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Trump, Clinton Gearing up for First Primaries; Saudi Arabia Cuts Ties with Iran; Obama to Take Executive Action on Gun Control; No End in Sight to Armed Occupation in Oregon. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump, I don't believe, is going to be the party's nominee. If he is, he's going to get crushed by Hillary Clinton.

[05:58:44] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It hasn't been a very pretty picture for her or for Bill, because I'm the only one that's willing to talk about his problems.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we've got more important things to worry about in this country than Bill Clinton's sex life.

TRUMP: He's going to sign another executive order having to do with the Second Amendment.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Craziness. It's a piece of paper (ph), Barack Obama.

TRUMP: I will un-sign that so fast.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I get too many letters to sit around and do nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Saudi Arabia is severing ties with Iran.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The move follows a weekend attack on the Saudi embassy in Tehran.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sparked by Saudi Arabia's execution of a dissident Shi'a cleric.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is going to cause lives to be taken in the Middle East.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It is Monday, January 4, 6 a.m. in the East. And up first, my friends, the race is now real. Iowa will make

votes the standard for success in the GOP and Democratic races. Just 28 days from the caucuses. And you have your first primary in New Hampshire eight days after that. So you will see a new desperation in the campaigns. Candidates will be in a frenzy. There are two dozen events just today. There are new lines of attack, as well, and we have them.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: GOP frontrunner Donald Trump rang in the new year on the attack, lashing out again at the Clintons and going after rising Republican challenger Ted Cruz. We will talk to Trump about all of this, when he's live on NEW DAY at the top of the next hour.

But we begin our coverage with CNN's Athena Jones. She is live in New Hampshire. Tell us what's happened over the weekend, Athena.

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

Well, all of the drama and excitement of the last several months and the last several days, that was just the beginning. Today marks the final frenzied push before voters start actually going to the polls and casting actual votes. And as these candidates jockey for position, things are bound to get more heated.

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JONES (voice-over): Just four weeks from the first contest in the 2016 presidential election...

TRUMP: If we win Iowa, I think we're going to win everything after that.

JONES: ... GOP candidates scrambling to build momentum ahead of the high-stakes Iowa caucuses.

BUSH: Donald Trump, I don't believe is going to be the party's nominee. And if he is, he's going to get crushed by Hillary Clinton.

JONES: As Jeb Bush grapples with dwindling poll numbers. Trump leads the pack, accusing his biggest Iowa rival, Ted Cruz, of copying his immigration plan.

TRUMP: He said, "We will build a wall." The first time I've ever heard him say it. And I'm the one that came up with it.

JONES: Trump slamming Cruz on religion in the battle over evangelical voters.

TRUMP: Cuba, generally speaking, is a Catholic country. And you don't equate evangelicals with Cuba.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: She's the best qualified person.

JONES: And as President Clinton raised to hit the campaign trail, Trump taking digs at Secretary Clinton, dredging up her husband's past. Tweeting Saturday, "I hope Bill Clinton starts talking about women's issues so that voters can see what a hypocrite he is and how Hillary abused those women." And Sunday night tweeting, "The worst thing Hillary could do is have her husband campaign for her. Just watch."

After appearing in this terror propaganda video, Trump pointing the finger back at his Democratic rival in front of a crowd in Biloxi.

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama.

JONES: Shrugging off what critics say is his anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Meanwhile, the Carson campaign struggles to overcome a major shakeup, three top aides resigning in one day.

DR. BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So now we're in a different ball game, and we need the ability to execute.

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JONES: Now, given the calendar, this is not the time you want to be having to make big adjustments to your campaign. So we know a lot can happen in a month -- less than a month, actually -- and we'll be here to track every move -- Alisyn, Chris.

CAMEROTA: OK, Athena, thanks so much for all of that background.

Here this morning to discuss everything is our CNN political commentator, former Reagan White House director and Trump supporter, Geoffrey Lord; and CNN political commentator and anchor of Time Warner Cable News, Errol Louis. Errol spent time with voters in Iowa this weekend. Let's start there.

Errol, what are you hearing from voters? What's going to happen in Iowa? Is Trump going to win? Is Cruz going to win, what?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I'll say that everyone was modest and had no idea what was going to happen. There are still some people out there. We don't catch this, I guess, here in New York or Washington, but there are some Jeb Bush supporters out there. There are some folks who really like him.

I caught up with Mike Huckabee doing what he did before. He's made more visits to Iowa than any other candidate, Democrat or Republican. Meeting with small groups. This was at a Christian high school, sort of doing what he did before. And he reminded me he's the record holder. He's gotten more caucus goers out of Iowa than anybody in the history of...

CAMEROTA: And he pulled off a huge surprise there.

LOUIS: In 2008. Exactly right. And that seems to be what everybody -- you know, that's sort of the excitement that you feel out there. People are like, boy, this is going to be a surprise. We don't know exactly what it's going to be.

CUOMO: So Geoffrey, one of the things that distinguishes Iowa is that ground game is important, maybe not as in future primaries because of how the caucus system works. But one of the big knocks on your man, Mr. Trump, is that he hasn't put together the ground game that he'll need to match his message in these key states. Has any change been made here, or do you think it's not as relevant as we're told?

GEOFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, I do -- I do think it's relevant, and I do think they're -- they're at it. They've got Chuck Lauder in there, who produced the Santorum win in 2012, who really knows the state very well. He knows how to do this. So I think they're doing -- they're doing very well.

The one thing that I would caution, Chris, is no matter who wins Iowa -- John McCain, for example, came in fifth in 2000 and yet managed to become George W.'s main opponent, beating him in New Hampshire. So Ronald Reagan lost, et cetera. So whoever wins, there's still more primaries to come. So, you know, the buildup, no matter who wins, you've got to be careful with it.

CUOMO: Right, but Hillary came in third also in the Democratic one. So it doesn't mean that, you know, your fate is cast. And yet it is the first blush where you get the voters driving who we talk about and how.

LORD: Right. No question.

CUOMO: And that's going to be -- that's going to be the big question.

[06:05:10] LORD: It is the beginning. And I think the appearance today, this morning of a Donald Trump ad shows just how serious he is about this.

A lot of people -- I was not one, I should add -- a lot of people didn't take him seriously. I think they do now, and I think he's showing why.

CAMEROTA: We will get to that ad in a second, but first, you know, Donald Trump has been talking a lot about Bill Clinton. And he has been bringing up Bill Clinton's past. And he has been saying that Hillary Clinton better not talk about women's issues or he's just going to go -- you know, Katy bar the door against Bill Clinton.

He has said that Bill Clinton is a tremendous abuser of women. That's a quote from him that Clinton is a hypocrite. When you talk to voters out there, is that something that will resonate with them?

LOUIS: Absolutely not on the agenda, at least not yet. I mean, I think, though, what Trump is trying to do, which is smart from his point of view, is first of all, he pushes all of the other Republican rivals off the stage. And he says, "It's me versus Clinton, and that's what this race is about." That gives him quite an advantage. Secondly, you know, there is this Bill Cosby thing that's kind of

hanging out there. If you had asked somebody even just a year ago, will all of these accusations against Bill Cosby go anywhere? You'd say no. Bill Cosby, on the other hand, had to surrender his passport and is now being tried. I mean, so...

CAMEROTA: But what does that have to do with Bill Clinton?

LOUIS: Well, what it means is that there are accusations that go back decades about what Bill Clinton did. Some of them are quite lurid. Some of them seem spectacular. Some of them seem hard to believe: accusations of sexual assault and so forth.

The people are still out there, though. People have never given up those claims in some ways. If Donald Trump is saying, "I'm going to put my very large megaphone behind -- in front of some of those women and let them say what they have to say, including about Hillary Clinton's role," it will be, at a minimum, a distraction. But it could very likely change the course of that discussion.

CUOMO: Jeff, do you really want this to be a battle about the past? Do you believe that this is a good tact for Donald Trump to take to go after Bill Clinton's sex life? I mean, your friends at "The Wall Street Journal" put out a little taste of Donald's past this morning. We all seem to conveniently forget about how he struggled through years and years of debt problems down there in Atlantic City. Is this supposed to be about the past or the future?

LORD: Well, it should always be about the future. But, you know, Chris, I would remind you that we've spent this past year, you know, discussing or being presented, including on CNN, I might add, with discussions about what is loosely called the culture of rape; and the issue of rape itself has become a huge issue out there.

So she's the one who brought this -- you know, opened the door to this conversation.

CAMEROTA: How, Geoffrey?

LORD: As Errol -- as Errol says, there are people out there making this accusation. So...

CAMEROTA: But Geoffrey, you're talking about something different. There's obviously extramarital affairs.

LORD: What's different between Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton, Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: Well, Bill Cosby has the criminal case now. Bill Clinton has not been accused by 50 women, dozens and dozens of women.

CUOMO: Abusing drugs to, you know, have sex against their will. I mean, that's not the story of Bill Clinton. It's not a great story, but that's not the story.

LORD: Chris, he's been accused of rape. CUOMO: He has. But it was a very -- but it was a long time ago.

Nothing wound up coming of it.

LORD: It was a long time ago with Bill Cosby. I mean, you have to ask -- I've written about this.

CUOMO: It seems like a distraction, Geoffrey. It just does. It feels like you're running against Hillary Clinton. Does Donald Trump want his sex life examined with that kind of microscope? Does he want each of his marriages looked at? Does he want those women to all come out and talk about him?

LORD: If there's an allegation of rape, that's one thing. But Chris, you're right. I mean, this is about the future. This is absolutely about the future.

But one of the problems Republicans have had in the past is they tiptoe around, you know, all of their opposition and get slammed like Mitt Romney for Marco Rubio for murdering a steelworker's wife, because he didn't provide health care in some company he took over. I mean, these guys play hardball.

And I think what Donald Trump is saying here, "You want to play hardball, I will play hardball." And I think a lot of Republicans are cheering that on. And we can -- we can end this kind of thing and get to the future.

CAMEROTA: We do have the new Donald Trump ad that is just out. This is the first television ad. This is the first one that he's actually invested in.

So let's see the message that Donald Trump is putting out today for voters.

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TRUMP: I'm Donald Trump, and I approve this message.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The politicians can pretend it's something else. But Donald Trump calls it radical Islamic terrorism. That's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until we can figure out what's going on. He'll quickly cut the head off ISIS and take away their oil. And he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that Mexico will pay for.

TRUMP: We will make America great again.

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CAMEROTA: Errol, what do you think of the content and the tone?

LOUIS: Well, the tone is startling in some ways, and I think that's intentional. There are, of course, no details about cutting off the head or, you know, preventing Muslims and all of this sort of thing, certainly, not even a nod towards the constitutional issues that might be involved there.

So Donald Trump is, you know, sort of barreling straight ahead. This will work, I suppose, with his base; and it may get him quite a lot of attention and get him through the primary process.

[06:10:07] On the other hand, you start thinking about the general election, and you say to yourself, well, there goes the 40 percent of Latino voters that George Bush got in one election. He's clearly not interested in that. There goes those who don't like to hear Muslims being denigrated. Well, you know, he's kind of throwing that away, too.

So, you know, primary strategy, will it work? It will probably get him a lot of attention. General election strategy, remains to be seen.

CUOMO: Geoffrey, what do you think? Is this only a first phase of a strategy or do you think that he stays with this?

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LORD: ... Reagan commercial. This looks very Reagan-esque, same sort of thing: peace through strength.

CAMEROTA: All right. There you have it. Geoffrey, Errol, thanks so much this morning. Great to talk to you both.

CUOMO: All right. Now obviously, Donald Trump is in the news. He's at the top of the polls. He's driving the conversation, and he has just made a big mark about what the tone of this conversation might wind up being.

So we're going to talk to Donald Trump about his new ad, his new fates (ph), and his new attacks on the Clintons coming up in just a little bit -- Mick.

PEREIRA: All right. There's fallout over a prominent Shiite cleric's execution, leading to an unexpected split between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The Saudis cutting ties and kicking Iran's diplomats out, calling the storming of their embassy in Tehran the last straw.

Is there more at play here? We turn to CNN's chief international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson. He's following the latest developments for us. We understand there are some new breaking details for us. He's live in London -- Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes. Good morning, Michaela. Sure, there is a whole lot in play here. We've just heard from Bahrain that they are also cutting diplomatic ties with Iran. That's kind of no surprise, because Bahrain has really become a sort of a smaller cousin to Saudi Arabia recently, particularly since the Arab Spring.

But what has happened over the weekend, you have the two major powers in the Gulf region, Iran and Saudi Arabia, escalating tensions, already fighting a proxy war in Yemen. They're already fighting a proxy war in Syria. The United States, for one, was hoping that they could at least work out a peace deal that was -- was on the table and was being worked on in Yemen. That has fallen by the wayside. The cease-fire has collapsed over the weekend.

Syria, the same deal. Peace talks coming up. The chances of securing peace there now seem unlikely.

What has happened, the Saudis pulled out their diplomats from Tehran over the weekend after their embassy was torched. They blamed the Saudis, blamed provocation by the Iranian leadership, say that the Iranians are trying to escalate tension in the region. They've given Iranian diplomats inside Arabia 48 hours to get out of the country.

The Iranians, for their part, say that Saudi Arabia is escalating this because of domestic tensions inside Saudi Arabia.

And it all came about after Saudi Arabia executed an outspoken Shia cleric whose supporters say that he was calling for the peaceful overthrow of the Saudi royal family in Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis, however, say that he was fomenting terrorism within the country, and this is the reason why he was executed. It shows a tough new line by the relatively new king in Saudi Arabia, escalates tensions. Dangerous times, powerful countries in the Gulf -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Hey, Nic, thank you for that.

Well, President Obama announcing executive action that he will be taking on gun control this week. Will all the threats of legal action force him to change his plan?

Also, a reminder, Republican frontrunner Donald Trump joins us live on NEW DAY at the top of the 7 a.m. hour. Stick around.

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[06:17:04] CAMEROTA: President Obama begins his final year in office with new gun control measures. He will meet this afternoon with his attorney general and is expected to announce his executive actions by tomorrow. Republicans already slamming the president for, quote, "assaulting the Second Amendment."

Let's bring in CNN's Michelle Kosinski. She's live for us from the White House.

Good morning, Michelle. What's the plan?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. You know, more than a dozen times now President Obama has addressed the American public after mass shootings, slamming Congress for not tackling gun control, vowing to act alone on that issue. Well, now it appears this week that is what he's going to do.

Today he meets with his attorney general, and top of the agenda is expanding background checks, possibly to include many people who now are considered private sellers. You might also expand how the ATF tracks lost and stolen guns.

There could be other provisions, too.

But you know, the argument against tends to be, well, when you look at mass shootings, many of those guns were purchased legally with background checks. Republicans now calling the president's plan things like "unconstitutional" and "insane."

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BUSH: This top-down driven approach doesn't create freedom, doesn't create safety, doesn't create security.

CHRISTIE: Craziness. He knows that he can't get it through Congress. He's just going to try to do it by executive action as if he's King Barack Obama.

TRUMP: I will veto that. I will unsign that so fast. So fast.

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KOSINSKI: Well, the American public remains deeply divided on this issue. Just over half now oppose stricter gun laws. This week the president is doing a town hall on the issue with Anderson Cooper, this Thursday, 8 p.m. Eastern here on CNN -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Michelle.

Let's talk about what's on the table and what it will mean to the campaign. Let's bring in political commentator Van Jones and CNN political commentator, political anchor for Time Warner Cable News, Errol Louis.

Let's put up on the screen for everybody at home a little reminder of what President Obama says he's going to do by executive action. The gun show loophole. You hear about this all the time from gun rights advocates and gun control advocates alike. Basically, it says that when you go to one of these shows, people can sell guns there, and they don't have to go through the same background checks.

Then, the funding to enforce existing laws.

Van Jones, you are a supporter of these types of measures. You cannot argue that they would stop a San Bernardino. But why is this so important right now?

VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first of all, I'm just so proud. I'm so happy. I think a lot of Americans are just really relieved that the president is doing something.

We always focus on the big mass shootings. They'll certainly drive a big part of the conversation. But we have funerals in America every single day from gun violence.

We have too much street violence, too much terrorism, too many suicides, too many guns. In countries where they have tougher laws, where they have smarter laws, where they have better regulation have fewer funerals.

[06:20:06] So you've got a president who here in the last year is saying, "I can't do everything, but I can do something. Let me do what I can do."

And there's a circle of concern for his conscience. There's a circle of what the Constitution allows where there's an overlap. He can do executive orders. And that's what he's doing.

CUOMO: Now, the afterthought on this, Errol, is more money to enforce existing laws. You talk to anybody who's in the middle or to the right of this decision, they'll say, "Good, they should always be first. Enforce the laws that you have. You have so many laws already. You're not stopping what's happening in Chicago by closing the gun show loophole. You're not stopping what happens with suicide by doing that. You're not stopping San Bernardino by doing that. Why do this?"

LOUIS: Well, it's politics. I mean, I hear more money for existing laws and what I hear is, "I'm going to try and get some of the sheriffs, some of the police departments around the country to sort of sign on. I'm going to try and get some of the governors interested, because there might be some money in the budget for them to do certain things that will maybe nudge them in the right direction."

CUOMO: How do you stop -- look, San Bernardino, I'm going to be there. We're going to be covering it, no question. But it's less than 1 percent of gun crime.

LOUIS: That's right.

CUOMO: If you want to look at Chicago, they've become a metaphor. OK? Yes, you can slice numbers different ways. Chicago looks -- starts to look more like just another big city, not something so special.

But taken at its worst, why is that happening there? Guns that people buy illegally, not legally, that's what you need to address. Does this address any of that?

LOUIS: Hopefully. We'll know when we see all of it. But you know, when he talks about the gun show loophole, it's not simply the gun show itself, where people are sort of going out -- it's a big market. He's also talking about requiring federal licenses even for private transfers. So father wants to sell to, you know, brother-in- law.

CUOMO: Right.

LOUIS: You've got to sort of record that. You've got to sort of let the government know about it. It might even be taxed.

This has got the Second Amendment proponents all up in arms. But the reality is, until you start to get your hands around this, you're just flooded with these guns, which go into this gray market. And it's not, you know, sort of cut and dry. You buy it legally in North Carolina. You get on the highway. It's illegal by the end of the highway.

CUOMO: Everybody cries about that. My brother, the governor of New York state cries about that: "I have gun laws. The states around me don't. All the guns come in from other states." But this is a states' rights issue.

Van Jones, again, what do these actions stop? These crimes come from illegal guns. You are making it hard for you to sell me a gun. We're not the problem, at least not today.

JONES: Well, listen, first of all, we would love a more comprehensive solution. There's this weird thing that's going on where the Republicans say, "We're not going to let you have a comprehensive solution. We won't debate it. We won't discuss it. We won't bring up -- we won't bring up a bill. We won't pass the bill." Even though you have some Republicans that...

CUOMO: Why? Why, Van? They say why because you have so many background checks already. You make it so hard for a regular person already. Why make it harder?

JONES: Well, first of all, let's just be clear. The NRA has been captured by the gun manufacturers, the people who profiteer off of flooding America with guns. The NRA, which used to be for hunters and sportsmen, is now really being run and dominated by profiteers.

The NRA now has basically hijacked the Republican Party. You cannot do the kind of comprehensive response that you want.

So the president is saying, "Let me do what I can." And Republicans can't have it both ways. They can't say...

CUOMO: Who said no to this, Van? Here's what I don't get. I get the politics on both sides of this, Errol. Tell me what's wrong about this.

Who has proposed a law that says, "If you use a gun in the commission of a crime, you're going to jail for a minimum of 15 years. I don't care what the crime was. I'm going to fund it. We're going to give the money to the states, and that's what's going to happen"?

That would certainly go to the heart of what creates so many homicides with illegal handguns in this country. Has anybody proposed that? And have you ever heard the NRA or anybody else push back against that idea?

LOUIS: It's an interesting proposal. But the reality is, we've been cut off at the knees just as far as basic research to try and figure out what might or might not work. I mean, you know, Congress has specifically prevented the federal government from doing research to try and figure out what kind of strategies, whether it's sort of advanced technologies so that only a certain person can fire the gun or different kind of strategies to try to reduce gun violence. We don't know. And we specifically cannot know. That's got to be part of...

CUOMO: That's the law. Wouldn't it make sense, to make sure that you enforce it to its fullest? That's the part that doesn't make sense. We're not enforcing the laws we have now. But they want to put on more laws. That's what frustrates people.

LOUIS: I think the part of all of this I'm going to be looking for is whether or not the president gets us past this research road block that Congress has put in front of us so that we can't even figure out what does work and what doesn't work when it comes to enforcing the law.

CUOMO: One thing we know going into it, Van Jones, Errol Louis: if you get a gun illegally, you're probably not going to use it for legal purposes. That we know.

Van Jones, thank you very much.

Errol Louis, as always.

Special programming reminder. This is a big issue. It's goes to our culture. It goes to our Constitution. It goes to our Congress. So CNN is taking it seriously. Thursday, 8 p.m., President Obama joins Anderson Cooper for an exclusive live town-hall event on guns in America. The president will make his case. He will make it to people. It will be tested by CNN's best. And he's going to be taking your questions from a live audience. So please, get involved. And of course, once again, moderated by Anderson Cooper this Thursday at 8, only on CNN -- Mick.

[06:25:19] PEREIRA: Very concerning situation happening in Oregon. Anti-government protesters are taking over a building in a federal wildlife refuge there. How long is this occupation going to last? Will authorities wait it out or move in with force?

In about 30 minutes time, Donald Trump is going to join us live on NEW DAY. We'll ask him to weigh in on that Oregon standoff and, of course, the race for Iowa. That's happening at the top of the hour here on NEW DAY. stay with us.

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PEREIRA: Seemingly into end in sight to that occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon. The takeover is being led by the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy. Perhaps best know him for that armed standoff with federal agents back in 2014.

Schools have been shut down for the week in the remote area of eastern Oregon that is now thrust into the national spotlight. Sara Sidner is live in Burns, Oregon with the latest on this tense, tense situation -- Sara.

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we're about 30 miles from Burns. This is way out in the wilderness, really, on the refuge.

And basically, what this is all about is land rights, that this family has had run-ins with the federal government. They feel like the federal government has overstepped its bounds, and they've been in a long-standing fight with the government over land. They say that this land really should belong to the ranchers and the farmers, not the federal government itself. The federal government doesn't have the right to hold onto so much land.

Let me let you listen to Ammon Bundy, who has spoken several times, especially several times with the camera just right at him, from a friend who's taken some pictures of him.

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AMMON BUNDY, SON OF CLIVEN BUNDY: We had a county...