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Driver Mows Down Dozens on Vegas Strip; Schools Closed Over 'Detailed Threat of Violence'; Trump: Hillary Clinton 'Lies Like Crazy'; Miss Universe Host Steve Harvey Crowns Wrong Contestant; Jeb Bush: 'Donald Trump is a Jerk'; Clinton: Trump is 'Becoming ISIS's Best Recruiter.' Aired 6-6:30a ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have determined that this is an intentional act.
[05:58:27] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are, like, bouncing off the front of the car and you can here. The windshield was smashed at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We turned around and we saw a lot of people laying in the streets. A lot of them were badly injured.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Somebody like a Trump comes along and says, "I know the answers."
DONALD TRUMP (r), presidential candidate: This foolish guy Bernie.
HILLARY CLINTON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter.
TRUMP: She lies like crazy about everything.
She's like a snake with no energy.
JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just one other thing. I've got to get this off my chest. Donald Trump is a jerk.
TRUMP: Bush, incompetent.
STEVE HARVEY, HOST OF MISS UNIVERSE 2015 PAGEANT: Colombia. I have to apologize. Miss Universe 2015 is Philippines.
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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Monday, December 21, 6 a.m. in the East. Mick is off. And we do have breaking news overnight coming out of Las Vegas. One dead, dozens injured after a driver repeatedly plows into crowded sidewalks on the Vegas strip. We have witnesses describing the scene as the woman just mowed into people, as others tried to stop him.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: So that driver is in police custody. And adding to the shock of this story, we've learned she had a 3-year-old in the car. Authorities call this an intentional act, but they rule out terrorism. So what do they think happened.
CNN's Stephanie Elam is live in Vegas this morning with this developing story. What do we know, Stephanie?
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.
It happened just down here behind me on the Las Vegas strip. And you know this is a city that never shuts down. There are always people walking. At this point, we know one person is dead, and 37 others are injured, some of them critically.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a huge tragedy that's occurred on our strip.
ELAM (voice-over): Breaking overnight, a massive and deadly hit- and-run on the famous Las Vegas strip.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have determined that this is an intentional act.
ELAM: Police say a female driver in her 20s ran her vehicle up onto the sidewalk, bustling with tourists twice, possibly three times, plowing into nearly 40 people between Planet Hollywood and Paris Resort and Casino. The fatal incident unfolding while the Miss Universe pageant was under way inside Planet Hollywood.
LT. DAN MCGRATH, LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT: She's in the detention center right now. She's speaking to detectives.
ELAM: The suspect speeding off with a 3-year-old toddler inside was quickly apprehended by police less than a mile away. Investigators believe she's not a Las Vegas native but say this is not an act of terrorism.
MCGRATH: The information I got is she may have been here for a short period of time, but she's not -- she's not from here. This is a recent move here.
ELAM: Shocked witnesses say pedestrians scrambled to stop the woman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car rolled right in front of me. By the time I looked over to the right, all you could see was her driving away and people are, like, bouncing off the front of the car. You can here. People were punching the window, trying to get the -- apparently, the child out of the back seat. She accelerated again and just kept mowing everyone down.
ELAM: Investigators turning their attention to the vast amount of surveillance cameras outside the casinos.
CHIE BRETT ZIMMERMAN, LAS VEGAS POLICE DEPARTMENT: We will comb through that footage to get a detailed idea of what occurred.
ELAM: This as witnesses describe a horrific scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It looked like she wasn't even trying to stop the car. She had both of her hands on wheel and was looking straight forward, and there were men running after her trying to stop the vehicle. They couldn't get to her. They were yelling, "Stop, stop," and she just wasn't trying.
ELAM: We know the female driver is in custody, and she's being tested for drugs and alcohol.
But at this point, Chris, the question remains, why would someone intentionally drive their car into a crowded sidewalk on the Las Vegas Strip?
CUOMO: All right, Steph. Let's try to get a little closer to an answer. Joining us on the phone right now is Sophie Kitteridge. She was nearby on the Strip when the crash happened. Sophie, can you hear me?
SOPHIE KITTERIDGE, WITNESS (via phone): Yes.
CUOMO: All right. How are you this morning? How are the people you were with?
KITTERIDGE: Still in shock but doing OK.
CUOMO: So take us through it. What were you doing out there and what happened?
KITTERIDGE: We were standing and watching a show at the Bellagio, and we heard a lot of people started screaming. And we turned around, and we saw a lot of people laying in the street, badly injured. And people -- other people running around, trying to help. It was pretty chaotic.
CUOMO: What did it look like to you? Did it look like this woman was speeding down the sidewalk? You know, did it look like she was just taking her time? What did it look like to you?
KITTERIDGE: We didn't actually see the car. We turned around after she hit and run away. We could heard -- we could hear her car speeding up and driving away. We never saw the car.
CUOMO: You say people were lying around. They were injured. We keep hearing reports of how people stepped up to help others after this moment of crisis. What did you see? Was that true?
KITTERIDGE: Yes. There were a lot of people running around in the street trying to help those people who were injured. It took a couple of minutes before the paramedics could get there because of the traffic. So there was a lot of people running in to help. CUOMO: What's your guess about how far down this strip this
woman drove?
KITTERIDGE: I'm not sure. She started at the Planet Hollywood, and I think the last injury was at Paris. I don't know how far that would be, but...
CUOMO: And what were the police telling people? There was so much response on the scene. There were, like, rows of ambulances, as you know, and dozens of cop cars. What were they doing for people?
KITTERIDGE: They didn't say much. They said that we should walk up on the sideway, and not standing too close, like back off and stuff like that. And they tried to stop the traffic and, yes, basically trying to get people to walk around or move out of their way so they could help as many people as they were, as they could.
CUOMO: All right. So this is no way to start the holidays, obviously. But look, you know, just take solace that it's over. You're OK. Your friends are OK, and the woman is in custody. That's the best we can do for now. Thank you for telling us about this, and I hope you make it through the rest of the holidays.
KITTERIDGE: Thank you.
CUOMO: All right. Take care.
Alisyn.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We have some more breaking news to tell you about right now, because all public schools in Nashua, New Hampshire, will be closed today after officials received specific and violent threats directed at two high schools.
Sara Ganim is live in Nashville with the very latest. What do we know, Sara?
SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.
[06:05:03] That's right. Officials here saying this was a threat that was e-mailed into a school administrator, a specific violent threat made against the two high schools here in Nashua, New Hampshire.
They took it seriously. They shut down all 17 public elementary, middle and high schools today. You know, unfortunately, this being part of a frightening trend that's been happening in the last week, schools from California to Texas to Florida to New York receiving threats.
People are scared, some shutting down schools, others finding them to be not credible, finding them to be hoaxes and not shutting down schools. But here in Nashua, New Hampshire, this is a high- profile place. This is a place that politicians have been frequently -- frequenting lately as the presidential primary approaches in January, the first primary. This is a place that a lot of eyes are on, a lot of people are
watching. So as they work with the FBI to trace this threat, to figure out if this is credible or not, the school superintendent said they were taking no chances, shutting down classes today, although they do expect to re-open tomorrow -- Chris.
CUOMO: And Sara, you know, as you know, being on the ground there, they get criticism for closing the schools. But it's almost like how can you not? If there's a reasonable threat, how can take the risk, especially in the emotional environment we're in right now?
Thank you very much for being here for us. Let us know what else you find.
So after the debate, we said there was going to be something new in the race, and there has been. There's this new dynamic with Jeb Bush and Donald Trump and the Democrats after Saturday's debate and Donald Trump. What is going on here?
Well, here's one little road into it. Clinton made this assertion that Trump is going to become ISIS's best recruiter and suggested that there were tapes out that they were using with Donald Trump. But where's the proof of that?
Let's bring in CNN's Athena jones, live in D.C. Is there any "there" there?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.
Well, no, Hillary Clinton got into some trouble for that claim. Because there isn't any evidence that ISIS is showing videos of Trump to try to recruit more radical jihadists, which is one thing she said in that debate in Manchester on Saturday night.
And Trump has been dominating the conversation, no matter who is doing the talking, whether it's Republican candidates or Democratic candidates or people on the street. He's the only GOP candidate who was mentioned by name at that Democratic debate. He was mentioned over and over and over again.
Let's play a little bit of that. And you'll hear what Clinton had to say on that ISIS recruiting line. Go ahead and play that.
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CLINTON: I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from the Republicans, particularly Donald Trump...
MARTIN O'MALLEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Fascist pleas of billionaires with big mouths.
SANDERS: Somebody like a Trump comes along and says, "I know the answers. The answer is that all of the Mexicans, they're criminals and rapists."
CLINTON: He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter. (END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: So there you heard the beginning of that line. She went on to say that the group is, like I said, showing videos of Trump to potential recruits. There's no evidence of that.
Trump responded in an interview and on Twitter, calling Hillary a liar and saying everybody knows she's a liar. So in some ways taking a dig at her honesty and trustworthy numbers. But Clinton is not the only one who's been hitting Trump. Jeb Bush also spent a lot of time attacking Trump over the weekend at various events.
Take a listen to what -- some of what Bush had to say and Trump's response.
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BUSH: Just one other thing. I've got to get this off my chest. Donald Trump is a jerk.
TRUMP: Jeb is an embarrassment to himself and to his family.
JONES: So this is a feud that's been going on for months now. But calling Bush an embarrassment to his family, that's a pretty deep dig. Bush has been trying to respond to Trump, who labeled him long ago a low-energy candidates. He's been trying to hit back for months now, because that label has been pretty expensive by Trump.
And also, John Kasich has been poking Trump for a while now, too. The latest is that he had sent out -- his campaign sent out a mock press release, announcing that Donald Trump has named Russian President Vladimir Putin as his running mate.
I don't know if we have a picture of that to put up on the screen. But this is after Putin and Trump have been saying a lot of nice things to each other.
So Trump is dominating the conversation. A lot of folks are trying to poke at Trump. Trump's having fun at Trump's expense. Nothing seems to hurt Trump. So maybe this isn't really happening at Trump's expense -- Alisyn.
CAMEROTA: There you go. So much material, some of it for satire. Athena, thank you very much for that.
Well, the race is on at this hour to find survivors of a massive landslide that rocked Southern China Sunday. At least 91 people still missing. Hundreds of emergency workers are sifting through an industrial park in the city of Shenzhen for signs of life after 33 buildings were hit. Look at this video. Fourteen people have been pulled from the rubble. Investigators believe a large pile of dirt caused the landslide.
CUOMO: There's a new Miss Universe this morning, but what a "but." The announcement was crazy. The pageant's host, Steve Harvey, wound up crowning the wrong winner and then had to give a shockingly and incredibly awkward apology.
[06:10:09] CNN's Boris Sanchez joins us live with the latest. This is a situation you do not want to be in if you're him or if you're the winner.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's tough to watch, a royal mess. On the Internet, this is catching fire. Some people saying it's sad, feeling bad for Miss Colombia. Others thinks it's funny, and they're making light of it. I bet you can't watch this video, though, without cringing.
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HARVEY: Colombia!
SANCHEZ (voice-over): For a brief moment, Miss Colombia celebrated being crowned Miss Universe, but her reign lasted only a few minutes.
HARVEY: I have to apologize. The first runner-up is Colombia. Miss Universe 2015 is Philippines.
SANCHEZ: Miss Universe 2015 host Steve Harvey misreading his cue cards and naming the wrong contestant as the winner. The two women awkwardly standing at the end of the stage, paralyzed by the snafu.
HARVEY: This is exactly what's on the card. I will take responsibility for this. It was my mistake. It was on the card.
SANCHEZ: Miss Colombia stripped of her crown, stunned viewers watching as Miss Universe 2014 placed it on the head of winner Miss Philippines, the show abruptly cutting to credits.
Some of the other judges taking to social media.
NIECY NASH, MISS UNIVERSE JUDGE: Oh, my God!
SANCHEZ: Judge Niecy Nash tweeting this video.
NASH: Oh, my God! This is crazy right now.
SANCHEZ: Harvey himself tweeting after the show, saying, quote, "I'd like to apologize wholeheartedly to Miss Colombia and Miss Philippines for my huge mistake. I feel terrible," even posting a picture with Miss Philippines backstage, saying he was able to apologize to her and Miss Columbia personally, who tearfully also spoke out after the show.
ARIADNA GUTIERREZ, MISS COLUMBIA 2015: Everything happens for a reason, so I'm happy.
SANCHEZ: But the newly-crowned Miss Universe perfectly summing up the shocking turn of events.
PIA ALONZO, MISS UNIVERSE 2015: It's a very nontraditional crowning moment. Isn't it? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
ALONZO: It's very 2015.
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SANCHEZ: You've got to feel bad for Steve Harvey and Miss Colombia. Adding fuel to the fire, though, a Snapchat possibly showing Harvey complaining that the teleprompter had the wrong name in it.
Pageant organizers also issued a statement in which they apologized to Miss Columbia and Miss Philippines as well as their fans. This is what they said, quote, "Unfortunately, a live telecast means human error could come into play. We witnessed that tonight when the wrong winner was initially announced."
Again, tough to watch for Miss Colombia. But we all win with the jokes and memes we're going to see online now.
CAMEROTA: Miss Colombia will be fine. She looks exactly like Sofia Vergara. She will go on to be fine. But what a horrible situation, especially for Steve Harvey. I mean, I understand teleprompter mistakes. That sounds horrible.
CUOMO: Two things: One, do you think they don't -- do you think there's any chance that they did this to draw more attention to the show? Because we never would have covered it as much as we are now.
CAMEROTA: No. This isn't the kind of attention they want. Steve Harvey feels terrible. He tweeted out how horribly he feels. That was too awkward a moment.
CUOMO: Does he feel horrible?
CAMEROTA: He feels horrible.
CUOMO: Is he injured by this?
CAMEROTA: Yes.
CUOMO: And then what about Miss Philippines is still -- you know, she's Miss Universe. Not like she got dropped through a hatch into some shark-infested waters or something like that. And Miss Colombia, she seems OK with a little dab of the eyes. You're saying no chance, zero chance.
CAMEROTA: No chance.
CUOMO: Not a chance, anyway?
CAMEROTA: Your cynical take on this being manufactured is impossible.
CUOMO: Impossible?
CAMEROTA: Yes. More of a window into your psyche.
CUOMO: Impossible? Zero chance?
CAMEROTA: Zero.
CUOMO: What do you think?
CAMEROTA: Let us know. You know where to find us, @ChrisCuomo. Thanks for us.
All right. As we mentioned, Donald Trump coming under heavy attack from both sides of the aisle. How is he responding? In a Trump-like fashion.
CUOMO: Zero chance.
CAMEROTA: Zero!
CUOMO: There's never zero chance.
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[06:17:49] CAMEROTA: The presidential candidates ramping up their attacks on Donald Trump. And it's not just his Republican rivals. The Democrats also getting in on the action.
So let's bring in senior contributor for "The Daily Caller" and conservative commentator Matt Lewis and CNN political commentator and political anchor of Time Warner Cable News, Errol Louis.
Gentlemen, great to have you here, gentlemen. Great to have you here. Let's start with the continuing back and forth between Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. They were at it again this weekend. So listen to this.
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BUSH: Just one other thing. I've got to get this off my chest. Donald Trump is a jerk.
TRUMP: He's going to be off the stage soon. He's an embarrassment to the Bush family and, in fact, he doesn't even want to use the Bush name, which is interesting.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAMEROTA: OK, so Errol, ever since the debate, Jeb Bush has been taking on Donald Trump. Is this working for Jeb Bush?
LOUIS: Well, he has to do it. And I think it does work to a certain extent.
Look, it -- this race becomes about the bombastic insults and sort of tirades and fact-free assertions of Donald Trump. There's really no path to victory for a lot of the other candidates, especially somebody like Jeb Bush who's relying on, yes, he's part of the establishment. Yes, he has a lot of government experience.
If that doesn't count in this race, then Jeb Bush won't get anywhere. And I think that's what reflects his low standing in the polls, to a certain extent.
So he's got to try and carve out some space for himself. I think he, like a lot of the other candidates, couldn't quite believe that Donald Trump was going to do as well as he has done. So he's doing belatedly what he probably should have done from week one.
CUOMO: Errol Louis, making calling Donald Trump almost noble in political design.
Matt, let me ask you something. We were at the debate together. It did seem like, when Trump looked at Jeb and said, "Who's talking, me or you, Jeb?" and Jeb didn't back down, went at him, that it was like the closing, you know, of one of the rounds in a "Rocky" fight, where he's getting pummeled.
CAMEROTA: Is that your favorite metaphor?
CUOMO: But look what's happened since.
CAMEROTA: What?
CUOMO: Since that, Jeb has been taken great lengths to go at Donald Trump, which he had stopped doing, because they said it wasn't working. Now he seems to be doing it with renewed gusto. What do you see in it?
MATT LEWIS, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Yes. I think that was Jeb's best debate by far. But I think it took Jeb so -- it took him this long to kind of get his mojo to realize, No. 1, that Trump wasn't just going to fade away.
And No. 2, how to respond, you know. Jeb's a guy who I think temperamentally doesn't relish the fight. He's probably a really good guy.
[06:20:09] And I think that Jeb also is somebody who had not been in politics for, you know, a dozen years. And so it took him a long time to finally now...
CAMEROTA: Too late? I mean, is that what you're suggesting, Matt?
LEWIS: I think he's finally not holding his own, but I think that it's too late. I think that Trump very quickly defined Jeb Bush as being low-energy. And you can't turn that around, you know, a month or six months later.
CAMEROTA: Well, I mean, how could it be too late, Matt? Because nobody's voted yet. We even haven't had a first vote caucus or primary.
LEWIS: You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. CAMEROTA: OK.
LEWIS: I think in voters' minds, Jeb has been defined. And it's really hard -- once you've been defined, it's really hard to get the souffle to rise twice.
CAMEROTA: OK. I like that.
OK. It's not just the candidates who are talking about Donald Trump. President Obama is talking about him, as well. NPR just released an interview that they did with the president, in which the president explains why he thinks Donald Trump is resonating. Listen to this.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There is going to be potential anger, frustration, fear, some of it justified but just misdirected. And I think somebody like Mr. Trump's taken advantage of that. I mean, that's what he's exploiting during the course of his campaign.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAMEROTA: That's interesting, right, Errol, to hear the president talk about it, because isn't the president partially at fault? I mean, the president sets the tone for the country. If this country is angry and scared...
LOUIS: You know, it's interesting. What I hear in that statement, it hearkens back to the 2008 campaign when President, then candidate Obama got into a lot of trouble by talking about people bitterly clinging to their guns and so forth.
He has never done well with the segment of voters that really respond to Trump: lower educated, lower-income white males. He has struggled with them, Obama has, from the very first race. And this shows that he really hasn't done that much better with him, that they don't relate to him. They don't understand where he's coming from. He doesn't talk to them or sort of resonate with them, and he's got policies that, frankly, haven't worked.
So he's got, you know -- sort of a substantive side to this and a symbolic side to this. Trump is really exploiting both.
CUOMO: I mean, look, we're going to have to wait to see the votes. I have it -- I find it hard to believe that that's all Trump is drawing right now. I mean, I'm sure all, episodically, we're hearing from more and more people who are expressing their disaffection. I mean, not to the extent that Trump is putting it out there.
But I don't think it's just this one group that he's dealing with. And I think what just happened on Saturday night at the Democratic debate is going to help Trump a lot and help feed impressions of the DNC. Matt, when Hillary Clinton says that he is in ISIS videos being
used as a recruiting tool, and we've all listened to it a thousand times. It's very hard to translate it any other way; and we can't find the videos, what does that mean?
LEWIS: It was really awkward. The second time that Hillary Clinton has invoked a dubious video to make an argument about inspiring terrorism. It seems to be an interesting and odd trend.
And she didn't have to go that far. I mean, she could have just said Donald Trump is, you know, jeopardizing our relationship with Muslim allies, that we need the Kurds to support us. And if he's painting with this broad brush, that's irresponsible.
So Hillary was trying to be the responsible, competent person, versus the crazy Republicans with Donald Trump leading. And then she goes too far and botches it.
I will say this, though. I think what Hillary is trying to do, very clearly, I think Democrats have a strategy, is whether it's Donald Trump or someone else at the top of the ticket who gets the nomination, they're trying to Trumpify the Republican Party. And I think, let's say if Ted Cruz were to be the nominee, if he were to end up, you know, supplanting Donald Trump, they would tie Ted Cruz to Donald Trump. And that's sort of -- I think they're big message going into the general election.
CAMEROTA: In case people missed the debate on Saturday night -- and I know that's hard to believe that anybody would be doing anything else on a Saturday night before Christmas -- let's just quickly play the Hillary moment again, and then we also have Trump's response. So let's listen to this.
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CLINTON: He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter. They are going to people, showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.
TRUMP: Nobody has been able to back that up. It's nonsense. It's just another Hillary lie. She lies like crazy about everything, whether it's trips where she was being gunned down in a helicopter or an airplane. She's a liar, and everybody knows that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAMEROTA: Errol, did she give him, unwittingly, an opening?
LOUIS: Well, it is very amusing, the notion that you have Donald Trump fact checking.
CUOMO: Captain thousands and thousands.
LOUIS: Yes, well, exactly. On the other hand, I think all candidates should be held to the same standards. So she said something that's clearly not true. The words are out of her mouth. Her campaign doesn't want to really walk it back. So they're sort of trying to migrate towards some kind of clarification. It doesn't really serve anybody very well.
CUOMO: How could you clarify it. How is it anything but wrong?
[06:25:02] LOUIS: Her -- her campaign staff is trying to figure that out. They're probably having a meeting on that topic as we speak. And she's caught in the same trap as he is.
I mean, we're in the business of assuming that people want the truth; they want facts; they want accuracy. I think that's, by and large, true for voters. Not in every instance, but you know, she's got to -- she's got to acknowledge that she was wrong, you know, or she's got to come up with a video. Same standard that they would apply to Trump. Where's the video?
CAMEROTA: There you go. That is the question of this campaign: where's the video? Errol, Matt, thank you.
LEWIS: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: We've been covering breaking news this morning. The scene on the Las Vegas strip. Police say a woman intentionally mowed down as many as she could on the sidewalk with her car. Even more disturbing is who else was with her. We have all the latest when we come back.
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CAMEROTA: We are following breaking news this morning. One person is dead and dozens more injured after a driver plowed through a crowd on the Vegas strip.
Police are ruling out terrorism, they say, but they do believe it was intentional. We want to bring in Jonathan Gilliam. He's our CNN law enforcement analyst and former special agent for the FBI.
Jonathan, thanks for being here. How can police say that it was intentional? What evidence they would have that it was intentional?
JONATHAN GILLIAM, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I think the interview is going to tell very quickly. I mean, you know it's not an accident if they hit people and then drive off and hit more people? So that -- that shows you intent, that they were intending to run over people. But the reason behind that is something that they're going to have to come to through the interview with this person.
