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Deadly Explosion Rocks Istanbul; Sanders: Clinton Campaign in 'Serious Trouble'; Trump Mocks Hillary Clinton on Late-Night TV; Obama to Give Final State of the Union Address; Vice President Sounds Off on Race for White House. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the polls, they are in a statistical tie.

[05:58:33] SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The inevitable candidate for the Democratic nomination may not be so inevitable today.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I win and she wins, it's going to be the largest voter turnout in the history of the country.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He was basically a Democrat before he was a Republican.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If Donald Trump gets the nomination and wins the election, he's going to regret having said the things he's said and done.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't think I have ever been more optimistic about a year ahead than I am right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president will deliver an unconventional speech tonight. Instead of a laundry list of priorities, President Obama will instead outline his vision for the country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alabama on top of the college football world.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. Chris and Michaela are in New York. I'm in Iowa this morning, where later I will be interviewing Hillary Clinton.

The Democratic frontrunner battling it out in the Hawkeye State with Bernie Sanders as the two are locked in a virtual tie here. Sanders claiming the Clinton campaign is, quote, "in serious trouble." He insists that the "inevitable" candidate is no longer inevitable. And she's stepping up attacks against him, because she realizes that she might lose. We, of course, will talk to her about all of that.

We have a very big show ahead for you. We're going to talk to Vice President Joe Biden and Republican presidential candidates Ben Carson and John Kasich about the 2016 race and President Obama's final State of the Union address tonight. So I will have more on all of that in a moment.

But first, we want to go back to New York and Chris, where we understand there is breaking news.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We'll be back with you in a second, Alisyn. We've got breaking news out of here, a potential terror attack. Ten killed, many more injured from a powerful explosion that just rocked a big tourist area in Turkey.

Let's get right to CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon. She's live on the phone from Istanbul with breaking details.

Arwa, what do we know?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Hi, Chris.

Well, we just arrived on scene. And this is the heart of Istanbul's tourist district where this explosion took place, now well cordoned-off by the security forces. A very heavy security presence here. At least ten dead. Another 15 wounded. Nationalities at this stage not being disclosed.

The explosion happening at around 10:15 in the morning, just when the area would begin to be busy, come to light with those who are coming here to see the sights but also trucks that regularly transit through this area.

We spoke to one of the vendors who's not far from where the explosion took place. He was still very visibly, understandably shaken, said that he felt the ground shaking around him, the explosion reverberating in his ears. And then it was complete chaos.

At this stage, authorities are saying that they have cleared out all of the wounded.

No claim of responsibility. A lot of suspicion, though, is coming around the fact that this may have been a terrorist attack, though no official confirmation of that just yet.

But if this was, in fact, a terrorist attack, it is a severe blow to this country that has been fighting terrorism on multiple fronts, that has seen, over the past six, seven months, terrorist attacks taking place that it has blamed on ISIS in those particular instances. Though ISIS not the only group that continues to threaten Turkey.

And the country has rounded up, over the last year, hundreds and hundreds of individuals suspected to have ties with terrorism. But this most certainly, again, if confirmed to be a terrorist attack, not only, of course, so devastating for those who lost their lives and their loved ones, the loved ones that are going to have to cope with the devastating consequences. But the implications for Turkey are going to be potentially very severe, as well, Chris.

CUOMO: Arwa, continue the reporting, please. We know you will.

But also be very careful there. You always know about the threat of secondary attacks after something like this, if it was related to terror.

We'll check back with Arwa throughout the morning. In October alone, Turkey has had 100 people killed in these kinds of attacks. The problems are very real. The question is, what are the solutions? That takes us back to Alisyn over there in Iowa, the key state.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely, Chris. So back to politics for a second here. Because in Iowa we are seeing candidates on both sides of the aisle sharpening their attacks now, just 20 days from the caucuses. The Democratic rivals squaring off last night at the Brown and Black Forum.

So let's begin our team coverage with CNN's senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar, who joins me here in Iowa.

Brianna, tell us about this forum last night.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: This forum last night was another opportunity, really, for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton although Martin O'Malley was there, to really show their differences. And this is really what we're seeing here in Iowa this week is the gloves are off.

Bernie Sanders is almost gleeful about the way the polls are shaping up. The Clinton campaign is saying, "Look, we always said this was going to be close here in Iowa, New Hampshire." I would add not this close. But the Clinton campaign seems very confident that they have the ground game, the organizers and the volunteers that they need to get people to the polls in New Hampshire and out to the caucuses here in Iowa.

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KEILAR (voice-over): In a heed-to-head Clinton/Sanders matchup over two battleground states, the latest polls say it's either candidate's race.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be our next president. Help us keep families together and project religious freedom.

KEILAR: Last night in Des Moines, the virtually tied Democrats were pressed on hot-button multicultural issues at Iowa's Brown and Black Forum.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you promise that you won't deport children?

KEILAR: Secretary Clinton taking a new stance against DHS raids, not ruling out the deportation of children.

CLINTON: What I don't like are the mass roundups and the raids. That should end.

KEILAR: The neck-and-neck candidates spent Monday facing off in the Hawkeye State.

CLINTON: Think hard about the people who are presenting themselves to you, and particularly for those of us who are Democrats, their electability.

KEILAR: Sanders unfazed by Clinton's jabs, pointing to recent Iowa and New Hampshire polls showing him outperforming Clinton against Trump and Cruz.

SANDERS: We are doing a lot better than Hillary Clinton does. So I think, in terms of electability in the general election, I think Democrats want to look at Bernie Sanders as their candidate.

[06:05:07] KEILAR: And boasting Monday night that the Clinton camp is running scared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you noticed lately that she's been getting more aggressive with you?

SANDERS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is that? Why is that?

SANDERS: I don't know. It could be that the...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You tell me.

SANDERS: It could be that the inevitable candidate for the Democratic nomination may not be so inevitable today.

KEILAR: Secretary Clinton admitting the 2016 elections so far has been chock full of surprises.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you say categorically tonight that Senator Bernie Sanders cannot win the presidency?

CLINTON: Anybody can win. I mean, this is a -- this is -- who would have thought Donald Trump would be leading in national polls? I mean, for those who ever thought about running for president, take heart. I mean...

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KEILAR: And Hillary Clinton trying to stand out on a couple issues here in Iowa, income inequality and guns. She unveiled a surcharge of the wealthy of 4 percent tax, additional tax on those earning $5 million or more.

And then she's picking up a key endorsement today, Chris, from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill. It's something that Hillary Clinton wants to highlight. She thinks his moderate stance on guns can really help her in these early states.

CUOMO: All right, Brianna, appreciate the reporting.

Republican frontrunner Donald Trump, speaking of him, he was revealing, an apparent strategy of a matchup with Hillary Clinton on late-night TV. The strategy would be attack, attack, attack, the Donald mocking Clinton for having a, quote, "tough time" running against Bernie Sanders and calls Bill Clinton a liability to her campaign.

CNN's Athena Jones live in Washington with more.

Athena, did I get it right?

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, good morning, Chris. One of the things Donald Trump has shown he's really good at is needling people, poking fun at candidates like Hillary Clinton, like Jeb Bush, sometimes in a way you might not expect.

Last night on "The Tonight Show" she was his main target. Take a listen to what he had to say.

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TRUMP: If I win and she wins, it's going to be the largest voter turnout in the history of the country. And that's a good thing, because people don't vote that much in this country. So that would be an amazing thing.

I'm beating her easily and substantially, and I'm winning against Hillary one-on-one. So you know, look, and I haven't even started on her yet, although last week I did a little bit of that.

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JONES: Now, on that first point he's probably right. A Trump/Clinton face-off would bring out a lot of voters, spark a lot of interest.

On the other hand, one recent poll shows Clinton ahead of Trump by eight points in Iowa in a hypothetical match-up and by a point in New Hampshire. So it's not clear that he would beat her easily, as he says.

And I should mention, Trump also said yesterday in New Hampshire that he would love to run against Bernie Sanders.

Now in other news, FOX has released the lineup for the main stage for their debate Thursday night. The seven candidates invited to participate in that primetime debate are Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and John Kasich. Not on that stage, Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina.

Paul told Wolf Blitzer on "THE SITUATION ROOM" last night that he will not attend that second-tier debate with Fiorina, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee. He said FOX made, quote, "a mistake" in not including him in that first tier, because he's a first-tier candidate -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Athena, let's head back to Alisyn in Iowa. That's really the hot bed. This is where it's all about to begin just a few weeks ago [SIC]. And you are talking to some players today, my friend.

CAMEROTA: It's more like a cold bed. It's actually zero degrees here as we wake up. But yes, I get your point. It is a hot bed of discussion. So let's bring back in CNN senior political correspondent. Brianna Keilar; as well as political columnist for "The Des Moines Register," Kathie Obradovich. Kathie also covered the Democratic Forum last night.

So let's start there, Kathie. Thanks so much for being with us on NEW DAY. It sounds like Hillary Clinton made a little bit of news last night. Did she change her position at this forum on immigration somehow?

KATHIE OBRADOVICH, POLITICAL COLUMNIST, "THE DES MOINES REGISTER": Well, I think that she tried to get a little bit more distance between herself and the Obama administration, who has been criticized for the deportation. She was asked, "Are you going to be the next deporter in chief?"

She worked to, for example, condemn mass raids from ISIS -- or from ICE. She didn't want -- she says she doesn't appreciate or approve of whisking people away in the middle of the night and nobody knows what happens to them.

However, she refused to go where Martin O'Malley went last night, which is to pledge not to deport children. She said that this is going to be something that she has to deal with on a case-by-case basis. She said the president does have leeway in enforcing the laws that are on the books. But she would not promise to say, you know, there's not going to be anybody who's totally safe from being deported.

[06:10:00] CAMEROTA: Yes, OK. So I mean, Hillary Clinton, Brianna, is obviously treading this line between the administration, what she supports about what they've done for the past seven years, what she doesn't as well as Bernie Sanders, how far to the left she's moved.

Is it a surprise -- and I know you've been talking to the Hillary Clinton campaign for months now. Are they surprised by the neck and neck polls? Let me put it up for people. That Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton here in Iowa are within the margin of error? It may not be a surprise that he's winning in New Hampshire but look at what's happening here. She's at 48 percent; he's at 45 percent. The margin of error is 4. Does this come as a surprise to them?

KEILAR: I think they're surprised that it's this close. Now, They will say that they're not surprised. They will say that they expected things to be very competitive.

But I do think this is a little close for comfort. What they're really looking at, though, are likely caucus goers and where they stand. They believe that they are going to have better luck with the people who are really organized to get out.

The caucuses here in Iowa, it's not as simple as showing up and casting a ballot. It takes a lot of effort. And people who support Hillary Clinton -- this is their thinking -- are more steeped in sort of what this process is, and they're more prepared to kind of go the distance for her than perhaps Bernie Sanders supporters are.

Now we're going to see, though, because there's an enthusiasm gap. We're going to see if that really does translate on caucus day.

CAMEROTA: Kathie, what about that? Is their logic right? You live in Iowa. Is it right that she has a better ground game, and they'll be able to turn out people to the caucuses better than Sanders?

OBRADOVICH: So it's not just about turning people out. It's about turning people out statewide. It's not enough to, for example, if Bernie Sanders really kills it in college towns and goes way over the top, because there's only a certain number of delegates that get apportioned in every precinct. You have to have support in all the precincts around the state.

I think the question is whether Hillary Clinton has a better organization statewide than Bernie Sanders does. I think Bernie Sanders will get supporters out. I think his people are enthusiastic. But I think the question is, are they everywhere in the state where they need to be?

KEILAR: Is the enthusiasm widespread? There certainly is an enthusiasm gap but certainly as Kathie says, it may be more an issue of in these -- in cities and college towns where Bernie Sanders is really exciting young people.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about the GOP, because the next line-up for the next FOX debate was announced. And Rand Paul doesn't make the cut for the main stage. So he has said that he's going to boycott it. So if he's not going to participate any more in this debate, or in future debates, if he's not on the main stage, what does this mean for his campaign?

KEILAR: I think, actually, a lot of people who have already sort of counted Rand Paul out. I will say that what does it mean? It means he doesn't have this forum. But it also means that perhaps he's made the calculus that, by boycotting it, perhaps that sort of gives him a little bit of a stage or some intrigue that being on the kiddie stage, which at this point in time you sort of feel bad about, I think, if you're a candidate. That maybe this is really the way that he should go.

But at this point I would say there are a lot of people looking at Rand Paul who thought he might be doing better than he is -- is now.

CAMEROTA: Kathie, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, they keep sort of hopscotching over one another here in Iowa. What are Iowans saying? What do you think is going to happen on the Republican side here?

OBRADOVICH: Anything can happen on the Republican side. I think it's interesting that it's really gotten down to talking about a two- man race: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, they're neck and neck. Some polls have one up. Some polls have the other up. "The Des Moines Register's" Iowa poll will be coming out tomorrow, so we consider that the gold standard. We'll see -- we'll see what that poll says.

But what's interesting is that these guys are not attacking each other at nearly the same level. You talked about Donald Trump going after Hillary Clinton. You know, it's interesting that he's -- other than talking a little bit about his Canadian birth certificate -- not really seriously going after Ted Cruz. And Ted Cruz has not been attacking Donald Trump at all.

Why? Because he wants Ted Cruz's supporters -- or Ted Cruz wants Donald Trump's supporters, I mean. And so he has been very, very circumspect about not trying to draw fire from Donald Trump. That's an interesting dynamic. And we'll see if that continues here for the final three weeks before caucuses.

CAMEROTA: There are a lot of interesting dynamics going on in this race. Kathie, Brianna, thanks so much for talking about it with us this morning.

One quick programming note: later, in a couple of hours, I sit down with Hillary Clinton for a wide-ranging interview. And you can catch our interview on "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" tonight. That's at 7 Eastern. Also, of course, tomorrow morning right here on NEW DAY.

OK. Let's go back to Michaela and Chris in New York.

PEREIRA: All right. We're very much looking forward to that, Alisyn. Thank you so much.

Here's a look at some of your headlines this morning.

President Obama is preparing to deliver his final State of the Union address tonight. The White House is promising this one will be different. No long list of requests for Congress, rather a plea to cut through the bickering in Washington and tempering some of the anger among voters.

[06:15:07] White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski live with a preview now of that big speech. Quite a different tone.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Michaela. Right. And on this, the president's last State of the Union address, on one night of the year where he gets his biggest audience, obviously, the White House wants it to be memorable.

Although some senior administration officials are telling us that they wouldn't necessarily use the word "nontraditional" that we've heard circulating out there. It is, after all, going to be a speech, not some outlandish format or anything like that, although, hey, that might be fun. But already, we've seen them use some different things. Surrounding the speech, they're enlisting entities like Amazon, Google, YouTube, Genius and Snapchat, and they even tweeted out this preview.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want us to be able, when we walk out this door, to say we couldn't think of anything else that we didn't try to do; that we didn't shy away from a challenge because it was hard; that we weren't timid or got tired.

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KOSINSKI: Other way this will be different: The speech will not be longer than usual, but it will be shorter. And the president doesn't want to use pages and pages of the speech focusing on his past accomplishments. He wants to look into the future, focus on the big things, as he put it, affecting the American people.

And as for tone, the White House says expect passionate and extremely optimistic, telling Americans not to let cynicism affect the way they approach problems. And remember: that is one way that the White House likes to set up a contrast between the president and how they view the Republican presidential candidates -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: It will be very interesting, Michelle, to see exactly what he says. We'll tell people that the final State of the Union address tonight for President Obama is at 9 Eastern. CNN's coverage, though, begins at 7 p.m.

CUOMO: ISIS claiming responsibility for coordinated suicide attacks in Iraq Monday. Thirty-three people killed. Two different attacks: one was at a mall in Baghdad. There, armed men stormed this building there, detonating suicide vests and a car bomb killing eight, injuring more than 20. Twenty-five people were killed in the other attack at a cafe northeast of there, about 25 miles.

PEREIRA: The jailed mother of the so-called "affluenza teen," Ethan Couch, will be released today after posting bail. Tonya Couch's bond was lowered from $1 million to 75,000. She is required to meet some conditions, including 24-hour home confinement wearing an ankle monitor and no use of drugs or alcohol. She also has been ordered to undergo a mental assessment to determine if she is competent to stand trial for helping her son to escape to Mexico.

CUOMO: All right. So we've been waiting to hear from Vice President Joe Biden and more of a full-throated expression of where he is and what he thinks about the election. And now we have it. A very insightful one-on-one with the vice president with Gloria Borger. Some surprising comments about why he thinks Bernie Sanders is resonating with voters. He says Hillary Clinton was never a prohibitive favorite. Whom does he prefer? You don't want to miss this exclusive sit-down, next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[06:21:30] PEREIRA: Now, a CNN exclusive. Vice President Joe Biden on the record and in depth about the 2016 race. The vice president had some surprising takes on Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and even his own decision not to run.

CNN's chief political analyst, Gloria Borger, has the interview, starting with the surprise Republican frontrunner.

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GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Donald Trump right now is the Republican frontrunner, no doubt about it. Let me ask you, is he qualified to be president of the United States and a leader on the world stage?

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Anyone in the America public says they want to be president is qualified to be president. I know that sounds like I'm avoiding the question, and that's not my style.

BORGER: You are. You are.

BIDEN: No, no. I want to make that clear at the front end. I think, though, he's an incredibly divisive figure. The country has never done well when the leader of a country appeals to people's fears, as opposed to their hopes.

That's what worries me about Donald Trump. If Donald Trump gets the nomination and wins the election, if he's as smart as I think, he's going to have to regret having said the things he's said and done. The whole idea, as we were talking before about how to pull the country together, for God's sake, pull the politics together down here. How does Donald Trump do that?

BORGER: You deal an awful lot with foreign leaders. How would you see Trump on the world stage?

BIDEN: I would -- I would hope he'd have an extremely qualified staff.

BORGER: You're saying he's not substantive?

BIDEN: No. He's not so far. Now, that doesn't mean he can't be. But he has no background in foreign policy. I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's keeping it all a secret. But he hasn't spoken to any of the substance so far, none of the substance.

So I think he would be -- most world leaders would hope that he had a couple crash graduate courses before he started to try to exercise the role of president.

BORGER: Now we see that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are actually running neck and neck in Iowa, and in New Hampshire. Why do you think Hillary Clinton is struggling? BIDEN: Well, first of all, I -- I've been of the view, AND I

don't know that you and I talked about it. I don't want to say that for certain, but we may have. I thought for the last six months they were neck and neck.

BORGER: But why is she having trouble?

BIDEN: Well, I think that -- that Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real. And he has credibility on it. And that is the absolute enormous concentration of wealth in a small group of people, with the middle class now being able to be shown being left out.

There used to be a basic bargain. If you contributed to the profitability of enterprise, you got to share in the profit. That's been broken. Productivity is up. Wages are stagnating.

BORGER: But Hillary is talking about that, as well.

BIDEN: Well, it's -- but it's relatively new for Hillary to talk about that. Hillary's focus has been on other things up to now. And that's been Bernie's -- no one questions Bernie's authenticity on those issues.

BORGER: And they question her?

BIDEN: Well, I think they question everybody who hasn't been talking about it all along. But I think she's come forward with some really -- really thoughtful approaches to deal with the issue.

But I just think -- and look, you know, everybody, you know, it's the old thing. No one -- everybody wants to be the favorite. No one wants to be the prohibitive favorite. And so it's an awful high bar for her to meet, that she was the absolute prohibitive favorite.

[06:25:12] I never thought she was a prohibitive favorite. I don't think she ever thought she was a prohibitive favorite. So I think -- I think it's, you know, everything is sort of coming down to earth. It's settling in. But it's not over.

BORGER: So if Hillary Clinton should lose Iowa and New Hampshire, is there any way that you would possibly take another look at this race?

BIDEN: No. Look, I...

BORGER: The door's shut?

BIDEN: First of all, even if Hillary loses both, I haven't thought this through, it's a long way to go in the nomination. And, you know, so it's one thing, theoretically, to win both of those. She'd be going to South Carolina. It's going to be pretty rough sledding down there for Bernie and for -- and another guy who's in it, O'Malley. He's a qualified guy. This guy is a serious governor.

BORGER: So you're -- you're closing the door? BIDEN: No, I don't think -- I don't think there's any door to

open.

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CUOMO: There's a lot more from this interview with Gloria Borger. But already some interesting points. Joe Biden saying this country only does well when the leader about sweet strength, not harshness. And yet, look at the election we have before us right now.

Let's get a take from CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar and political columnist for "The Des Moines Register," Kathie Obradovich.

Kathie, let's take a look at what's happening in your state that you cover. It is all about attack. It is all about harshness. That is what is driving the race. So is Joe Biden off or are we in different times?

OBRADOVICH: No. I mean, so Joe Biden, I think did Bernie Sanders a bit of a favor on the Democrat side by characterizing this race in the way Bernie Sanders would like. In that he has such a long history talking about issues of income inequality and that Hillary Clinton is sort of a "come lately person" on that topic.

Certainly, Hillary Clinton has been talking about aspects of income inequality, including health care for many, many years. And if Joe Biden had wanted to say that she had been focused on other things, including being secretary of state and having foreign policy experience, he could have done that.

Does it make a big difference in Iowa? Joe Biden is well liked. His people, I think, if he -- if he had run, he would have taken people from both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But this was short of any kind of endorsement for anybody.

CUOMO: Oh, sure. I also wouldn't confuse tactic with take. Brianna, this is who Joe Biden is, the vice president. He owns income equality as much as any issue in the portfolio. What did you see in that?

KEILAR: Well, I thought -- Joe Biden, not talking politics, just sort of his style, he's a bit of a reporter's dream. You don't have to surmise what he thinks. There's no reading into it. He's out there with it. He tells you.

So I think this was Joe Biden really speaking his mind. And I think part of this is that we've seen him talk about regretting not getting into this race. He sees how close things are. I think what was an excruciating process for him to get to know, I think now he does have regrets, and we're seeing that.

But just like Kathie said, this is something that works to Bernie Sanders' favor. I actually e-mailed a Bernie Sanders aide last night and said, "Hey, what about gun position? I know this is, you know, something of Bernie Sanders that the Hillary Clinton campaign is concerned about trying to highlight. He said, I think you might want to talk to the vice president's office. So you can see sort of a zinger there.

CUOMO: Brianna, Kathie, thank you very much. As I said, there is a lot more worth listening to in Gloria Borger's exclusive interview with the vice president. We're going to give that to you later in the show, including one reminiscent that he has, a story about what President Obama told him, what he offered him during his son Beau's illness. You're not going to want to miss it.

PEREIRA: All right. We have new details about the capture of the Mexican drug lord El Chapo. Did Sean Penn's interview with the fugitive actually help authorities apprehend him? There are new clues as video emerges of that raid of his capture.

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