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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'll suspend my campaign. I will not suspend my desire to help the country.

[05:58:58] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Everyone that goes against me is like next, next.

Hillary, that's not a president. She's terrible. Donald Trump is on video. She's a liar.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: She was found hanging from a noose made from a plastic bag in her cell at a county jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The grand jury did not return an indictment.

SHARON COOPER, SANDRA BLAND'S SISTER: We feel that the grand jury process and the secretive of it is reflective of our experience.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was two guys on the windshield, and they're like banging, trying to get the car to stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect, Lakeisha Holloway, repeatedly drove her car over pedestrians.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Twenty-four-year-old woman from Oregon. She's been charged with murder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The big question from a lot of people is "Why did this have to happen?"

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, December 22, 6 a.m. in the East. Mick is off. And we've reached a new low. you would never mock a woman for going to the bathroom or use a really vulgar "F" word synonym to describe her as an opponent, would you? Well, wait until you hear where the Clinton- Trump feud has sunk to, and sadly, it may be boosting at least one in the polls. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: This is going to be an interesting

show. I can tell you that much. This as new Quinnipiac poll numbers out this morning show a familiar trend, Trump maintaining his national lead among GOP candidates, with Ted Cruz close behind in second place.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns has the latest on the race.

Good morning, Joe.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn. Even compared to some of the language Donald Trump has used to describe other candidates in this race, these latest comments, made in a public forum and directed at Hillary Clinton, are surprisingly personal. And they're only adding more fuel to the feud between the two candidates sitting at the top of the polls in the race for their party's respective nominations.

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TRUMP: And you see Hillary. Did you watch that -- what happened to her? She's terrible.

JOHNS: Donald Trump unleashing yet another tirade against Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton at a rally in Michigan.

TRUMP: Hillary, that's not a president.

JOHNS: The billionaire coming under fire for using an R-rated derogatory term when referring to her 2008 defeat by Barack Obama.

TRUMP: She was favored to win, and she got shlonged. She lost. I mean, she lost.

JOHNS: And weighing in on her much-discussed bathroom break from Saturday's debate.

TRUMP: I know where she went. It's disgusting. I don't want to talk about it. No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it. It's disgusting.

JOHNS: Trump then going after Clinton's claim that ISIS is propagandizing the GOP frontrunner.

TRUMP: "Donald Trump is on video, and ISIS is using him on the video to recruit." And it turned out to be a lie. She's a liar.

JOHNS: Clinton's press secretary doubling down.

BRIAN FALLON, PRESS SECRETARY FOR HILLARY CLINTON: It is a confirmed fact that the footage of Donald Trump making those hateful comments earlier this month was played all across the Middle East.

JOHNS: Trump also discussing the controversy over Vladimir Putin's praise and allegations that the Russian president has ordered the killing of journalists. TRUMP: They said, "Oh, Trump should have been much nastier."

That's terrible. And then they said, you know, he's killed reporters. And I don't like that. I'm totally against that.

JOHNS: The GOP frontrunner then reconsidering.

TRUMP: I would never kill them. I would never do that. Ah, let's see. No, I wouldn't. But I do hate them. And some of them are such lying, disgusting people.

JOHNS: Trump continues leading in the latest national poll, but Texas Senator Ted Cruz is closing in. The rest of the GOP field making the rounds in the battleground state of New Hampshire, where Trump rival Jeb Bush again went on the attack.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is not a serious man that has serious plans.

JOHNS: As has happened at some other Trump events during this campaign, last night the candidates' remarks were repeatedly interrupted by protesters who were removed from the venue by security guards. Trump responding at one point, calling them a bunch of losers -- Chris.

CUOMO: And that is the least of it, Joe Johns. If I don't see you, best for Christmas to you and the family. Thank you for bringing us this gift this morning.

So the Democrats, polls for them, as well. Quinnipiac shows Hillary dominating. That's been going on for a long time. But it's actually becoming a more complex picture. Yes, she has a two-to-one advantage over Bernie Sanders nationally, 61 to 30 percent.

But despite the pleasantries at the debate, the issue over the Sanders campaign data, that breach is not going away.

Now, his campaign has a countermove. They're asking the Clinton campaign to join their call for an independent audit of the DNC's voter data system. It's safe to assume they don't believe that it's going to hurt them in the final analysis. The campaign also not expected to drop its lawsuit against the DNC, adding to the intrigue about the fairness in that process, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. We have a lot to talk about. And I don't know how we're going to get through this show without a euphemism- fest, which we're about to have.

So let's bring in Errol Louis. He's our CNN political commentator and a political anchor for Time Warner Cable News. And Maggie Haberman. She's a CNN political analyst and a presidential campaign correspondent for "The New York Times." Great to have both of you here.

Just when you think the campaign can't get any more coarse, or the language can't. somehow we lower the bar. So last night, Donald Trump had a campaign rally in which he had two sort of eyebrow-raising moments. The first was he talked about Hillary Clinton taking a bathroom break during the debate. So let me play for you what he said about that.

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TRUMP: I'm watching the debate, and she disappeared. Where did she go? Where did she go? I know where she went. It's disgusting. I don't want to talk about it. No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it. It's disgusting.

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CAMEROTA: Maggie, you cover politics, and you have for a long time.

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: And I visit restrooms, so I can answer this question.

CAMEROTA: You're appalling.

What's going on? I mean, what is going on here?

HABERMAN: What's going on here, I think, is -- this goes back to Saturday evening, where Hillary Clinton at the debate talked about how Trump was the star of recruitment videos for ISIS. She didn't say exactly that, but that was the intention -- or the impression that everyone had.

[06:05:17] Trump went on the Sunday shows, called her a liar, demanded an apology, which is interesting from the person from whom people are usually demanding an apology. Usually, it's the other way around. She then said no. Her campaign spokesperson said hell no.

And then Trump, I think did what he always does, which is he tries to hit back in some other way. The problem is the way he's hitting back, I don't think it's going to offend his supporters at all. I think that there's a lot of people it won't offend.

But it could motivate her supporters a great deal. And I don't think this is a lose [SIC] for her. I think it's much more dangerous for her, frankly, when he is calling her a liar with that loud megaphone of his. This is a much better fight for her.

CUOMO: All right. I don't want to get too deep into why did he say this? And then he's got a great technique of saying something terrible and then saying, but we don't want to talk about that. Not that he's suggested it.

CAMEROTA: Not that you're talking about it.

CUOMO: Let's not credit it. However, let's go to this proposition, which is something that's going to hurt Hillary. We can put up her plus negatives. She has a problem with being upside-down as they say in politics with the ratings, her positive/negative is flipped. The positive is supposed to be higher than negative. It isn't.

You'll see the number when they put it up. Donald Trump has the same issue. It's more troubling for Hillary, because she's more legitimate to the establishment. Let's go to this proposition, though. Maggie says she didn't quite say what Trump says she said. Do you believe that at the debate she said ISIS is using videos of Donald Trump as recruitment tools? Do you believe she said that?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.

CUOMO: They're parsing now the words. Which I can't believe political friendlies are saying. They're saying when she said "they" -- did you hear this one? -- she says ISIS is using -- they, there's a piece written that says "they," she didn't mean ISIS. That is dangerous territory for Clinton to get into.

CAMEROTA: Who did she mean? Social media, that ISIS supporters used, media uses some of his quotes.

CUOMO: But what's going on here? Why don't they just own the statement and say, "Yes, I said what came out of my mouth, and here's why I said it"?

LOUIS: It's one of the more frustrating part of politics. I remember watching -- we watched some of this happening during the administration of George W. Bush. Never back down, never back down, even if you're clearly wrong. I think they should take a page from the book of Steve Harvey, right? No matter how embarrassing it is, just own it, get past it, and move on.

CUOMO: I don't even know...

LOUIS: There's a certain amount of respect that goes on.

CUOMO: Barrage by the lefties about this. They make a fairly capable case. Here's their case. You are making it like -- not you, because you're very fair-minded. You're making it like there's only one video that she's referring to. Maggie, everybody knows. You're way off the board. I have a vulgar synonym for it.

And they say there are actually many videos. There's much propaganda. They do this all the time through the media. Why didn't they just say that right away? The video is somewhat of a metaphor for all the media they use instead of getting caught in this trap, because now this place hurts her credibility.

HABERMAN: Totally agree. And I think -- I think one thing that I think is a myth about Hillary Clinton that has existed for a long time is she's this polished politician. Everything she does is by design.

No, she actually make mistakes, not infrequently. And she, like a lot of politicians, does better the more she is out on the stump and the longer she is out on the stump. But she has a whole long runway that she needs before she takes off. And I think that -- I think she misspoke. And I think that they decided, not just, I think, this is cynical

(ph) of politics, we all know. But certainly, the Donald Trump rule of politics. Which is if you want to look strong, don't ever admit a mistake. And that is what we have seen Donald Trump do this entire time.

They have decided the only way that they are going to be able to take on Trump, and they have struggled with this for months and months, is to go right at him the same way. The problem is, that is not supposed to be her brand and who she's defined as.

CAMEROTA: And not only is that the irony. The irony is that when Trump said thousands and thousands of Muslims were celebrating...

CUOMO: And he thought. And he thought it on TV.

CAMEROTA: His supporters said, "I don't worry that much about the specifics, because I know the spirit of it is true."

CUOMO: If you add them all together, you'll get about thousands, they called it (ph).

CAMEROTA: It's true. I mean, that's what they felt. There were some. So I don't care if it's thousands and thousands. Maybe there were three or eight. But there were some. And that's the same thing that her supporters are now saying. Maybe there wasn't an actual video. But we know that what he's saying could encourage ISIS, so that's good enough. I mean, it's the same rules.

LOUIS: That's right, that's right, that's right. And the people -- the people who do this, I think, either intentionally or not, maybe they don't understand. The unintended consequence, perhaps, is that we end up degrading all political speech, so that people just assume all politicians lie or exaggerate or fabricate or distort. And that's just the way politics is supposed to be.

There need to be a lot more people, not just in the media, but a lot more people not just partisans saying no, no, no, no. If there are not thousands of people in a video, let's not assume that, you know, a couple that I heard about is the same thing.

CAMEROTA: Facts matter.

LOUIS: Facts matter. Accuracy matters, especially in the next commander in chief.

CUOMO: But emotion matters most.

LOUIS: Right now it does.

CUOMO: And they are angry. They do not trust you. They do not trust me. They do not like the other politicians. They feel that they have been sold a bill of goods for the last time. And this man, Donald Trump, is somehow delivered from above to them to tell the truth and get it done. [06:10:08] HABERMAN: It makes it a lot harder for Hillary

Clinton. The next time Donald Trump says something that she thinks is not true, it's going to make it a lot harder for her to go at him and say, "But that's not true, and people should listen."

CUOMO: And he is genius at finding the weak spot in any issue. Her credibility is the weak spot. And when they say anybody is trying to defend Hillary Clinton says when she said "they," she may not have meant ISIS. That smacks of what "is" is and everything else that's frustrating about the Clintons. I think that it's a problem.

CAMEROTA: Guys, stand by. We have a lot more to talk to you about.

CUOMO: We haven't cursed once.

CAMEROTA: Not yet. We have more political headlines ahead with Maggie and Errol.

First, a look at some more top stories for you.

CUOMO: We do have breaking news this morning out of Texas. A grand jury has not decided to indict anyone in the death of Sara Bland. There will be no indictment. Custody after three days, being pulled over in a traffic stop. Remember this? She got pulled over for a traffic stop, the incident now raising questions about excessive force and race. But no indictment. That's the headline.

We have CNN correspondent Boris Sanchez live now with the very latest. Controversial to say the least.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Certainly. This is not what her family wanted, Chris. The grand jury deciding not to indict anyone in connection with the death of Sandra Bland.

The 28-year-old African-American woman was found dead in her cell three days after she was arrested for allegedly failing to use her turn signal this past July in Waller County, Texas. The video of that traffic stop sparking outrage. Bland's death came during the midst of a series of questionable police actions against African-Americans. Her family questioned the jury's decision yesterday, calling the process secretive and demanding the testimony be released to the public.

Listen to what her sister had to say.

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COOPER: We feel that the grand jury process and the secretiveness of it is reflective of our experience with Waller County officials to date in terms of what has been furnished to us. The fact that five months after Sandy's passing, we don't have that report, that gives us cause for concern.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: Darrell Jordan, the special prosecutor in charge of the

case, held a press conference after the indictment, where he addressed the family's concerns. Here's what he said there.

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DARRELL JORDAN, SPECIAL PROSECUTOR: We have left no rock unturned. And the grand jury, anything THAT they've asked for, we've done our best to give it to them.

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SANCHEZ: Jordan also says that the case is still open, and the grand jury will reconvene in January to consider other indictments -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Boris, thanks so much for that update.

Well, the Baltimore police officer whose trial in the death of Freddie Gray ended in a hung jury goes before a judge today. William Porter is expected to be retried on June 13. Porter was the first of six officers to be tried in connection with Gray's death. He is accused of failing to buckle Gray into a police van, which may have led to the 25-year-old's deadly spinal injury.

CUOMO: We do have some breaking information on the war against ISIS. Iraq says its military right now is trying to retake the town of Ramadi from ISIS. Iraqi counterterrorism forces backed by coalition and Iraqi air power began the operation just this morning. Ramadi fell to ISIS back in May. It's a pivotal place not just for industrial reasons but strategic ones.

CAMEROTA: Also this morning, we're learning more about those six Americans who were killed in a Taliban attack near Kabul. We know that one of them, Joseph Lemm, was a New York City police officer and National Guardsman. We've also learned that two other U.S. service members and an American contractor were wounded. Officials say it's the deadliest insurgent assault on U.S. forces in three years.

Meanwhile, British forces are fighting to keep a key Afghan city from getting into the hands of the Taliban. British troops have been deployed to help local forces. But they are not in a combat role, only offering advisory support.

CUOMO: There's an assumption that the situation with Bowe Bergdahl is over. That's wrong. It's just the beginning. He is set for his arraignment at Fort Bragg today. He's facing a court-martial on charges of desertion, endangering fellow soldiers and for leaving his base in Afghanistan in 2009 without any instruction. Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban, held for five years until that controversial prisoner swap.

CAMEROTA: Stunning pictures as SpaceX makes history, blasting its Falcon 9 rocket into orbit and landing the rocket back on Earth. Spectators erupting in cheers as it touched down. This is the first time an unmanned rocket returned to land

vertically at Cape Canaveral. It's a huge win for billionaire Elon Musk, who wants to open up space travel to more people.

CUOMO: It is odd that we have left space to private industry. Isn't it weird? It kind of defined a generation and a half of American innovation and ingenuity, to reach above.

CAMEROTA: It did, but this might just work.

CUOMO: It is because, you know, Bringing it back down, they had not been able to figure out technologically, because of all the forces.

[06:15:02] CAMEROTA: That's the problem. You've got to land the thing.

CUOMO: But now that's it. We're looking at tomorrow.

CAMEROTA: The future is now.

CUOMO: Let me say something dirty about it. No, no, no, no. Wait. That's the presidential campaign. Trump versus Clinton. Dirty, ugly and somehow productive. Rubio versus Cruz emerging as a true battle inside the battle. What are the numbers that show the state of play and where does it go from here? We have a look with facts, next.

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CAMEROTA: Another Republican candidate out of the presidential race this morning. South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham has officially left the contest after polling in low single digits throughout his campaign.

CNN's Kate Bolduan spoke exclusively with Graham about his campaign.

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SEN. LINDSEY (R-SC), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, my campaign, I'm going to suspend my campaign. I'm not going to suspend my desire to help the country. I'll probably go back to Iraq and Afghanistan and get another update. Thirty-six trips has informed me.

But the one thing I feel really good about is that I did it with a smile on my face, and I talked about things that are important to me and somebody better fix one day.

Here's what I would advise the Republican Party to do in the future: never do this again. The bottom line is people are coming my way, in terms of more robust foreign policy.

BOLDUAN: You often talk about the men and women in the military that you meet in your travels, that you served with.

GRAHAM: Yes.

BOLDUAN: And you say you are there to fight for them.

[06:20:07] GRAHAM: I think Jeb and Marco get it. I think -- I think everybody loves the military. It's not that I care about them more than anybody else. I just think I understand their world, and they truly want to win.

There was a Lieutenant Commander Philip Murphy Sweet. He was an engineer in, really, one of the worst parts of Baghdad. He showed me around, and as I left, I said, man, you've done a hell of a job. And I took off, and I went one way in a helicopter, a few hours later he left and he was killed. And I remember when I went back home. And I called his wife, and I told her how sorry I was and how proud she should be.

She said, "Don't worry. I wanted him there."

And she wrote a letter that they read at the memorial service that just knocked everybody to their knees. They determined that I would meet him and he would get to tell me about what he was so proud of and the accomplishments he had made, and most of it's been lost. And it really pisses me off.

BOLDUAN: What are your parting words for Donald Trump?

GRAHAM: The Republican Party future may be in your hands, but the future of the country will be in your hands if you're president of the United States.

This is not a game show. This is not a reality show. The reason I know that is I've been over there enough to know what it costs to defend this nation. I think Donald Trump can beat Hillary Clinton? No. Without major adjustments. Re-evaluate. It's OK to adjust. You're good at business partnerships. In foreign policy partnerships, you're making it really difficult. Think about what you say.

CUOMO: Lindsey Graham, showing there as he exits, really the value that he was adding more and more to this campaign, despite his ratings.

Let's bring back Errol Louis, CNN political commentator and political anchor for Time Warner Cable News; and Maggie Haberman, CNN political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for "The New York Times."

He didn't have a realistic chance. He didn't have the infrastructure. He didn't have the money. He didn't have the poll ratings to sustain. They say suspend, but they mean it's over. But the strength of his voice, recently especially, the last debate or two, what do you think is lost with him gone?

HABERMAN: Well, I think that he was the most hawkish voice in this party. He's not only the most hawkish, but he was the person to, even with Jeb Bush in this race, who was most vociferously defending George Bush's legacy. Now people can support that legacy, do away with that legacy. But that's what Lindsey Graham represented.

He also represented sort of this anti-isolationist strain. He represented, especially at a moment where national security is taking over, he was the voice of "we need to basically maintain what we are doing, maintain the gains we have had. We need to not back down. We need to make sure that we are controlling and being much more aggressive about the Islamic State."

And he was much more about sort of a thoughtful argument, as opposed to Trumpism, for lack of a better way of putting it. Lindsey Graham, remember, was one of the earliest victims of Donald Trump. Donald Trump reading his cell-phone number aloud at that South Carolina rally.

And that became the moment, I think, when a lot of us realized this is a different race than what we thought we were seeing. We assumed this would blow up. We assumed Donald Trump would get criticized widely. He didn't. It was encouraging. Lindsey Graham found herself having to play that game, filming a video of him smashing his cell phone, as opposed to sort of the high-minded rhetoric we just heard him talking about, that he always has.

So I think that it is a loss, but I think it is more a reminder that it has not existed. That voice has not really existed in a long time. The policies are now getting focus, but that's because of global events, not because of the establishment roaring back.

CAMEROTA: Yes, I mean, Lindsey Graham's poll numbers never matched sort of the impact of his sound bites, you know, which he delivered with a punch. Let's look at the latest numbers out this morning. This is the Quinnipiac national poll. Let's look at where everybody is. Donald Trump still leading, Errol. He's at 28 percent.

Ted Cruz now, No. 2. He went from 16 to 24 percent.

Marco Rubio, No. 3. Ben Carson has fallen off since November. He's at 10 percent now. Christie, 6 percent, Jeb Bush still stuck at that 4 to 5 percent. What do you see, Errol?

LOUIS: Well, what I see is Cruz doing very well. It may, in fact, reflect what is said to be a pretty good ground organization that's out there. And we should keep in mind it doesn't just play itself out on election day.

But, you know, in the run-up to election day, if you're really doing your job, you're sort of building support. It may start to find its way into the polls. That was one number that jumped out at me.

Also, the Christie number, I mean, way back in the pack, went from 2 percent to 6 percent is sort of a lot more than what he started at. And if you look at the schedule, he's been ending up the year with another three-day swing through Iowa, where he's doing a whole bunch of meet-and-greets and a couple of town halls. He seems to think that he's got some room to grow and to make a good enough showing that that, plus a good showing in New Hampshire, will sort of launch the Christie campaign in a big way. I think that's what is worth noting in this poll.

[06:25:07] CUOMO: What do you want to do? Do you want to do the embarrassed thing or do you want to do the...?

CAMEROTA: The embarrassed thing.

CUOMO: All right, let's do the embarrassed. Would you be embarrassed if so-and-so were president? We have Hillary Clinton, and we have Donald Trump. You've got 50 percent embarrassed. OK. Then you get to Clinton, and that's -- that's not exactly a gift either. All right. So you get 35 percent embarrassed.

I'll tell you what, you know, very often I'm not impressed by questions in polls. I'll be, like, "Well, they've only asked that a thousand times." This gives you a little different flavor of how people feel about things.

HABERMAN: It's a bit of a leading question. So if the answer -- the question is, do you feel embarrassed, as opposed to would you be proud?

CUOMO: Right. Well, you could just have a really high not embarrassed as a result of the poll.

HABERMAN: You could, but polling is always about how the question is asked. But I do agree with you that I think that it reflects a general conversation that is being had among the general election voters about how they would feel about these two choices.

And so if you're Hillary Clinton and you're looking at that number, it's not ideal. It's also a third, a third, a third.

Donald Trump is half the country. And that's the problem. The problem for Donald Trump has always been the electability argument. And, you know, the issue with him is that it gets actually, harder to make the case against him as wartime goes on for a variety of reasons.

Look, we're at a moment where voters don't trust. And you look at this report. They are angry, and they don't trust their political leaders. They don't trust their candidates. There has been a psychic break since the fiscal crash of voters with the people who represent them. And they have gotten angrier and angrier. And you add on terrorism anxiety, and this is what you have.

CAMEROTA: This next question goes to that. They asked, "Who do you find honest and trustworthy, Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?" And here you see, in terms of Trump, honest and trustworthy, yes, 36 percent; no, 58 percent. Honest and trustworthy, yes, Clinton, 35 percent; 59 percent no. Numbers strikingly similar, Errol.

LOUIS: Identical, in fact, for all intents and purposes. And this -- this goes to -- it's very interesting, because with Trump, he's sort of a new phenomenon. Never been a candidate before. So we say, well, why is he doing so well? People say he's not the most honest and trustworthy. They actually also say that he's not the most experienced. They also say he doesn't have the right qualities to be the

president of the United States, and yet he's doing well in the polls.

Hillary Clinton, you know, she's a known quantity. She's been around for a couple of decades now. For her to be considered other than trustworthy is really kind of a different -- even though it's the same number, it's kind of a different interpretation, because we've seen a lot more of her. We've seen her try to do this job. We've seen her run for president before. And yet, still people think that they're not honest and trustworthy.

On the other hand, you know, politicians are never seen as all that honest and trustworthy. So it's not as if people are going to -- I hope going to boycott, simply because they don't trust the candidates. You know, we all have this tough choice to make about the best that's available to us. And this appears to be what we've got.

HABERMAN: Static choice is actually very important. I mean, you have to remember when you look at these polls right now. You're dealing with a field of at least 15 people on both sides. It will ultimately be one person versus one person. And that's where it comes down.

But there was one politician who was not viewed negatively in terms of honest and trustworthy numbers. And that was Barack Obama. In 2012, he had that number, and he won staggeringly over Mitt Romney with cares about people like me.

"Cares about people like you" is usually how it's asked. She needs her numbers to be better than they are. I assume she can get them there when it is a static race. That honest and trustworthy number, I do think, is a warning flag.

CAMEROTA: Maggie, Errol, thank you. Great to see you guys.

All right. There are new details emerging from that deadly driving rampage on the Vegas Strip. What we know now about the driver and her possible motivation for plowing down those pedestrians.

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