that it is not possible for Muslims and Westerners to co-exist peacefully, that Muslims living in West need to make hegira or migrate to the caliphate. And that's the only place --

CAMEROTA: I mean, this is incredible. This is exactly what people feared would happen, that ISIS would use it, but you -- because you have your ear to the ground always -- have the direct communication about this.

Nick, you're based in the Middle East. What's the feeling there?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the Middle East is looking for American leadership, those who care to listen to what the U.S. said. Remember, we had a keynote speech from Barack Obama on Sunday evening. Who's talking about that now? That's absolutely vanished.

The only thing being discussed now is this quite remarkably offensive notion. And I think those in the Middle East who look to the United States as a symbol of some kind of better ideology will be deeply offended by this. They may understand this as a radical part of the wing, frankly, similar to the same radical ideology as ISIS is to the Muslim faith. It's just not going to assist anybody on a moderate faith who think they can look to the U.S. for the leadership in the next month or so.

CAMEROTA: Nic, you're based in London. I have an interesting statement from the London mayor yesterday. He says, "Crime has been falling steadily, both in London and in New York. The only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump."

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes, what you're hearing from the British establishment is part of that. You heard it from the British prime minister yesterday. You heard it from the metropolitan police reacting to the metropolitan police who patrol the streets of London who work in the forefront of counterterrorism in the U.K., responding to Donald Trump saying that it wasn't safe, there were no-go areas essentially for the British police.

What you're hearing from the British establishment and undertones of it as well from other European countries is a concern that a prime ally, the United States, is perhaps not sharing the same values towards all cultures and faiths. That would be a worry in the United States. I would imagine, because as allies we work together to combat ISIS right now.

Imagine this -- last week, David Cameron is having a hugely important vote in the house of parliament. Is Britain going to join the United States in air strikes inside Syria?

CAMEROTA: Yes.

ROBERTSON: Now, imagine this speech had been a week earlier. Donald Trump's words had come a week earlier. There was a significant portion of the British parliament that was concerned about going to war in Syria. If they thought that they were getting into bed with a partner that had these, apparently on the surface anti-Muslim values, that's not the United States values, but that's what Britain hears.

And that's why you have the reaction from the British prime minister yesterday, from the mayor, from the senior police officer in London saying, wait a minute, this is a concern.

CAMEROTA: Clarissa -- go ahead.

WALSH: The broader issue, though, people don't necessarily in the Middle East or around the world make the distinction between a person who's trying to be a candidate for a party and the broader notion of what American political society is thinking. They aren't necessarily able to say, well, this man is being condemned by everybody else. He's dominating the narrative, incorrect as he is and repulsive frankly as he is for many people. But still, that flavor permeates much of the discussion about what America is thinking right now.

ROBERTSON: The Republican debate is what's coming across, because the Democratic nominee, as we see form outside, seems to be a shoo-in. So, what we hear a lot of overseas is the Republican debate and he's at the head of it.

CAMEROTA: Clarissa, we were together in Paris, obviously, after the terror attack there. Let me play you -- Chris talked to Donald Trump yesterday. Let me play a moment for you where he talked about what's going on in Paris and get you to respond. Listen to this.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via telephone): I have people that are friends living in Paris. They want to leave. They're petrified.

CUOMO: But what are they doing? Are they banning all Muslims?

TRUMP: Well, let's see, maybe they're going to have. Maybe they're going to have to do something.

CUOMO: That's not even on the table.

TRUMP: I'm talking about a temporary situation until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on, Chris.

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CAMEROTA: He says, "I have friends in Paris. They want to leave, they're petrified." That was not the feeling we got on the streets in Paris. But you're there all the time. What did you think?

WARD: No. I mean, of course, there's a sense of fear, not just in Paris but other countries in the West, that there is a vulnerability that these types of attacks are likely to keep happening.

It would be ridiculous to say there's no fear. I do think so.

But I do think that in Paris, people have a fundamentally different understanding of what is responsible for the rise of ISIS. They don't look at this as being simply a product of a fanatical interpretation of Islam. They look at it in its historical and geopolitical context. They look at U.S. and Western foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. They look at drone strikes and they understand that this is part of a larger, more complex picture.

I interview for "60 Minutes" some time ago, the former head of the French version of the CIA. He said to me, this isn't just a problem of Islam or this isn't just a problem of the Middle East. The problem is ours. This is part of our society. I think there's a real sense in Europe, a growing understanding that this is as well as being an issue of radical Islam, it's a social issue.